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Herbal
03-11-2003, 01:54 PM
I caught the end of a piece on ESPN 1000 with Dan Patrick and Bruce Levine. It had something to do with the Sox and random steroid testing. I got the impression that at least some of the Sox tested positive on purpose to try to meet the league-wide 5% minimum positive to force mandatory testing.

Anybody have any more information?

Randar68
03-11-2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Herbal
I caught the end of a piece on ESPN 1000 with Dan Patrick and Bruce Levine. It had something to do with the Sox and random steroid testing. I got the impression that at least some of the Sox tested positive on purpose to try to meet the league-wide 5% minimum positive to force mandatory testing.

Anybody have any more information?

I caught the end and wasn't really sure what they were talking about... anyone hear it????

czalgosz
03-11-2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Herbal
I got the impression that at least some of the Sox tested positive on purpose to try to meet the league-wide 5% minimum positive to force mandatory testing.

Um, yeah, on purpose...

moochpuppy
03-11-2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by czalgosz
Um, yeah, on purpose...

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. :?:

FanOf14
03-11-2003, 02:31 PM
From what I heard 16 of 25 refused to take it initially (they ended up taking it anyways). A refusal counts as a positive, but there is no punishment. If 5% of the league is on the juice, they will institute the random testing policy. the 16 refused because they want the testing instituted, or at least that is what I read...

Where I read this... (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-whitesox&msg=15175.1&ctx=0)

OfficerKarkovice
03-11-2003, 03:33 PM
Steroid Testing (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0311/1521844.html)

A stand up action by whatever players were involved. Sounds to me like Frank may have had something to do with this. He has been very vocal in support of steroid testing in the past and recently made a comment about it also.

gosox41
03-11-2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice
Steroid Testing (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0311/1521844.html)

A stand up action by whatever players were involved. Sounds to me like Frank may have had something to do with this. He has been very vocal in support of steroid testing in the past and recently made a comment about it also.

I'm glad the players refused to take the test at first. Too abd they couldn't tell Orza to go f*** himself. What I found interesting is that the players union lawyer, Gene Orza convinced them to take the test. This from a union that is so concerned with a players privacy and their rights not to be tested. Why the sudden switch. I thought the union would stand by a players right to privacy. Unless of course the union knows (like everyone else does) that there is a serious steroid problem in baseball and they don't want to tarnish their image.

I wonder if Sammy is going to take his test. Of course he does look thinner this year then in previous years. He'll start juicing up by July when the testing is all done.


Bob

jeremyb1
03-11-2003, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice
Steroid Testing (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0311/1521844.html)

A stand up action by whatever players were involved. Sounds to me like Frank may have had something to do with this. He has been very vocal in support of steroid testing in the past and recently made a comment about it also.

i think this is amazing. an incredible standup move by our players. also shows some team unity and leadership most likely from frank. wonderful.

RKMeibalane
03-11-2003, 04:13 PM
I'm sure the media will put a negative spin on this. I'm anticipating some cheap shots from ESPN and Jay Mariotti. It should be interesting to see how this plays out.

kevingrt
03-11-2003, 04:17 PM
I really think Jay will take blows at us not ESPN Radio though. It's an interesting story, but I'm proud of the Sox players for standing up for their beliefs!

RKMeibalane
03-11-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by kevingrt
I really think Jay will take blows at us not ESPN Radio though. It's an interesting story, but I'm proud of the Sox players for standing up for their beliefs!

I was referring to the parent ESPN station, located in Brostol, CT. I too am proud to see that it is the White Sox who are taking a stand and doing the right thing. Forcing manditory testing will help to resolve some of the problems in Major League Baseball.

Hangar18
03-11-2003, 04:49 PM
I think this was something he may have talked to the other players about.....Wish They wouldve done it.......People wouldve talked about this Team for Years......some Positive Coverage from the media, instead of where Dusty will get his toothpicks or Darrens uniform size

FanOf14
03-11-2003, 04:51 PM
I am sure Thomas was a part of it, but until it comes out, no one can be sure one way or the other who started it/led it. With that thought, what about the other 15 players?

Check out www.msn.com (http://www.msn.com) and look under ESPN sports. I love the title for the article about what the Sox did...

jeremyb1
03-11-2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by FanOf14
I am sure Thomas was a part of it, but until it comes out, no one can be sure one way or the other who started it/led it. With that thought, what about the other 15 players?

Check out www.msn.com (http://www.msn.com) and look under ESPN sports. I love the title for the article about what the Sox did...

i don't think you can expect all the players on the rosters to classify themselves as steroid users. all of the players would have had to enter a treatment program. i don't think you can blame anyone who wasn't interested. i think that fact that 16 players were willing to go to that lenght is amazing in its own right.

jeremyb1
03-11-2003, 05:20 PM
hmm. so much about my team unity theory

the plan to bypass testing did not sit well with some members of the White Sox, who were vocal in their opposition to the strategy. Many of the players opposed to the block of 16 cited the number of young players who followed veterans in eschewing testing.

"If you are a player who wants to stand for that, fine, but don't implicate young players," White Sox catcher Sandy Alomar said. "They said some of the veterans asked them not to do it. If you are a veteran guy and you don't want to do it, that is fine. The young guys do what they are told. They want to support the veteran guys."

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0311/1521844.html

Dadawg_77
03-11-2003, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
hmm. so much about my team unity theory



http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0311/1521844.html

I think that shows team unity though. Sandy is saying he guys I understand you point but try not to take the kids with you.

If the 5% target is hit that means more testing not less. That is why the union wanted the Sox to take the test.

wassagstdu
03-11-2003, 08:26 PM
Bravo Sox! Anyone know who the 16 were?

Huisj
03-11-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by FanOf14
I am sure Thomas was a part of it, but until it comes out, no one can be sure one way or the other who started it/led it. With that thought, what about the other 15 players?

Check out www.msn.com (http://www.msn.com) and look under ESPN sports. I love the title for the article about what the Sox did...


let's go renegades! the renegade white sox. has a nice ring to it, makes 'em sound tough.

Hangar18
03-11-2003, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Huisj
let's go renegades! the renegade white sox. has a nice ring to it, makes 'em sound tough.

They should have Dennis DeYoung do commercials for these "renegades" he heh

StepsInSC
03-12-2003, 07:15 AM
Frank Thomas was one of them.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-whitesox-drugtesting&prov=ap&type=lgns

I've always been proud to be a Sox fan, but now I have another reason to be.

FanOf14
03-12-2003, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
i don't think you can expect all the players on the rosters to classify themselves as steroid users. all of the players would have had to enter a treatment program. i don't think you can blame anyone who wasn't interested. i think that fact that 16 players were willing to go to that lenght is amazing in its own right.

Um, the other 15 I was refering to were the 15+FT...

Bobby Thigpen
03-12-2003, 08:27 AM
This would have been an excellent move by those 16 Sox. They're probably just sick and tired of working their butts off the right way only to have the juiced players win all the titles, awards (BONDS), and admiration (SAMMY). I think the whole current testing method is crap and that baseball should definitely enforce stricter testing methods.

GOOD JOB SOX!! :D:

valposoxfan
03-12-2003, 02:02 PM
This is a valiant stand by those 16 White Sox players. I'm sure that Gene Orza was not very congenial when telling Kelly Wunsch to take the tests. Baseball is horrified of drug testing. Apparently Selig was very very angry when he heard what the Sox tried to do. Very shady folks. Very shady. I don't understand why Alomar is bitching about the method the Sox are using to protest. He says the younger players were forced into this. I'm sorry but they could have said they didn't want to go along and could have taken the tests. Alomar needs to shut his mouth. Back to MLB for a second. This league thrives off of the home run and that is why they promote the hell out of Sosa. If drug testing comes about, home run numbers will drop. Selig is terrified of this. Players may actually have to learn how to hit. What a concept. Selig needs to go NOW. Baseball is dying under him.