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TornLabrum
03-08-2003, 11:05 AM
A caller to Les Grobstein and Tommy Williams' show on ESPN-1000 a few minutes ago raised an interesting point. There will be plenty of Sox tickets on sale from ticket brokers as the season progresses because the same thing probably happened here that happened in Milwaukee.

The brokers bought up all kinds of season ticket packages so they'd have All-Star Game tickets to (legally) scalp. Apparently there were all kinds of tickets available on ebay for Brewers home games last year.

LuvSox
03-08-2003, 11:44 AM
I hope they're cheaper some how. 40$ for club seats?!?!?!? I can see a concert at that money pit Tweeter Center for less.

Hangar18
03-08-2003, 12:02 PM
Ticket "Brokers" are SCUMBAGS. its going to make it that much harder to buy tickets to a game now....

T Dog
03-08-2003, 12:38 PM
So if I drive down from Wisconsin and hit the ticket window for a weekend game, I could end up sitting in the upper deck with a view of patches of blue in the lower bowl?

voodoochile
03-08-2003, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by T Dog
So if I drive down from Wisconsin and hit the ticket window for a weekend game, I could end up sitting in the upper deck with a view of patches of blue in the lower bowl?

Depends on how strict the security is. For big games that are traditionally sell outs (Flubbies, HO) the security checks tickets downstairs to see if you have a LD ticket, but that adds to the price of running the stadium, so it won't be there every week. Buy your ticket and sit where you want to - like always.

Also, the price for ticket brokers will drop as game time approaches. You could try one on the morning of the game to see if you can pick up seats cheap. Some of them have walk up windows and there is also "hot tix" downtown where they sell seats to events that are happening that day for below face (though I don't know if they do sports events or not).

Try calling a couple of ticket brokers and getting a feel for what they are charging. They may be more reasonable than you think with only a small up-charge to cover "expenses" for less popular games...

baggio202
03-08-2003, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by T Dog
So if I drive down from Wisconsin and hit the ticket window for a weekend game, I could end up sitting in the upper deck with a view of patches of blue in the lower bowl?

here is a little tip..this has worked for me a few times...if you see a patch of blue and security stops you..just say you know the guy sitting right down there (and point to where you want to sit) and just want to say hi...if you get down there and security is still looking just bump into the guy and say excuse me and offer you hand..he will shake and thats all the security gaurd needs to see...then just sit down and watch the game and have a few :gulp:

FanOf14
03-09-2003, 11:07 AM
The funny part about ebay is that there is some ceiling on what they can take for the tickets. Ebay claims they enforce it but considering the cost of some tickets there, they seem to pick and choose when they enforce it. Brokers make me sick. Maybe it's me, but it seems illegal to do what they are doing - buying tickets and selling them for more than face value (isn't that scalping?). I have never and will never use a ticket broker.

TornLabrum
03-09-2003, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by FanOf14
The funny part about ebay is that there is some ceiling on what they can take for the tickets. Ebay claims they enforce it but considering the cost of some tickets there, they seem to pick and choose when they enforce it. Brokers make me sick. Maybe it's me, but it seems illegal to do what they are doing - buying tickets and selling them for more than face value (isn't that scalping?). I have and will never use a ticket broker.

In Illinois our General Assembly in its infinite wisdom (and knowing how this state works in response to well-placed "contributions"), made it legal for businesses to scalp tickets while it is still illegal for us ordinary folks.

In other words, if you have a lot of money, you can make a lot more, but if you just want to make a couple of bucks on a ticket, you can go to jail.

Soxboyrob
03-09-2003, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Ticket "Brokers" are SCUMBAGS. its going to make it that much harder to buy tickets to a game now....

"Scumbags" is probably a little harsh for someone using our capitalistic economic system to earn a few bucks. It won't be harder to get them at all, really. Many of those tickets purchased by brokers will be available outside the park and at deeply discounted prices. I make a regular habit of buying from the many ticket "agents" on the west side of the RR tracks on 35th St. They usually will sell me box seats for $10 if it's not a high demand game. Unless you're bringing a large group or going to a big-ticket game (Cub/Sox, Yank/Sox), you're really just better off seeing what you can pick up outside the park anyway. On many many occasions, I've had fans just hand me a couple of extras and tell me they didn't need any cash for them since they got them for free anyway. Check it out for yourself.

voodoochile
03-09-2003, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
In Illinois our General Assembly in its infinite wisdom (and knowing how this state works in response to well-placed "contributions"), made it legal for businesses to scalp tickets while it is still illegal for us ordinary folks.

In other words, if you have a lot of money, you can make a lot more, but if you just want to make a couple of bucks on a ticket, you can go to jail.

Technically speaking the brokers aren't scalping. They are charging for the service of bringing together two people who want to sell a ticket for face value - which is still legal. Thus they are allowed to charge for that service.

It's all legal mumbo-jumbo...

TornLabrum
03-09-2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Technically speaking the brokers aren't scalping. They are charging for the service of bringing together two people who want to sell a ticket for face value - which is still legal. Thus they are allowed to charge for that service.

It's all legal mumbo-jumbo...

And if I have an extra ticket and want to charge more than face value, I'm not allowed to charge for the service. Yup...mumbo-jumbo. As we've seen with our last governor, everything in Springfield is for sale, so why NOT tickets?

voodoochile
03-09-2003, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
And if I have an extra ticket and want to charge more than face value, I'm not allowed to charge for the service. Yup...mumbo-jumbo. As we've seen with our last governor, everything in Springfield is for sale, so why NOT tickets?

The funny thing is that if you have a ticket which is in high demand, you can contact a ticket broker and have them sell it for you for above face value. Then they take 20% off the top in commission. Now why is that legal?

Soxboyrob
03-09-2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
And if I have an extra ticket and want to charge more than face value, I'm not allowed to charge for the service. Yup...mumbo-jumbo. As we've seen with our last governor, everything in Springfield is for sale, so why NOT tickets?

Actually, Hal, if you want to set yourself up as a broker in the state, I'd imagine you can legally sell them at a premium. They just want to make sure they're getting their taxes on your profits.

Soxboyrob
03-09-2003, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
The funny thing is that if you have a ticket which is in high demand, you can contact a ticket broker and have them sell it for you for above face value. Then they take 20% off the top in commission. Now why is that legal?

For the same reason it's legal to go down and gamble at the local riverboat, while it's illegal to gamble in your buddy's basement. It's because the brokers and the casinos and set up and registered as such and are probably more likely to pay taxes on their profits than you or I are.

cornball
03-09-2003, 03:31 PM
For what it is worth, in Florida it is illegal to sell tickets over face value by anyone.....I only know this from having extra Gator Bowl tix this year.

PaleHoseGeorge
03-09-2003, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by cornball
For what it is worth, in Florida it is illegal to sell tickets over face value by anyone.....I only know this from having extra Gator Bowl tix this year.

Now you wouldn't have any first-hand experience with the practical enforcement of that Florida law, would you Corn?

:)

Iwritecode
03-09-2003, 05:52 PM
The best way for a non-ticket broker to sell tickets over face value is to give them away for free when someone purchases something else for way too much money. I saw this alot on Ebay in 2000 for Sox playoff tickets. There were people selling balls, CDs, pieces of notebook paper, etc... for hundreds of dollars. The fact that they were throwing in playoff tickets for free was just an added bonus... :D:

voodoochile
03-09-2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Iwritecode
The best way for a non-ticket broker to sell tickets over face value is to give them away for free when someone purchases something else for way too much money. I saw this alot on Ebay in 2000 for Sox playoff tickets. There were people selling balls, CDs, pieces of notebook paper, etc... for hundreds of dollars. The fact that they were throwing in playoff tickets for free was just an added bonus... :D:

Have to be a little careful with that one, because you have to pay taxes on the profit. So, if you sell a piece of notebook paper for $500 you have to pay taxes on the whole $500 - which eats into the profit margin on the 4 "free" playoff tickets you are giving away.