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DrCrawdad
08-17-2003, 09:29 PM
http://www.mtv.com/onair/osbournes/flipbooks/season_2_family/images/ozzy_sharon_1.jpg

Today Sharon & Ozzy Osbourne “sang” Take Me Out To The Ballgame. Their “singing” was horrible. Ozzy mumbled unintelligibly. It was a complete mockery.

That the family WGN allowed the Osbourne’s in the booth and to sing was a sheer publicity event for Sharon Osbourne’s upcoming WGN TV talk show.

If the Sox did something like this what do you think Cubbie fans would be saying?

Santo, who complains about the music at The Cell and many other things, what would he say if this took place at The Cell?

Then there is our dear old White Sox antagonist, Les Grobstein. Les, where are you? What did you think of this blatant commercial at The Shrine? They don’t put ads on the walls of The Shrine, no they put them in the booth and give them a microphone.

I love it when Cubbie fans say that they love the Cubbies because The Shrine is pure, unaffected baseball. As today showed, that is complete hogwash.

duke of dorwood
08-17-2003, 09:33 PM
I never go there, but I bet every announcement is sponsored too. It's the biggest dog & pony show I know

FJA
08-17-2003, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
http://www.mtv.com/onair/osbournes/flipbooks/season_2_family/images/ozzy_sharon_1.jpg

Today Sharon & Ozzy Osbourne “sang” Take Me Out To The Ballgame. Their “singing” was horrible. Ozzy mumbled unintelligibly. It was a complete mockery.

That the family WGN allowed the Osbourne’s in the booth and to sing was a sheer publicity event for Sharon Osbourne’s upcoming WGN TV talk show.

If the Sox did something like this what do you think Cubbie fans would be saying?

Santo, who complains about the music at The Cell and many other things, what would he say if this took place at The Cell?

Then there is our dear old White Sox antagonist, Les Grobstein. Les, where are you? What did you think of this blatant commercial at The Shrine? They don’t put ads on the walls of The Shrine, no they put them in the booth and give them a microphone.

I love it when Cubbie fans say that they love the Cubbies because The Shrine is pure, unaffected baseball. As today showed, that is complete hogwash.

I watched this and Steve Stone said--I kid you not--"The most important question I have is for Sharon, and what I want to know is when does your show start, and what is the format?"

Ugh ... and big surprise ... it starts on WGN very soon.

Grobber33
08-17-2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
http://www.mtv.com/onair/osbournes/flipbooks/season_2_family/images/ozzy_sharon_1.jpg

Today Sharon & Ozzy Osbourne “sang” Take Me Out To The Ballgame. Their “singing” was horrible. Ozzy mumbled unintelligibly. It was a complete mockery.

That the family WGN allowed the Osbourne’s in the booth and to sing was a sheer publicity event for Sharon Osbourne’s upcoming WGN TV talk show.

If the Sox did something like this what do you think Cubbie fans would be saying?

Santo, who complains about the music at The Cell and many other things, what would he say if this took place at The Cell?

Then there is our dear old White Sox antagonist, Les Grobstein. Les, where are you? What did you think of this blatant commercial at (Wrigley Field-you listen to Dave Wills a bit too much--altho I am glad you do)? They don’t put ads on the walls of The Shrine, no they put them in the booth and give them a microphone.

I love it when Cubbie fans say that they love the Cubbies because The Shrine is pure, unaffected baseball. As today showed, that is complete hogwash.


I was about 2 feet away from Ozzie.Scarry looking fellow to be sure,but I'm glad his Wife has recovered from Cancer. I have NEVER been a Fan of the Guest Conductor thing since 1998.They should have put it to rest in 1999. There is no question that putting on WB and other stuff like that is self serving.It doess nothing for me. I dont need you Doc,or anyone else to help me rip on stuff I think is bogus(at either park). I am glad tho that Wrigley does'nt have Viagra Billboards.

TornLabrum
08-17-2003, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Grobber33
I was about 2 feet away from Ozzie.Scarry looking fellow to be sure,but I'm glad his Wife has recovered from Cancer. I have NEVER been a Fan of the Guest Conductor thing since 1998.They should have put it to rest in 1999. There is no question that putting on WB and other stuff like that is self serving.It doess nothing for me. I dont need you Doc,or anyone else to help me rip on stuff I think is bogus(at either park). I am glad tho that Wrigley does'nt have Viagra Billboards.

I haven't been to the shrine in a couple of years, but I'm willing to bet they have a pre-game announcement regarding Viagra along with something on the matrix board below the scoreboard. If not there, I'm willing to bet there is a prominent ad in the concourse area. After all, Viagra is an official sponsor of MLB.

The Cubs are also so pure that they allow the chromakey screen to be placed behind home plate during Fox and ESPN games, so their electronic billboards can be scene on their broadcasts.

Daver
08-17-2003, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Grobber33
I was about 2 feet away from Ozzie.Scarry looking fellow to be sure,but I'm glad his Wife has recovered from Cancer. I have NEVER been a Fan of the Guest Conductor thing since 1998.They should have put it to rest in 1999. There is no question that putting on WB and other stuff like that is self serving.It doess nothing for me. I dont need you Doc,or anyone else to help me rip on stuff I think is bogus(at either park). I am glad tho that Wrigley does'nt have Viagra Billboards.

OK Les,your reaching now,we both know why Wrigley Field does not have advertising in the park,it is because they have no where to put it.Do you really think it is because the Tribune Co. is above such things?

DrCrawdad
08-17-2003, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Grobber33
...I have NEVER been a Fan of the Guest Conductor thing since 1998.They should have put it to rest in 1999. There is no question that putting on WB and other stuff like that is self serving. It does nothing for me. I don't need you Doc, or anyone else to help me rip on stuff I think is bogus (at either park). I am glad tho that Wrigley doesn't have Viagra Billboards.

I don't need you either to help me rip on stuff that is bogus at either field. But that doesn't stop you Les. If that crap happened at the Cell you'd be going off on it for 20 years.

I can see why the Viagra ads bother you, because it doesn't take much to get a rise outta you.

Fridaythe13thJason
08-17-2003, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by daver
OK Les,your reaching now,we both know why Wrigley Field does not have advertising in the park,it is because they have no where to put it.Do you really think it is because the Tribune Co. is above such things?

There are Sears Ads in the upper deck.

DrCrawdad
08-17-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by daver
OK Les,your reaching now,we both know why Wrigley Field does not have advertising in the park,it is because they have no where to put it.Do you really think it is because the Tribune Co. is above such things?
For the record, The Shrine does have ads on the field, right next to the dugouts.

The Cubbies are a sham. If Wrigley is a shrine, it’s a shrine dedicated to making money just like every other professional ballpark.

Cubbie fans said for years how they loved the Cubbies because they played baseball under the sun. Then they installed lights. Now the Cubbie fans say that they don't play as many night games (not by Cubune choice though).

For a reach further back in the vault, Cubbie fans used to say that they were better than pedestrian AL fans because the NL didn't serve booze. Of course, they’ve served booze there as soon as they figured out how much money it would mean for them.

Cubbie fans tell us how they hate ads in ballparks. Even though ads have been in ballparks for generations. Cubbie fans say that The Shrine is undefiled because it had no ads. Well now The Shrine does have ads. In backpedaling that could win an Olympic Gold Medal, Cubbie fans tell us that it's still a shrine because there aren't as many ads as other ballparks (like The Cell).

Les, you and other Cubbie fans need to step off your pedestals.

whitesoxwilkes
08-17-2003, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by SoCalUIC
There are Sears Ads in the upper deck.

Not to mention that stupid shiny Torco sign, which, while not in the park, is still pretty visible. Ditto the "bud roof" on the big grey house just beyond the LF bleachers.

cheeses_h_rice
08-17-2003, 11:07 PM
So Les, when the Flubs build their new super-uber-duper ballpark in the suburbs in 2015, can we hold you to your "purist" viewpoint concerning advertising?

Because Lord knows, that new park will feature advertising in every nook and cranny it can find, and you can take that to the bank. Don't kid yourself concerning the realities of sports marketing today -- the only reason Wrigley itself isn't bogged down with advertising is because it wasn't designed for it.

And also, just a minor quibble, but surely the big BUDWEISER and TORCO, etc. rooftops and billboards across the streets have to count for something? I can't imagine the Cubs aren't taking at least some of that ad money in...

WinningUgly!
08-17-2003, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Grobber33
I am glad tho that Wrigley does'nt have Viagra Billboards.

If they had a few Viagra billboards, maybe Raffy Palmeiro would have accepted a trade there. I guess it doesn't matter now that they've traded for Simon...a different kind of sausage beater. :D:

Grobber33
08-17-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
I haven't been to the shrine in a couple of years, but I'm willing to bet they have a pre-game announcement regarding Viagra along with something on the matrix board below the scoreboard. If not there, I'm willing to bet there is a prominent ad in the concourse area. After all, Viagra is an official sponsor of MLB.

The Cubs are also so pure that they allow the chromakey screen to be placed behind home plate during Fox and ESPN games, so their electronic billboards can be scene on their broadcasts.

They have no choice on the Chromakey---MLB forced them to allow it. ESPN and FOX are permitted to runamuck at all Ballparks----MONEY TALKS.

As for the Ozzie performance,,,,as the Delta Boys said in Animal House........"A NEW LOW!"

Grobber33
08-17-2003, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad



Les, you and other Cubbie fans need to step off your pedestals.

Why Doc?? Cause you say so?????

Grobber33
08-17-2003, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
So Les, when the Flubs build their new super-uber-duper ballpark in the suburbs in 2015, can we hold you to your "purist" viewpoint concerning advertising?

Because Lord knows, that new park will feature advertising in every nook and cranny it can find, and you can take that to the bank. Don't kid yourself concerning the realities of sports marketing today -- the only reason Wrigley itself isn't bogged down with advertising is because it wasn't designed for it.

And also, just a minor quibble, but surely the big BUDWEISER and TORCO, etc. rooftops and billboards across the streets have to count for something? I can't imagine the Cubs aren't taking at least some of that ad money in...

Yeah,hold me to it,but in 2015 the Cubs will be playing in Wrigley Field,so it's moot.
As for the Bud,Torco and stuff like that-----come on.....you know darned well Tribune does'nt get squat for that----that THINK they should,and that's part of the reason they are being Ja---ffs with the rooftop folks. Your smarter than that!!!

Grobber33
08-17-2003, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
I don't need you either to help me rip on stuff that is bogus at either field. But that doesn't stop you Les. If that crap happened at the Cell you'd be going off on it for 20 years.

I can see why the Viagra ads bother you, because it doesn't take much to get a rise outta you.

Not that it's any of your business,but what the hell.......I dont need Viagra never have, We'll just leave it at that. Gosh Doc, you guys have a crappy road trip and suddenly a normally decent chap like yourself starts getting personal.. It's just a ballgame my Friend,and the season is'nt over yet tho it sounds like some on other threads here may think so.

DrCrawdad
08-17-2003, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Grobber33
Why Doc?? Cause you say so?????

That's reason enough in my book.

I believe that I've documented the hypocrisy. When you're exposed, it's time to step down from the pedestal.

:lynch&mcfail
"Ed, DrCrawdad thinks we need to come down off Mt. Vesusvius. Ed, there are two things I'll never do. 1. Stop wearing Mr. Rogers sweater vests. 2. Step down from Mt. Vesusvius and mix with the common folk. Oh, Ed there is one other thing I can't stop and that's being a condescending jack-ass because in that I serve as a role model for so many Cub fans."

DrCrawdad
08-17-2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Grobber33
Not that it's any of your business,but what the hell.......I dont need Viagra never have, We'll just leave it at that. Gosh Doc, you guys have a crappy road trip and suddenly a normally decent chap like yourself starts getting personal.. It's just a ballgame my Friend,and the season is'nt over yet tho it sounds like some on other threads here may think so.

Les, whether you need Viagra or not is between you and your significant other. As I hope you understand getting a rise out of someone has two meanings. One being that you get a reaction.

Obviously you're a bit sensitive after the Cubbies got shutdown this weekend.

JJAustin69
08-17-2003, 11:39 PM
Yeah, that guest conductor thing has gotten way out of hand. The shameless celebrity plugs should be kept on late night TV. Somebody put a tent on that circus.

cheeses_h_rice
08-17-2003, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by Grobber33
Yeah,hold me to it,but in 2015 the Cubs will be playing in Wrigley Field,so it's moot.
As for the Bud,Torco and stuff like that-----come on.....you know darned well Tribune does'nt get squat for that----that THINK they should,and that's part of the reason they are being Ja---ffs with the rooftop folks. Your smarter than that!!!

Actually, I wasn't sure if the Cubs participated in any of that ancillary revenue or not; I do know that the Cubs managed to get some money from the rooftop owners for their ticket sales, so I assumed this extended to the ads on the buildings on Waveland and Sheffield.

And, you're wrong -- the Cubs will NOT be playing at the ballpark at Clark & Addison come 2015 or thereabouts; the hue & cry to "maximize revenue" will be much too great for the then-owners to resist. Mark my word....

TornLabrum
08-18-2003, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by Grobber33
Not that it's any of your business,but what the hell.......I dont need Viagra never have, We'll just leave it at that. Gosh Doc, you guys have a crappy road trip and suddenly a normally decent chap like yourself starts getting personal.. It's just a ballgame my Friend,and the season is'nt over yet tho it sounds like some on other threads here may think so.

Les, he said it doesn't take much to get a rise out of you. In other words, going along with the pun, you shouldn't need Viagra.

TornLabrum
08-18-2003, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
Actually, I wasn't sure if the Cubs participated in any of that ancillary revenue or not; I do know that the Cubs managed to get some money from the rooftop owners for their ticket sales, so I assumed this extended to the ads on the buildings on Waveland and Sheffield.

And, you're wrong -- the Cubs will NOT be playing at the ballpark at Clark & Addison come 2015 or thereabouts; the hue & cry to "maximize revenue" will be much too great for the then-owners to resist. Mark my word....

Whether or not they continue playing at the shrine depends on a couple of things that I can think of right off the bat:

1) Will the Cubs get that bleacher extension they've been trying to get?

2) Will the Tribune Co. be able to convince the state to pony up money for a third stadium a la the Sox and Bears, because you know damn well they won't build one for themselves.

With their connections to TV production through the WB, I can see them building a replica of Wrigley Field in Schaumburg, complete with a giant chromakey screen behind the outfield bleachers on which electronic images of the buildings across the street on Waveland and Sheffield can be projected.

I can picture them purchasing all of the land within a mile of the ballpark putting in fake buildings with parking lots where the "owners" can charge $25-50 per car to park, and real "neighborhood" bars owned by the Tribune Co. to duplicate the feel of the "Wrigleyville" neighborhood.

Up in the boot, of course, the guest conductors of the 7th inning stretch will be replaced by an audio-animatronic robot of Harry Caray singing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game."

Of course buying all the land around the state-owned ball park will cost the Tribune a lot of money, so the budget for players will have to remain around the middle level of all the MLB teams in order to economize.

CLR01
08-18-2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
With their connections to TV production through the WB, I can see them building a replica of Wrigley Field in Schaumburg, complete with a giant chromakey screen behind the outfield bleachers on which electronic images of the buildings across the street on Waveland and Sheffield can be projected.


Okay why is it that every time this comes up Schaumburg is always mentioned as the future home? Were there talks between the club and the city in the past? Im not even sure there is anywhere to put them without buying up some land. New developments are going up anywhere they can fit them.


**** the Cubs we don’t want them. Let them go to Naperville with the Fire. They can share a stadium, or they can play at Aexian Field. A minor league stadium for a minor league team.

hose
08-18-2003, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
http://www.mtv.com/onair/osbournes/flipbooks/season_2_family/images/ozzy_sharon_1.jpg

Today Sharon & Ozzy Osbourne “sang” Take Me Out To The Ballgame. Their “singing” was horrible. Ozzy mumbled unintelligibly. It was a complete mockery.

That the family WGN allowed the Osbourne’s in the booth and to sing was a sheer publicity event for Sharon Osbourne’s upcoming WGN TV talk show.

If the Sox did something like this what do you think Cubbie fans would be saying?

Santo, who complains about the music at The Cell and many other things, what would he say if this took place at The Cell?

Then there is our dear old White Sox antagonist, Les Grobstein. Les, where are you? What did you think of this blatant commercial at The Shrine? They don’t put ads on the walls of The Shrine, no they put them in the booth and give them a microphone.

I love it when Cubbie fans say that they love the Cubbies because The Shrine is pure, unaffected baseball. As today showed, that is complete hogwash.



I would like to know of a cub fan board that has Dave Wills critiquing the cubs and their fans behavior, because thats what Les is doing to Sox fans.

I caught no more than 10 minutes of his radio show and in between bashing Sox fans Les was reading their minds as to how they would respond.

DrCrawdad
08-18-2003, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by hose
I would like to know of a cub fan board that has Dave Wills critiquing the cubs and their fans behavior, because thats what Les is doing to Sox fans.

I caught no more than 10 minutes of his radio show and in between bashing Sox fans Les was reading their minds as to how they would respond.

The thing is IF something like this happened at The Cell do you think Les would just let it go by without mentioning it for the next 35 years? NO.

Les, and many other Cubbie fans, are always right there to pounce on things they don't like at The Cell. Funny thing is though when something that is clearly stupid happens at The Shrine Les gets all worked into a lather when we Sox fans mention it. Then Les acts like his hands are clean in this Cubbie vs. Sox stuff.

I have enjoyed listening to Les for years. Les has been really cool when I've spoken to him at The Cell.

That said though no way should Les be shocked that Ozzy Osbourne "singing" Take Me Out... at The Shrine would be ridiculed by Sox fans. Heck, many Cubbie fans are doing just the same. Cubbie fans should be upset about that crass stupidity yesterday, if they truly embrace the values they proclaim to embrace.

TornLabrum
08-18-2003, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by CLR01
Okay why is it that every time this comes up Schaumburg is always mentioned as the future home? Were there talks between the club and the city in the past? Im not even sure there is anywhere to put them without buying up some land. New developments are going up anywhere they can fit them.


**** the Cubs we don’t want them. Let them go to Naperville with the Fire. They can share a stadium, or they can play at Aexian Field. A minor league stadium for a minor league team.

I was thinking precisely of Alexian Field. It already has the same dimensions as The Shrine.

thepaulbowski
08-18-2003, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Grobber33
Yeah,hold me to it,but in 2015 the Cubs will be playing in Wrigley Field,so it's moot.
As for the Bud,Torco and stuff like that-----come on.....you know darned well Tribune does'nt get squat for that----that THINK they should,and that's part of the reason they are being Ja---ffs with the rooftop folks. Your smarter than that!!!

The cubs probably think they should getting royalties from this site because we mentioned their name. And does letting the foul mouthed Ozzy & Sharon sing the 7th inning stretch help the "family" atmosphere at Wrigley that they promote.

TornLabrum
08-18-2003, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
That said though no way should Les be shocked that Ozzy Osbourne "singing" Take Me Out... at The Shrine would be ridiculed by Sox fans. Heck, many Cubbie fans are doing just the same. Cubbie fans should be upset about that crass stupidity yesterday, if they truly embrace the values they proclaim to embrace.

I thought Ozzy singing TMOTTBG was very educational. I didn't know until he sang it that one of the lines is "I don't remember what I have to do."

Jerko
08-18-2003, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by WinningUgly!
If they had a few Viagra billboards, maybe Raffy Palmeiro would have accepted a trade there. I guess it doesn't matter now that they've traded for Simon...a different kind of sausage beater. :D:


That is the funniest thing I've heard outside of the Manuel bashing. And Les, I know you were cracking wise on the Viagra product, but don't tell me that money and advertising don't mean anything to the Cubs. If money meant nothing to the Cubs you wouldn't have had the outfield screens last year to bilk the rooftop owners (who are a bunch of crooks too in my opinion) or the "ticket agency" thing they have going on now. They screw their own fans for the sake of the dollar, so spare me the billboard wars. I suppose if the United Center took their ads off the boards it would be the Stadium again.

adsit
08-18-2003, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by whitesoxwilkes
Not to mention that stupid shiny Torco sign, which, while not in the park, is still pretty visible. Ditto the "bud roof" on the big grey house just beyond the LF bleachers.

Chip a couple layers of paint off that Bud roof and you'll find the old WGN ad... "your double-play combination." They probably own the thing and started renting the space when they bought the team to create a new revenue stream. I believe I've read a number of times how Tribune has been trying to get around the zoning variances, historic preservation rules or whatever it is that prevents them from papering the place with ads.

Irishlawyer
08-18-2003, 09:27 AM
I never knew this existed:

http://www.grobber.com/ (www.grobber.com)

Rocky Soprano
08-18-2003, 09:48 AM
I actually ran into Sharon on Saturday. She was shopping down Michigan Ave. Im not a big fan so I didnt say anything to her.

adsit
08-18-2003, 09:54 AM
Is "The Osbournes" still in production? If so, I bet we're gonna have to see a Cubbie episode on MTV next season. Though that might be made okay if we get behind-the-scenes footage of him thrashing the place...

Ozzy's actually a good fit for the Urinal. He took a leak on the Alamo once. Wouldn't get in trouble for that at Wrigley.

RKMeibalane
08-18-2003, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Les, he said it doesn't take much to get a rise out of you. In other words, going along with the pun, you shouldn't need Viagra.

Les and jeremyb1 must be drinking from the same water fountain.

Viva Magglio
08-18-2003, 10:32 AM
I am not going to use this as a vehicle to attack Les. Reading through a lot of the posts, it seems that some of us are only interested in trying to pick a fight with the Grobber over this latest butchering of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame." I don't agree with Les all the time on issues of Sox versus Cubs, but he is not out to wage a smear campaign against us. While Les makes it clear whom he cheers for, I think he treats us fairly. And I have heard Les rip the Cubs several times on his show.

The chalkboard scratching rendition of Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame," as well as Ozzy's incoherent answers to Chip and Steve's questions, is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Cubs have to stop denigrating this longtime baseball tradition.

The Cubs have turned this into cross-promotional marketing ploy (i.e., promoting Sharon's new talk show this fall). In the past, the Cubs have done this cross-promotion to showcase the Tribune's new advice columnist, WGN Radio personalities, etc. It has become a complete and total mockery of what Harry Caray started when he was with us.

Harry must be rolling in his grave over what this has become. The Cubs must cease and desist this mockery now. When the 7th inning stretch comes, the Cubs should do what we now do at our ballpark. Wrigley organist Gary Pressy plays the song, and the singing is only done by the people whom Harry would have chosen first: the fans.

Hangar18
08-18-2003, 10:48 AM
Hmmm, Cubs are owned by a Major Newspaper, Major Newspaper also part of Lucrative TV Network. The more "popular" cubs are, the more "popular" network is, which makes cubs even more "popular", which makes more people watch watch "popular" network. That was shameless. But the joke is on cub fans, theyve been doing this for quite some time now, using the 7th inning stretch to promote movies stars new movies, authors new books, Actresses new TV Shows (which happen to be on the same network) Its funny when they get that Ronco guy on there, promoting his new Rotisserie Oven that can Cook Chicken better. Or Emeril, who just "happens to be in the ballpark" to promote his TV show, with a chicago flavor. The worse part is, theyre stealing something that WAS A SOUTHSIDE Tradition, and bastardized it into what it is now....
A 7th inning Infomercial. I like that OZZY mangled it up....because I think he did it on PURPOSE. theres a part where he said "I dont know what im doing". Slap in the face to the cub
Propoganda Machine. If this doesnt prove how Big, How Mighty the Cubpoganda Machine really is.........

TornLabrum
08-18-2003, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
I am not going to use this as a vehicle to attack Les. Reading through a lot of the posts, it seems that some of us are only interested in trying to pick a fight with the Grobber over this latest butchering of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame." I don't agree with Les all the time on issues of Sox versus Cubs, but he is not out to wage a smear campaign against us. While Les makes it clear whom he cheers for, I think he treats us fairly. And I have heard Les rip the Cubs several times on his show.

The chalkboard scratching rendition of Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame," as well as Ozzy's incoherent answers to Chip and Steve's questions, is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Cubs have to stop denigrating this longtime baseball tradition.

I learned something yesterday from Ozzy's rendition. It's really "Let's Go Out to the Ball Game," and it includes the line, "I don't remember what I have to do."

Also I know no that Sharon has a new program coming soon to Ch. 9. I'm sure Harry would love it. Aren't you?

Hangar18
08-18-2003, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!


The chalkboard scratching rendition of Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame," as well as Ozzy's incoherent answers to Chip and Steve's questions, is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that...

...the Cubs have to stop denigrating this longtime baseball tradition.



This WAS A WHITE SOX SOUTH-SIDE TRADITION. It was done at Comiskey, til the CUbs, never too Proud to accept a Hand-Out/Dig thru the MLB Trash for something to call their own, HiJacked and Are Currently Ruining 81 Times a Year. Lets make sure we
GET THIS RIGHT.

voodoochile
08-18-2003, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
I am not going to use this as a vehicle to attack Les. Reading through a lot of the posts, it seems that some of us are only interested in trying to pick a fight with the Grobber over this latest butchering of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame." I don't agree with Les all the time on issues of Sox versus Cubs, but he is not out to wage a smear campaign against us. While Les makes it clear whom he cheers for, I think he treats us fairly. And I have heard Les rip the Cubs several times on his show.

Thanks, also when Les comes to WSI, he isn't Les Grobstein the radio personality, he is Les Grobstein the baseball fan. You want to take Les to task for his radio personnae, please do so by calling his show, or at least keep it light-hearted when you do it here...

Hangar18
08-18-2003, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by CLR01
Okay why is it that every time this comes up Schaumburg is always mentioned as the future home? Were there talks between the club and the city in the past? Im not even sure there is anywhere to put them without buying up some land. New developments are going up anywhere they can fit them.


**** the Cubs we don’t want them. Let them go to Naperville with the Fire. They can share a stadium, or they can play at Aexian Field. A minor league stadium for a minor league team.

I think Motorola has a ton of land they wont be using. "Welcome everybody your 2015 Chicago Cubs at Wrigley Field at Motorola Park. We've got a great team this year, and this could FINALLY be the year we win it all. "

Jerko
08-18-2003, 11:32 AM
I like Les, and I wish he was still on the radio late nights instead of the suck-fest they have on there now. I just react to him cause he comes on here and seems to agree with us to some point, and at the very end of his posts he gives us a shot. I am not trying to trash him, I just think it's fun going back and forth with him every now and then. At least he know his stuff and it's not reduced to a "Cubs suck" "Oh yeah, Sox suck" argument with him.

Hangar18
08-18-2003, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Thanks, also when Les comes to WSI, he isn't Les Grobstein the radio personality, he is Les Grobstein the baseball fan. You want to take Les to task for his radio personnae, please do so by calling his show, or at least keep it light-hearted when you do it here...

Thats a Very Good Point. When I see him here, thats How I approach him, as we all should. I think of him as a guy who'll never see a cub world series in his lifetime heh heh

voodoochile
08-18-2003, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
I think Motorola has a ton of land they wont be using. "Welcome everybody your 2015 Chicago Cubs at Wrigley Field at Motorola Park. We've got a great team this year, and this could FINALLY be the year we win it all. "

No, they will sell the naming rights cheap to WGN or the Tribune itself so they can get the benefit of the free advertising everytime some reporter/announcer says the name and still keep the money off the books - thus hiding it from the players union...

RKMeibalane
08-18-2003, 11:34 AM
Does anyone know if Julie Sweica has ever been here? I would be interested to hear her thoughts on this.

voodoochile
08-18-2003, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
This WAS A WHITE SOX SOUTH-SIDE TRADITION. It was done at Comiskey, til the CUbs, never too Proud to accept a Hand-Out/Dig thru the MLB Trash for something to call their own, HiJacked and Are Currently Ruining 81 Times a Year. Lets make sure we
GET THIS RIGHT.

Eventually, they will give the full time gig to Darrin Baker and depending on whether the team subsequently goes on a hot streak or in the crapper, the kid will either become the next hot media thing or stoned to death during recess...

RKMeibalane
08-18-2003, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Eventually, they will give the full time gig to Darrin Baker and depending on whether the team subsequently goes on a hot streak or in the crapper, the kid will either become the next hot media thing or stoned to death during recess...

Didn't they let him sing it earlier this year?

voodoochile
08-18-2003, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
Didn't they let him sing it earlier this year?

Yes, and the flubbies won. I was very surprised they didn't have him back again.

Jerko
08-18-2003, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
Does anyone know if Julie Sweica has ever been here? I would be interested to hear her thoughts on this.

From what little I listen to her, she'll agree to anything if you tell her how beautiful she is, how much you love her, and agree with everything she says. You know, like any typical woman. The fastest way to her heart is to be on hold for 3 hours and hope that you get on the air "on the other side of the break" RIGHT after she berates a caller, then if you berate the same caller by saying exactly what she just said, you'll be caller of the show for sure. Not that it's my call, but I don't think I want her on here to tell the truth. She does have some good points on the Sox, but hanging up on a guy for dissing Manuel makes me question how much she really knows, and agreeing with a caller who says "3 million people in Chicago don't manage the Sox, leave JM alone" is absurd. 3 million people don't have my job either; doesn't mean none of them could do it better than me though.

DrCrawdad
08-18-2003, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Thanks, also when Les comes to WSI, he isn't Les Grobstein the radio personality, he is Les Grobstein the baseball fan. You want to take Les to task for his radio personnae, please do so by calling his show, or at least keep it light-hearted when you do it here...

As I've mentioned, I like Les. We've talked in person and been friendly.

The last time that I saw Les was at The Home Opener in 2002. Of course Les got in a jab at how the Sox put vines in Comiskey copying The Shrine.

Now the kind of interchange that I have with Les is much the same as I have with a few Cubbie fan friends. These Cubbie fan friends rip all things White Sox and I give it right back to them. Les is a White Sox antagonist par-excellence. Les fires on all things White Sox so he shouldn’t take it personally when I (or other Sox fans) return fire.

It’s great that Les comes here to mix it up. I respect Les for that.

I wish Les had more time on AM1000 and I haven’t listened to overnights at The SCORE since they canned Les.

I know Les doesn’t drink but I’d be glad to buy him a beverage of his choice. I consider Les a friend. The way I was raised, friends aren’t afraid to debate even have heated debates.

xil357
08-18-2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
I don't need you either to help me rip on stuff that is bogus at either field. But that doesn't stop you Les. If that crap happened at the Cell you'd be going off on it for 20 years.

I can see why the Viagra ads bother you, because it doesn't take much to get a rise outta you.

Crawdad, this is witty on so many different levels that I don't know where to begin.

:)

RKMeibalane
08-18-2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Now the kind of interchange that I have with Les is much the same as I have with a few Cubbie fan friends. These Cubbie fan friends rip all things White Sox and I give it right back to them. Les is a White Sox antagonist par-excellence. Les fires on all things White Sox so he shouldn’t take it personally when I (or other Sox fans) return fire.

It’s great that Les comes here to mix it up. I respect Les for that.

You touched on the exact reason why I don't like Cubs fans. With the exception of an extremely small minority, Cubs fans live by a double-standard. They never hesitate to bash the White Sox when the opportunity arises, but when a Sox fan says something in retaliation, they get upset and resort to personal attacks.

I agree that Les deserves our respect for coming here. The same goes for any other Cubs fan who is a regular poster at WSI. These people aren't afraid to make their preferences and allegiances known, but they don't ram it down our throats like others have been known to do. I just wish that more people could do the same. I enjoy talking baseball- that's why I'm here. But it seems like too many people aren't able to move beyond the Sox-Cubs rivalry, even for a few minutes a day.

xil357
08-18-2003, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by CLR01
Okay why is it that every time this comes up Schaumburg is always mentioned as the future home? Were there talks between the club and the city in the past? Im not even sure there is anywhere to put them without buying up some land. New developments are going up anywhere they can fit them.


**** the Cubs we don’t want them. Let them go to Naperville with the Fire. They can share a stadium, or they can play at Aexian Field. A minor league stadium for a minor league team.

Hey, a minor league stadium would be a step up for the Cubs. They currently play in a little league park (360 foot power alleys according to Cub-lover Mike Murphy) that serves adult beverages.

MRKARNO
08-18-2003, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by xil357
Hey, a minor league stadium would be a step up for the Cubs. They currently play in a little league park (360 foot power alleys according to Cub-lover Mike Murphy) that serves adult beverages.

The power alleys are 363, but straightaway is 400 and the corners are 353 and 355, so hitting homers to the power alley is easy, but anywhere else is much harder.

I wonder what's the furthest point from home plate in any ballpark. Maybe the 424 corner at pac bell?

voodoochile
08-18-2003, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
The power alleys are 363, but straightaway is 400 and the corners are 353 and 355, so hitting homers to the power alley is easy, but anywhere else is much harder.

I wonder what's the furthest point from home plate in any ballpark. Maybe the 424 corner at pac bell?

What about where you have to run around the flag pole in CF in Houston (I think). How far away is that?

Brian26
08-18-2003, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
Does anyone know if Julie Sweica has ever been here? I would be interested to hear her thoughts on this.

I don't know. Let me ask her when she comes back. She's in the bathroom right now "freshening up".

Brian26
08-18-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
I wonder what's the furthest point from home plate in any ballpark. Maybe the 424 corner at pac bell?

Good question. I think you might be right.

I know Old Comiskey was 440 to centerfield when they had the bullpens down the lines. Old Tiger Stadium was 440 too, wasn't it?

RKMeibalane
08-18-2003, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Brian26
Good question. I think you might be right.

I know Old Comiskey was 440 to centerfield when they had the bullpens down the lines. Old Tiger Stadium was 440 too, wasn't it?

Yes, Tiger Stadium was 440 to centerfield. Pro Player Stadium is also extremely deep in left center. When the park was first used for baseball (1993), the area around the leftfield scoreboard was referred to as the "Bermuda Triangle."

DrCrawdad
08-18-2003, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
You touched on the exact reason why I don't like Cubs fans. With the exception of an extremely small minority, Cubs fans live by a double-standard. They never hesitate to bash the White Sox when the opportunity arises, but when a Sox fan says something in retaliation, they get upset and resort to personal attacks.

I agree that Les deserves our respect for coming here. The same goes for any other Cubs fan who is a regular poster at WSI. These people aren't afraid to make their preferences and allegiances known, but they don't ram it down our throats like others have been known to do. I just wish that more people could do the same. I enjoy talking baseball- that's why I'm here. But it seems like too many people aren't able to move beyond the Sox-Cubs rivalry, even for a few minutes a day.


Good points.

As far as talking Sox baseball, I'm angry no very angry about the way the Sox have played. Hopefully they'll go on a win streak now that they're at home. I just can't stomach doing an autopsy on the Sox at the moment.

The Cubbies Oz Fest Infomercial is current and deserves our bashing. If Cubbie fans are honest about their love of “pure baseball” they’d bash Oz Fest Infomercial too.

RKMeibalane
08-18-2003, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
The Cubbies Oz Fest Infomercial is current and deserves our bashing. If Cubbie fans are honest about their love of “pure baseball” they’d bash Oz Fest Infomercial too.

This is part of the double-standard I was talking about. Cubs fans rarely say anything negative about their team. Sox fans, on the other hand, rip their team on a regular basis. One need only look at this board to see what people have been saying since last week.

Cubs fans have little or sense of reality.

captain54
08-18-2003, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
[BI agree that Les deserves our respect for coming here. The same goes for any other Cubs fan who is a regular poster at WSI. [/B]

I would add that Les was entertaining on the midnight SCR show he deserves respect for going toe to toe with Sox fans on their turf and he sticks by his team....

you'll notice though, that certain truths about Les remain self-evident:

1)when Les gets pigeonholed into a corner when it comes to Cubs/Sox showdown, he conveniently changes the subject or diverts the focus of the argument down a path that it totally unrelated to the argument

2)avoids commenting on the bashing of certain moronic local sports talk show hosts under the guise of "the time will come when I'll reveal all"....I guess Les knows where his bread is buttered....

3)will overlook the commercial and corporate conglomerate which is the Cubs/WGN/Tribune, and take any opportunity to rip the Sox for any commericial sellout...

4)complete, utter, blind devotion to Wrigley field which is the most overhyped, oversold, outdated structure currently standing in the US....

Jerko
08-18-2003, 01:27 PM
And when all else fails he brings up the wave!

duke of dorwood
08-18-2003, 01:45 PM
Cub fans got like this when the Sox became second class by putting games on stations like channel 32, when no one had UHF and Channell 44, and our big radio outlet was WTAQ 1300 AM in La Grange.And it has NEVER changed-just got worse when Tribune Spin got involved. Their fans are brainwashed lemmings and will never be any different. To them, we are still the Arthur Allyn regime.

Dan H
08-18-2003, 02:01 PM
We don't have to get into personal attacks or discussions about Viagra to know one thing: The Cub tradition is no tradition. They haven't had back to back winning seasons in over three decades now. That stupid seventh inning stuff should have ended a long time ago. Sosa's homer hop needs to go. And Wrigley is overhyped and overrated. Cub fans have given standing ovations to Sosa after he was caught cheating and to Ryno Sandberg after he deserted them. You can push a Cub fan down a flight of stairs and he won't mind as long as they are carpeted. And don't forget that wild card championship!

hose
08-18-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Thanks, also when Les comes to WSI, he isn't Les Grobstein the radio personality, he is Les Grobstein the baseball fan. You want to take Les to task for his radio personnae, please do so by calling his show, or at least keep it light-hearted when you do it here...



Why doesn't he go by a different handle at WSI then?

Let Les post the same stuff with a different name and I think you would have bounced him by now.

Les the radio personality and Grobber33 are the same.

DrCrawdad
08-18-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Dan H
We don't have to get into personal attacks or discussions about Viagra...

For the record, it was Les who RAISED the Viagra issue. I simply made a play on words about how it's easy to provoke Les when it comes to his Cubbies. Les took what I posted as if I accused him of E.D. or Whiskey Ditka. That wasn't the point at all.

BTW "Whiskey Ditka" is a Harry Teinowitz joke.

DrCrawdad
08-18-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by xil357
Crawdad, this is witty on so many different levels that I don't know where to begin.

:)

I'll be at The Funnyboner all week.

Lip Man 1
08-18-2003, 06:25 PM
Hey Doctor:

By the way I think you'll be interested in reading the next WSI Interview.

It's with your friend Les who actually had very nice things to say about you and Viva! Magglio.

Les is really a great guy (for a Cubs fan!) who loves baseball and does really good imitations of Jimmy Piersall and "Red" Rush.

His interview will be on the site around mid September or so.

Lip

DrCrawdad
08-18-2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Hey Doctor:

By the way I think you'll be interested in reading the next WSI Interview.

It's with your friend Les who actually had very nice things to say about you and Viva! Magglio.

Les is really a great guy (for a Cubs fan!) who loves baseball and does really good imitations of Jimmy Piersall and "Red" Rush.

His interview will be on the site around mid September or so.

Lip

Thanks for the preview. I look forward to reading it.

I've listened to Les for years. Back in Les' days at WLS. I remember a weekend show Les had with his wife. The time with Dahl, post Steve & Garry. Then Les' time at the SCORE.

As I've mentioned, The SCORE screwed Les. I won't listen to the garbage they now have on overnights.

Les should have a regular gig here in Chicago. I don't know what is holding AM1000 back from giving Les a regular scheduled airslot.

Les is armed with facts, and an interesting perspective (even if he's a Cubbie fan). If WGN had any brains they would have given Les the weekend SportsCentral gig and/or Cub pre-post game.

Hats off to Les for having the guts to post here and do it under his name.

Les, I'm waiting on your book.

- DrCrawdad.
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DrCrawdad
08-18-2003, 08:34 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/media/thumbnails/story/2003-08/9032771.jpg

CHICAGO TRIBUNE Redeye

Sunday's performance of "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" by the world's most notorious mumbler, Ozzy Osbourne, is yet another reason why this once-quaint tradition needs to be stuffed in a trunk and sent to the bottom of Lake Michigan.

With wife Sharon by his side, Osbourne stumbled at the start and stayed completely off the rails of his crazy train. The looks on the faces of the Cubs and Dodgers players who stared up from the dugouts said it all.

HEAR IT FOR YOURSELF. (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-ozzyatwrigley,1,1096274.realvideo?coll=cs-home-headlines)

TornLabrum
08-18-2003, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Hey Doctor:

By the way I think you'll be interested in reading the next WSI Interview.

It's with your friend Les who actually had very nice things to say about you and Viva! Magglio.

Les is really a great guy (for a Cubs fan!) who loves baseball and does really good imitations of Jimmy Piersall and "Red" Rush.

His interview will be on the site around mid September or so.

Lip

Just in time to celebrate our division championship and the Cubs 3rd place finish!

RKMeibalane
08-18-2003, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Just in time to celebrate our division championship and the Cubs 3rd place finish!

LMAO! Did Les ever comment on Sosa's ticket last week? I know that you speculated that he would come here and defend Sammy, but I haven't seen anything from him on the subject. I even asked him about it, but I don't think he responded.

TornLabrum
08-18-2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/media/thumbnails/story/2003-08/9032771.jpg



HEAR IT FOR YOURSELF. (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-ozzyatwrigley,1,1096274.realvideo?coll=cs-home-headlines)

I love it where he sings, "I don't remember what I have to do."

hsnterprize
08-19-2003, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by daver
OK Les,your reaching now,we both know why Wrigley Field does not have advertising in the park,it is because they have no where to put it.Do you really think it is because the Tribune Co. is above such things? Actually, Daver...Wrigley does have advertising. You have to look really closely, but underneath the upperdeck overhangs at Wrigley, there are small, LED boards with ads rolling on them similar to the large boards at the Cell. You normally can't see them if you're watching a game on TV, but the cameras will occasionally show them when there's a message like "Cubs Win", or "Rain Delay". So much for Wrigley's keeping with "old fashioned tradition." The next thing you know...they'll try to hide a DiamondVision screen somewhere in that place.

hsnterprize
08-19-2003, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
I love it where he sings, "I don't remember what I have to do." Don't think I'm trying to stick up for the self-promoting Cubune...but if you watch the video (it might help to do it with the sound down so Ozzy's drivel won't distract you), you'll see Sharon Osbourne actually singing the words to the song. However, he mike wasn't working. I've seen that happen before. I've covered games at the Urinal, and have seen singers do their thing looking like they're lip-synching. It's a WGN technical glitch...so even though Ozzy sounded like crap, Sharon's mike was supposed to cover it up.

TornLabrum
08-19-2003, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by hsnterprize
Actually, Daver...Wrigley does have advertising. You have to look really closely, but underneath the upperdeck overhangs at Wrigley, there are small, LED boards with ads rolling on them similar to the large boards at the Cell. You normally can't see them if you're watching a game on TV, but the cameras will occasionally show them when there's a message like "Cubs Win", or "Rain Delay". So much for Wrigley's keeping with "old fashioned tradition." The next thing you know...they'll try to hide a DiamondVision screen somewhere in that place.

They already have TV monitors in the lower deck for those who can't see fly balls due to the sky boxes blocking the vision of anyone sitting below and/or behind them.

voodoochile
08-19-2003, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
They already have TV monitors in the lower deck for those who can't see fly balls due to the sky boxes blocking the vision of anyone sitting below and/or behind them.

been that way for a long time...

TornLabrum
08-19-2003, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
been that way for a long time...

Yup, going back to the days when I used to go there for games other than Sox games. That's about 8 years now, and they'd been there for awhile then.

Medford Bobby
08-19-2003, 10:26 AM
Funny thing, as I was watching the Dodgers on 'GN, I kept hearing early in the game Chip and S-t-e-v-e promoting that Ozzy and his wife would be on signing and pushing her new WB show. That was enough for me to skip the game til the 8th inning or so. I agree :angry: the Cups will never drop the 7th inning as long as it's a corporate promoting vehicle. I could never hear Jack Brickhouse or even Harry doing these shills.... :(:


:harry&jimmy " We got some guy from the Wizard of Oz coming up later, Jimmy. He's into hea-v-y metal, or so the copy says....strike two to Allen, He has a wife who's a cancer,...gee Jimmy I heard your a Libra or something...HAHAHA....ripped that one foul..............this wizard guy has a new TV show...what ya think Jimmy...a science show???? Another foul ball to Dick Allen...geez better get that Falstaff guy in box seats up here......God I could sure use a cold one" :)

miker
08-20-2003, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
You touched on the exact reason why I don't like Cubs fans. With the exception of an extremely small minority, Cubs fans live by a double-standard. They never hesitate to bash the White Sox when the opportunity arises, but when a Sox fan says something in retaliation, they get upset and resort to personal attacks.

I agree that Les deserves our respect for coming here. The same goes for any other Cubs fan who is a regular poster at WSI.

I'm glad someone mentioned the "minority" because I know there are quite a few Cubs fans who are actually (I kid you not!) baseball fans who are upset with the dog-and-pony show the Shrine has become. I have a friend and co-worker who after getting squeezed out of her bleecher seats decided to say good-bye to the Chicago National League Ballclub and started going to see our Sox.

As for Les: I have a confession to make -- I hate sports radio. But it seems from the posts I've been reading that there may be a little objective journalism left in Mr. Grobstein. Maybe he's just bitter from all those years of abuse from Steve Dahl...