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gosox41
08-03-2003, 11:33 PM
The more I think about it, the more I dislike the move. The Sox already have a guy who can shut down lefties. Why do they need 2?

What they lack is a guy who can getrighties out. Righties are batting .325 against him this season. Being that most hitters bat righty I can see where this will present a bit of a problem. I don't know how the Sox expect this guy to be an effective starter, let alone reliever. He is nothing but a left handed specialist, some thing the Sox don't need.

Glover, is much better against righties then Schoenweis. If JM had some faith in him, he would see how effective Garland was. This trade was a move that definitely didn't help the team, and probably hurt it.

Bob

koch44
08-03-2003, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
The more I think about it, the more I dislike the move. The Sox already have a guy who can shut down lefties. Why do they need 2?

Bob

Why do we need 3?

Remember that we also have Wunsch on the team, and he has done great along with Marte. They both have ERA's in the 1-2 range.

KW SHOULD have used the time he did to aquire a fifth starter, instead of wasting his time trading a guy who was rarely used, and could very well have been in the rotation, for another lefty in the bullpen.

manuelsucks
08-03-2003, 11:53 PM
My thoughts of the trade are better than what seems to be floating around. I think that Schoenweis will turn out to be a quality 5th starter for next year. True we need someone in the meantime, but the way he is pitching, I really feel confident that he can become a critical part of this starting rotation.

spanishwhite
08-04-2003, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by gosox41
The more I think about it, the more I dislike the move. The Sox already have a guy who can shut down lefties. Why do they need 2?

What they lack is a guy who can getrighties out. Righties are batting .325 against him this season. Being that most hitters bat righty I can see where this will present a bit of a problem. I don't know how the Sox expect this guy to be an effective starter, let alone reliever. He is nothing but a left handed specialist, some thing the Sox don't need.

Glover, is much better against righties then Schoenweis. If JM had some faith in him, he would see how effective Garland was. This trade was a move that definitely didn't help the team, and probably hurt it.

Bob

Im not sold on him yet but a quick analysis shows that:

Over the last 15 games pitched:

He has a 1.71 ERA .197 opp. ba. 15 k's and 3 bb's.
It is likely that KW saw this and jumped on it.

Positives are that he doesn't walk batters, something NONE of our pitchers can really say with a straight face.

He is a power lefty.
He also has a power sinker.
He could be a starter.

With all that being said, his past performance hasn't said much.
To me he looks like a major league version of Jon Adkins.

Great hard stuff with no great off speed pitches to offset them.

VeeckAsInWreck
08-04-2003, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by spanishwhite

Great hard stuff with no great off speed pitches to offset them.

For a moment, I thought you were talking about Alan Embree! :D:

Hopefully Schoeneweis will learn an offspeed pitch this winter.

doublem23
08-04-2003, 01:39 AM
I'd personally take 7 lefties out of the 'pen if they were all better than any right-handers we have.

Good pitchers will get hitters out. Mark that down somewhere.

:jerry
How can I play the percentages then?

SouthBendSox
08-04-2003, 01:40 AM
nay

Bobby Howry

lowesox
08-04-2003, 03:54 AM
The problem is you're considering Marte to be a lefthanded specialist, but he's much more than that this season. A specialist usually works 1/3 inning and then departs. But Marte usually works 2 innings every time out. Right now, I think if Manuel needs a tough out (right or left) Marte is the guy.

IT's good for a playoff team to have two lefty specialists. I think Wunsch is one. So, I think picking up Shoenweis was a smart move.

MarqSox
08-04-2003, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by koch44
KW SHOULD have used the time he did to aquire a fifth starter, instead of wasting his time trading a guy who was rarely used, and could very well have been in the rotation, for another lefty in the bullpen.

From all accounts, KW just about had the 5th starter wrapped up, but it fell through at the last moment. It's not like he got Schoeneweis and said "OK, that's all we needed."

Schoeneweis makes the team better than it was, and that alone makes it a good trade.

gosox41
08-04-2003, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by doublem23
I'd personally take 7 lefties out of the 'pen if they were all better than any right-handers we have.

Good pitchers will get hitters out. Mark that down somewhere.

:jerry
How can I play the percentages then?

I agree. But righties are hitting .325 off Schoeneweis. That's hardly good.

Bob

Paulwny
08-04-2003, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by gosox41
I agree. But righties are hitting .325 off Schoeneweis. That's hardly good.

Bob

I think the BA for relievers can be misleading because there's no indication of the batters he's faced.
Starters usually go at least twice through a line up facing good to bad hitters. A reliever may come in and face the 3,4 and 5 hitters all the more difficult to get out.