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ndgt10
06-25-2003, 07:23 PM
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Daver
06-25-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
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How can you argue with that?


:)

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 07:29 PM
It's already 1-0 Twins. I'm getting sick of this crap. One run could be enough for Joe Mays tonight. Somebody needs to wake up and start hitting. Why isn't Maggs in the lineup?

:jerry

"I wanted to get Rios in there against Mays, even though he has never faced him. Sometimes it's nice just to see what happens when you randomly arrange the lineup."

Spiff
06-25-2003, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
It's already 1-0 Twins. I'm getting sick of this crap. One run could be enough for Joe Mays tonight. Somebody needs to wake up and start hitting. Why isn't Maggs in the lineup?

:jerry

"I wanted to get Rios in there against Mays, even though he has never faced him. Sometimes it's nice just to see what happens when you randomly arrange the lineup."

Actually he's 0-6 lifetime. :gulp:

MikeKreevich
06-25-2003, 07:35 PM
If Hawk Harrelson and his echo continue to rave about the Twins, I'll have to turn the sound down. I had to do it last night.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by Spiff
Actually he's 0-6 lifetime. :gulp:

Ah. I forgot about his at-bats from earlier this season. That's actually worse than I imagined. It's nice to see that Jerry Manuel knows what he's doing. What gets me is that while Rios is 0-6 against Joe Mays, he gets to play, but Frank Thomas was forced to sit out last week, rather than face Matt Clement. Another wonderful move by Manuel.

Good grief, the Sox have the worst manager in baseball.

flo-B-flo
06-25-2003, 07:37 PM
:gulp: Sox hitters need to be patient and swing at strikes. Mays counts on deception more than plain blowing people away

ilsox7
06-25-2003, 07:38 PM
I think it's great to give Maggs a night off. He's been scuffling and sometimes a day off can do wonders. Only time will tell. Good job by Jon to limit the damage in the first too. Now we just need offense, as always.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 07:38 PM
Mays has been dominant so far. I don't think the Sox are going to win this game.

balboner
06-25-2003, 07:39 PM
What's the odds that Rios hits into a crucial DP later in this game? He's a 4-6-3 waiting to happen. Will we even get a hit this game?

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 07:42 PM
Will the White Sox hitters ever wake up and realize that they need to stay back on this guy?

Spiff
06-25-2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by balboner
What's the odds that Rios hits into a crucial DP later in this game? He's a 4-6-3 waiting to happen. Will we even get a hit this game?

maggs has already hit into 12 double plays this year, he's not much better in that respect.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 07:44 PM
It's funny to see how we struggle to get hits, while everything the twins put in play is a hit.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 07:49 PM
Sorry if this has been already talked about, but the Cleveland Indians have a guy named Coca Crisp on their team. :?:

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 07:56 PM
Harris picks up the first hit of the night. Ho-hum.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 07:57 PM
Jimenez follows with another hit. All right! Let's go Frank!

Spiff
06-25-2003, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
Sorry if this has been already talked about, but the Cleveland Indians have a guy named Coca Crisp on their team. :?:

Covelli "Coco" Crisp hit .260 last year, and is hitting .220 this year but he's pretty solid defensively (Outfield).

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 07:59 PM
Bases loaded for Daubach.

flo-B-flo
06-25-2003, 07:59 PM
Frank has nice AB to enhance inning :gulp:

soxrme
06-25-2003, 08:01 PM
Just turned on the game, thought maybe maggs was hurt so I came here. Our best hitter out against our big rivals. Bat him 5th or 6yh, not out. Dalbach keeps hitting and Konerko will get a lot of time to think about his hitting

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 08:06 PM
Valentin homers 5-1 Sox!

flo-B-flo
06-25-2003, 08:06 PM
:) Well heck yea! A GREAT INNING :gulp:

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 08:06 PM
2-1 Sox. Nice going, guys!

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 08:09 PM
:hawk

"Way back! Mohr looks up... you can put it on the board! YES!"

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 08:09 PM
Here's my impression of this thread.


- Negative
- Negative
- Negative
- Negative
- We will lose
- Rios sucks
- Here comes a Double Play
- OH CRAP, 5-1. I forgot I like the Sox.
- Yeah, Happy!
- Whoo, go!

You guys get so negative after like 3 innings, its nutty. Just watch the game.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by SoCalUIC
Here's my impression of this thread.


- Negative
- Negative
- Negative
- Negative
- We will lose
- Rios sucks
- Here comes a Double Play
- OH CRAP, 5-1. I forgot I like the Sox.
- Yeah, Happy!
- Whoo, go!

You guys get so negative after like 3 innings, its nutty. Just watch the game.

I have the feeling the score won't stay 5-1. That's what scares me.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
I have the feeling the score won't stay 5-1. That's what scares me.

Ahh, let me correct it then...after the positives comes more negatives....

We have two more baserunners on and knocked him out of the game...what more can you ask for?

I smell 3.5...or 4.5 BEHIND THE ROYALS!!!

valposoxfan
06-25-2003, 08:12 PM
But see the negativity is what makes us great. We are realistic. We know our team. We deserve to be negative after almost ninety years, and the beginning of this year.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 08:13 PM
For the record, Armando Rios is now 1-8 lifetime against Joe Mays.

flo-B-flo
06-25-2003, 08:15 PM
Now sox need a powerful performance from Jon Garland, without the "100" pitch nonsense from gandi. Was Colon really"done" or was this more 100 pitch limit crap from Manuel and Cooper?

Daver
06-25-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by flo-B-flo
Now sox need a powerful performance from Jon Garland, without the "100" pitch nonsense from gandi. Was Colon really"done" or was this more 100 pitch limit crap from Manuel and Cooper?

Don Cooper is not a big beleiver in pitch counts.

And BTW,welcome aboard :redneck

valposoxfan
06-25-2003, 08:19 PM
D'angelo is terrible. Ugh. But hey we've got a nice lead. Good inning.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 08:29 PM
RBI double by Pierzynski. 5-2 Sox.

balboner
06-25-2003, 08:30 PM
Another horrible defensive performance by the Sox so far tonight. Willie Harris should not be playing on the warning track when A.J. is up.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by balboner
Another horrible defensive performance by the Sox so far tonight. Willie Harris should not be playing on the warning track when A.J. is up.

I'm not as bothered by his position as I am by his not understanding that the ball bounces high when it hits in front of you like that.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by SoCalUIC
I'm not as bothered by his position as I am by his not understanding that the ball bounces high when it hits in front of you like that.

The Sox need to find someone who has more experience playing center field. Rowand isn't good enough, and Harris is clueless out there.

Message to Ken Williams: Find an above-average center fielder, someone who has speed and is not afraid to take a walk every now and then.

valposoxfan
06-25-2003, 08:57 PM
Sox in trouble here in the sixth. We need runs. We cannot cruise through the rest of the game. I have a bad feeling.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 08:57 PM
Damn it! 5-3 Sox after a single by Dustin Mohr.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 08:59 PM
Garland needs to pitch at least seven innings tonight. I don't want Manuel going to the bullpen too early, or else the Sox are going to find a way to screw this up.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
Garland needs to pitch at least seven innings tonight. I don't want Manuel going to the bullpen too early, or else the Sox are going to find a way to screw this up.

Well, sorry.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by SoCalUIC
Well, sorry.

Wonderful. Marte is in to face Jones.

valposoxfan
06-25-2003, 09:02 PM
Tie game. Definitely a bad feeling now. This might not be our nite.

Rocklive99
06-25-2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
Garland needs to pitch at least seven innings tonight. I don't want Manuel going to the bullpen too early, or else the Sox are going to find a way to screw this up.

I was thinking the same thing :whiner:

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:03 PM
Is Jerry Manuel capable of making a move that doesn't blow up in his face? Good grief! He knows that Marte has been struggling. He also knows that there are other pitchers in the 'pen who are well-rested, and could probably work two innings if necessary. Wake up, Jerry.

:jerry

"Zzzzzz..."

balboner
06-25-2003, 09:04 PM
Another poor defensive inning. Rios has no clue what he's doing in right field, and Harris took forever to get to that hit by Jones. Garland pitched real poor tonight, that's what happens when you cant strike out many hitters.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:04 PM
Why can't we keep scoring runs? That would be fun, eh? I wanted to have one of those fun nights where we score 10.

Jjav829
06-25-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
Is Jerry Manuel capable of making a move that doesn't blow up in his face? Good grief! He knows that Marte has been struggling. He also knows that there are other pitchers in the 'pen who are well-rested, and could probably work two innings if necessary. Wake up, Jerry.

:jerry

"Zzzzzz..."

O god, give me a break. Who did you want? Rick freaking White? You would have bitched no matter who it was if they blew the lead. Marte, struggling or not, is our best pitcher in the pen. Take a look around. We don't exactly have great arms out there.

ilsox7
06-25-2003, 09:07 PM
I wouldn't say Jon pitched real poor tonight. If the bullpen can get an out, he only gives up 2 earned runs. Alas, the bullpen couldn't get an out and we're all tied up. Game not over yet.

balboner
06-25-2003, 09:07 PM
Way too many of out hitters try to pull everything. How many times have we grounded out to first base tonight? We're making Juan Rincon look like Pedro out there. Pathetic

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:10 PM
As the manager of the Chicago White Sox, it is Jerry Manuel's responsibility to do everything in his power to give the team a chance to win every night. He has not done this, especially recently. He seems to be getting worse as time goes on.

What I don't understand is how Manuel can justifty benching soneone who is hitting well (Thomas on Saturday) when he insists on using a player who has struggled mightilty of late (Marte tonight). It doesn't make any sense. I realize that everyone on the team is giving his best out there. Everyone wants to play well. However, it is Manuel's job to know when someone's best just isn't good enough.

Jjav829
06-25-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
As the manager of the Chicago White Sox, it is Jerry Manuel's responsibility to do everything in his power to give the team a chance to win every night. He has not done this, especially recently. He seems to be getting worse as time goes on.

What I don't understand is how Manuel can justifty benching soneone who is hitting well (Thomas on Saturday) when he insists on using a player who has struggled mightilty of late (Marte tonight). It doesn't make any sense. I realize that everyone on the team is giving his best out there. Everyone wants to play well. However, it is Manuel's job to know when someone's best just isn't good enough.

Yeah, and you still haven't answered my question. Who did you want out there? Rick White? Gary Glover? David Sanders? Tom Gordon? Billy Koch? I'll take a struggling Damaso Marte any day of the week over those guys. He benched Thomas because he felt he had a better option against Clement. He doesn't have a better option in the pen than Marte. You can only do so much as a manager. Theres not a lot in the Sox pen right now.

ilsox7
06-25-2003, 09:17 PM
I don't like manuel, but I find it pretty far fetched to blame him for tonight. And it's still a tie game that we can win...

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Jjav829
Yeah, and you still haven't answered my question. Who did you want out there? Rick White? Gary Glover? David Sanders? Tom Gordon? Billy Koch? I'll take a struggling Damaso Marte any day of the week over those guys. He benched Thomas because he felt he had a better option against Clement. He doesn't have a better option in the pen than Marte. You can only do so much as a manager. Theres not a lot in the Sox pen right now.

I probably would have gone with Gordon in that situation. There is no guarantee that he manages to get out of the inning, either, but I just don't think using Marte was the best move at that point. Everything he has thrown over the past week has been hit hard. Whether his problems are the result of an injury or a problem with his mechanics, I think it would have been better to avoid putting him in the game. Marte has had an excellent season overall, but his recent struggles are reason enough to keep him out of these types of games.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
I probably would have gone with Gordon in that situation. There is no guarantee that he manages to get out of the inning, either, but I just don't think using Marte was the best move at that point. Everything he has thrown over the past week has been hit hard. Whether his problems are the result of an injury or a problem with his mechanics, I think it would have been better to avoid putting him in the game. Marte has had an excellent season overall, but his recent struggles are reason enough to keep him out of these types of games.

I don't think you can even remotely think that you can second guess a manager at that point in a game. It was a lefty situation, and you have a bunch of mediocre relievers. There's nothing one can do there.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:34 PM
Anyone else considering suicide if they have to hear about "baseball, hotdogs, apple pie and chevrolet" ???

That song is awful.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:37 PM
We need a HR by Thomas here....

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by SoCalUIC
It was a lefty situation, and you have a bunch of mediocre relievers.

I understand what you are saying, but JM has shown less of a tendency to choose his pitchers based on matchups recently. Based what I have seen, he seems to be randomly switching people around, rarely using them in the same situations on a regular basis.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:39 PM
Okay, not a HR but a single. Cmon maggs, we need a base hit...

flo-B-flo
06-25-2003, 09:39 PM
The story in this game has been the twinkie bullpen. After the 5 spot nothing for the sox just as advertised. Marte has been roughed up of late but he induced the double play in the 8th. hey folks these guys are tough

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
I understand what you are saying, but JM has shown less of a tendency to choose his pitchers based on matchups recently. Based what I have seen, he seems to be randomly switching people around, rarely using them in the same situations on a regular basis.

Sadly, I don't doubt your perception there. It may very well be random.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:43 PM
Jimenez with a HUGE baserunning error. Bases loaded 1 out. Cmon lee.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
Jimenez with a HUGE baserunning error. Bases loaded 1 out. Cmon lee.

If he hits into a DP here, he will be the ultimate goat. He has hit into so many DPs in important situations.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:45 PM
Way to go Carlos....2 outs bases still loaded

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by SoCalUIC
If he hits into a DP here, he will be the ultimate goat. He has hit into so many DPs in important situations.

Or a strikeout. Good lord.

siugrad25
06-25-2003, 09:46 PM
I have on MLB Gameday and can't see any specifics on anything but a single by Maggs to right... why didn't Jimenez score???

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:46 PM
Inning over... We are not a good team.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by siugrad25
I have on MLB Gameday and can't see any specifics on anything but a single by Maggs to right... why didn't Jimenez score???

Hmmm, no good reason. He doesn't know what he's doing, maybe.

balboner
06-25-2003, 09:47 PM
That's it, it's time we do something about Jimenez. He is the worst fundamental player I have ever seen!! Don't even get me started on his effort in the final innings of ballgames.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:47 PM
Jimenez didn't score because he is a dumb@ss. The ball was looped and obviously going to fall but he holds up and can only advance to third.

siugrad25
06-25-2003, 09:47 PM
Bases loaded one out and we can't do a damn thing.... We deserve to lose this one.... And I really thought we could have pulled this one out... Root for extra frames now..

duke of dorwood
06-25-2003, 09:47 PM
Jiminez may have the smallest amount of baseball instinct I think I have EVER seen

Jjav829
06-25-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by siugrad25
I have on MLB Gameday and can't see any specifics on anything but a single by Maggs to right... why didn't Jimenez score???

Because hes a lazy ass piece of crap. He misread the ball badly. He should have scored and we should be leading. 3 hits and no runs. Pathetic.

THE_HOOTER
06-25-2003, 09:47 PM
You can guarantee a loss after once again failing to play fundamental baseball.

I hate this team.

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 09:47 PM
Possible game winning bloop single by Magglio and that BUM is jogging to third base.

I'm tired of his laziness, I'm tired of his bad base running. If the PADRES get rid of him, what does that tell you?

I'm sick and tired of this loser.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:48 PM
Gordon's in. Game over.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:48 PM
Hmmm...

1951Campbell
06-25-2003, 09:48 PM
Three hits...no runs. Is that even possible? Chr!st!

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by THE_HOOTER
You can guarantee a loss after once again failing to play fundamental baseball.

I hate this team.

I certainly don't hate this team. They really really really frustrate me though.

:angry:

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by 1951Campbell
Three hits...no runs. Is that even possible? Chr!st!

Yes, it is. The Sox just proved it. They are setting records for mediocrity and futility.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:50 PM
Tom Gordon looks good right now. Wowzers.

FoulTerritory
06-25-2003, 09:50 PM
If nothing else, this means the "I'm getting sick of Jimenez" thread will stay on the frontpage leaderboard.

Jjav829
06-25-2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
Possible game winning bloop single by Magglio and that BUM is jogging to third base.

I'm tired of his laziness, I'm tired of his bad base running. If the PADRES get rid of him, what does that tell you?

I'm sick and tired of this loser.

As I put in my sig....Ryan Klesko was right.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:52 PM
What are the chances of us winning this game? I'm going to go with 10%.

Tragg
06-25-2003, 09:52 PM
I love those first pitch popouts with the bases loaded as well.

don't worry about Jiminez. He WILL be held accountable .

Saracen
06-25-2003, 09:54 PM
Something needs to be done about Jimenez. He's a braindead dog.

We're going to win this though.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:54 PM
Aaron Rowand is in right field. I don't think that's happened before.

:jerry

"Cool. I came up with a new lineup."

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 09:54 PM
Back to positivity.

Brand new game...let's go White Sox.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 09:55 PM
I'm sick of Hawk saying "good rip" when our hitters foul pitches off.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:55 PM
Fearless Predicition #2:

Miguel Olivo will hit a homerun.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
I'm sick of Hawk saying "good rip" when our hitters foul pitches off.

I don't mind that cliche as much. It's good to know that Sox are hitters are putting good swings on the ball. Doing that eventually leads to base hits. What I'm sick of hearing is, "He just missed it." That one drives me nuts.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 10:01 PM
No homer from Olivo, but a walk will do.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 10:02 PM
Willie Harris REALLY needs to shorten his swing.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 10:03 PM
Our hitters should do swing at the high fastball.

Fisk72
06-25-2003, 10:03 PM
and why do we keep throwing Harris to the plate, only to strike out? ARGH!

joecrede
06-25-2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by balboner
That's it, it's time we do something about Jimenez. He is the worst fundamental player I have ever seen!! Don't even get me started on his effort in the final innings of ballgames.

I don't think that was a hit Jimenez could have scored on. IMO, he did the prudent thing by stopping at third.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 10:05 PM
The Leadoff walk....

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
The Leadoff walk....

= BAD. Please get a K here.

siugrad25
06-25-2003, 10:08 PM
A DP would be nice here....

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 10:09 PM
Who else wants to see the 11th inning today?

:)

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 10:10 PM
Doesn't look good...

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 10:11 PM
If we get beat by Mientiflkdsflkj....I'll be pissed.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 10:13 PM
It is all up to pierzinskddiskdkski.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 10:15 PM
:tomatoaward

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 10:16 PM
THat was HUGE...

Saracen
06-25-2003, 10:17 PM
YES!!!

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by ndgt10
THat was HUGE...

I haven't been that excited in a while. That was really really scary. Nice hook, though. Let's get a run here.

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:18 PM
GAS CAN GORDON was one pitch away from blowing it. We're alive for 1 more inning. I have a feeling if we don't score in the 11th, we're toast.

pudge
06-25-2003, 10:18 PM
Holy cow. Gordon was pumped. I was sure before the 10th inning even started we would lose in this inning. I am shocked we didn't.

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 10:20 PM
That was a horrible effort by Jimenez.. :angry:

ndgt10
06-25-2003, 10:21 PM
Thomas or Maggs needs to go yard here for the sox to win tonight.

Saracen
06-25-2003, 10:22 PM
That was a horrible effort by Jimenez..
You can say that about every play Jimenez is involved in.

gosox41
06-25-2003, 10:24 PM
I see Koch warming up in the bullpen. You know what that means: game goes off and Bob goes and listens to music so as not to get to his heart rate up or break something around the house.

I'll catch the outcome later...probably about 7-10 minutes from now.

Bob

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
I see Koch warming up in the bullpen. You know what that means: game goes off and Bob goes and listens to music so as not to get to his heart rate up or break something around the house.

I'll catch the outcome later...probably about 7-10 minutes from now.

Bob

Well, all's well after one hitter.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-25-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by SoCalUIC
Well, all's well after one hitter.

Screw me. That was awful.

FoulTerritory
06-25-2003, 10:28 PM
I wish I was listening to music with Bob

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:29 PM
I don't wanna see ANYONE rip Billy Koch for that homerun.

If Lazyboy Jimenez f*cking runs on Magglio's single, we win that game!

spanishwhite
06-25-2003, 10:30 PM
anyone suprised?

Saracen
06-25-2003, 10:30 PM
I don't wanna see ANYONE rip Billy Koch for that homerun.
Why can't we rip both of them?

MRKARNO
06-25-2003, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
I don't wanna see ANYONE rip Billy Koch for that homerun.

If Lazyboy Jimenez f*cking runs on Magglio's single, we win that game!

IF HE'S SUCH A GOOD CLOSER, WHY DOES HE GIVE UP SO MANY RUNS?????

FJA
06-25-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
I don't wanna see ANYONE rip Billy Koch for that homerun.

If Lazyboy Jimenez f*cking runs on Magglio's single, we win that game!

Crede makes that routine throw, we might not even be talking about Lazyboy Jimenez ... ANOTHER poor showing of fundamentals.

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
I don't wanna see ANYONE rip Billy Koch for that homerun.

If Lazyboy Jimenez f*cking runs on Magglio's single, we win that game!

I agree with you on that. Homeruns happen. but there is no excuse for laziness and poor decision-making. Jimenez needs to get his rear end in gear. The sad thing is, he will probably play tomorrow. Nobody ever gets punished on this team.

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Saracen
Why can't we rip both of them?

Because it's ridiculous that the game went 11, that's why. 5-1 lead, but a nice Crede error, followed by walks, lead to a 5-5 tie. Then you can't score in the 9th when you have 3 hits???? I'm sorry, we had every opportunity to win that game, BEFORE the 11th. Minnesota was going to win that game once they tied it.

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by FJA
Crede makes that routine throw, we might not even be talking about Lazyboy Jimenez ... ANOTHER poor showing of fundamentals.

Crede should have made that play, yes. But for him that's a physical error.

Lazyboy's MENTAL mistakes will cost us games, and it already has. Crede has done quite a bit to help us (ie Cubs series).

Konerkoholic
06-25-2003, 10:34 PM
Jimenez is quickly becoming one of my least favorite players of all-time. Run home you stupid &*(%. Marte, do your damn job and get somebody out. EVERY loss in the past 2 weeks could have been a win. I am so damn sick of this team.

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by MRKARNO
IF HE'S SUCH A GOOD CLOSER, WHY DOES HE GIVE UP SO MANY RUNS?????

First of all, it wasn't a save opportunity.

Secondly, the game should have been over in the 9th. Period!

RKMeibalane
06-25-2003, 10:35 PM
Jimenez is more deserving of blame than Crede. As SoxDemon pointed out, his error was followed by walks. D'Angelo's base-running mistake came during the middle of a rally, even if can even be called that now. Besides, Crede usually does a good job defensively. Jimenez keeps making the same mistakes over and over.

Tragg
06-25-2003, 10:36 PM
Like that GM said - we are "dysfunctional".

We were mentally ready and psyched for this game - i'd be shocked if we win tomorrow.

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by RKMeibalane
Jimenez is more deserving of blame than Crede. As SoxDemon pointed out, his error was followed by walks. D'Angelo's base-running mistake came during the middle of a rally, even if can even be called that now. Besides, Crede usually does a good job defensively. Jimenez keeps making the same mistakes over and over.

Crede's positives outweigh his negatives. Jimenez is just a bonehead. Apparently, he feels his job is secure. Maybe it's time to threaten him with a replacement.

Konerkoholic
06-25-2003, 10:37 PM
Jimenez was impressive when he first came to Chicago. It's like once he got the starting job, he stopped thinking he had to play hard. I want Ray Durham back. Jimenez gets as much blame for this season as Konerko or even Jerry Manuel. This guy sucks.

FJA
06-25-2003, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
Crede should have made that play, yes. But for him that's a physical error.

Lazyboy's MENTAL mistakes will cost us games, and it already has. Crede has done quite a bit to help us (ie Cubs series).

I agree with you COMPLETELY. Just pointing out the Crede play.

ma-gaga
06-25-2003, 10:42 PM
You know, I'm watching this game as well from another perspective, but if Jimenez goes on that play I think he's thrown out...

I don't know maybe the guy can turn it on, but that shot wasn't hit very hard, or deep and it was right in front of Mohr. I think he's dead to rights if he takes off on the hit. Anyone else see the same thing?

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by FJA
I agree with you COMPLETELY. Just pointing out the Crede play.

I understand, as it did lead to a run. However a little hit here, a little hit there isn't going to cut it for Lazyboy. He needs to do the little things right if he expects to be in the 2 hole of the lineup. This is why I prefer Valentin there. If Jose is on 2nd in that 9th inning, he scores.

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by ma-gaga
You know, I'm watching this game as well from another perspective, but if Jimenez goes on that play I think he's thrown out...

I don't know maybe the guy can turn it on, but that shot wasn't hit very hard, or deep and it was right in front of Mohr. I think he's dead to rights if he takes off on the hit. Anyone else see the same thing?

I see what you're saying, but if he's reading it right, he's off to the races and likely touching third as the ball hits the ground. Especially on a secondary lead from 2nd base. He just didn't read it right...pathetic.

A.T. Money
06-25-2003, 10:46 PM
Guys,

We have to remember that this is also the BaggyDome. Think about our track record here. Look at all the games we've blown in this nightmare of a stadium. To win 2 out of 3 here is an absolute gift from God. Let's just win tomorrow to stay in the race going into the Flubby series.

jeremyb1
06-25-2003, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Konerkoholic
Jimenez was impressive when he first came to Chicago. It's like once he got the starting job, he stopped thinking he had to play hard. I want Ray Durham back. Jimenez gets as much blame for this season as Konerko or even Jerry Manuel. This guy sucks.

i think its really ridiculous that the focus is entirely on how much a guy frustrates you instead of how much he actually accomplishes. obviously no one is pleased when jimenez makes a bad play like that but everyone seems to be upset mostly because of the principle of the entire thing. my priority as a fan is winning games, period. so while i'm highly dissapointed with the fact that jimenez hasn't hit well recently, the fact that he's the third best hitter on our team and reached base multiple times tonight isn't lost on me.

what upsets me is that bill koch has an era near five, that carlos lee has a .748 ops (worst than his first half when he hit below .250 last season) after posting a .928 ops in the second half last season and that he has drawn only 20 walks after drawing 45 in the second half of last season. what frustrates me is that brian daubach is now our starting dh instead of a key bat off the bench because paul konerko isn't hitting .200, that gary glover hasn't had regular work and has an era exceeding 5, that we're paying rick white 750,000 to post an era over 7. i look at those things and i get really upset. compared to those issues, occasional baserunning blunders from a guy who has met expectations in my opinion are very very very minor.

as for jimenez's supposed attitude problems and lazyness, as i always do under these circumstances, i completely take issue with that. the fact that he makes a mental error on the basepaths or that he isn't hitting really well lately in no way shows laziness on his part. if you want to question a player's results fine but if you don't know the player personally, don't question his determination and desire that's completely unfair since you have next to no evidence to go on. everyone in our clubhouse claims he works hard so i don't see the reason to jump on the man's character just because you're frustrated he made a mistake. rowand made a similar baserunning blunder and no one can deny he appears to be one of our hardest working players whether you like him or not.

Lip Man 1
06-25-2003, 11:33 PM
An absolutely brutal loss...monstrous.

Instead of being 3 1/2 out they are 5 1/2 behind and the Twins have all the momentum for tomorrow.

The usual ingrediants for "Sox Success" were clearly evident in this one...stupid baserunning, lousy defense and an inability to score despite opportunities throughout the game. Another big inning and zip the rest of the time. Just like Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday. The Sox won three of those four but look at the number of innings where they scored and what happened for long stretches of the game. (By the way the Sox scored three runs total on Sunday and Monday)

What is of real interest to me is if Manager Gandhi actually follows through on his published "threat" last week that Sox players will now be held accountable for "fundamental" mistakes. If so then we won't be seeing D'Angelo for a long time will we?

The bottom line folks is that mistakes kill you and no one has yet to offer a rebuttal to that basic baseball fact no matter how long their posts are.

Lip

white sox bill
06-26-2003, 07:11 AM
I went to bed when Flash came in in the 10th. I knew if I stayed up late, I'd be pi**ed as hell and couldn't sleep! These boys are so preditable!