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Vsahajpal
05-13-2003, 02:58 AM
According to Moneyball, Michael Lewis' book on Billy Beane, Ken Williams wanted to draft Joe Blanton with the 18th pick, but settled for Royce Ring, when Beane let it be known to KW, that "he ain't gonna get him." Apparently the Sox worked out a deal with Ring; the A's took Nick Swisher instead at #16, and drafted Blanton at 24 (6 spots after the Sox took Ring).


The A's second first-round pick is #24, followed rapidly by 26, 30, 35, 37, and 39. Billy has agreed with Erik and Paul to use #24 SS John McCurdy...The White Sox come on the line. "Here goes Blanton, " says Billy."

When Kenny Willaims told Billy that the Sox were taking Blanton, Billy couldn't but agree that is showed disturbingly good judgement. Blanton was the 2nd best pitcher in the draft, in Billy's view, behind Stanford pitcher Jeremy Guthrie.

A White Sox voice crackles on the speakerphone: "The White Sox selects redraft number 0103, Ring, Roger. Left-handed pitcher. San Diego State University. La Mesa, California."

"You fu**ing got to be kidding me!" hollers Beane, overjoyed..."Ring over Blanton? A reliever over a starter?" Then it dawns on him: "Blanton's going to get to us." The second best right-handed pitcher in the draft.

DrCrawdad
05-13-2003, 07:30 AM
Why didn't the Sox draft Blanton? It probably wasn't sign ability since Oakland drafted Blanton. Maybe KW is following in the draft philosophy of his predecessor.

DrCrawdad
05-13-2003, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by Vsahajpal
According to Moneyball, Michael Lewis' book on Billy Beane...[/i]

The Sun-Times had a piece when the Sox went out to Oakland about "Moneyball". I haven't seen the book, except for a quote from it here or there, but KW was none too happy with the unflattering portrayal of KW.

Vsahajpal
05-13-2003, 09:01 AM
I just received the book from Amazon yesterday, and couldn't put it down. Great read.

Apparently, KW called Beane and tried to find out who the A's were taking with the 16th pick. Beane was all over tOSU's CF Nick Swisher, the Sox at 18 wanted Blanton. Mets GM Steve Phillips wanted LHP Jeff Francis, but after the Rockies bungled up negotiations with OF Denard Span (Twins pick at #20), they took Francis. So Beane figured the Mets would take Swisher, and he'd have to settle for Blanton. KW asked about Blanton's potential availability at 18, and Beane shot back "You ain't getting him" and hung up. Apparently KW thought the A's were drafting Blanton, so they worked out a deal with Ring.

Here's the A's draft board (they had 7! first round picks last year):

Pitchers::

Jeremy Guthrie (22nd overall, CLE)
Joe Blanton (24th, OAK)
Jeff Francis (9th, COL)
Luke Hagerty (32nd, CHC)
Ben Fritz (30th, OAK)
Robert Brownlie (21st, CHC)
Steven Obenchain (37th, OAK)
Bill Murphy (3rd round, OAK)

Hitters:

Nick Swisher (16th, OAK)
Russ Adams (14th, TOR)
Khalil Greene (13th, SDP)
John McCurdy (26th, OAK)
Mark Teahan (39th, OAK)
Jeremy Brown (35th, OAK)
Steve Stanley (2nd round, OAK)
John Baker (4th, OAK)
Mark Kiger (5th, OAK)
Brian Stavisky (6th, OAK)
Shaun Larkin
Brant Colamarino

Vsahajpal
05-13-2003, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
The Sun-Times had a piece when the Sox went out to Oakland about "Moneyball". I haven't seen the book, except for a quote from it here or there, but KW was none too happy with the unflattering portrayal of KW.

Didn't really read anything unflattering about KW. Although his name is mentioned more than any other GM I saw (apart from Ricciardi of course), because during the time, he wanted Cory Lidle. And then there was the Ray Durham deal (which Beane termed a "Fu^%ing A deal, because when other teams see it, they'll say Fu^%ing A!) And then of course the Corey Bradford saga.

gosox41
05-13-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Vsahajpal
According to Moneyball, Michael Lewis' book on Billy Beane, Ken Williams wanted to draft Joe Blanton with the 18th pick, but settled for Royce Ring, when Beane let it be known to KW, that "he ain't gonna get him." Apparently the Sox worked out a deal with Ring; the A's took Nick Swisher instead at #16, and drafted Blanton at 24 (6 spots after the Sox took Ring).


The A's second first-round pick is #24, followed rapidly by 26, 30, 35, 37, and 39. Billy has agreed with Erik and Paul to use #24 SS John McCurdy...The White Sox come on the line. "Here goes Blanton, " says Billy."

When Kenny Willaims told Billy that the Sox were taking Blanton, Billy couldn't but agree that is showed disturbingly good judgement. Blanton was the 2nd best pitcher in the draft, in Billy's view, behind Stanford pitcher Jeremy Guthrie.

A White Sox voice crackles on the speakerphone: "The White Sox selects redraft number 0103, Ring, Roger. Left-handed pitcher. San Diego State University. La Mesa, California."

"You fu**ing got to be kidding me!" hollers Beane, overjoyed..."Ring over Blanton? A reliever over a starter?" Then it dawns on him: "Blanton's going to get to us." The second best right-handed pitcher in the draft.


If this is true, it sickens me how stupid KW really is. It's clear the Sox wanted to work out a draft day deal on the cheap, which is fine. They probably could have had Blanton cheap if they would have kept their options open. If not, why didn't the Sox negotiate with Blanton on a deal. It would have been understood that if he were taken before the Sox got a chance to nab him then any deal would obviously be null and void.

Instead, KW was outwitted again. As soon as he heard Beane had an interest in Blanton he immediately switched course, not realizing that GM's do bluff and try to play people as suckers...especially KW.

So KW goes and works out a deal with Ring and the Sox waste a pick on a reliever. Becuase of that fact, I am wiling to bet that the Sox could have signed Ring for the SAME exact money if they just picked him and signed him instead of working out a deal before the draft. Ring is a college reliever. He isn't worth a first round pick. Instead, KW failed to keep his options open and was totally outmanuevered yet again by the great Billy Beane.

Bob

Hangar18
05-13-2003, 10:48 AM
**Sighs** Another reason in the ever so growing list of reasons on why KENNY MUST GO

Randar68
05-13-2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by gosox41
If this is true, it sickens me how stupid KW really is. It's clear the Sox wanted to work out a draft day deal on the cheap, which is fine. They probably could have had Blanton cheap if they would have kept their options open. If not, why didn't the Sox negotiate with Blanton on a deal. It would have been understood that if he were taken before the Sox got a chance to nab him then any deal would obviously be null and void.

Instead, KW was outwitted again. As soon as he heard Beane had an interest in Blanton he immediately switched course, not realizing that GM's do bluff and try to play people as suckers...especially KW.

So KW goes and works out a deal with Ring and the Sox waste a pick on a reliever. Becuase of that fact, I am wiling to bet that the Sox could have signed Ring for the SAME exact money if they just picked him and signed him instead of working out a deal before the draft. Ring is a college reliever. He isn't worth a first round pick. Instead, KW failed to keep his options open and was totally outmanuevered yet again by the great Billy Beane.

Bob


This same messiah of GM's also traded us a potential star catcher with 5 tools for a specialist reliever.

hmmmmm. That's not the steal Beane still tries to make it out to be. At least not one in Oakland's favor.

gosox41
05-13-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
This same messiah of GM's also traded us a potential star catcher with 5 tools for a specialist reliever.

hmmmmm. That's not the steal Beane still tries to make it out to be. At least not one in Oakland's favor.

From Oakland's perspective it was still a good move. They got a quality middle relieve which is what they needed right now. Hernandez is their catcher, whether he'll be better then Olivo is another issue. Oakland is trying to win now. They gave up potential for pretty decent quality.

On the flip side, the Sox trade a statistically better pitcher in Foulke for Koch with the logic that Foulke was going to leave after this season anyways. So what do the Sox do? They sign the worse pitcher for 2 years.

Bob

Vsahajpal
05-13-2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
This same messiah of GM's also traded us a potential star catcher with 5 tools for a specialist reliever.

hmmmmm. That's not the steal Beane still tries to make it out to be. At least not one in Oakland's favor.

True, no mention of Olivo, I'd have liked to have read Beane's take on him.

The book does seem to exaggerate some details. For example, Beane supposedly asks the Sox for Magglio Ordonez in the Cory Lidle deal, and the writer makes it seem as though the Sox had to mull that over before rejecting it. I find that hard to believe.

pudge
05-13-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Vsahajpal
True, no mention of Olivo, I'd have liked to have read Beane's take on him.

The book does seem to exaggerate some details. For example, Beane supposedly asks the Sox for Magglio Ordonez in the Cory Lidle deal, and the writer makes it seem as though the Sox had to mull that over before rejecting it. I find that hard to believe.

Hmm.. frankly Beane sounds like an egotistical pr#ck, and his team hasn't exactly won the World Series yet, so maybe he should just cool his jets.

I'm not a huge KW fan but I have a hard time believeing he's a total moron.

gosox41
05-13-2003, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by pudge
Hmm.. frankly Beane sounds like an egotistical pr#ck, and his team hasn't exactly won the World Series yet, so maybe he should just cool his jets.

I'm not a huge KW fan but I have a hard time believeing he's a total moron.

I don't have a hard time believing KW is a moron. Look at his actions.

As for Beane being egotistical, I'd bring him to Chicago in a second if I were owner of this team. His team has 2 years of 100+ winning seasons in one of the touighest divisions in baseball on a $40 mill. payroll

Bob

WhiteSoxWinner
05-13-2003, 11:44 PM
Heck of a draft by the A's. I like to follow the Cougars, and a lot of those guys are playing in Kane County, who are now 13 games over .500 after today's loss. It will be tough when some of these guys make it to the majors and plays against the beloved Sox. Maybe KW can swipe a few more like he did Olivo...