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A.T. Money
05-29-2003, 03:09 PM
If Ventura makes it into the Hall, which cap do you think the Hall will put on him? Not, "WHICH CAP DO YOU WANT?" because we all know that here at WSI, we're "Totally Biased".

hold2dibber
05-29-2003, 03:15 PM
I don't think Ventura has a chance in hell of getting into the HOF. And as much as I am a HUGE fan of his as a player, I don't realy think he deserves to get in.

LuvSox
05-29-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
I don't think Ventura has a chance in hell of getting into the HOF. And as much as I am a HUGE fan of his as a player, I don't realy think he deserves to get in.

Couldn't agree more. I hope he comes back here for one more year before he retires. It kills me to see Daubach with his number.

Daver
05-29-2003, 03:23 PM
If Robin ,akes the hall it better be after Harold Baines gets in.

MHOUSE
05-29-2003, 03:34 PM
Why would you wear a Sox hat into the hall when it could be a Yankees one?

DirtySouthsider
05-29-2003, 03:37 PM
I also agree that he has NOOOO chance. But if he did, it would have to be a Sox hat....without a doubt. He spent about 9 years here and only about 2 with the Mets and 2 with the Yankees.....there is really no comparison.

Procol Harum
05-29-2003, 03:45 PM
I liked Robin, too, but there's no way in the world he deserves to make the Hall.

A.T. Money
05-29-2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by MHOUSE
Why would you wear a Sox hat into the hall when it could be a Yankees one?

He doesn't have a choice. The Hall decides which cap you wear. You can make a recommendation, but that's it.

34 Inch Stick
05-29-2003, 04:06 PM
How many different Sox hats was he around for. I would love to see someone go in with some of the bad old Sox hats.

Hullett_Fan
05-29-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by 34 Inch Stick
How many different Sox hats was he around for. I would love to see someone go in with some of the bad old Sox hats.

He could wear the "Campbell's Soup" 'C' (the one that looks like a pig tail). He wasn't around for the '83 champs rainbow jersey

Nellie_Fox
05-30-2003, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by Hullett_Fan
He could wear the "Campbell's Soup" 'C' (the one that looks like a pig tail). He wasn't around for the '83 champs rainbow jersey I always called that the "Einhorn e." It looked like a lower case script e.

I was a huge Ventura fan, but HOF caliber? No.

Mammoo
05-30-2003, 01:03 AM
Absolutely, postively no way will he ever get in to the Hall unless he buys a ticket!!!

kermittheefrog
05-30-2003, 03:25 AM
I could see him ending up in via the veterans committee since he was the best third baseman of the 90s. He wouldn't deserve it but he wouldn't be the worst player in the hall and I like him.

Dadawg_77
05-30-2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
I could see him ending up in via the veterans committee since he was the best third baseman of the 90s. He wouldn't deserve it but he wouldn't be the worst player in the hall and I like him.

Just think of all the consternation Flubbie Flock would make if Robin made and Santo didn't.

Blueprint1
05-30-2003, 10:48 AM
in my book Robin is better than Santo how many Gold Gloves does Robin have? its 3rd base and Robin was the best of the 90's in all of baseball

doublem23
05-30-2003, 02:11 PM
As big a fan as I am of Robin's... He doesn't belong in the Hall.

Ventura23Fan
05-30-2003, 06:49 PM
I love Robin, but where the bar is currently set for 3B, I don't know how anyone can even make a case for him. The most recent 3B in the Hall are Mathews (500+ HR), Robinson (16 GG - not only the most at 3B, but I believe tied for the most at any position), Schmidt (500+ HR), and Brett (3000+ H). Boggs (3000+ H) will also likely get in. Now, if Santo gets in, and Robin has a few more good years and surpasses alot of Santo's numbers, then you could make a case for him.

WinningUgly!
05-30-2003, 10:38 PM
He's a shoe in for the College Baseball HOF...if there is such a thing. :?: He was named the Collegiate Player of the Decade for the 1980s by Baseball America.

Forget about Cooperstown!

Ol Aches & Pains
05-31-2003, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by Blueprint1
in my book Robin is better than Santo how many Gold Gloves does Robin have? its 3rd base and Robin was the best of the 90's in all of baseball

Ventura was my favorite player in the 90's, but he was not better than Santo. Santo was a 9 time all star, and won 5 gold gloves in a row, not to mention 342 home runs and 1331 RBI. in 15 seasons. Ventura as of the end of last year was at 275 home runs and 1099 RBI after 14 seasons. If Santo's still waiting 25 years after becoming eligible, I don't think Robin's getting in anytime soon.

MRKARNO
06-01-2003, 12:12 AM
If there is a debate about Frank Thomas, who's put up some of the best Slugging numbers in the 90's, then there wont be a debate about ventura, he's not going to the hall.

Ventura23Fan
06-01-2003, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Ol Aches & Pains
Ventura was my favorite player in the 90's, but he was not better than Santo. Santo was a 9 time all star, and won 5 gold gloves in a row, not to mention 342 home runs and 1331 RBI. in 15 seasons. Ventura as of the end of last year was at 275 home runs and 1099 RBI after 14 seasons. If Santo's still waiting 25 years after becoming eligible, I don't think Robin's getting in anytime soon.

I don't think it is fair to compare Ventura and Santo based on the number of seasons that they played. Robin's numbers were hurt by the strike in '94-'95 and his ankle injury in '97. I would compare the two based on the number of AB they had. If you look at HR/AB and RBI/AB, Robin is a little better. He also has 1 more GG. The one number he will not match Santo on is All Star appearances. If Santo ever gets in the Hall and Ventura has a few more decent seasons and surpasses most of Santo's numbers, I think you could make a case for him then. As it stands now, I don't see how one could argue Robin is worthy of the HOF.

Ol Aches & Pains
06-01-2003, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Ventura23Fan
Robin's numbers were hurt by the strike in '94-'95 and his ankle injury in '97.

We'll never know how much Santo's numbers were hurt by playing his entire career with diabetes.

guillen4life13
06-01-2003, 10:27 PM
I don't know if Ventura can be considered the best 3B of the '90's. That honor could arguably belong to Chipper Jones, though he only played for half of the decade... so maybe he doesn't count.

RKMeibalane
06-01-2003, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by guillen4life13
I don't know if Ventura can be considered the best 3B of the '90's. That honor could arguably belong to Chipper Jones, though he only played for half of the decade... so maybe he doesn't count.

I think Matt Williams was probably the best third baseman of the 90's. Ventura certainly deserves to be mentioned among the better third baseman in baseball for that time span, but I don't think he was as good as Williams.

doublem23
06-02-2003, 02:22 AM
You know, I don't know how clear gone of a conclusion it is that Matt Williams was a better third baseman than Robin. Clearly, he was a better power hitter, but overall, the numbers show that aside from that, they were very, very even.

Ventura (1990-99) = .278 BA/.369 OBP/.452 SLG/.821 OPS; 203 HR, 854 RBI, 16 SB, 762 K, 741 R, 6 Gold Gloves ('91, '92, '93, '96, '98, '99*)

Williams (1990-99) = .278 BA/.324 OBP/.487 SLG/.810 OPS; 300 HR, 960 RBI, 43 SB, 994 K, 774 R, 4 Gold Gloves ('91, '93, '94, '97*)

*years in which both were in the same league, competing for the same award. Though, Robin missed about 2/3 of 1997 with that horrific ankle injury.

Not a very clear cut case. Personally, I don't think either of them truly deserves to be in the Hall, but if I had to pick, I think I could make just as strong a case for Robin as I could for Matt Williams, especially if he wins a ring with the Yankees this year or next.

Nellie_Fox
06-02-2003, 03:28 AM
You're right; neither belongs in the Hall.

Grobber33
06-02-2003, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by SoxDemon
If Ventura makes it into the Hall, which cap do you think the Hall will put on him? Not, "WHICH CAP DO YOU WANT?" because we all know that here at WSI, we're "Totally Biased".

Remember,they have changed the rules.The HOF now decides which Cap the Player wears,the Player no longer gets that choice(tho they can have input).Gary Carter should go in as an Expo,but they may put him in as a Met since the Expos will move by 2005. Also,Reggie Jackson should have been in as an Oakland A,not a Yankee.He won 3 titles and 5 Divisions with Oakland than he did with the Pinstripes(2 Titles & 3 Divisions),was with Oakland longer,and is a Bay Area Native. Steinbrenner PAID Reggie mucho $$$$ to go in as a Yankee and that's why Reggie buried the hatchet with George. The Hall changed the rules so Owners can no longer buy off players to enter the Hall in a certain Cap. I wish Fisk had gone in as a White Sox Player,but even with the new rules,they would have put him in wearing a Boston Cap.

Hangar18
06-02-2003, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Ol Aches & Pains
We'll never know how much Santo's numbers were hurt by playing his entire career with diabetes.

We'll also never know how much his numbers
were hurt by playing his entire career with the Cubs

LuvSox
06-02-2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Hangar18
We'll also never know how much his numbers
were hurt by playing his entire career with the Cubs

hehehe :)