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1951Campbell
06-21-2003, 12:47 AM
...so my questions are:

At what point do you think the Royals are contenders for the Central? If they're 1 game back on, say, July 30th, are they in the hunt?

Also, a hypothetical: say the Sox are 5.5 games back on the Twins or Royals on, say July 27th...if that were the case, what do you think our chances of winning the division are?

Anyway, I don't know what to think about the Royals. The consensus seems to be that they peaked in late April and they are wounded ducks, but they're really hanging in there. The Twins seem to be langusihing. The Sox are stinking up the joint, but I have to break my own rules on optimism and recall the '78 Yankees, the '83 Sox, the Angels last year...or is that just silly? Will the Sox dump all their good players on July 30th?

I'm really Hamlet on all this stuff, forgive me. Give me your opinions.

doublem23
06-21-2003, 12:56 AM
The Royals aren't so much good as they are just benefitting from feasting on a weak division and chasing a relatively weak leader.

If only the Sox could have put it together.

voodoochile
06-21-2003, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by doublem23
The Royals aren't so much good as they are just benefitting from feasting on a weak division and chasing a relatively weak leader.

If only the Sox could have put it together.

Hey, the power of positive thinking goes a long way. The Royals now believe they have a legitimate shot at the division. They probably don't have the pitching to get it done, but expect them to hang around.

This division is up for grabs. Just because we suck doesn't mean we can't win it. The whole damn division sucks...

1951Campbell
06-21-2003, 01:04 AM
doublem23:

So it's Twins all the way?

Well, I can't come up with a much better arguement...but I just can't believe that the Twins can back into the Central with so much mediocrity again..I mean, with so much craptacular play in the Central, why not us?

Ah, too much of this...
:beer

gosox41
06-21-2003, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by 1951Campbell
...so my questions are:

At what point do you think the Royals are contenders for the Central? If they're 1 game back on, say, July 30th, are they in the hunt?

Also, a hypothetical: say the Sox are 5.5 games back on the Twins or Royals on, say July 27th...if that were the case, what do you think our chances of winning the division are?

Anyway, I don't know what to think about the Royals. The consensus seems to be that they peaked in late April and they are wounded ducks, but they're really hanging in there. The Twins seem to be langusihing. The Sox are stinking up the joint, but I have to break my own rules on optimism and recall the '78 Yankees, the '83 Sox, the Angels last year...or is that just silly? Will the Sox dump all their good players on July 30th?

I'm really Hamlet on all this stuff, forgive me. Give me your opinions.

Knowing JR, he'll have another White Flag Trade if the team is 5.5 games out at the end of July, but I think it depends on how well the team is playing.

People may not like to hear this, but if the Sox are 6 games under come the end of July, I'd dump these guys. They would have over 100 games by then for the talent to show up and things to click and they haven't. If, on the other hand, the Sox were 7 games above .500 and 5.5 games out, I'd stick with the team because the team has actually played to their potential.

Bob

pudge
06-21-2003, 12:34 PM
I personally think 5.5 is still quite a few games back. Sure, there are teams that have made bigger comebacks, but those teams showed promise, whereas our Sox of 2003 have not really shown much. Unless the Twins collapse and we are suddenly 1 or 2 games back, I'm not getting excitied. Even if we are in a dead-heat come September 1, we play the Yanks in September. Also, we tend to play down to our competition, which doesn't bode well for going on a winning streak. We need a 8-9 game streak to get back in this.

JUGGERNAUT
06-21-2003, 01:37 PM
Why not to give up.

PITCHING

AL ERA:
CHICAGO WHITE SOX #4, 4.21
minnesota twinkles #6, 4.38
kansas city royals #12, 5.02

AL SV:
minnesota twinkles #1, 20
kansas city royals #6, 17
CHICAGO WHITE SOX #11, 14

AL WHIP:
minnesota twinkles #4, 1.32
CHICAGO WHITE SOX #5, 1.32
kansas city royals #13, 1.49

AL K:
CHICAGO WHITE SOX #4, 458
minnesota twinkles #7, 434
kansas city royals #11, 386

AL BB:
minnesota twinkles #2, 193
CHICAGO WHITE SOX #11, 237
kansas city royals #12, 246

AL H: (infamous)
kansas city royals #4, 686
minnesota twinkles #9, 660
CHICAGO WHITE SOX #11, 605

What that tells me is that the SOX overall have the best pitching in the division & with Wright's & Garland's recent starts that looks to be improving to where the SOX will gain the edge in both BB & saves.

HITTING

Twinkles:
#3 avg(28), #6 runs(363), #5 rbi(349), #3 hits(712), #9 hr(74), #6 2b(138), #1 3b(25), #10 sb(36),

#6 obp(340), #5 slg(442)

Royals:
#7 avg(272), #5 runs(364), #7 rbi(335), #10 hits(658), #8 hr(76), #11 2b(128), #9 3b(13), #3 sb(49),

#5 obp(341), #7 slg(430)

CHICAGO WHITE SOX:
#13 avg(243), #13 runs(296), #12 rbi(284), #13 hits(582), #5 hr(80), #12 2b(126), #11 3b(8), #11 sb(29),

#12 obp(317), #11 slg(402)

In a word, the offense has been abysmal. However; when you are that far down, up is the only direction.

The SOX can expect an improvement in their pitching which is already the best in the division. This is why they are only 5.5 gb despite the abysmal offense. What that means is that if the SOX could just raise their OBP & SLG by say 30 pts each ( less than a 10% improvement) they would rank
#5 obp (347), #6 slg (432).

I think that would win them the division.

MHOUSE
06-21-2003, 01:41 PM
The Royals hot young pitching has collapsed and they can't win without any pitching. Even the veterans like Albie Lopez and Sean Lowe have been terrible and MacDougal has been inconsistent. Their offense is good enough to keep them close, but I think they'll battle the Sox for second place. Twins all the way.

jeremyb1
06-21-2003, 06:24 PM
i wouldn't put my money on us but i wouldn't say it isn't a possibility just because we haven't "shown" our potential. first of all i think we have shown potential, we scored over 10 runs in the third game against the dodgers, 12 yesterday, and 7 today. buehrle, garland, loaiza, and colon have all shown the potential to be dominant starters, obviously loaiza more consistently than the others. the only thing that really troubles me is the pen, but i still think glover could get on a hot streak with more regular work and ginter is currently tearing up AAA.

brewcrew/chisox
06-22-2003, 01:00 PM
What a weekend!!!

My two favorite baseball teams win....and it couldn't be against better opponents!!

First the beloved Sox beat tar out of the hated Flubs, and then the brewcrew shutup about 2,000 Twinkie fans at Miller Park yesterday.

Go Brewers....Go Sox!!!!

I luuuuuv baseball

:)

MHOUSE
06-22-2003, 03:30 PM
Yeah nice to see Wayne Franklin pitch well. He got roughed up against St. Louie. Helmsy is a beast. 2 HR! woo hoo!