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Critque
02-19-2003, 03:48 PM
They are currently have a decussion on ESPN 1000 of who would you rather have on your team RIGHT NOW, Maggs or Sosa? Harry homer a** is of course picking Sosa, but Jurcko said Maggs. Who would you guys rather have? I got a feeling being on a Sox sight who it might be, but it still is a intersting question. What's your thought?

czalgosz
02-19-2003, 03:52 PM
That's actually tough. If you're going purely on production, I'd say Sosa. But for the overall package (attitude, team play, etc.,) Ordonez wins in a walk.

Plus, IMO Ordonez is much better defensively.

Hullett_Fan
02-19-2003, 03:55 PM
If it was tie game, bottom of 9th in Game 7 of the World Series, runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 out....there is NO DOUBT that you want Ordonez up there. He'll make contact and drive in the winning run with a single or homer. Sosa is all or nothing. He didn't used to be that way...but last year it was a HR or K.

Plus Maggs is a team player unlike Sham-me

dllrbll7
02-19-2003, 04:15 PM
Sammys defense has improved but its still not up to Maggs level. Because of Sammys attitude and that im a sox fan i have to say that Maggs is the better choice.

bc2k
02-19-2003, 04:19 PM
Earlier this month there was a thread about MLB not appreciating Magglio Ordonez. This is a shame to say, but I don't think I appreciate Magglio as much as I should - but for different reasons. The rest of baseball doesn't recognize him because he's not flashy, while I don't appreciate him because I've taken his high level of play for granted.

There is no way I would trade that beautiful quick stroke for a swinging from your heels, power-up, all-or-nothing swing.

gogosoxgogo
02-19-2003, 04:27 PM
Without a doubt Maggs. He's younger, he's a team player, he's much more clutch, he doesn't have the ego, he's better defensively, he's better with runners on, he has a higher batting average, he can drive in RBI's, he doesn't swing for the fences, and he doesn't K.

kermittheefrog
02-19-2003, 06:45 PM
I'd say Maggs. A year or two ago it was Sosa but now Sosa is no longer other worldly with the bat and Maggs is a better fielder.

jortafan
02-19-2003, 06:47 PM
I don't understand why it would have to be a choice. What would be wrong with Sammy in left and Maggs in right? Yes, I would take Sammy over Carlos Lee.

But if I had to pick one, then Sammy's a "payaso." Go with Magglio.

nut_stock
02-19-2003, 06:49 PM
How old is Sosa? I'm thinking that Maggs is about 4 years younger but I'm not positive.

Fisk Fan
02-19-2003, 07:26 PM
Let's have a look at the numbers:


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

Magglio: 590 116 189 47 1 38 135 352 53 77 7 5 .381 .597 .320

Sally: 556 122 160 19 2 49 108 330 103 144 2 0 .399 .594 .288

They speak for themselves. Maggs leads in all of the most important categories including total bases, average, strike-outs, hits, and RBI's. Factor in the idea that you don't have to deal with the B.S. in the clubhouse and the ME personality, and you have your obvious choice: Magglio in a walk!

A.T. Money
02-19-2003, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Fisk Fan
Let's have a look at the numbers:


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

Magglio: 590 116 189 47 1 38 135 352 53 77 7 5 .381 .597 .320

Sally: 556 122 160 19 2 49 108 330 103 144 2 0 .399 .594 .288

They speak for themselves. Maggs leads in all of the most important categories including total bases, average, strike-outs, hits, and RBI's. Factor in the idea that you don't have to deal with the B.S. in the clubhouse and the ME personality, and you have your obvious choice: Magglio in a walk!

What he said.

gosox3072
02-19-2003, 09:39 PM
Not only does maggs have better stats in Hits RBI's TB's and AVE. he also plays his home games in a pitcher friendly park unlike the scrubs. Guranteed if u put maggs in Wrigley Field he hits 47 homers also

duke of dorwood
02-19-2003, 09:45 PM
Maggs hits in the tougher league-is simply a better all around player.

HawkDJ
02-19-2003, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
Maggs hits in the tougher league-is simply a better all around player.

Tougher league? I'm not so sure about that. I'd say the NL is better and has better pitching. But I'd still go with Maggs easily on this. Better defense, better attitude, better team player, better batting average , more RBIs, less strikeouts. etc...

Rocklive99
02-19-2003, 09:57 PM
I'd also pick Magglio. I'd rather have his talent then have him being flashy. I don't care if you can say "Baseball has been very good to me" in a cute accent, show it on the field, and I think Maggs is a better all around player.

Blueprint1
02-20-2003, 12:29 AM
How can you say that the NL is a better league and has better pitching? The AL is the only league to win the world series in a non-homefield year in a very long time. Second you cant compare Stats between leagues because the AL has the DH. In the AL you have to face batters 1-9 all night long. In the NL you face the pitcher all night until you get to a Bench player that wouldnt even get to see a pitch in the AL because the NL manager has already used all his decent hitting bench players earlier in the game. so when you look at ERA BA. against in the NL you have to take into account the DH. Thats why I always say THE ROCKETS 20K's is much more impressive than WOODS

Vsahajpal
02-20-2003, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by gosox3072
Not only does maggs have better stats in Hits RBI's TB's and AVE. he also plays his home games in a pitcher friendly park unlike the scrubs. Guranteed if u put maggs in Wrigley Field he hits 47 homers also

Wrigley actually favors pitchers. Park Effect was -9.4% last season. Comiskey favored the hitters (+8.4%). Or if you prefer baseball-reference.com

Wood's 20 K game was arguably the best pitched game ever. I'd rate it in the top 5 for sure. Koufax perfect game is my #1.

http://baseball-almanac.com/boxscore/09091965.shtml

But I think Kerry's effort edges out the Rocket's, that hit should've been an error on Kevin Orie, unreal.

Clemens:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B19860226.htm


Wood:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B19980461.htm

czalgosz
02-20-2003, 01:32 AM
I don't know that it makes any sense to say that the AL or the NL is better or worse. With all the player movement between leagues, the differences are minimal, and over more than a couple seasons, are non-existent.

Right now, I'd say that the NL talent is probably spread thinner - the really good players in the NL are scattered around the league, while they are grouped together on a few teams in the AL. But I'd say this is nothing more than a one-or-two season anomaly exaggerated by the Yankees, who are an outlier in almost any study of MLB.

Vsahajpal
02-20-2003, 01:42 AM
I was looking at some stats and was floored by Sosa's 2001 campaign:


He hit .328/.437/.737 (1.174 OPS) with 38 doubles, 5 triples, 64 HR, 160 RBI and 116/153 BB/K.

Look at the breakdown, it's freakish:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=4344&type=batting&year=2001

How the hell do you have a .966 OPS after the count reaches 0-2? Ridiculous.


But anyways, I then looked at Hurt's 1994, and was even more astounded:

He hit .353/.487/.729 (1.217 OPS) with 34 doubles, 1 triple, 38 HR, 101 RBI, and 109/61 BB/K. The strike ended his remarkable season unfortunately, ruining one of the greatest individual offensive season's ever.

Frank's career OPS is at an even 1.000!

voodoochile
02-20-2003, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by Vsahajpal

But anyways, I then looked at Hurt's 1994, and was even more astounded:

He hit .353/.487/.729 (1.217 OPS) with 34 doubles, 1 triple, 38 HR, 101 RBI, and 109/61 BB/K. The strike ended his remarkable season unfortunately, ruining one of the greatest individual offensive season's ever.

Frank's career OPS is at an even 1.000!

Yeah, he's not bad... Bonds had a pretty decent one recently too...

:D:

basilesox
02-20-2003, 03:06 AM
I would definitely take Sosa, He is without a doubt one of the best hitters in the majors at this point at least.

Fisk Fan
02-20-2003, 06:46 AM
Did I forget to mention that Maggs is 6 or 7 years younger than Sosa?

hsnterprize
02-20-2003, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by czalgosz
That's actually tough. If you're going purely on production, I'd say Sosa. But for the overall package (attitude, team play, etc.,) Ordonez wins in a walk.

Plus, IMO Ordonez is much better defensively.

I second that motion. Maggs is more of a complete player than Sammy. Sammy can hit, but that's all he's got. I'll trust Maggs more in the outfield before I turn to Sammy.

harwar
02-20-2003, 08:13 AM
For me its easy..Maggs all the way.Hes' not done getting better.They can't ignore him any longer.

Blueprint1
02-20-2003, 09:10 AM
Eight of Sammy's homeruns came in Enron. Thats kinda nuts. I wonder what that place rates in the league? Oh yeah and look Wood struck out a pitcher in that stat. I believe there were two 20k games for Clemens