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Dadawg_77
05-20-2003, 10:13 AM
The White Sox opponents have hit the ball 506 times in the air, and White Sox pitching has given up 51 homers. Thus there have been 455 fly ball in play. If we assume that ratio between pop up to the infield will be the roughly the same as last year, and between teams, you can compare the percentage of fly ball the of catches. Last year the White Sox OF caught 71% of fly balls in play. The Angels got to 77% and the Twins shag 69% (Hunter hammy hurt them last year). This year the Sox OF has made the out on 61% of the fly balls in play.

I think I copied the wrong stat ground ball instead of Fly Balls. Below is the spreadsheet I put together.
IP H BB HB E PA K PAIP OBP on PAIP W L ERA FB G/F OFPO HR FB PO
1 Oak 382 311 137 17 29 1640 249 1237 27.49% 26 17 3.18 414 1.36 248 39 66.13%
2 Sea 383 362 135 15 22 1683 262 1271 30.21% 28 15 3.69 510 0.93 354 46 76.29%
3 NYC 395 409 107 13 28 1742 321 1301 33.59% 28 16 3.8 471 1.11 307 28 69.30%
4 Twins 391 360 117 14 25 1689 271 1287 29.91% 25 18 3.89 492 0.99 325 46 72.87%
5 Ana 371 379 137 17 25 1671 250 1267 31.89% 21 21 4.29 487 0.94 307 51 70.41%
6 CWS 379 383 151 19 30 1720 263 1287 32.09% 20 24 4.51 441 1.16 288 54 74.42%
7 Det 367 386 137 13 30 1667 195 1322 31.47% 9 33 4.63 398 1.36 290 38 80.56%
8 KC 377 393 148 21 35 1728 248 1311 32.65% 24 18 4.63 421 1.34 267 43 70.63%
9 Bal 384 402 130 22 26 1732 262 1318 32.47% 19 24 4.71 422 1.3 262 39 68.41%
10 Clev 381 408 148 21 36 1756 220 1367 32.48% 15 28 4.79 440 1.26 279 46 70.81%
11 Bost 399 429 151 19 31 1827 305 1352 34.02% 27 17 4.84 446 1.26 299 42 74.01%
12 Tor 397 448 143 19 38 1839 285 1392 34.91% 23 22 5.24 459 1.28 291 62 73.30%
13 TB 388 428 164 21 34 1811 210 1416 32.63% 18 25 5.27 531 1.01 344 57 72.57%
14 Texas 383 438 187 19 32 1825 300 1319 35.63% 19 24 5.77 416 1.27 268 51 73.42%

LuvSox
05-20-2003, 10:21 AM
Lay off Carlos! He's really a third basemen.

MHOUSE
05-20-2003, 10:26 AM
Carlos' defense had improved the last 2 years, but last week or so he has been terrible. Daubach is just godawful. He's slow, can't pick up the ball, and has no arm. I'm surprised he only has 1 error. We need help.

LuvSox
05-20-2003, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by MHOUSE
Daubach is just godawful. He's slow, can't pick up the ball, and has no arm. I'm surprised he only has 1 error.

He has only one error because he has "Sosa skills." If you can't get to the ball, you can't drop it.

dickallen15
05-20-2003, 10:50 AM
Lee is a DH, Daubach is a DH, Ordonez is a corner outfielder. Harris is an infielder, Rowand came up a corner outfielder. It is a complete and utter failure and disgrace by the GM not to have a legitimate centerfielder not only on the major league roster, but in the minors as well. Borchard is a corner , Rios should be a DH.
This whole regime needs to be replaced by someone with a vision and a plan and a clue.

xil357
05-20-2003, 11:09 AM
... just going by the percentages...

If the Sox indeed are catching 61 percent of 455 fly balls, then that is 278 times they prevented a new runner from reaching base.

If the Sox caught fly balls at a 71 percent rate, as they did last season, so far they would have prevented 323 runners from reaching base -- 45 fewer base runners than now or an average of one hit per game.

If the Sox caught fly balls to the outfield at a 77 percent clip, like last years Angels, so far they would have prevented 350 runners from reaching base -- 72 fewer base runners than now, or an average of 1.6 hits per game.

The limited range in the outfield, coupled with Valentin's shaky SS defense and Jiminez's limited range at 2B, really hurts.

Extending innings with fly ball hits that should be outs increases the number of pitches our starters have to throw, making it more likely Manuel has to turn to the pen early, meaning Rick "Gas Can" White or Tom "Flash Fire" Gordon turns a close game into a blowout. So, our hitters, who are struggling anyway, step up to the plate pressing to crack a three-run homer and either strike out or hit into a double play.

Also, notice who among Sox starters is doing reasonable well -- Colon and Loaiza -- pitchers who get strikeouts. They don't rely on good defense as much as the rest of the staff. On a similar note, how much better would the rest of the staff be with better defense to back them up? (Also notice how the Cubs win without great defense -- they have several strikeout starting pitchers.)

On a similar note, since it is not JM but rather KW who makes roster moves and free agent signings, could Manuel be turning to White just to expose him for the horrible reliever he is in the hopes that KW will release him?

Dadawg_77
05-20-2003, 11:32 AM
Some more info,

Sox have pitched 379 innings, given up 383 hits, walked 151, hit 19 batters, commited 30 errors and struck out 263 batters in 1720 batters faced (IP*3+H+BB+HB+E). Out of those times where the the ball has been put into play the batter reached safely 32% of the time ((H+E)/(Batters faced-K-BB-HB). Not sure how this compares to other teams yet.

jeremyb1
05-21-2003, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by MHOUSE
Carlos' defense had improved the last 2 years, but last week or so he has been terrible. Daubach is just godawful. He's slow, can't pick up the ball, and has no arm. I'm surprised he only has 1 error. We need help.

i get frustrated that people don't cut carlos a little bit more slack considering that he hadn't played the outfield more than a month or so prior to being called up to the majors. he has made major strides the last few years and played an outstanding game in the field tonight.