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ssang
07-04-2003, 07:10 PM
Which scenario do you THINK will occur? A) Ken WIlliams trading for a closer. B) Make Manuel use Marte as our closer. Or C) Manuel keeps this ass-clown known as Billy Koch as our pathetic closer?

Viva Magglio
07-04-2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by ssang
Which scenario do you THINK will occur? A) Ken WIlliams trading for a closer. B) Make Manuel use Marte as our closer. Or C) Manuel keeps this ass-clown known as Billy Koch as our pathetic closer?

KW is probably on the phone as we speak.

OEO Magglio
07-04-2003, 07:16 PM
KW is probably on the phone as we speak.
I sure hope so, cause if kw doesn't get somebody, I have a bad feeling koch is going to remain the closer. Boy I hope I'm wrong.

guillen4life13
07-04-2003, 07:19 PM
Get Wright a few appearances from the 'pen, then put him in as the closer. Let KW get that 5th starter.

Viva Magglio
07-04-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by guillen4life13
Get Wright a few appearances from the 'pen, then put him in as the closer. Let KW get that 5th starter.

No, DW typically has shaky first innings. He's the last pitcher that should be the closer. I say that until KW gets another closer, Flash should be the closer until he begins to blow games.

OEO Magglio
07-04-2003, 07:30 PM
I'd really like to see Flash as the closer. I'd rather him over Marte for now just so that marte can continue to be the left handed setup man, flash has had a real good fastball this year and a great curve, I think he really can do well being the closer.

jeremyb1
07-04-2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by guillen4life13
Get Wright a few appearances from the 'pen, then put him in as the closer. Let KW get that 5th starter.

i'd be in favor of that. however, i don't see how manuel can be to blame for keeping koch as the closer. he was handed to him as the closer that happens to be making 5 million a year, he can't exactly be demoted to long relief. even if he loses the closers job, jr is too cheap and our bullpen isn't deep enough for koch not to pitch in close games. it doesn't really matter if he blows them in the 7th or the 9th.

kenny messed up, he ignored the work load koch pitched last season and it has obviously caught up with him since he's throwing in the low 90s and he can't get anyone out. there's only so much damage control possible at this point.

pudge
07-04-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
i'd be in favor of that. however, i don't see how manuel can be to blame for keeping koch as the closer. he was handed to him as the closer that happens to be making 5 million a year, he can't exactly be demoted to long relief. even if he loses the closers job, jr is too cheap and our bullpen isn't deep enough for koch not to pitch in close games. it doesn't really matter if he blows them in the 7th or the 9th.

kenny messed up, he ignored the work load koch pitched last season and it has obviously caught up with him since he's throwing in the low 90s and he can't get anyone out. there's only so much damage control possible at this point.

Yeah, I'm afraid we're basically stuck with this guy, but you gotta think Kenny is fuming after making two trades and watching Koch blow a game to the D-Rays. Koch needs to be given the Glover treatment and not pitch for 11 weeks. Then let's get a real closer and send Glover down to Triple-A.

RKMeibalane
07-04-2003, 08:58 PM
I wonder if KW will tip over another buffet table.

MHOUSE
07-04-2003, 11:05 PM
What are the trade options? The only closers on the market are Urbina and Benitez. I can't imagine that Benitez will be much less of a cardiac kid than Koch. Urbina has saved 20 of Texas' 29 wins or something like that, but what would we have to give up? I don't want a closer-by-committee either. I think we're kind of stuck with Koch. I don't want to limit Marte to just late innings as he's good anywhere during the game. Gordon is the best option that we have IMO.

B. Diddy
07-04-2003, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
No, DW typically has shaky first innings. He's the last pitcher that should be the closer. I say that until KW gets another closer, Flash should be the closer until he begins to blow games.

Wright is not a closer. He's a mediocre #5 starter. We need somebody with closer experience that can be relied on.

I'd get on the phone with Anaheim and try to make a deal for Percival. We could throw in a heap of players: Koch, Konerko, and Wright. Or perhaps Wright and Garland. Whoever, I don't care. If that doesn't work, talk to Texas about Urbina. Or perhaps Cincy about Williamson or Graves.

For right now, I'd name Gordon the closer. He's got experience in that role. He's been shaky, but either he or Marte are our best options without a trade.

MHOUSE
07-04-2003, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by B. Diddy
Wright is not a closer. He's a mediocre #5 starter. We need somebody with closer experience that can be relied on.

I'd get on the phone with Anaheim and try to make a deal for Percival. We could throw in a heap of players: Koch, Konerko, and Wright. Or perhaps Wright and Garland. Whoever, I don't care. If that doesn't work, talk to Texas about Urbina. Or perhaps Cincy about Williamson or Graves.

For right now, I'd name Gordon the closer. He's got experience in that role. He's been shaky, but either he or Marte are our best options without a trade.

Williamson is shaky and I wouldn't want to give up Garland for a closer either. That would hurt our staff overall more than help it. Wright isn't a closer. He has made ONE relief appearance in his career and has a history of shaky first innings (which would be every 9th inning). I think Urbina would be the best trade option and Gordon is the best option we have without one since he has experience in that role.

ScottyTheSoxFan
07-04-2003, 11:39 PM
i say it should be flash's job. he has done well as a closer before and has pitced alright lately. a trade for a closer is nice too, but dont break the bank for one.

Thunderstruck30
07-05-2003, 12:10 AM
Let Marte close. He did a good job last year when he was a closer.

chisox56
07-05-2003, 12:54 AM
The sox should turn glover into closer and switch koch and marte off on setup, rick white can become long relief or sanders

OEO Magglio
07-05-2003, 01:20 AM
The sox should turn glover into closer
Your joking right?

SluggersAway
07-05-2003, 01:22 AM
Let's get a stellar pitcher for the #4 spot. We aren't Prospects Are Us, so let's make a deal. I think Marte can be a good closer, but Flash can do the job as well. Flash was rarely the reason the Red Sox lost games.

Brian26
07-05-2003, 01:25 AM
Just thinking out loud here...

If we converted Ed Farmer from color analyst to closer, could he go to the mound and talk the batters to sleepiness, causing them to swing late on his scorching 51 mph heater? Just brainstorming.

guillen4life13
07-05-2003, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Brian26
Just thinking out loud here...

If we converted Ed Farmer from color analyst to closer, could he go to the mound and talk the batters to sleepiness, causing them to swing late on his scorching 51 mph heater? Just brainstorming.

It actually... it should....

It COULD work!!! :gulp:

WhiteSox = Life
07-05-2003, 04:18 AM
Then, if we could get Hawk to catch, imagine what a combo that would be!

:farmer
"Yeah. Hey, you know, I remember once when..."

:hawk
"Man, don't you just loooove stories? I loooove stories! Speaking of stories, that reminds me of short stories, which reminds me of an author, which reminds me of the name Arthur. That makes me remember Chester A., which makes me think about a President. Which brings me back to the old history class and a discussion about Grover Cleveland. And Cleveland, that reminds me of Rocky Colavito. Man, that guy was great. Once he-"

"STRIKE THREE!"

Man, that would be perfect! Even Koch could strike a guy out with that juiced-up battery.

:nandrolone
"Did I hear the hyphenated word, juiced-up?"

B. Diddy
07-05-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by MHOUSE
Williamson is shaky and I wouldn't want to give up Garland for a closer either. That would hurt our staff overall more than help it. Wright isn't a closer. He has made ONE relief appearance in his career and has a history of shaky first innings (which would be every 9th inning). I think Urbina would be the best trade option and Gordon is the best option we have without one since he has experience in that role.

Williamson has 20 saves. That's far from "shaky" and better than either Koch or Gordon, who pretty much define the word. Marte could close, but we need him as a specialist against lefties, IMO.

If we could get a stud like Percival, I'd give up Garland in a minute.

voodoochile
07-05-2003, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by B. Diddy
Williamson has 20 saves. That's far from "shaky" and better than either Koch or Gordon, who pretty much define the word. Marte could close, but we need him as a specialist against lefties, IMO.

If we could get a stud like Percival, I'd give up Garland in a minute.

Trading Garland is a bad idea right now, IMO. Trading a starter (especially a young one with great stuff who seems to have finally put it all together) for a reliever is never a good idea, IMO. Wright is far more expendable, but even he would be too much, IMO.

For now they should use Gordon and Marte as a tag team closer. It is too bad Kelly Wunsch is taking so long to get healthy from his back problem or Marte could definitely work in that role. He has been as consistent a pitcher as there is in the bullpen recently.

duke of dorwood
07-05-2003, 12:35 PM
Wins atr too precious for a sub .500 team. Gordon should close for now.

JRIG
07-05-2003, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile


Trading Garland is a bad idea right now, IMO. Trading a starter (especially a young one with great stuff who seems to have finally put it all together) for a reliever is never a good idea, IMO. Wright is far more expendable, but even he would be too much, IMO.


Garland has given up 2 earned runs or less in 7 of his last 9 starts. Now is a very bad time to trade him for a "closer." I'm not that keen on Percival. He's a very good pitcer, no doubt. But I'm not sure he's a huge upgrade on Marte. Plus, Percival is incapable of pitching more than an inning and he just had to change his delivery because he has a degenerative hip condition. We've seen that story before (Jack McDowell, Paul Konerko).