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fledgedrallycap
07-30-2003, 08:40 AM
Do you think Kenny is going to pull the trigger on one more move? I have to say, the one thing this team might need is another righty coming out of the pen. Rick White looked as though he was getting himself back on track, but has been the pitcher of old his last couple calls. Don't get me started on Koch. The good news is if they can return to form, it is like trading for a pitcher w/o giving anything up (but I wouldn't wait for that to happen)

I don't believe we need another starter because teams will be going to four man rotations very, very soon.

If you were Kenny, what would you do? Or what do you think he will do?

harwar
07-30-2003, 08:47 AM
I think that he was this close> - <to pulling off a deal for Ponson.Dealing Crede along with,i heard a top pitching prospect,for Ponson,and then getting Aaron Boone(who wants out REAL bad now) from the reds.

fledgedrallycap
07-30-2003, 08:53 AM
I got the impression that he was close to something big - probably Ponson since it has been reported everywhere, but the price was to steep, and I think Crede would fit the bill on that one.

WhiteSox = Life
07-30-2003, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by fledgedrallycap
Do you think Kenny is going to pull the trigger on one more move? I have to say, the one thing this team might need is another righty coming out of the pen. Rick White looked as though he was getting himself back on track, but has been the pitcher of old his last couple calls. Don't get me started on Koch. The good news is if they can return to form, it is like trading for a pitcher w/o giving anything up (but I wouldn't wait for that to happen)

I don't believe we need another starter because teams will be going to four man rotations very, very soon.

If you were Kenny, what would you do? Or what do you think he will do?

A right-handed reliever and a starting pitcher, with the emphasis on the latter, is tops on my list.

Entering the Dog Days and the final stretch(es) of the season, do you really want a four man rotation? It never hurts to pick up a fifth starter and, he can go to the bullpen if and when he needs to.

Obviously, you want the best team you can field, and it all starts with pitching. I think a starting pitcher is more important for now. Even though you don't want to inject young pitchers into the middle of the playoff race, during September call-ups, the Sox can see who can handle it out of the bullpen and that person might be the answer. Maybe... Though I'd much rather see some veteran support for the bullpen and the starting.

fledgedrallycap
07-30-2003, 09:01 AM
This from the Cubune:

Right-hander Dan Wright has worked his way back into the White Sox's plans after his last outing at Triple-A Charlotte, a seven-inning complete game at Louisville in which he allowed three runs on just three hits.

The Sox are likely to recall him before Saturday's game at Seattle, when they will need a fifth starter.

They also will need a No. 5 starter on Aug. 12 and 17. After that, Sox general manager Ken Williams said, the club might go to a four-man rotation.

"Some of the pitchers have actually come to us and said if that's what we need to do, we can do that now," Williams said. "We don't need to do that right now. When you're talking [about needing a fifth starter] three times in the next three weeks, why upset the apple cart at this particular juncture?"

It sounds as though they plan on using the four man rotation - which I like. At this point in the season, their arms are stretched and going every fourth day isn't hard to do - bring Wright up is smart who can give you some innings, afterall he won 14 games last year.

A.T. Money
07-30-2003, 09:02 AM
I think Kenny is going to get us a starter. Hopefully it is Suppan.

jabrch
07-30-2003, 09:13 AM
I don't see him standing after making all the moves to bolster this squad. All we need is 1 more SP and we could use one more right handed reliever. (Dang Koch/Biddle)

I see KW pulling something off...

gogosoxgogo
07-30-2003, 11:03 AM
I really hope Kenny's not done. If you've read articles in the Tribune and Sun Times this morning, it states that Kenny wanted to make a deal for a starting pitcher, but thought the asking price was too steep. He was also really dissapointed when he couldn't land Williamson.

I just hope Williams is able to get something. We still need a fifth starter. We have a very tough schedule upcoming, and every game counts. We're going to need a quality fifth starter. Dan Wright is not going to cut it.

We also need a quality right hander out of the pen. Not getting Williamson really stinks, he would have been so great. I don't think we should give up though. Right now, Gordon is the only reliable right hander out of that pen. Schoeneweis is extremely inneffective against righties. I'm not sure who is still available, but we need to go get someone.

Randar68
07-30-2003, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by gogosoxgogo
I just hope Williams is able to get something. We still need a fifth starter.

For what? For three starts and some spot bullpen help? I would only do it if I didn't have to give up anything.

gogosoxgogo
07-30-2003, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Randar68
For what? For three starts and some spot bullpen help? I would only do it if I didn't have to give up anything.

I'm not looking for an ace to be our fifth starter, Randar. Suppan would be great with me. We are going to need all the help we can get. Every game matters from here on out, and we have some very tough teams to play. It's not going to hurt to stay with a 5 man rotation, even on our off days. In fact, it would probably help our 1-4 guys to have an extra day off.

The Reds Fire Sale
Supposedly, everyone is available on the Reds except Dunn and Kearns (I believe). They've got some nice bullpen arms that I would love to have. My preferences are:

Felix Heredia - 2.73 ERA - Having a very good year
Kent Mercker - 2.67 ERA - A veteran who's also having a career year
Scott Sullivan - 3.86 ERA - A veteran, who is at least consistant
Gabe White - 3.93 ERA - Injured right now, so he would have to be claimed off waivers. An injured player is always a major concern, but he had a great year last year

Randar68
07-30-2003, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by gogosoxgogo

Felix Heredia - 2.73 ERA - Having a very good year
Kent Mercker - 2.67 ERA - A veteran who's also having a career year
Scott Sullivan - 3.86 ERA - A veteran, who is at least consistant
Gabe White - 3.93 ERA - Injured right now, so he would have to be claimed off waivers. An injured player is always a major concern, but he had a great year last year

I wouldn't mind Sullivan, but Heredia, no freakin' way. STill not confident in Mercker. White, no thanks, we have a mediocre White already.

fledgedrallycap
07-30-2003, 11:30 AM
The thing is, why even waste your time getting another 5th starter. Say what you want about Wright, but he can be the fifth and I know KW is stating Showenweis won't, but if desperatly need - he can. Even Ginter can give four or five and Rauch has pitched well in AAA. Believe me, a fifth starter is not our problem. However, what the Sox desperately need is a tough righty to compliment Gordon. Flash has been brilliant, but in the case he has an off night/injury/fatigue , we need a reliable righty with some pop. I would take Heridia or Merker in a heartbeat.

Lip Man 1
07-30-2003, 11:31 AM
Those "three or four" starts could be the difference between making the playoffs or sitting home.

Without question that's worth ANY reasonable risk!

Lip

gogosoxgogo
07-30-2003, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Randar68
I wouldn't mind Sullivan, but Heredia, no freakin' way. STill not confident in Mercker. White, no thanks, we have a mediocre White already.

What's wrong with Heredia? His career stats have been pretty good, and he's been great this year. I agree with you on Mercker, but if we don't give up a true prospect for him, he's worth the risk. If we need to give up a lot, no, he's not worth it.

moochpuppy
07-30-2003, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Randar68
For what? For three starts and some spot bullpen help? I would only do it if I didn't have to give up anything.

psst......Finley.

gogosoxgogo
07-30-2003, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by moochpuppy
psst......Finley.

Finley would be great, I forgot about him. We wouldn't have to give anything up and we would get a very dependable fifth starter. I don't think he would demand a lot of money, either, seeing as how it's so late in the year now.

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So for bullpen help, who else is available that we can get? We clearly need one more reliever, but of the sellers, who can we go get?

hold2dibber
07-30-2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by gogosoxgogo
Finley would be great, I forgot about him. We wouldn't have to give anything up and we would get a very dependable fifth starter. I don't think he would demand a lot of money, either, seeing as how it's so late in the year now.

Finley hasn't pitched in nearly a year. I don't think he'd add much. It would probably take him at least 2 to 3 starts to get back into a groove and by then, the season would be just about over.

Randar68
07-30-2003, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by gogosoxgogo
What's wrong with Heredia? His career stats have been pretty good, and he's been great this year. I agree with you on Mercker, but if we don't give up a true prospect for him, he's worth the risk. If we need to give up a lot, no, he's not worth it.

Why do we need another Lefty?

gogosoxgogo
07-30-2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
Why do we need another Lefty?

Well, yes, he's a lefty, but he's a lefty who can get right handers out. He's not a specialist like Schoeneweis or Wunsch. He wouldn't be my top choice, but I think he's an option we could get for fairly cheap.