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Lip Man 1
04-16-2003, 03:56 PM
Here's a sampling of what is being said on The Sporting News radio network about last night...

Scott Wetzel had both the Royals right fielder and the umpire on. Neither one blamed the Sox saying it was fans who were drunk. neither one had any real solutions to the problem.

I called in to state that the moron's financee' was interviewed and she said he was a Cubs fan who was drinking heavily at the afternoon Cubs / Reds game and that maybe MLB should stop scheduling day / night games in markets with two teams (New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco). Scott didn't think it was a good idea because of the difficulty of scheduling the way it is right now. So I countered by saying fine then in Chicago if both teams have to play on the same date, both games are at night (or in the afternoon) to prevent some fans from loading up on beer at two games.

Scott earlier also brought up an interesting point. He said when he was covering the Yankees and they had all the trouble with fans in the bleachers throwing stuff like batteries and running on the field, it became unspoken but commen knowledge that those fans were escorted under the stands and had the **** beat out of them by security. After a period of time the word got out and that solved the problem in New York.

Wetzel also took a rip at the Cubs saying that "Cub fans who are snickering out there at the White Sox need to remember the fight in the stands in 2000 and Randy Myers getting attacked on the mound in 1996 by a 24 year old bond trader. The trader probably was mad because he bet on the Cubs and Myers was blowing the game."

Tim Brando in his usual pompous uneducated self stated the Sox organization is at fault, blamed management totally and said since this has happened twice, if another incident occurs they should lose the All Star Game. Joe Buck the Cardinals announcer said he can't understand what the problem is but that he also could see the game being moved.

Personally I'd LOVE to see the Sox lose the game because it might be the final straw to drive Reinsdorf out of town but I also realize that many fans still care about the old timers popularity contest so that probably wouldn't be a good thing for the city.

By the way has anybody noticed that the Cubs are now in first place? Why do I have the feeling it's going to be 1984 all over again.

Anyway that's a sample of what's being said as of 2 PM MST.

Lip

Kilroy
04-16-2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Personally I'd LOVE to see the Sox lose the game because it might be the final straw to drive Reinsdorf out of town but I also realize that many fans still care about the old timers popularity contest so that probably wouldn't be a good thing for the city.

Why the hell do you even come here? I have never in all the years of coming to this site encountered a supposed fan so negative as you. Find another team to cheer for since you hate this one so much. Wishing the Sox lose the all-star game so that you can take another shot at Reinsdorf?? Good frickin GOD!

You are not a fan of the White Sox, and any attempts to further the lie that you are will be ignored from now on.

Tavarin
04-16-2003, 04:03 PM
Calm down Kilroy, Reinsdorf is a plague to this team, and he should take some blame for what happened. I would like to see him gone by a different way, but he needs to go. Lip isn't a fan of Reinsdorf, he is a fan of the White Sox though

Kilroy
04-16-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Tavarin
Lip isn't a fan of Reinsdorf, he is a fan of the White Sox though

He hasn't proven that by me.

THE_HOOTER
04-16-2003, 04:05 PM
Lip,

I heard you on the Sporting News, and you never once mentioned switching both games to the day or night!


Who are you crappin?


If you hate the ownership and want the Sox to lose the All Star game, switch over to another team.


I am sick of your stupid posts.

Lip Man 1
04-16-2003, 04:36 PM
"I'm sick of your stupid posts..."

Just wondering:

Are you also sick of the monthly Sox interviews and the historic audio clips? Are you sick of the historical columns like on SportsVision?

I'd be happy to turn those over to you guys to do since you think it's apparently easy.

Just let me know when you want to take over. Here's my e-mail mliptak1@ida.net

Let me know when you want to start. I'd be happy to accomodate you.

And I did talk about rescheduling games (both day or night) with Wetzel's producer who screens the calls, if you recall we were up against the break when I finally got on and had to speed through things. I got on the air at two minutes before the break at 40 minutes after the hour.

Thank you for playing.

Try again when you know something about the broadcasting business.

Lip

Hullett_Fan
04-16-2003, 04:55 PM
I was in the LF bleachers last night and one of the 1st things I thought is that this can't look good for a ballclub/park/city that is supposed the All-Star game this year and wondered what MLB's next step will be. They probably won't take the game away, but there will be long term consequences if this behavior continues:

1) Contraction
2) Moved to Nashville, Indy, Charlotte, etc.

What owner (once Jerry's out) would want to keep the team here if it 1) doesn't make a profit 2) draws 15-20,000 a game and 3)the fans that do come pose a threat to players/umpires/fellow fans.

We're all good Sox fans, but we've got to admit that US Cellular/Comiskey draws a larger percentage of delinquents, ex-cons and people with emotional disorders than most other MLB parks. Rip me if you want, but I've seen it myself and been to many parks.

Yeah, the guys that ran on the field last night may have started drinking at Wrigley during the day and may even be Cubs fans...but they didn't attack the ump at Wrigley...they did it at the Cell where they believe (true or not) they're surrounded by people that support crap like this.

THE_HOOTER
04-16-2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
"I'm sick of your stupid posts..."

Just wondering:

Are you also sick of the monthly Sox interviews and the historic audio clips? Are you sick of the historical columns like on SportsVision?

I'd be happy to turn those over to you guys to do since you think it's apparently easy.

Just let me know when you want to take over. Here's my e-mail mliptak1@ida.net

Let me know when you want to start. I'd be happy to accomodate you.

And I did talk about rescheduling games (both day or night) with Wetzel's producer who screens the calls, if you recall we were up against the break when I finally got on and had to speed through things. I got on the air at two minutes before the break at 40 minutes after the hour.

Thank you for playing.

Try again when you know something about the broadcasting business.

Lip

SORRY MY FRIEND, BUT ACCORDING TO YOUR POST YOU SAID YOU COUNTERED WITH THE IDEA. NOW YOU CLAIM TO HAVE SAID IT TO THE PRODUCER.

I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT A THING OR TWO, AND YOU FLAT OUT EXXAGERATED IN YOUR POST, IF NOT LIED.

AND REGARDING YOUR ARTICLES, I NEVER ONCE COMPLAINED-TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH I AM HESITANT TO READ ANYTHING OF YOURS DUE TO YOUR CONSTANT RAGGING ABOUT OWNERSHIP.


THANK YOU FOR PLAYING.

hold2dibber
04-16-2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by THE_HOOTER
Lip,

I heard you on the Sporting News, and you never once mentioned switching both games to the day or night!


Who are you crappin?


If you hate the ownership and want the Sox to lose the All Star game, switch over to another team.


I am sick of your stupid posts.

Calm down Hootie. If you don't hate ownership, I question your sanity and your allegiance to the team. This ownership has made disasterous decision after disasterous decision and has alienated the core Sox fans for 20 years. Hell, I'd trade the AS game for a committed, financially well-off, creative, perceptive ownership group in a HEART BEAT.

And back off the b.s. personal attacks- if you don't like Lip's posts then try to point out any inaccuracies or faulty reasoning or opinions you disagree with, but personal attacks are way out of line. Despite Lip's overly (IMHO) pessimistic point of view, I think he brings a lot to the board.

Hullett_Fan
04-16-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
Calm down Hootie. If you don't hate ownership, I question your sanity and your allegiance to the team. This ownership has made disasterous decision after disasterous decision and has alienated the core Sox fans for 20 years. Hell, I'd trade the AS game for a committed, financially well-off, creative, perceptive ownership group in a HEART BEAT.

And back off the b.s. personal attacks- if you don't like Lip's posts then try to point out any inaccuracies or faulty reasoning or opinions you disagree with, but personal attacks are way out of line. Despite Lip's overly (IMHO) pessimistic point of view, I think he brings a lot to the board.

Well put!!! :smile:

czalgosz
04-16-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
Calm down Hootie. If you don't hate ownership, I question your sanity and your allegiance to the team. This ownership has made disasterous decision after disasterous decision and has alienated the core Sox fans for 20 years. Hell, I'd trade the AS game for a committed, financially well-off, creative, perceptive ownership group in a HEART BEAT.

This team has never had an ownership group anything close to what you describe. I can count on one hand the number of teams in all of professional sports that have ownership groups that look like that.

If Santa Claus showed up and offered to buy the team, hell, I'd support it, but I'm not going to hold my breath. As it stands, I'm not going to devote a lot of time and energy into worrying about it.

What makes me laugh is how many of the same people who cry out for the head of Jerry Reinsdorf are the ones who have fond memories of Bill Veeck, who was the most inept owner this team has ever had, who killed the Sox' chances at greatness in the '60s, but hey, he had goofy promotions, so who cares?

I'm against personal attacks myself, but when everything that happens to this team turns into a call for new ownership, it gets old. Let me know when you guys want to stop complaining and wishing for imaginary histories and futures and want to start talking baseball.