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Unregistered
03-04-2003, 03:16 PM
Let's get it started...in sunny "Surprise" Arizona...

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 03:27 PM
Top Second, 0-0 (first inning went quick...and i missed it.)

Ordonez singles.
Borchard singles up the middle, ordonez to second.
Crede hits into a DP to the shortstop, Ordonez to third, 2 outs.
Rios hits a single to left, Ordonez scores. 1-0 Sox.
Alomar flies out to left center.

Bottom 2, 1-0 Sox


Due Up:

Palmiero
Blaylock
Nixon

delben91
03-04-2003, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered

Crede hits into a DP to the shortstop,

Crede seems to be in a bit of a funk in the early going. Nice to see the two out RBI by the Sox though.

doublem23
03-04-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by delben91
Crede seems to be in a bit of a funk in the early going. Nice to see the two out RBI by the Sox though.

I wouldn't consider the first three games of the new year a funk.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 03:37 PM
(These Rangers announcers are insanely annoying.)

Bottom 2nd, 1-0 Sox

Dan Wright pitching.

Palmiero walks.
Blaylock hits a single past Frank, Palmiero to second.
Nixon hits a single to right, Palmiero scores. Game tied 1-1.
Einar Diaz strikes out.
Young hits a 2 run double to right. 3-1 Rangers.
(Wright's Fastball is not fooling ANYONE)
Young on 2nd, 1 out.
Glanville hits a double to right, Young scores. 4-1 Rangers.

Lip Man 1
03-04-2003, 03:38 PM
A small point (I wouldn't want to make Andrew The Genius angry at me...)

Sox have men on first and second with no out. Crede's job is to GET THEM OVER. What does he do? He tries to pull a pitch and hits into a double play. The Sox needed a bloop hit just to get a single run.

Same situation for the Rangers in the last of the 2nd. What does their hitter do with men on first and second?..gets a single to right even if it was a ground ball instead of a hit the Rangers still have guys on 2nd and 3rd.

Fundamentals folks....divisions are won and lost by them.

I see Dan Wright is having mucho problems again. But don't worry... (it's only spring LOL)

By the way these announcers are awful.

Lip

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 03:43 PM
(Still Bottom of the second, 4-1 Rangers)

Glanville on second, 1 out.
Lamb grounds out on a nice play up the middle by Nunez. throw pulls Frank off the bag but he makes the tag to get the out.
Glanville on 3rd, 2 outs.
A-Rod walks. 1st and 3rd, 2 outs.
Juan Gonzales hits a double to left center, A-Rod and Glanville score.
6-1 Rangers.
Announcers noting that AGAIN, Wright is getting killed with his fastball.
The Rangers have batted around in the second.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 03:46 PM
Top of the 3rd, 6-1 Rangers.
Wright getting Wrocked.

MetalliSox
03-04-2003, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1


By the way these announcers are awful.

Lip

Yes they are. I do like the no commercials thing though.

I keep thinking my feed is getting cut off, but nope. These two guys just don't wanna speak for a few seconds.

cheeses_h_rice
03-04-2003, 03:52 PM
Is this game on TV?

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 03:53 PM
Top 3rd

Ryan Drese Pitching to Einar Diaz (I think the Rangers are to the Indians like the Brewers are to us...)

Nunez grounds out to A-Rod, 1 out.
Jimenez singles up the middle, 1 on, 1 out.
Rowand singles up the middle, Jimenez to second. 2 on, 1 out.
Frank Thomas pops it up on the infield, 2 outs.
Ordonez flies out to left. end of inning.

Bottom 3. 6-1 Texas.

FanOf14
03-04-2003, 04:02 PM
I hope the bats wake up, I wouldn't mind see a huge inning here and there.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:06 PM
Wright's Line: 2 IP, 6 R, 5 H, 2 BB, 3 K (well done, Danny)

Bottom 3rd, 6-1 Rangers.

Josh Stewart Now Pitching:

Blaylock lines out to Rios. 1 out.
Nicks walks, 1 on, 1 out.
(and the announcers talk about how well the Rangers did despite their 70-92 record... "it was a tough division"... blah blah blah. Now they're going on about how the White Sox and Rangers are very similar teams, blah blah blah..)
Diaz flies out to center. 2 outs, 1 on.
Young hits a Double over the head of Ordonez, Nicks scores. 7-1 Rangers.
Glanville reaches on an infield single to the Shortstop Nunez... Scored an Error. (apparently it was a good stop up the middle, but he couldnt do anything with it...) 1st and 3rd, 2 outs.
Rios makes a diving play in left center field to save a run and end the inning.

Top 4th, 7-1 Rangers.

Stewart's Line: 1 IP, 1 R, 1 H, 1 BB, 0 K

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:09 PM
Top 4th. 7-1 Rangers.

R.A. Dickey (good name) Pitching:

Borchard swings on the first pitch and flies out to Glanville in Right. 1 out.
Crede grounds out to A-Rod. 2 outs.
Rios hits a line drive to second. 3 outs.

Bottom 4, 7-1 Rangers.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:12 PM
ok, let me just point out that this radio feed is AWFUL. The feed just cut out and I am now getting a DIAL TONE (!?) and just had an operator pick up and say "if you'd like to make a call..." Am i the only one getting this? Someone needs to get it together over there....

sox_fan_forever
03-04-2003, 04:16 PM
Yeah, I got that too. It's back now though. Apparently they were having some kind of technical difficulties.

fuzzy_patters
03-04-2003, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
ok, let me just point out that this radio feed is AWFUL. The feed just cut out and I am now getting a DIAL TONE (!?) and just had an operator pick up and say "if you'd like to make a call..." Am i the only one getting this? Someone needs to get it together over there....

If anybody stopped listening, the game is back on, and they appologized for techincal difficulties.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:17 PM
Ok, we're back.

Stewart pitching and the Rangers go down in order in the bottom of the 4th. yay.

Top 5th, 7-1 Rangers.

Rocklive99
03-04-2003, 04:17 PM
I got the same thing (Dial tone and operator) and just x-ed out.

Are these Rangers announcers are MLB announcers, because the website says it is on MLBRadio, which should make them unbiased.

FanOf14
03-04-2003, 04:18 PM
What's going on with the offense (or the lack thereof)?

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:21 PM
Top 5th,


Alomar leads off with a single to center. 1 on, 0 out.
Jorge Nunez singles to right, Alomar to second. 2 on, 0 out.
(Let's see how we blow this opportunity...)

fuzzy_patters
03-04-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Rocklive99
I got the same thing (Dial tone and operator) and just x-ed out.

Are these Rangers announcers are MLB announcers, because the website says it is on MLBRadio, which should make them unbiased.

These are MLB announcers. That's why they seem clueless about some of the players on both teams. One guy is Brian McRae, so they have the ex-Cub factor to overcome.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Rocklive99
Are these Rangers announcers are MLB announcers, because the website says it is on MLBRadio, which should make them unbiased. They certainly know a lot about the Rangers farm system and have cute little nicknames for all the Rangers players, meanwhile knowing NOTHING about the white sox, except for the fact that they think the Central is the Twins on top, then the sox, royals, tigers and indians lumped together. Also, they think that if the Rangers were in the central, they'd have a shot at winning the division. (of course they would...)

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:29 PM
Top 5, 7-1 Texas.

Jimenez grounds out to second, just beating the double play. runners on the corners, 1 out.
Rowand hits a single up the middle, Alomar scores, Jimenez to second. 7-2 Rangers.
Thomas walks, and the bases are loaded with 1 out.
(Sounds like a good crowd cheering on the sox considering they are "away" at Suprise, Arizona...)
Ordonez singles to left, Jimenez scores. 7-3 Rangers. Bases Loaded, 1 out.

A.T. Money
03-04-2003, 04:29 PM
The announcer was almost upset the Rangers didn't get the force out at 3rd on Magg's single.

Homers.

czalgosz
03-04-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
Also, they think that if the Rangers were in the central, they'd have a shot at winning the division. (of course they would...)

Why is it that every year people think the Rangers are a good team, when they never are?

BTW, that's a new spring record for runs... slam for Borchard.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:30 PM
7-3 Rangers. Bases Loaded, 1 out.
BORCHARD HITS A GRAND SLAM!
(WOW, I HEARD THAT ONE)

TIED AT 7!

A.T. Money
03-04-2003, 04:30 PM
Borchard with a HUGE BLAST!

I could tell that was gone based on the sound.



You can put it on the boooooooooooard......

sox_fan_forever
03-04-2003, 04:31 PM
Grand Slam for Borchard! Tied at 7 now...

thecell
03-04-2003, 04:31 PM
borchard with the grand salami!!! 7-7

Pete_SSAC
03-04-2003, 04:33 PM
Good. JB is making it hard for JM to keep him off the team, isn't he?

- Pete, who wishes he could hear the game, but is at school right now.

pudge
03-04-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by thecell
borchard with the grand salami!!! 7-7

I'm glad we got four people reporting that grand slam. :)

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:34 PM
TOP 5TH, 7-7

Orel Herschieser's big talk with R.A. Dickey before LTP came up was obviously a HUGE help...

Crede flies out to left. 2 outs.
(The sox have batted around in the 5th)
Rios flies out to left. end of inning.

a Six run 5th.. not bad.

7-7, Bottom of the 5th.

seventytwo
03-04-2003, 04:34 PM
So, you guys are saying Joe Borchard hit a slam? :D:

Pete_SSAC
03-04-2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by seventytwo
So, you guys are saying Joe Borchard hit a slam? :D:

Wait, what? I find this hard to beileve, where did you hear this?

- Pete

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:40 PM
Josh Stewart's mom just emailed in to see how he pitched.
Stewart's Line:
2 IP, 1ER, 1H, 1 BB, 0K

Bottom 5th, 7-7

Brian Cooper Pitching:

Blaylock hits a double to left.
Lance Nicks grounds out to first, Blaylock to 3rd. 1 out.
Einar "Don't call me Pudge" Diaz grounds out to 3rd. Blaylock stays at 3rd. 2 out.
Young grounds out to the pitcher. 3 outs.

Top 6th, 7-7.

Foulke You
03-04-2003, 04:46 PM
Just tuned in to the game...you guys weren't kidding. These announcers are BRUTAL. I can't imagine having to listen to two boobs like this all season long.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:49 PM
Top 6th, 7-7

Willie Harris leads off with a fat Strikeout. Willie backflips back to the dugout, 1 out.
Jorge Nunez hits a double down the third base line. 1 on, 1 out.
Brian Daubach strikes out, Bo Sox style. Nunez on 2nd, 2 out.
Rowand (2-3) strikes out. (this pitcher has some dirty stuff) 3 outs.

Bottom 6, 7-7.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 04:56 PM
Bottom 6, 7-7

Brian Cooper Pitching:

Doug "Mr. Cub" Glanville flies out to left. 1 out.
(ugh, these idiots are doing 17 more Cactus League games this spring. Hope we miss out on that...)
Lamb flies out to Center. 2 out.
Christiansen hitting for A-Rod strikes out to end the inning...

Top 7th,
7-7

Hangar18
03-04-2003, 05:01 PM
JOLTIN JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:01 PM
(the announcers have noticed that the Rangers first 25 games are against teams that won 93 games or more last year...)

Top 7th, 7-7
Mario Valenzuela grounds out to short, 1 out.
Jamie Burke strikes out, 2 outs.
Joe Borchard grounds out to second, 3 outs.

Bears at Cowboys, tied at 7.

thecell
03-04-2003, 05:03 PM
at the Y-M-C-A...great music in between innings

delben91
03-04-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
Top 6th, 7-7

Willie backflips back to the dugout, 1 out.


Haha, great line.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:11 PM
Bottom 7th, 7-7


Byung Hyuk Ong (or something like that...) Pitching:

Some Punk Minor-Leaguer strikes out, 1 out.
Donny Sadler strikes out looking, 2 out.
MacDougal (who the Rangers got from the Indians (WHAT A SHOCK!) :o: ) walks. 1 on, 2 out.
Bob Minorleaguer grounds out to second. end of inning.

Top 8,
Sox winning, 7-7.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:21 PM
Top 8, 7-7

(They've decided to stop doing play-by-play and start talking to the Ranger's assistant GM, which is tremendously entertaining.)

Joe "O-fer Spring Training" Crede grounds out to short. 1 out.
Cliff Brumbaugh (this guy has a name that just BEGS for him to be traded to the Brewers...) walks.
Willie Harris strikes out. 1 on, 2 out.
Someone (they were too wrapped up to actually MENTION the game) grounds out to second... inning over.

Bottom 8,
7-7

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:24 PM
Bottom 8,
7-7

Matt Ginter Pitching:

Fernando Lunar singles on an infield hit to second. 1 on, 0 outs.
Mark Texiera (who they refer to lovingly as "Tex") doubles to right, Lunar scores. 8-7 Rangers.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:35 PM
Bottom 8th, 8-7 Texas.

Kelly Wunsch relieves Ginter.

"Tex" on 2nd, 0 outs.

Jim Rushford walks. 1st and 2nd, 0 out.
Jason Hart strikes out. 1st and 2nd, 1 out.
Ryan Christiansen hits a double play to third. end of inning.

Top 9th, Rangers lead 8-7.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:40 PM
Top 9th, 8-7 Rangers

Daubach hits a lead-off double to right-center. Aaron Miles pinch runs.
Rowand bunts Miles to 3rd. (they say it looks like the ball hit Rowand in the chest. i say he's OFFICIALLY accident prone.). Miles on 3rd, 1 out.
Valenzuela hits a double to the right-center gap, Miles scores, 8-8.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:42 PM
8-8, Top of the 9th.

Valenzuela on second, 1 out.
Burke grounds out to second, advancing the runner to 3rd.
Borchard grounds out to first. end of inning.

Bottom of the 9th, tied at 8.

Hullett_Fan
03-04-2003, 05:43 PM
YES!!!!!


P.S. Borchard's making a great case for staying with the big league club huh??

And Wright if he has another bad start or two may need to start in Charlotte IMO.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:49 PM
8-8 Bottom of the 9th.

Wunsch pitching:

Sierra singles to left.
Donny Sadler strikes out looking (after bunting 2 pitches foul). 1 on, 1 out
Some Guy pops out to Willie Harris. 1 on, 2 out.

Jamie Burke (at catcher) throws out Sierra trying to steal second.

end of inning.

Top of the 10th, 8-8.

hold2dibber
03-04-2003, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Hullett_Fan
And Wright if he has another bad start or two may need to start in Charlotte IMO.

The problem with that is, who the hell replaces him in the rotation? Would that mean both Rauch and Loaiza make the team out of S.T.? IMHO, the jury is still out on both of those guys (and on Stewart and Heredia, for that matter). Also, IIRC, Wright got lit up pretty severaly in ST last year, but started out okay once the real season began. But your point is well taken - he has been awful in both of his first two S.T. appearances.

Rogers or Finley would still be nice pick ups. More rotation depth would make me feel much more comfortable.

FanOf14
03-04-2003, 05:50 PM
Is there a limit to the number of extra innings in a ST game?

czalgosz
03-04-2003, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by FanOf14
Is there a limit to the number of extra innings in a ST game?

Totally up to the two managers... when one of them decides it's over, it's over.

Juan Pizarro
03-04-2003, 05:52 PM
Yep, Fan, the managers can agree to end a spring training game at any point.

FanOf14
03-04-2003, 05:53 PM
Okay, that's what I thought, just wasn't sure is all.

jeremyb1
03-04-2003, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Hullett_Fan
YES!!!!!


P.S. Borchard's making a great case for staying with the big league club huh??

And Wright if he has another bad start or two may need to start in Charlotte IMO.

yeah just like wright didn't make the team last season when he had a bad spring? we're talking about 4 games here. there are about 20 to go. spring training doesn't really matter at all and if it did you'd have to at least wait for a third of the games to be played before you start making assumptions like this.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 05:55 PM
Top 10, 8-8

Tim Hummel flies out to right. 1 out.
Cliff "Brew Crew" Brumbaugh flies out on a line drive to the shortstop, 2 outs.
Willie Harris grounds out to second. inning over.

Bottom 10th, 8-8.

gosox3072
03-04-2003, 05:58 PM
Just tuned in, these anouncers su*k

Same old crap we hear from everyone......the twins are good, they cant overcome 13 games back

Seems like no one gives us a chance

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 06:01 PM
(Some kid emailed asking if the sox have a better chance of making the playoffs this year and they said "Eh, I guess. Adding Colon helps, so i suppose they may have a legitimate shot... but those Twins are gonna be mighty hard to compete with, and there's no way the wild card is coming out of the Central")

Felix Diaz Pitching:

Jermaine Clark flies out to left. 1 out.
Meyer pops up to the catcher. 2 out.
Some kid grounds out to second, inning over.

Top 11, 8-8.

Hullett_Fan
03-04-2003, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
The problem with that is, who the hell replaces him in the rotation? Would that mean both Rauch and Loaiza make the team out of S.T.? IMHO, the jury is still out on both of those guys (and on Stewart and Heredia, for that matter). Also, IIRC, Wright got lit up pretty severaly in ST last year, but started out okay once the real season began. But your point is well taken - he has been awful in both of his first two S.T. appearances.

Rogers or Finley would still be nice pick ups. More rotation depth would make me feel much more comfortable.

The jury is out on everyone (except Buerhle and Colon). Garland and Wright would have to lose their jobs and the 5th spot is up for grabs.

I'm saying that Wright is well on his way to losing his job with another (not just bad but..) AWFUL start.

Hopefully someone will step-up...or it forces JR's hand to pick up Rogers or Finley.

Nixey 02
03-04-2003, 06:04 PM
Unregistered:

Thanks for the play-by-play this afternoon. A grand distraction from work for a guy who has no access to the mlb.com broadcast (and thank goodness for that - as the unanimous opinion seems to be that the stRangers announcers were weak).

Nixey

Pete_SSAC
03-04-2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
(Some kid emailed asking if the sox have a better chance of making the playoffs this year and they said "Eh, I guess. Adding Colon helps, so i suppose they may have a legitimate shot... but those Twins are gonna be mighty hard to compete with, and there's no way the wild card is coming out of the Central")


Wankers.

- Pete

Hullett_Fan
03-04-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
yeah just like wright didn't make the team last season when he had a bad spring? we're talking about 4 games here. there are about 20 to go. spring training doesn't really matter at all and if it did you'd have to at least wait for a third of the games to be played before you start making assumptions like this.

Won't 4 starts for Wright be over a third of the games into ST? Only 2-3 weeks to go. OK, maybe he'll get 2 to 3 more starts after this. If he stinks it up in 2 of those starts like he has here...I'd say start him in Charlotte for April and May until he gets it together. I thought we're trying to win a championship...we don;t need a guy with a 5.20+ ERA to blow it.

Don't get me wrong...I really like Danny and think he has a high ceiling (expert speak :D: )...but he seems to lack the smarts (hence all the 2 and 3 run HRs last season). I know he's just getting the arm limber but he also needs to work on the mental part IMO.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 06:08 PM
Top 11, 8-8

"Submariner" Brian Shouse now pitching:

Jorge Nunez (2-4, 2b) grounds out to second. 1 out.
Scott "Sixth Man" Morgan singles. 1 on, 1 out.
Olivo grounds out to third (on a "fine play by tex"), Morgan to second. 1 on, 2 out.
Valenzuela hits a double to center, Morgan scores.

SOX LEAD 9-8.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Nixey 02
Unregistered:

Thanks for the play-by-play this afternoon. A grand distraction from work for a guy who has no access to the mlb.com broadcast (and thank goodness for that - as the unanimous opinion seems to be that the stRangers announcers were weak).

Nixey No problem, Nixey... anything I can do to avoid doing any work myself...

HawkDJ
03-04-2003, 06:11 PM
Yes Wright did get beat up last year in spring training. His ERA was around 8.00. Maybe he just isn't a good spring training pitcher, it happens. He won 14 games during the year and looked excellent once Cooper came up and worked with him.

If spring training carried over into the season last year Buehrle would have had an ERA in the 7s. Just remember that.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 06:11 PM
Top 11, 9-8 Sox

Valenzuela on second, 2 out.

Burke grounds out to the pitcher. end of inning.

Bottom 11, 9-8 Sox.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 06:13 PM
(Big surprise, McRae thinks that the A's got the better deal in the Foulke-Koch trade, SOLELY because of the fact that if he was so good, he wouldn't be "bouncing around" to 3 teams in 3 seasons.)

Hullett_Fan
03-04-2003, 06:15 PM
YES!!!

:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

Hullett_Fan
03-04-2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
(Big surprise, McRae thinks that the A's got the better deal in the Foulke-Koch trade, SOLELY because of the fact that if he was so good, he wouldn't be "bouncing around" to 3 teams in 3 seasons.)

Brian McRae is an idiot. Hated him on ESPN Baseball Tonight.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 06:18 PM
Bottom 11th, 9-8 Sox

Diaz pitching :

Rushford grounds out to second, 1 out.
Hart strikes out on a fastball. 2 outs.
Christiansen singles up the middle. 1 on, 2 out.
Ruben "I'm 62 years old" Sierra grounds out to second. game over.


SOX WIN
9-8, 11 innings

W: Felix Diaz (1-0)
L: Brian Shouse (0-1)

Sox ST Record: 3-2

Foulke You
03-04-2003, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Hullett_Fan
Brian McRae is an idiot. Hated him on ESPN Baseball Tonight.

Amen, he was painful to listen to and I only listened to the last 5 innings.

Tavarin
03-04-2003, 06:19 PM
:winner

Hullett_Fan
03-04-2003, 06:22 PM
AWESOME!!

Thanks for the play-by-play UNREGISTERED!!!!


:lsox

hold2dibber
03-04-2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
Bottom 11th, 9-8 Sox

Diaz pitching :

Rushford grounds out to second, 1 out.
Hart strikes out on a fastball. 2 outs.
Christiansen singles up the middle. 1 on, 2 out.
Ruben "I'm 62 years old" Sierra grounds out to second. game over.


SOX WIN
9-8, 11 innings

W: Felix Diaz (1-0)
L: Brian Shouse (0-1)

Sox ST Record: 3-2

Great job Unregistered - thanks!

hose
03-04-2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
Bottom 11th, 9-8 Sox

Diaz pitching :

Rushford grounds out to second, 1 out.
Hart strikes out on a fastball. 2 outs.
Christiansen singles up the middle. 1 on, 2 out.
Ruben "I'm 62 years old" Sierra grounds out to second. game over.


SOX WIN
9-8, 11 innings

W: Felix Diaz (1-0)
L: Brian Shouse (0-1)

Sox ST Record: 3-2


You did a much better job then the MLB announcers. :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
Great job Unregistered - thanks!

Originally posted by Hullett_Fan
Thanks for the play-by-play UNREGISTERED!!!!


My pleasure, guys! Alas, I'm back at the stadium tomorrow, so hopefully I can pass the torch to another kind soul willing to do it... anyone? anyone?

gogosoxgogo
03-04-2003, 06:32 PM
I'll continue the praise here, thanks a lot Unregistered, a job very well done and I truly appreciate it.

Unregistered
03-04-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by hose
You did a much better job then the MLB announcers. :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: Yeah, but Hose, they knew MUCH more about the Rangers minor-league system than i do :D: ... at least i dont CLAIM to be unbiased... although, to be fair, maybe they weren't Rangers fans.. maybe they just hated the White Sox.

jeremyb1
03-04-2003, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Hullett_Fan
Won't 4 starts for Wright be over a third of the games into ST? Only 2-3 weeks to go. OK, maybe he'll get 2 to 3 more starts after this. If he stinks it up in 2 of those starts like he has here...I'd say start him in Charlotte for April and May until he gets it together. I thought we're trying to win a championship...we don;t need a guy with a 5.20+ ERA to blow it.

Don't get me wrong...I really like Danny and think he has a high ceiling (expert speak :D: )...but he seems to lack the smarts (hence all the 2 and 3 run HRs last season). I know he's just getting the arm limber but he also needs to work on the mental part IMO.

but the key here is wright isn't fighting for a job. as was pointed out elsewhere buehrle was terrible last spring. just because wright isn't as good of a pitcher as buehrle that doesn't mean his struggles in the spring should be magnified an unfair amount. plenty of great pitchers have terrible springs and no one thinks any thing of it. why is it when a mediocre pitcher has a bad spring he's supposed to be sent down to charlotte?

do you really want 37 year old gil heredia winning wright's rotation spot if he has a better spring? wright won 14 games last season while heredia wasn't good enough to pitch in the majors. should we just tell all of the guys competing for the rotation that whoever hast he lowest era wins the spot? maybe honel will have a good spring and then we should have him skip high a through aaa and be our fifth starter. maybe a no name starter like cooper that we added for AAA depth should make the team if he has a good spring.

even when you have position battles, its not a matter of who pitches best as much as it is who the coaching staff thinks projects to pitch best during the season. it is a known fact that there are good major league players that are horrendous in the spring, especially pitchers in arizona. that's why you have to choose which guys have jobs secured and which don't before the spring. wright was given a spot because he won 14 games last season and pitched well down the stretch. how well he pitches in the spring can't change that.

czalgosz
03-04-2003, 07:15 PM
Exactly. Wright is pretty much guaranteed a spot, so he's not trying to get guys out. He's trying to spot his pitches, trying new things, etc.

Maybe today he was just trying to get his fastball over.

I started to get worried last spring when Manuel and Contreras said that they were worried about the pitching. That meant that things weren't going as planned. I haven't seen any sign of that thus far this spring.

Until Cooper and Manuel start fretting, I'm not going to worry.

Jerry_Manuel
03-04-2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
Is this game on TV?

Nope.

Sox have 2 games on tv this spring. Next Friday and Saturday. They are on this Saturday against the Cubs, which I'm pretty sure will be a Cubs broadcast.

Lip Man 1
03-04-2003, 09:44 PM
That's why I and others were saying that getting a little more starting pitching depth wouldn't hurt one iota.

Now it's too late unless Rogers is willing to come to the Sox.

Remember 80% of this rotation (assuming Rauch is #5) has less then three years experience each in the bigs.

Loazia was a nice pick up but Heredia didn't pitch in the bigs last season.

I just hope the Sox aren't put in the situation this year, like last year, where a guy is getting pounded and when Manager Gandhi is asked why he's still in the rotation says, "We don't really have any other options..." (because of Sox management's stupidity)

Here's an example...the back end of the Orioles rotations contains Daal, Helling and Ponson. Wish the Sox had some of those guys.

Lip

kermittheefrog
03-05-2003, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1

Here's an example...the back end of the Orioles rotations contains Daal, Helling and Ponson. Wish the Sox had some of those guys.

Lip

A) That's the front end of the Orioles rotation.

B) Are you really clamoring for the starting rotation of a 95 loss team? What are you smoking?

jeremyb1
03-05-2003, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
That's why I and others were saying that getting a little more starting pitching depth wouldn't hurt one iota.

Now it's too late unless Rogers is willing to come to the Sox.

Remember 80% of this rotation (assuming Rauch is #5) has less then three years experience each in the bigs.

Loazia was a nice pick up but Heredia didn't pitch in the bigs last season.

I just hope the Sox aren't put in the situation this year, like last year, where a guy is getting pounded and when Manager Gandhi is asked why he's still in the rotation says, "We don't really have any other options..." (because of Sox management's stupidity)

Here's an example...the back end of the Orioles rotations contains Daal, Helling and Ponson. Wish the Sox had some of those guys.

Lip

the problem is that wright and garland are guaranteed jobs. if you have a problem with that that'd different that depth. if we had rick helling then he would be our fifth starter and loaiza, rauch, and heredia would not be elligible to win a rotation spot. if you think we should've signed helling as our four with garland, wright, rauch, heredia, loaiza, and stewert fighting it out for four and five that's more an issue of our team's evaluation of our pitchers than pitching depth.

i think however that its difficult to make an argument wright shouldn't be given a spot going into the spring and much more difficult to make the same argument for garland. that means we have four pitchers guaranteed spots and unless we can add a bunch of guys in the daal/mendoza mode who can go between relief and starting we can't add that much depth because starting pitchers don't want to sign with teams when there's a good chance they won't start.

czalgosz
03-05-2003, 02:14 PM
I wouldn't have been against a Rogers signing, but I don't think it's a pressing need. If it would have meant giving Rogers a big long-term deal (which I think is what Boras is holding out for) then it's really not worth it.

For one thing, 3.1 innings isn't enough to give up on Wright. Secondly, there is some depth. It's not like it was last year, when the Sox had no options. If there are major concerns about Wright, there are two or three guys who can do decent jobs. Not great, but decent. And the Sox bullpen is good enough IMO to pick up the slack.

Long story short, I don't think the Sox should panic and saddle themselves with a huge contract that will be an anvil 2 or 3 years down the line.

Unregistered
03-05-2003, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by czalgosz
I wouldn't have been against a Rogers signing, but I don't think it's a pressing need. If it would have meant giving Rogers a big long-term deal (which I think is what Boras is holding out for) then it's really not worth it. I don't think Boras is going to get anything close to a long-term deal for Rogers, no matter how long he holds out... I think Wright will be OK once the season starts. It could be entirely possible that knowing that he already has a place on the team and that it IS only spring training, Wright just isn't getting up for these games...mentally or physically...

jeremyb1
03-05-2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by czalgosz

For one thing, 3.1 innings isn't enough to give up on Wright. Secondly, there is some depth. It's not like it was last year, when the Sox had no options. If there are major concerns about Wright, there are two or three guys who can do decent jobs. Not great, but decent. And the Sox bullpen is good enough IMO to pick up the slack.


agreed. we don't have bad pitching depth. we know that buehrle, colon, garland will be a pretty good 1-2-3 combo. if wright really struggles horribly or it turns out that he's injured, we'd simply have to choose two pitchers instead of one from the group of loaiza, rauch, heredia, and stewart. i don't think that's a terrible situation by any means. i have a good deal of faith in loaiza and rauch and heredia and stewart and having good springs thus far.

Unregistered
03-06-2003, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
we don't have bad pitching depth. we know that buehrle, colon, garland will be a pretty good 1-2-3 combo. We pretty much "know" that Buerhle and Colon are going to be pretty good, but as much of a fan of Garland I am, he still needs to get his consistancy down and get past the 5th inning before melting down this year.

jeremyb1
03-06-2003, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Unregistered
We pretty much "know" that Buerhle and Colon are going to be pretty good, but as much of a fan of Garland I am, he still needs to get his consistancy down and get past the 5th inning before melting down this year.

i didn't necessarily mean to say we know garland will be a good three, only that combined with colon and buehrle we will have a good one-two-three combo. i'm not guaranteeing that garland will have a breakout season although i do think its quite possible. whether or not he breaks out i think you're relatively safe counting on him posting an era in the low 4s and when combined with an outstanding one and two that's really solid.