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Bisco Stu
06-27-2003, 10:43 PM
So I posted a thread on this Phish board about the series this weekend, basically replicating the current WSI Soxogram, as a rallying cry to the few Sox fans on there and as a jab at the Flubs fans.

Now Phish is an East Coast band so there's an East Coast bias on this discussion board, so this one Red Sox fan says, "Hey only the RED SOX can be called the "Sox." White Sox aren't worthy of that."

Then the whole thread turned into a discussion of the Red Sox. Sigh...

Hey, I promote us when I can despite incredible odds.

Although I'll give one guy props who dissed both Sox franchises by calling them "Teams that haven't won since the Wilson Administration." He's an Orioles fan (and they have more rings (3) and pennants (6) than us and they've only existed since '54).

voodoochile
06-27-2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Bisco Stu
So I posted a thread on this Phish board about the series this weekend, basically replicating the current WSI Soxogram, as a rallying cry to the few Sox fans on there and as a jab at the Flubs fans.

Now Phish is an East Coast band so there's an East Coast bias on this discussion board, so this one Red Sox fan says, "Hey only the RED SOX can be called the "Sox." White Sox aren't worthy of that."

Then the whole thread turned into a discussion of the Red Sox. Sigh...

Hey, I promote us when I can despite incredible odds.

Although I'll give one guy props who dissed both Sox franchises by calling them "Teams that haven't won since the Wilson Administration." He's an Orioles fan (and they have more rings (3) and pennants (6) than us and they've only existed since '54).

Did you point out that the Sox have been using the name a lot longer than the BoSox?

Bisco Stu
06-27-2003, 10:55 PM
Actually, those naval-watching Dead Sox fans brought it up themselves, in discussing the history of the Dead Sox name.

WinningUgly!
06-27-2003, 11:08 PM
The White Sox are the only ones to have simply S-O-X on their jerseys. Boston always had "Red Sox". Just because the dopes on ESPN refer to the Red Sox as Sox doesn't make it their name.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-28-2003, 08:10 AM
I'm hardly surprised to hear your story, Stu. I've stated it before and I'll state it again. Red Sox fans are the most insufferable jerks this side of Yankees fans.

In fact, Red Sox fans can be even worse in their own way. While Yankee fans are simply condescending to others (they've earned the right, IMO, with 26 world championships), Red Sox fans try to be equally condescending-- and they haven't got JACK to back it up. Their history is almost as pathetic as ours, and they think they're God's gift to baseball.

And you know what else? They are the most provincial fans you'll ever meet. To hear them tell it, nothing--and I do mean NOTHING-- of consequence in the recorded history of baseball has ever occurred west of the Alleghenies. Everything in the entire world revolves around the hub that is Fenway.

Red Sox fans are the American League kin to Flubbie fans. They are waaaay too dumb to be walking around claiming they are oh sooooo smart.

Remind me never to go to the Phish board. :cool:

TornLabrum
06-28-2003, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
I'm hardly surprised to hear your story, Stu. I've stated it before and I'll state it again. Red Sox fans are the most insufferable jerks this side of Yankees fans.

In fact, Red Sox fans can be even worse in their own way. While Yankee fans are simply condescending to others (they've earned the right, IMO, with 26 world championships), Red Sox fans try to be equally condescending-- and they haven't got JACK to back it up. Their history is almost as pathetic as ours, and they think they're God's gift to baseball.

And you know what else? They are the most provincial fans you'll ever meet. To hear them tell it, nothing--and I do mean NOTHING-- of consequence in the recorded history of baseball has ever occurred west of the Alleghenies. Everything in the entire world revolves around the hub that is Fenway.

Red Sox fans are the American League kin to Flubbie fans. They are waaaay too dumb to be walking around claiming they are oh sooooo smart.

Remind me never to go to the Phish board. :cool:

Case in point about Cubs fans:

Yesterday after singing TMOTTBG, a Cubs fan sitting nearby sneared, "Huh! Really original!"

I turned to him and said, "Actually, this started here.

He condescendingly said, "Yeah, right...."

I informed him, "Actually it did start here in 1977." (I think I'm a year off on that. I think it was '76, but I'll ask Nancy today.)

At that point, our "knowledgeable" Cubs fans replied, "Yeah, with all of 5000 people in the stands."

AT that point I knew any form of intelligent exchange was impossible, so I just turned and muttered, just loud enough for him to hear, "Idiot...."

RKMeibalane
06-28-2003, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Case in point about Cubs fans:

Yesterday after singing TMOTTBG, a Cubs fan sitting nearby sneared, "Huh! Really original!"

I turned to him and said, "Actually, this started here.

He condescendingly said, "Yeah, right...."

I informed him, "Actually it did start here in 1977." (I think I'm a year off on that. I think it was '76, but I'll ask Nancy today.)

At that point, our "knowledgeable" Cubs fans replied, "Yeah, with all of 5000 people in the stands."

AT that point I knew any form of intelligent exchange was impossible, so I just turned and muttered, just loud enough for him to hear, "Idiot...."

That's really all you can do in that situation. Cubs fans are completely clueless when it comes to baseball history. To them, everything somehow ties in with Wrigley Field and Cubs baseball. Never have I encountered so many people who know so little.

T Dog
06-28-2003, 08:33 AM
[i]...Red Sox fans can be even worse in their own way. While Yankee fans are simply condescending to others (they've earned the right, IMO, with 26 world championships), Red Sox fans try to be equally condescending-- and they haven't got JACK to back it up. Their history is almost as pathetic as ours, and they think they're God's gift to baseball. ...[/B]

Still, Red Sox fans have suffered more than either Cubs or White Sox fans. The Red Sox did win their last World Series one year after the White Sox (beating the Cubs and winning the first and third games at Comiskey in 1918). But while White Sox fans can take solace in Cubbie misery and Cub fans care more about how good Wrigley Field looks when they're in a drunken stupor than winning, Red Sox fans have had to deal with the ultra-success of their closest rivals.

Cubs fans really haven't suffered at all. Certainly they haven't suffered enough.

TornLabrum
06-28-2003, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by T Dog
Still, Red Sox fans have suffered more than either Cubs or White Sox fans. The Red Sox did win their last World Series one year after the White Sox (beating the Cubs and winning the first and third games at Comiskey in 1918). But while White Sox fans can take solace in Cubbie misery and Cub fans care more about how good Wrigley Field looks when they're in a drunken stupor than winning, Red Sox fans have had to deal with the ultra-success of their closest rivals.

Cubs fans really haven't suffered at all. Certainly they haven't suffered enough.

Your first thought about Cubs fans is right. They haven't suffered at all because they don't even know that over the past five decades, their team has sucked.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-28-2003, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by T Dog
Still, Red Sox fans have suffered more than either Cubs or White Sox fans. The Red Sox did win their last World Series one year after the White Sox (beating the Cubs and winning the first and third games at Comiskey in 1918). But while White Sox fans can take solace in Cubbie misery and Cub fans care more about how good Wrigley Field looks when they're in a drunken stupor than winning, Red Sox fans have had to deal with the ultra-success of their closest rivals.

I disagree. Flubbie fans ENJOY losing. Why do you think they named their team the "lovable losers"? Red Sox fans are simply AWARE of their losing. In this respect they're no different than Sox Fans. Why Red Sox fans think they alone are entitled to special recognition for their suffering is PRECISELY what makes them so insufferable. I can't stand talking baseball with these people. They're idiots -- just like Flubs fans.

Originally posted by T Dog
Cubs fans really haven't suffered at all. Certainly they haven't suffered enough.

Ignorance is bliss, and so is being a Cubs fan. If all it takes to protect yourself from suffering is to be stupid, we should all be as lucky as they are.

Red Sox fans = Cub fans = stupid fans = insufferable fans.

jortafan
06-28-2003, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
IRed Sox fans are simply AWARE of their losing. In this respect they're no different than Sox Fans.


I actually take offense to that comparison.

the problem with Red Sox fans is they can't accept the fact that the Yankees have run a superior ballclub throughout the years. They seem to believe that if this were a just world, they would be the ones with the 26 world championships who get to lord it over the rest of the league.

We just can't understand how our team's management can be so inept that the White Sox can't win a pennant every once in awhile.

Also, it's not like a Red Sox fan of today doesn't have a clue about what the World Series is like. They do get into it every few years. It's their own fault they can't go all the way and win.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-28-2003, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by jortafan
I actually take offense to that comparison.

the problem with Red Sox fans is they can't accept the fact that the Yankees have run a superior ballclub throughout the years. They seem to believe that if this were a just world, they would be the ones with the 26 world championships who get to lord it over the rest of the league.

We just can't understand how our team's management can be so inept that the White Sox can't win a pennant every once in awhile.

Also, it's not like a Red Sox fan of today doesn't have a clue about what the World Series is like. They do get into it every few years. It's their own fault they can't go all the way and win.

Okay, so try explaining to me why ANY of this doesn't make them insufferable? If anything, you've proven my point.

Spiff
06-28-2003, 09:33 AM
George you are so wrong. Having lived around Red Sox fans my whole life I can tell you that they are nowhere near as dumb as Cub fans. They want to win, they know who's on the field, and they live and die with every game.

TornLabrum
06-28-2003, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Spiff
George you are so wrong. Having lived around Red Sox fans my whole life I can tell you that they are nowhere near as dumb as Cub fans. They want to win, they know who's on the field, and they live and die with every game.

So you're saying they're intentionally insufferable?

Spiff
06-28-2003, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
So you're saying they're intentionally insufferable?

*** how do you get that? they are just like white sox fans, except they don't bitch as much about the media.

TornLabrum
06-28-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Spiff
*** how do you get that? they are just like white sox fans, except they don't bitch as much about the media.

You're right. Instead they bemoan "the curse of the Bambino." Where do you hear Sox fans talking about the equivalent of that? Most Red Sox fans I've talked to think that their lack of a World Series Championship since 1918 is the longest of any team. This puts them in the same category as Cubs fans: either stupid or ignorant.

TornLabrum
06-28-2003, 10:06 AM
I think I'd like to add one more comment as to why Red Sox fans are the way they are. When I was a young lad taking geography, I recall that the nickname of Boston is "The Hub." Basically that meant "the center of the universe."

Well, if you think you're the center of the universe, it makes sense that you feel you have a special place in the scheme of things, whether you really do or not.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-28-2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
You're right. Instead they bemoan "the curse of the Bambino." Where do you hear Sox fans talking about the equivalent of that? Most Red Sox fans I've talked to think that their lack of a World Series Championship since 1918 is the longest of any team. This puts them in the same category as Cubs fans: either stupid or ignorant.

There isn't one single Sox Fan who wouldn't trade our "special pain and suffering" caused by our team's pathetic history for what insufferable Red Sox fans claim is their "special pain and suffering" caused by the pathetic Boston Red Sox. I can understand why Red Sox fans feel the way they do (that's what makes them insufferable) but I'll never understand in a million years how any SOX FAN could agree with them.

I never said Red Sox fans were as stupid as Cubs fans. Nobody could be that dumb, though Red Sox fans sure come close. They've never labeled their team "lovable losers" but they definitely think they're entitled to special recognition for finishing second to New York. That isn't much of a difference in my book.

Spiff
06-28-2003, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
They're idiots -- just like Flubs fans.

Red Sox fans = Cub fans = stupid fans = insufferable fans.

Red Sox fans are the American League kin to Flubbie fans. They are waaaay too dumb to be walking around claiming they are oh sooooo smart.

Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
There isn't one single Sox Fan who wouldn't trade our "special pain and suffering" caused by our team's pathetic history for what insufferable Red Sox fans claim is their "special pain and suffering" caused by the pathetic Boston Red Sox. I can understand why Red Sox fans feel the way they do (that's what makes them insufferable) but I'll never understand in a million years how any SOX FAN could agree with them.

I never said Red Sox fans were as stupid as Cubs fans. Nobody could be that dumb, though Red Sox fans sure come close. They've never labeled their team "lovable losers" but they definitely think they're entitled to special recognition for finishing second to New York. That isn't much of a difference in my book.

Ok, you say that Red Sox fans are as dumb as Cub fans, then I say that they are not because they care to win, they are knowledgable, etc. Then you say that you never said Red Sox fans were as stupid as Cub fans. Well, which is it?

Either you are talking out of both sides of your mouth, or you're splitting hairs so you can't possibly be wrong.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-28-2003, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Spiff
Ok, you say that Red Sox fans are as dumb as Cub fans, then I say that they are not because they care to win, they are knowledgable, etc. Then you say that you never said Red Sox fans were as stupid as Cub fans. Well, which is it?

Either you are talking out of both sides of your mouth, or you're splitting hairs so you can't possibly be wrong.

LMAO! I said Cubs fans and Red Sox fans were equally stupid AND insufferable. You're the one that tried to split hairs between their stupidity and insufferability! Remember writing this:

Originally posted by Spiff
Having lived around Red Sox fans my whole life I can tell you that they are nowhere near as dumb as Cub fans.

Red Sox fans are stupid AND insufferable, and in this regard they are only equaled by Flubbie fans. If you think they aren't, state so and back it up. They sure as hell can't.

Spiff
06-28-2003, 01:26 PM
I never said Red Sox fans were as stupid as Cubs fans.

Red Sox fans are stupid AND insufferable, and in this regard they are only equaled by Flubbie fans.

how am i supposed to argue you if you keep jumping around?

because i didnt include the word insufferable, then all of a sudden i was only refuting half your claim? anyone with common sense would see stupidity and insufferability go hand in hand. the point i was making, and anyone with common sense could see, was that red sox fans are more intelligent, easier to deal with, etc than are cub fans. that's all, i was not splitting hairs.

comparing white sox fans to red sox fans is a fairer comparison.

but i am done.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-28-2003, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Spiff
how am i supposed to argue you if you keep jumping around?

because i didnt include the word insufferable, then all of a sudden i was only refuting half your claim? anyone with common sense would see stupidity and insufferability go hand in hand. the point i was making, and anyone with common sense could see, was that red sox fans are more intelligent, easier to deal with, etc than are cub fans. that's all, i was not splitting hairs.

comparing white sox fans to red sox fans is a fairer comparison.

but i am done.

Claiming I'm hopping around when the very quote you used to indict me INCLUDED the insufferable comparison is the height of hypocrisy. Comparing me to Peter Gammons is a ****ing joke.

I hope you're done, because I'm afraid you're sinking fast. Typical, really.

1951Campbell
06-28-2003, 02:41 PM
Red Sox Nation loves the losing and the decades of torment, they just won't admit it. Red Sox baseball and Fenway embody everything that is New England: old, mad at the world, best days far, far in the past, provincialism, inconvient, crowded, smelly, horrible food, overpriced...most Red Sox fans would kill themselves if the Red Sox won the WS, because then they wouldn't be special and tortured anymore--and that Red Sox Nation cannot handle.