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gosox41
08-21-2003, 01:14 AM
For the next 4 days I am going to be a Kansas City Royal fan (obviously it goes with out saying I'm rooting for the White Sox too.) I hope KC sweeps Minnesota. As much as KC is for real, Minnesota scares me more, especially with their easy schedule. So I'm hoping KC gets their ship righted for the next 4 games and wallops Minny.

Bob

voodoochile
08-21-2003, 01:17 AM
I just hope they split while the Sox keep winning...

oheeoh...magglio
08-21-2003, 01:23 AM
i'm not as worried about kc/minny as much as i am about the sox continuing to win. Although i would tend to agree that i hope kc at least splits with minny simply for the fact that the royals have been showing SOME signs of fading as of late, while the twins have been coming on strong.

hose
08-21-2003, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by gosox41
For the next 4 days I am going to be a Kansas City Royal fan (obviously it goes with out saying I'm rooting for the White Sox too.) I hope KC sweeps Minnesota. As much as KC is for real, Minnesota scares me more, especially with their easy schedule. So I'm hoping KC gets their ship righted for the next 4 games and wallops Minny.

Bob


What I don't understand is how KC is staying in games with the pitching they are throwing out there.

akingamongstmen
08-21-2003, 09:48 AM
I don't think that the Twins are as dangerous as people think they are. I say this because A) They have TERRIBLE starting pitching, and B) They don't have any truly imposing presence in their lineup. Of course, the same could be said about the Royals...but we all know that they sold their collective soul to Satan long ago.

soxtalker
08-21-2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by akingamongstmen
I don't think that the Twins are as dangerous as people think they are. I say this because A) They have TERRIBLE starting pitching, and B) They don't have any truly imposing presence in their lineup. Of course, the same could be said about the Royals...but we all know that they sold their collective soul to Satan long ago.

I think that we can safely say that all three teams are flawed. That's why the winner of this division is likely to have a much poorer record than the wild-card team. Now, those 11 games that the Sox have remaining with NY and Boston could be a blessing in disguise. It gives us a chance to move up in the overall league standings and give us the confidence we need in the playoffs. Conversely, if we do poorly, it may cost us the division.

34 Inch Stick
08-21-2003, 11:30 AM
Carlos Beltran and Mike Sweeney are not imposing? That Royals lineup is preety good. Berroa is just a notch below the elite American League shortstops. Ibanez seems to get clutch hits every night. They also have the dracula mentality of never dying (as evidenced by the brown spot in the Yankees pants yesterday). The pitching is bad though and I think their relief pitching is going to kill them down the stretch.

I am hoping for a split or the Royals taking 3 of 4.

sox_fan_forever
08-21-2003, 11:41 AM
Put me in the group rooting for a split. Meanwhile the Sox better win 3 of 4 at the very least.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-21-2003, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by soxtalker
I think that we can safely say that all three teams are flawed. That's why the winner of this division is likely to have a much poorer record than the wild-card team. Now, those 11 games that the Sox have remaining with NY and Boston could be a blessing in disguise. It gives us a chance to move up in the overall league standings and give us the confidence we need in the playoffs. Conversely, if we do poorly, it may cost us the division.

I agree that KC and Minnesota have obvious flaws. However your statement above has me curious to know what flaw the White Sox have?

The question is opened to all. This ought to be good. :smile:

fquaye149
08-21-2003, 12:43 PM
^keeping it up(the intensity)...you would think that viagra sign would remind them...

but yeah, they need to work at coming out to play EVERY game...

and...bullpen

SoxFanDan
08-21-2003, 12:50 PM
I dont know what to cheer for in this series. I dont think the sox will be in first afte this series, its tough with two teams playing each other.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-21-2003, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by fquaye149
^keeping it up(the intensity)...you would think that viagra sign would remind them...

but yeah, they need to work at coming out to play EVERY game...

and...bullpen

Whose fault is this? Shouldn't the Sox ballplayers be "up" for every game? They are paid to play every game, aren't they? Are they simply less professional about their work than the Kansas City and Minnesota ballplayers? Or are the Sox simply overrated, merely playing to the meager full-potential their meager talent is capable of delivering?

Lots of questions. Please clarify. :smile:

gosox41
08-21-2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by akingamongstmen
I don't think that the Twins are as dangerous as people think they are. I say this because A) They have TERRIBLE starting pitching, and B) They don't have any truly imposing presence in their lineup. Of course, the same could be said about the Royals...but we all know that they sold their collective soul to Satan long ago.

But they have such an easy schedule the rest of the way.

Bob

cheeses_h_rice
08-21-2003, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
I agree that KC and Minnesota have obvious flaws. However your statement above has me curious to know what flaw the White Sox have?

The question is opened to all. This ought to be good. :smile:

1. No reliable 5th starter.
2. Lack of production in the bottom of the lineup.
3. Bullpen doesn't have many options outside of Gordon, Marte and Wunsch.

soxtalker
08-21-2003, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
I agree that KC and Minnesota have obvious flaws. However your statement above has me curious to know what flaw the White Sox have?

The question is opened to all. This ought to be good. :smile:
Relief pitching is the first thing that comes to mind. Don't get me wrong -- Gordon, Marte, and Wunsch, in particular, can be great at times, but they get tired, and there are holes -- particularly on the right-hand side. Our starting pitching is a strength, and that has allowed us avoid using the relief pitching as much as other teams must. But there's that 5th starter issue. And Colon and Garland haven't been terribly consistent lately. So, there could be more need for a deep bullpen down the road.

Our offense is very good, but, as many fans have discussed, we depend a bit too much on the home run for offense. The addition of R. Alomar has provided an opportunity for some small ball, but we still aren't a team that is great on manufacturing runs. This worries me as we start going up against better and better pitching.

I still wouldn't call us a great defensive team. Yes, things are much better since Alomar replaced Jimenez.

That's good for a start.

MRKARNO
08-21-2003, 03:54 PM
We could gain 2 games on both teams if they split with eachother and we sweep the rangers. If we could get that much ahead of both teams it would be great. dont say it cant be done because I bethcha most people here didnt think we'd sweep Anaheim while the royals would get swept in the bronx

FarmerAndy
08-21-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
I agree that KC and Minnesota have obvious flaws. However your statement above has me curious to know what flaw the White Sox have?

The question is opened to all. This ought to be good. :smile:

Well, how about looking at the managers. We are without a doubt the weakest team in that department.

Dadawg_77
08-21-2003, 04:19 PM
Sox biggest weakness is inconstant offense.

kempsted
08-21-2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
1. No reliable 5th starter.
2. Lack of production in the bottom of the lineup.
3. Bullpen doesn't have many options outside of Gordon, Marte and Wunsch.
1. Everyone has this problem. Especially KC and Minnesota.
2. Well Crede was on a 10 game hitting streak and was hitting 400 something of late, Alomar and Olivo are also hitting of late, but you are basically right.
3. Wright may be an option here and Schoenweis has only had a couple of bad outings so it is too early to tell.

MRKARNO
08-21-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
1. No reliable 5th starter.
2. Lack of production in the bottom of the lineup.
3. Bullpen doesn't have many options outside of Gordon, Marte and Wunsch.

1. Cotts might be the answer. If he pitches like he did in texas consistantly than he is better than most 5th starters.

2. Olivo had a good game last night and maybe he can build on it and average a hit a night and spark some rallies. Crede's been hot, but hurt and his replacement Graffanino has been very clutch this year.

3. Cant argue here unless Danny Wright can show that he can relieve well and Koch comes back healthy. It's not like Boston, New York and Kansas City dont all have bullpen problems (the one in New york is getting bad enough that it may prevent them from advancing in the playoffs). Boston cant rely on anyone, Kansas City has a closer problem and in New York, no one can bridge the gap to Mariano Rivera and Jeff Nelson and when they can, Mariano Rivera often times blows it.
Seattle's rotation has been shaky and Oakland's offense hasn't been enough some times.
Every contending team in the AL has some big problem. For the sox it has been the bullpen and the offense not showing up some days.