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moochpuppy
03-14-2003, 11:58 AM
Check out #3

Best right fielder in baseball? (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=165)

How the Hell could they leave off Ordonez?!? :angry: Larry Walker and Shawn Green?!? Give me an F'ing break!

Hangar18
03-14-2003, 12:12 PM
Im reading that, your not Kidding. Thats Ridiculous....
beginning to question ESPN's abilities to analyze..

czalgosz
03-14-2003, 12:14 PM
Suzuki doesn't belong there, nor does Green. The others you can certainly argue for. Larry Walker's a really good hitter, when he's healthy.

thecell
03-14-2003, 12:38 PM
What a joke. Maggs was in the top 5 in most of the biggest offensive categories among all of MLB. He should have been at least included in the poll.

jeremyb1
03-14-2003, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by thecell
What a joke. Maggs was in the top 5 in most of the biggest offensive categories among all of MLB. He should have been at least included in the poll.

it must have been an oversight. there's no way they can be that stupid.

delben91
03-14-2003, 01:38 PM
Yeah, but CNN/SI may even one up ESPN with this one. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/2003/spring_training/preview/twins/)

A quote from the "Bottom Line" section:

Unless you believe Bartolo Colon automatically makes the Chicago White Sox legit contenders, Minnesota should find it a breeze to stay atop the AL Central. Fifty-six games against Detroit, Kansas City and Cleveland gives the Twins an easier summer than the school kids on vacation.

Guess we may as well just phone it in now guys. Somebody tell Selig we're just going to forfeit the season.

kermittheefrog
03-14-2003, 01:45 PM
Do you guys really think Shawn Green isn't on Magglio's level? The guy did hit 49 homers playing half his games at Dodger stadium in 2001 and his 2002 wasn't too shabby either. If I had to make a call on the top five rightfielders in baseball it'd be Bobby Abreu, Magglio, Green, Sosa and Guerrero. That wasn't in any particular order. Guerrero is the best and you can argue about the other four.

Hullett_Fan
03-14-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by delben91
Yeah, but CNN/SI may even one up ESPN with this one. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/2003/spring_training/preview/twins/)

A quote from the "Bottom Line" section:



Guess we may as well just phone it in now guys. Somebody tell Selig we're just going to forfeit the season.


CNN is stupid. What, don't the Sox play 56 games against Detroit, KC and Cleveland also?

I'm fine with all these 'expert's picking the Twins...they're wrong more often then they're right. Last year, NO ONE picked the Angels. NO ONE picked the Twins. NO ONE picked SF.

FanOf14
03-14-2003, 01:53 PM
I think it's funny that soso is up there. offensively, he has the numbers (how they are achieved is a different story), but defensively he's a joke.

czalgosz
03-14-2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
Do you guys really think Shawn Green isn't on Magglio's level? The guy did hit 49 homers playing half his games at Dodger stadium in 2001 and his 2002 wasn't too shabby either. If I had to make a call on the top five rightfielders in baseball it'd be Bobby Abreu, Magglio, Green, Sosa and Guerrero. That wasn't in any particular order. Guerrero is the best and you can argue about the other four.

I don't like Green, but that's more my bias against really streaky hitters. But as a player, he's got more power than Ordonez, but that's pretty much his entire game. His high walk totals are more because he's got a weak lineup around him than because he's got good patience.

moochpuppy
03-14-2003, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
Do you guys really think Shawn Green isn't on Magglio's level? The guy did hit 49 homers playing half his games at Dodger stadium in 2001 and his 2002 wasn't too shabby either.

You're right Kermit. Green does deserve to be up there. I was just so shocked that Maggs wasn't there. Here are some of the defensive numbers:

Green:
Games = 1137
PutOuts = 2229
Assists = 70
Errors = 33
FieldingPercentage% = .986
Salary = $13 million

Ordonez:
G = 788
PO = 1546
A = 54
E = 22
FP = .986
S = $6.5 million

Walker:
G = 1606
PO = 3516
A = 196
E = 50
FP = .987
S = $12.6 million

Sosa:
G = 1875
PO = 3920
A = 132
E = 116
FP = .972
S = $15 million

Guerrero:
G = 880
PO = 1727
A = 76
E = 80
FP = .958
S = $8 million

Best all around outfielders: Green, Ordonez
Best bargan: Ordonez, Guerrero
Best defensive: Green, Walker, Ordonez
Best offensive: Sosa, Guerrero

Another interesting thing about these players is that when their power numbers increased, their stolen bases decreased except for Guerrero. Over the last two seasons Guerrero's power numbers have dipped 5-10 HR's while his SB have gone from 14 into the 30s.

PaleHoseGeorge
03-14-2003, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
it must have been an oversight. there's no way they can be that stupid.

Don't underestimate them.

:)

hose
03-14-2003, 02:30 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hullett_Fan
[B]CNN is stupid. What, don't the Sox play 56 games against Detroit, KC and Cleveland also?



No, the Sox play Detroit, KC and Cleveland 57 times.

The first 19 games of the season for the Sox will be against those 3 teams.

doublem23
03-14-2003, 03:11 PM
Guerrero and Ichiro are the best defensive right fielders in the game.

moochpuppy
03-14-2003, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by doublem23
Guerrero and Ichiro are the best defensive right fielders in the game.

HUH?? Guerrero's fielding percentage is only .958.

doublem23
03-14-2003, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by moochpuppy
HUH?? Guerrero's fielding percentage is only .958.

I'm of the "Errors are a Sucky Stat" camp.

:D:

He's got an arm like none in the game right now.

ssang
03-14-2003, 04:30 PM
Jesus guys! Who cares if ESPN.com put Mags on a poll or not. Ya'll are acting like it's a big surprise that the Sox don't get any love. How many times do we have to bitch about not getting the props that the Sox and some of their players deserve? I say this is not post-worthy. Anyone else tired of the complaining about our lack of attention in the media?

Dadawg_77
03-14-2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by ssang
Jesus guys! Who cares if ESPN.com put Mags on a poll or not. Ya'll are acting like it's a big surprise that the Sox don't get any love. How many times do we have to bitch about not getting the props that the Sox and some of their players deserve? I say this is not post-worthy. Anyone else tired of the complaining about our lack of attention in the media?

exactly, all the names on there are known by common fans. Mags isn't yet.

Daver
03-14-2003, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by doublem23

He's got an arm like none in the game right now.

Have you ever seen Joe Borchard throw a baseball?

kermittheefrog
03-14-2003, 05:39 PM
Oh man... that was Light Tower Power.

TheBigHurt
03-14-2003, 09:02 PM
ohh well WHATDA GONNA DO gotta move on

StepsInSC
03-14-2003, 09:14 PM
Vladdy makes some amazing plays but then he beefs up the routine ones.

Dadawg_77
03-14-2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by StepsInSC
Vladdy makes some amazing plays but then he beefs up the routine ones.

I still put him in my OF any day.