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SoxxoS
01-15-2003, 10:57 AM
I heard nothing about the Sox picking up Tom Gordon. I do remember last year with the Cubs, he still had that awesome curve-ball. Maybe, just maybe, this is the year he is going to stay healthy the whole way through. I think this is what KW is banking on. Who knows what we are giving up in this Colon trade...but if it is Osuna, Gordon could fill his shoes with ease.


MAN I AM A HAPPY SOX FAN RIGHT NOW.

doublem23
01-15-2003, 10:58 AM
Today's Tribune reports that the Sox are close to signing him (in the article about Colon), likely, because this deal would hinge on us sending someone to New York for the bullpen.

If it happens.

cheeses_h_rice
01-15-2003, 11:11 AM
I always thought "Flash" was overrated, so I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

That point-to-the-sky thing is pretty freaking obnoxious, too.

FanOf14
01-15-2003, 11:58 AM
I hear ya Cheeses. I was never really impressed with him while with the Cubs (yeah, I watched a game or two when it didn't conflict with the Sox game and I always cheered for the opposing team!!!) - he's the only part of the deal I don't like, but Colon more than makes up for it.

Procol Harum
01-15-2003, 12:00 PM
Gordon is no hot shakes, but it is a step to shore up the 'pen. Let's hope it pans out.

Meatpants
01-15-2003, 12:06 PM
You can never have enough arms in the pen, especially guys with experience.

Obviously it won't be a long-term deal, so it's nothing but upside for the Sox.

Dadawg_77
01-15-2003, 12:17 PM
You know the Gordon to Koch should make a nice 8-9 punch.

nixsox
01-15-2003, 12:36 PM
He's an ex cub and a whiner. If he doesn't get his playing time he'll make that clubhouse a disaster. Remember when the Cubs wouldn't let him be the full time closer? All he did was complain. I hope he can understand his role with the Sox and make a great 1-2 punch with Koch.

OfficerKarkovice
01-15-2003, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by nixsox
He's an ex cub and a whiner. If he doesn't get his playing time he'll make that clubhouse a disaster. Remember when the Cubs wouldn't let him be the full time closer? All he did was complain. I hope he can understand his role with the Sox and make a great 1-2 punch with Koch.

The thing is...he probably should have gotten a chance to close for the Cubs if he was healthy...Alfonseca sucks. I don't see how he can in any way believe that he should close over Koch and hopefully can help us get to Koch in the 9th. We are going to have a heck of a bullpen this year.

MetalliSox
01-15-2003, 12:53 PM
Gordon will be effective in a limited role. He isn't gonna close and he won't go long relief. If he comes in and pitches an inning here and there, I think he could be good.
I never really had an opinion on him, but if healthy, he has pretty nasty stuff.

I just hope he understands he will not be used as a closer and can help with the loss of Osuna.

HawkDJ
01-15-2003, 12:56 PM
He's not that bad. 3.37 ERA last year w/ Cubs and Astors and 3.38 ERA the year before. Marte will still be our set up guy but its nice to have him in our pen with Osuna gone. I'd say another good job by KW.

hold2dibber
01-15-2003, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by nixsox
He's an ex cub and a whiner. If he doesn't get his playing time he'll make that clubhouse a disaster. Remember when the Cubs wouldn't let him be the full time closer? All he did was complain. I hope he can understand his role with the Sox and make a great 1-2 punch with Koch.

If he signs with the Sox, he obviously will know that Koch is the closer, so he would have no reason to complain. And I think he's a great replacement for Osuna - in fact, if he's healthy, he's better than Osuna. When he got healthy last year, he was pretty damn good. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=4279)

34 Inch Stick
01-15-2003, 01:00 PM
Let's not forget Glover. When he came out of the bullpen last year he was incredibly good. He and Marte will get us from the 7th to the 9th very nicely.

Also throw in the number of innings that Colon pitches and our bullpen will be well rested and deep. No arms dragging at the end of this year.

Huisj
01-15-2003, 01:04 PM
I don't like gordon at all. he'll probably come into a game the first week of the season, give up a single, double, walk, and a single, and then strike a guy out and spin around and point at the sky in his obnoxious way, and then go on the DL for 6 weeks with a strained something or other.

jortafan
01-15-2003, 01:06 PM
What do we need Cub rejects for?

alohafri
01-15-2003, 01:11 PM
Two words: ex-Cub Factor.

Lip Man 1
01-15-2003, 01:14 PM
Gordon still has a knee buckling 12 / 6 curve ball. If he's not overused he should be effective.

And I have no problem with getting ex Cubs who can actually play. It never hurts from a PR standpoint in Chicago.

Lip

OfficerKarkovice
01-15-2003, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by jortafan
What do we need Cub rejects for?
Well he's been with the Astros since he was with the Cubs so maybe that washed a little stank off of him. Flash has been a fantastic pitcher in the past (46 saves to 1 BS in `98...Rolaids Reliever of the year). Also you can never underestimate the value of solid veteran pitching. I think he is a better pitcher than Osuna and look at what we got out of him.

Iguana775
01-15-2003, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
You know the Gordon to Koch should make a nice 8-9 punch.

i think marte will be the 8th inning guy.

pudge
01-15-2003, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Gordon still has a knee buckling 12 / 6 curve ball. If he's not overused he should be effective.

And I have no problem with getting ex Cubs who can actually play. It never hurts from a PR standpoint in Chicago.

Lip

We gotta get something to make up for Osuna... bottom line, we became a weaker team when we lost 3 guys for Colon, no matter how great Colon is... so now we gotta fill back in the holes, I'll take anybody at this point...

hold2dibber
01-15-2003, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by pudge
We gotta get something to make up for Osuna... bottom line, we became a weaker team when we lost 3 guys for Colon, no matter how great Colon is... so now we gotta fill back in the holes, I'll take anybody at this point...

Huh? We got weaker by adding Colon for three easily replaceable guys? Here's how it lines up:

We're replacing Biddle with Colon. Clearly, we've improved significantly.

We're replacing Liefer with Rios (reportedly). I'd say they're comparable, except that Rios won't be a malcontent like Liefer was.

We're replacing Osuna with Gordon. IMHO, Gordon (if healthy) is better than Osuna.

The minor leaguers appear to be a wash (unless someone who knows more than I tells me otherwise).

The Sox clearly are not weaker after these deals.

wsox4ever
01-15-2003, 04:05 PM
If the sox really did pick up Gordon today, I like the move. He is always in pretty good shape and he definitely will not be abused pitching in relief until he is absolutely healthy. The cubs didn't have much of a bullpen in 2000 so he probably pitched more than usual. If he stays healthy, he can be a top set up man. KW seems to be on a roll.

Dadawg_77
01-15-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Iguana775
i think marte will be the 8th inning guy.

If Flash is healthy use him in the setup role. Use Marte as a Lefty specialist and stopper when ever trouble pops up. I think he would be more effective in that role then Flash would be.

delben91
01-15-2003, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by wsox4ever
If the sox really did pick up Gordon today, I like the move. He is always in pretty good shape and he definitely will not be abused pitching in relief until he is absolutely healthy. The cubs didn't have much of a bullpen in 2000 so he probably pitched more than usual. If he stays healthy, he can be a top set up man. KW seems to be on a roll.

Hey, welcome aboard!

I also would really like the idea of the Sox signing Gordon. If he's healthy I think he's a more than adequate replacement for Osuna.

jeremyb1
01-15-2003, 04:24 PM
i think gordon's a suitable replacement for osuna. the key with him is health. i'd rather see glover as the setup man as i feel he's as effective a reliever as we have. i think that gordon could be a good fit though.

gosox3072
01-15-2003, 05:18 PM
Pick Gordon up, we would have a hell of a pen with him added to it!!!!!

RedPinStripes
01-15-2003, 07:19 PM
Here's what i have to say about "flash"

**** HIM!

He'll do more whining if anything while he's here if he 's not the closer and manuel will do more tinkering.

gogosoxgogo
01-15-2003, 07:28 PM
If we got Gordon, he would be our 7th inning guy. Marte is better than him and our setup guy for the 8th inning to get to Koch. I like the sound of those three closing out the last three innings. Add to that Glover who has been extremely effective as a reliever, and then our entire slew of minor league pitchers who could make an appearance in our pen next year.

gogosoxgogo
01-15-2003, 07:34 PM
Just checked up on Glover's stats as a reliever last year:

0-1 1.21 ERA 16K 9BB 22.1IP and 1/1 in SV/SVO

Boy, do I welcome a change for him to move to the bullpen :)

pudge
01-15-2003, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
Huh? We got weaker by adding Colon for three easily replaceable guys? Here's how it lines up:

We're replacing Biddle with Colon. Clearly, we've improved significantly.

We're replacing Liefer with Rios (reportedly). I'd say they're comparable, except that Rios won't be a malcontent like Liefer was.

We're replacing Osuna with Gordon. IMHO, Gordon (if healthy) is better than Osuna.

The minor leaguers appear to be a wash (unless someone who knows more than I tells me otherwise).

The Sox clearly are not weaker after these deals.

My comment was before we replaced the other guys - as of now (if we get Gordon) I agree, we are a much better team.

fuzzy_patters
01-15-2003, 07:42 PM
This ex-Cub thing is overstated. I don't think too many of you would mind having Lou Brock, Rafael Palmeiro, Joe Carter, or Greg Maddux in their primes.

gogosoxgogo
01-15-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by fuzzy_patters
This ex-Cub thing is overstated. I don't think too many of you would mind having Lou Brock, Rafael Palmeiro, Joe Carter, or Greg Maddux in their primes.

I wouldn't mind having any of those guys now.

fuzzy_patters
01-15-2003, 07:46 PM
I wouldn't mind having any of those guys now.

Hmmmm, I think Brock is a little old.

gogosoxgogo
01-15-2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by fuzzy_patters
Hmmmm, I think Brock is a little old.

Yeah, I know, it was a joke.