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hose
02-26-2003, 07:10 AM
I hope the voters have enough sense to put Minnie Minoso in the Hall of Fame today.

LuvSox
02-26-2003, 08:11 AM
Friggin' Chicago media---haven't heard a word about Minnie, but that Santo clown, he's all over the place. Show some dignity Ron, quit begging!

Hangar18
02-26-2003, 09:17 AM
Minnie Minoso? who is that?

oh wait, hes the Sox Player ALSO on this HOF ballot isnt he.
Funny, the Santo Media Campaign, led by Murphy of the Cub Radio Network, is all over this. I also liked how hes begging, saying he will be despondent if he doesnt make it. He mentions (going for the Sympathy vote) that his amputation will make him even more disappointed/despondent if he doesnt go in. Sucker.
Sure glad im not a cub fan

FanOf14
02-26-2003, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Hangar18
Minnie Minoso? who is that?

oh wait, hes the Sox Player ALSO on this HOF ballot isnt he.
Funny, the Santo Media Campaign, led by Murphy of the Cub Radio Network, is all over this. I also liked how hes begging, saying he will be despondent if he doesnt make it. He mentions (going for the Sympathy vote) that his amputation will make him even more disappointed/despondent if he doesnt go in. Sucker.
Sure glad im not a cub fan

I have a hard time belieiving a player would want in on a pity vote...but I guess one never knows. GO MINNIE!

FanOf14
02-26-2003, 10:21 AM
WooHoo - I am a WSI Personality now! I guess I did something with all this down time at work after all...Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Lip Man 1
02-26-2003, 01:58 PM
Too bad....hopefully next year


Minoso, known as the “Cuban Comet,” was acquired by the Sox in April of 1951 in exchange for Gus Zernial as part of a three team deal. Then GM Frank Lane listened to manager Paul Richards who badly wanted Minoso after seeing him play in the Pacific Coast League. Lane was able to convince Bill Veeck and Hank Greenberg to include Minnie in the deal. He originally came up with the Indians in 1949 seeing limited action.

Minoso became Chicago’s first black player and Richards made sure the team understood he wouldn’t tolerate any signs of disrespect or hatred.. Minnie probably wouldn’t have had any trouble anyway because his smile was infectious and his desire to play baseball was unmatched. Watching Minnie play was pure joy... and how he could play!

In his first at bat with the Sox, he belted a Vic Raschi slider into the center field bullpen 415 feet away. It was the start of a season in which Minnie took home the Rookie Of The Year award.

Minoso though, could do more then hit home runs... he could run... leading the American League in stolen bases and triples three times. Minnie would become an eight time All Star, hitting better then .300 eight years with a lifetime average of .298. He had four seasons where he drove in over a hundred runs and four seasons where he scored over a hundred runs. Seven times he swiped fifteen or more bases in an era when the stolen base was an unusual occurrence. Minoso also had an amazing ability to get hit with pitches, 192 times in his career to be exact, which included stops in Cleveland, Chicago, St. Louis and Washington. In his statistical analysis Bill James has Minoso listed as the 10th best left fielder in the history of baseball

It was considered a publicity stunt but Minnie was still good enough to rip a single to left field off the Angels Frank Tanana at Comiskey Park in 1976. He was “only” 54 at the time!

Minnie was so loved in Chicago that when the Sox won the pennant in 1959, Minoso was given an honorary ring by the club even though he spent the season in Cleveland. When he was reacquired in 1960 at age 37 he hit .311 with twenty home runs, 105 RBI’s and had 184 hits to lead the American League. He best season perhaps was in 1954 when he hit .320 with an amazing eighteen triples, nineteen homers and 116 RBI’s.

When Minoso “officially” retired after 1980 when he went hitless in two at bats at age 58, he stayed in Chicago working for the Sox in the public relations department and then continued to spread the gospel of White Sox baseball to any and all on his own time. He was voted a member of the White Sox All Century Team and will be part of the All Star Game festivities come July.

Minnie Minoso’s White Sox Stats:

Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RS RBI SB AVG.
1951 138 516 167 32 14 10 109 74 31 .324
1952 147 569 160 24 9 13 96 61 22 .281
1953 151 556 174 24 8 15 104 104 25 .313
1954 153 568 182 29 18 19 119 116 18 .320
1955 139 517 149 26 7 10 79 70 19 .288
1956 151 545 172 29 11 21 106 88 12 .316
1957 153 568 176 36 5 12 96 103 18 .310
1960 154 591 184 32 4 20 89 105 17 .311
1961 152 540 151 28 3 14 91 82 9 .280
1964 30 31 7 0 0 1 4 5 0 .226
1976 3 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .125
1980 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

Lip

hold2dibber
02-26-2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Too bad....hopefully next year


Minoso, known as the “Cuban Comet,” was acquired by the Sox in April of 1951 in exchange for Gus Zernial as part of a three team deal. Then GM Frank Lane listened to manager Paul Richards who badly wanted Minoso after seeing him play in the Pacific Coast League. Lane was able to convince Bill Veeck and Hank Greenberg to include Minnie in the deal. He originally came up with the Indians in 1949 seeing limited action.

Minoso became Chicago’s first black player and Richards made sure the team understood he wouldn’t tolerate any signs of disrespect or hatred.. Minnie probably wouldn’t have had any trouble anyway because his smile was infectious and his desire to play baseball was unmatched. Watching Minnie play was pure joy... and how he could play!

In his first at bat with the Sox, he belted a Vic Raschi slider into the center field bullpen 415 feet away. It was the start of a season in which Minnie took home the Rookie Of The Year award.

Minoso though, could do more then hit home runs... he could run... leading the American League in stolen bases and triples three times. Minnie would become an eight time All Star, hitting better then .300 eight years with a lifetime average of .298. He had four seasons where he drove in over a hundred runs and four seasons where he scored over a hundred runs. Seven times he swiped fifteen or more bases in an era when the stolen base was an unusual occurrence. Minoso also had an amazing ability to get hit with pitches, 192 times in his career to be exact, which included stops in Cleveland, Chicago, St. Louis and Washington. In his statistical analysis Bill James has Minoso listed as the 10th best left fielder in the history of baseball

It was considered a publicity stunt but Minnie was still good enough to rip a single to left field off the Angels Frank Tanana at Comiskey Park in 1976. He was “only” 54 at the time!

Minnie was so loved in Chicago that when the Sox won the pennant in 1959, Minoso was given an honorary ring by the club even though he spent the season in Cleveland. When he was reacquired in 1960 at age 37 he hit .311 with twenty home runs, 105 RBI’s and had 184 hits to lead the American League. He best season perhaps was in 1954 when he hit .320 with an amazing eighteen triples, nineteen homers and 116 RBI’s.

When Minoso “officially” retired after 1980 when he went hitless in two at bats at age 58, he stayed in Chicago working for the Sox in the public relations department and then continued to spread the gospel of White Sox baseball to any and all on his own time. He was voted a member of the White Sox All Century Team and will be part of the All Star Game festivities come July.

Minnie Minoso’s White Sox Stats:

Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RS RBI SB AVG.
1951 138 516 167 32 14 10 109 74 31 .324
1952 147 569 160 24 9 13 96 61 22 .281
1953 151 556 174 24 8 15 104 104 25 .313
1954 153 568 182 29 18 19 119 116 18 .320
1955 139 517 149 26 7 10 79 70 19 .288
1956 151 545 172 29 11 21 106 88 12 .316
1957 153 568 176 36 5 12 96 103 18 .310
1960 154 591 184 32 4 20 89 105 17 .311
1961 152 540 151 28 3 14 91 82 9 .280
1964 30 31 7 0 0 1 4 5 0 .226
1976 3 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .125
1980 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

Lip

Great job, Lip. Thanks.

And, as Rob Never noted in his column today, Minoso didn't get to the majors until he was 28 because of the color of his skin. Imagine what those numbers would look like if he had had the opportunity to play in the bigs for 3 or 4 more years in his mid-20s.

LuvSox
02-26-2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by hose
I hope the voters have enough sense to put Minnie Minoso in the Hall of Fame today. It's a damn shame. The first black player in Chicago, a .298 lifetime hitter, still can't get elected. What was Joe Morgans stats? Now there's a guy with that "I'm a hof'er, I'm better than everyone else" attitude. RANT OVER

Hangar18
02-26-2003, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by FanOf14
WooHoo - I am a WSI Personality now! I guess I did something with all this down time at work after all...Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Hey,,,Ive been told Im pretty personable...im only a regular heh.

hose
02-26-2003, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Too bad....hopefully next year


Minoso, known as the “Cuban Comet,” was acquired by the Sox in April of 1951 in exchange for Gus Zernial as part of a three team deal. Then GM Frank Lane listened to manager Paul Richards who badly wanted Minoso after seeing him play in the Pacific Coast League. Lane was able to convince Bill Veeck and Hank Greenberg to include Minnie in the deal. He originally came up with the Indians in 1949 seeing limited action.

Minoso became Chicago’s first black player and Richards made sure the team understood he wouldn’t tolerate any signs of disrespect or hatred.. Minnie probably wouldn’t have had any trouble anyway because his smile was infectious and his desire to play baseball was unmatched. Watching Minnie play was pure joy... and how he could play!

In his first at bat with the Sox, he belted a Vic Raschi slider into the center field bullpen 415 feet away. It was the start of a season in which Minnie took home the Rookie Of The Year award.

Minoso though, could do more then hit home runs... he could run... leading the American League in stolen bases and triples three times. Minnie would become an eight time All Star, hitting better then .300 eight years with a lifetime average of .298. He had four seasons where he drove in over a hundred runs and four seasons where he scored over a hundred runs. Seven times he swiped fifteen or more bases in an era when the stolen base was an unusual occurrence. Minoso also had an amazing ability to get hit with pitches, 192 times in his career to be exact, which included stops in Cleveland, Chicago, St. Louis and Washington. In his statistical analysis Bill James has Minoso listed as the 10th best left fielder in the history of baseball

It was considered a publicity stunt but Minnie was still good enough to rip a single to left field off the Angels Frank Tanana at Comiskey Park in 1976. He was “only” 54 at the time!

Minnie was so loved in Chicago that when the Sox won the pennant in 1959, Minoso was given an honorary ring by the club even though he spent the season in Cleveland. When he was reacquired in 1960 at age 37 he hit .311 with twenty home runs, 105 RBI’s and had 184 hits to lead the American League. He best season perhaps was in 1954 when he hit .320 with an amazing eighteen triples, nineteen homers and 116 RBI’s.

When Minoso “officially” retired after 1980 when he went hitless in two at bats at age 58, he stayed in Chicago working for the Sox in the public relations department and then continued to spread the gospel of White Sox baseball to any and all on his own time. He was voted a member of the White Sox All Century Team and will be part of the All Star Game festivities come July.

Minnie Minoso’s White Sox Stats:

Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RS RBI SB AVG.
1951 138 516 167 32 14 10 109 74 31 .324
1952 147 569 160 24 9 13 96 61 22 .281
1953 151 556 174 24 8 15 104 104 25 .313
1954 153 568 182 29 18 19 119 116 18 .320
1955 139 517 149 26 7 10 79 70 19 .288
1956 151 545 172 29 11 21 106 88 12 .316
1957 153 568 176 36 5 12 96 103 18 .310
1960 154 591 184 32 4 20 89 105 17 .311
1961 152 540 151 28 3 14 91 82 9 .280
1964 30 31 7 0 0 1 4 5 0 .226
1976 3 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .125
1980 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

Lip


Outstanding post.

I didn't know that Minnie was given a ring by the '59 ring.

Stoky44
02-26-2003, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Too bad....hopefully next year


Minoso, known as the “Cuban Comet,” was acquired by the Sox in April of 1951 in exchange for Gus Zernial as part of a three team deal. Then GM Frank Lane listened to manager Paul Richards who badly wanted Minoso after seeing him play in the Pacific Coast League. Lane was able to convince Bill Veeck and Hank Greenberg to include Minnie in the deal. He originally came up with the Indians in 1949 seeing limited action.

Minoso became Chicago’s first black player and Richards made sure the team understood he wouldn’t tolerate any signs of disrespect or hatred.. Minnie probably wouldn’t have had any trouble anyway because his smile was infectious and his desire to play baseball was unmatched. Watching Minnie play was pure joy... and how he could play!

In his first at bat with the Sox, he belted a Vic Raschi slider into the center field bullpen 415 feet away. It was the start of a season in which Minnie took home the Rookie Of The Year award.

Minoso though, could do more then hit home runs... he could run... leading the American League in stolen bases and triples three times. Minnie would become an eight time All Star, hitting better then .300 eight years with a lifetime average of .298. He had four seasons where he drove in over a hundred runs and four seasons where he scored over a hundred runs. Seven times he swiped fifteen or more bases in an era when the stolen base was an unusual occurrence. Minoso also had an amazing ability to get hit with pitches, 192 times in his career to be exact, which included stops in Cleveland, Chicago, St. Louis and Washington. In his statistical analysis Bill James has Minoso listed as the 10th best left fielder in the history of baseball

It was considered a publicity stunt but Minnie was still good enough to rip a single to left field off the Angels Frank Tanana at Comiskey Park in 1976. He was “only” 54 at the time!

Minnie was so loved in Chicago that when the Sox won the pennant in 1959, Minoso was given an honorary ring by the club even though he spent the season in Cleveland. When he was reacquired in 1960 at age 37 he hit .311 with twenty home runs, 105 RBI’s and had 184 hits to lead the American League. He best season perhaps was in 1954 when he hit .320 with an amazing eighteen triples, nineteen homers and 116 RBI’s.

When Minoso “officially” retired after 1980 when he went hitless in two at bats at age 58, he stayed in Chicago working for the Sox in the public relations department and then continued to spread the gospel of White Sox baseball to any and all on his own time. He was voted a member of the White Sox All Century Team and will be part of the All Star Game festivities come July.

Minnie Minoso’s White Sox Stats:

Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RS RBI SB AVG.
1951 138 516 167 32 14 10 109 74 31 .324
1952 147 569 160 24 9 13 96 61 22 .281
1953 151 556 174 24 8 15 104 104 25 .313
1954 153 568 182 29 18 19 119 116 18 .320
1955 139 517 149 26 7 10 79 70 19 .288
1956 151 545 172 29 11 21 106 88 12 .316
1957 153 568 176 36 5 12 96 103 18 .310
1960 154 591 184 32 4 20 89 105 17 .311
1961 152 540 151 28 3 14 91 82 9 .280
1964 30 31 7 0 0 1 4 5 0 .226
1976 3 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .125
1980 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

Lip


GREAT POST!! I AM IN AWE OF YOUR POST.

Hangar18
02-27-2003, 09:07 AM
for those of us who were too young to know what Minnie did for the Sox, this was an Excellent Post Indeed. Thanks Lip

doublem23
02-27-2003, 12:33 PM
My junior year in high school, just before the start of the 2001 season (I think), he actually came to my parish and I got to here him talk. You could just tell that he loved the Sox. It was such a pleasure to here him talk. Got his autograph, too.

HaroldFan
02-27-2003, 01:43 PM
Here are some of Minnie's stats relative to other major leaguers for his first 11 years in the majors, 1951-1961 when he was 28 to 38 years old. Note that Gil Hodges who received three times the votes Minoso did yesterday was also in his prime during these years (26 to 36 years old)

Hits

Fox 2051
Ashburn 1933
Minoso 1861
Musial 1777
Mantle 1700

Runs

Mantle 1245
Minoso 1078
Mathhews 1035
Ashburn 1016
Mays 1013

Doubles

Musial 354
Minoso 319
Kuehn 290
Fox 277
Bell 276

Triples

Mays 94
Fox 90
Bruton 84
Minoso 81
Ashburn 77

RBI

Mantle 1063
Snider 1016
Musial 996
Berra 996
Matthews 992
Minoso 977

Stolen Bases

Aparicio 238
Mays 222
Minoso 193
Ashburn 167
Bruton 165

Total Bases

Mantle 3195
Mays 3067
Musial 3057
Matthews 2991
Snider 2881
Minoso 2879

In 1957 the Gold Glove award was founded. That first year only one was given per position covering both leagues. The 34 year old Minoso won it. He also won AL Gold Gloves in 1959 and 1960. Finally, he was the first Latin superstar. Tony Perez and Orlando Cepeda have both called him "their Jackie Robinson." Pitchers threw at him his rookie year just as they threw at Jackie. Minoso in the Hall should be a no brainer. Instead he got one vote fewer than Marty Marion.

ode to veeck
02-27-2003, 11:04 PM
great posts on minnie, even though he was already pretty old when I started rooting for the SOX in '62, he was always my favorite Sox player of all time

Daver
02-27-2003, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by ode to veeck
great posts on minnie, even though he was already pretty old when I started rooting for the SOX in '62, he was always my favorite Sox player of all time

Hey Ode,long time no see.

fuzzy_patters
02-27-2003, 11:10 PM
Just think of what Minnie's numbers would have been like had he not been forced into early retirement? Minnie wanted to play one game in 1990, but Jerry Reinsdorf wouldn't let him.

DVG
02-27-2003, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by fuzzy_patters
Just think of what Minnie's numbers would have been like had he not been forced into early retirement? Minnie wanted to play one game in 1990, but Jerry Reinsdorf wouldn't let him.

Whoa, fuzzy. We all know how much Jerry Reinsdorf is loved on
these boards, but we must give credit where it is due. The team
was going to let Minoso have one at-bat in 1990. It was Fay
Vincent who put the kibosh on Minoso, not Reinsdorf. Let's be
fair.

fuzzy_patters
02-28-2003, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by DVG
Whoa, fuzzy. We all know how much Jerry Reinsdorf is loved on
these boards, but we must give credit where it is due. The team
was going to let Minoso have one at-bat in 1990. It was Fay
Vincent who put the kibosh on Minoso, not Reinsdorf. Let's be
fair.

I thought I remembered Reinsdorf doing it because he was afraid of liability issues. Oh well, I didn't really mean it to be a bash at Reinsdorf, anyway. It was intended as more of a humorous post.

voodoochile
02-28-2003, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by fuzzy_patters
I thought I remembered Reinsdorf doing it because he was afraid of liability issues. Oh well, I didn't really mean it to be a bash at Reinsdorf, anyway. It was intended as more of a humorous post.

Never apologize for bashing Reinsy. He may not have deserved this one, but there is plenty more he does. Never let the facts get in the way of a shot at JR...

Procol Harum
02-28-2003, 12:26 AM
Good acumen demonstrated in this thread, men. I wonder why he hasn't been extended some of the same grace shown to several of the Negro League guys who--while they were obviously very talented and because of discrimination never were allowed to play in MLB--never actually faced the higher quality pitching in the Bigs on any consistent basis (barnstorming doesn't quite qualify) and yet were given the benefit of the doubt. Minnie suffered because of the same sort of discrimination and then went out and had a great career. Guess Minnie was no Phil Rizzuto....

DVG
02-28-2003, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Procol Harum
Good acumen demonstrated in this thread, men. I wonder why he hasn't been extended some of the same grace shown to several of the Negro League guys who--while they were obviously very talented and because of discrimination never were allowed to play in MLB--never actually faced the higher quality pitching in the Bigs on any consistent basis (barnstorming doesn't quite qualify) and yet were given the benefit of the doubt. Minnie suffered because of the same sort of discrimination and then went out and had a great career. Guess Minnie was no Phil Rizzuto....

Phil Rizzuto got in because of George Steinbrenner's bullying,
strong arm tactics. I can't remember where I read it, but the
gist of what I read was that Steinbrenner literally shoved
Rizzuto down the Veteran's Committee's throats.

DVG
02-28-2003, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by fuzzy_patters
I thought I remembered Reinsdorf doing it because he was afraid of liability issues. Oh well, I didn't really mean it to be a bash at Reinsdorf, anyway. It was intended as more of a humorous post.

Actually, some of the players were against it, also, most specifically that whiny little crumb Ozzie Guillen. Also Jack
McDowell. I don't remember what the specific gripes were,
probably that it was undignified, or that Minoso was get-
ting paid more than them or something. Ballplayers have
no sense of history. Reason 1,117 why I don't care for the majority of them.

jortafan
02-28-2003, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by DVG
Phil Rizzuto got in because of George Steinbrenner's bullying,
strong arm tactics. I can't remember where I read it, but the
gist of what I read was that Steinbrenner literally shoved
Rizzuto down the Veteran's Committee's throats.

So why can't JR do the same on behalf of Minoso? We all know he's capable of being a harda** when he wants to be.

jortafan
02-28-2003, 08:19 AM
I just had my own brain cramp, although not as public as when Steve Lyons dropped his britches. I wasn't thinking about the difference in the Veterans Committee composition.