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Jjav829
12-18-2002, 08:38 PM
Here is my summary of KW's time on The Score.

(Jiggs questions)

Q: Asked about the Koch deal and why Valentine was given up in the trade.
A: KW says he likes Valentine's fastball and slider, but feels that the Sox have a team that can compete now and in the coming years. Says he has tried to get Koch for years now. Wants a strong bullpen to try and be like the Mariners of a few years ago where once they got through the 6th, they would feel confident. He was looking for more certainty because he didn't know where Foulke fit in, plus Foulke is a FA. Says Beane didn't think he could afford Koch next year. Talked about Neal Cotts and says that Cotts is Buehrle like-has the ability to make good hitters swing and miss. Feels the deal might be good for both teams.

Q: Asked about Buehrle's contract and asked if they will sit down and talk about a long term deal soon.
A: KW says that he likes to keep these types of things private but says that they have put their best foot forward. Offered to put Buehrle ahead of guys like Hudson, Zito, Sabathia. They were rejected. Agreed mutually that they were too far apart to keep talking right now. Says Mark won't be going anywhere soon since he is under contract until 2006. Buehrle will be with them for a while. KW says he thought it was a good offer and feels Buehrle is a quality guy, besides being a quality pitcher. Says he can't say enough about him. Unfortunate that they couldn't give him some security right now.

(They go to phone lines)

Q: Why was Bruce Kimm signed and what will he do to help the Sox baserunning? What did Ritchie do last year to make them bring him back this year.
A: KW says Santana will work with infield and baserunning. The emphasis will be with full coaching staff, not just one guy. Bruce Kimm was one of the most respected guys in business before going to Cubs, doesn't think that his time with the Cubs ruined his reputation. He was with Florida and won a championship. Knows Jerry, and there won't be a feeling out process. Kimm will address issues to Jerry about what needs to be done to make team better. They will have comfort. (Didn't answer Ritchie question, because Jiggs cut him off)

Q: We have mostly righties and no real lefty since Ventura. What will happen to address that. Also asks about Thomas' team chemistry.
A: Feels that there is a team message and that Thomas will learn to fit in with that. Wants to have better team chemistry. (Comes back to Ritchie question because he doesn't want to skip any questions) Says that they made a minor adjust to his mechanics last year and he pitched through pain. Hopes to sign him in the next few days so he can show us what he can do. Idealy wants a team with good pitching, balance, etc. They have evolved into a right handed hitting team, but a good right handed hitting team. Feels Thomas will produce better numbers last year. Would like to have a left handed hitter, but they have what they have now. Can't go wave a wand and get what he wants.

(Jiggs again)

Q: What the situation with Parque?
A: Tender date is coming up and they need to tender him a contract or let him go. There is a possibility that they could bring him back after that date. Still conidering options.

Q: Talks about Ritchie and asks KW if he could unwind the deal, would he?
A: He says that would be disrespectful to Todd and that they felt the deal was right at the time. Sat around with everyone concerned to try to make good deals. Knew that Kip could possibly go somewhere else and go well. They didn't think that would happen here in Chicago. Surprised by Fogg and says he fell off in the second half but understands that people don't want to talk about that. Talks about Bobby Fontaine and how he brought in the talent to the Angels and was fired. Tries to make best decision and understands that some will work out and some won't.

Q: Were you clsoe to making a deal at the winter meetings?
A: Laughs. Says he is always on the phone with other clubs because he gets bored. Says that a signing happened yesterday that they were after (Byrd, obviously) but he didn't want to talk about names. Says he felt that there was a difference maker out there who was traded recently and that he has been depressed since. (Ortiz) The offer that the other team gave blew his offer away. He doesn't want to mention names even though other teams do because of tampering issues and such.

(back to the phones)

Q: Question about fan attendance and asked at what time they take a risk at signing a FA and hope that it will bring the crowds back.
A: Complains about them extending themselves in the past few years. Talks about Wells and other injuries in 2001 and says he thought that they could strike it with that deal. Also felt that last year with Ritchie and Lofton would help them but then they fizzled out.

(Jiggs)

Q: Which way do you go? Fans come out, then you spend, or you spend, then fans come out?
A: Says that they have to prove to fans that they are putting a winning team on the field. The PR staff is doing things to draw fans out and bring them closer to the players. Ultimately it comes down to whether they field a winning ballclub. Wouldn't have it any other way and hopes they are close. Sensed some excitement from fans and hopes that the young players along with veterans with help fans. Fans communciated to him that they liked some of the young players. Says that the fans have also communicated that they don't want to hear about the attendance issue, so he doesn't want to make a big deal about it.

(back to phones)

Q: Fan calls saying he has been a fan for 50 years and asks KW to name him one good trade he made. Talks about the team having holes.
A: Says everyone has right to their opinion. Says he told them not to screen calls. Wants fans to get stuff off their chest. Says he is a pashionate Raiders fan and understands the pashion fans have. Feels they have a different of opinion and likes the way the team is set up. Likes Rowand in center even though he isn't a prototypical CF and likes his heart. When asked about Borchard he says that Borchard needs more seasoning and he has mechanical problems. Would be an injustice to him to subject him to major league pitching now. Likes Willie Harris. They also like Jimenez and jokes that maybe the caller doesn't like any of the guys they traded for. Brings up his Marte trade with Guerrier and also mentions they got Yan. Mentions a bunch of names that they like. Talks about the back end of their bullpen coming through trades.

(Jiggs)
Q: Asks why Koch was traded twice within 2 years.
A: KW says Koch has no clubhouse issues and wants gamers. The Erstad types, Rowand types, Paul Konerko types, and thats what Koch is. Says he fought it out with Beane for Koch when he was in Toronto. Once again brings up the A's not being able to afford him in 2003. Says they proposal was even so that the A's would have Foulke in 2003 and then Valentine. Feels they have a lot of good relievers so losing Valentine wasn't that big.

(phones)

Q: This caller says he liked KW's trades even though the last caller didn't and feels KW will bring a winner soon.
A: The thinking in trades has to be solid and he has to answer if trades don't work out.

Q: Asked about Barcelo not being on the 40 man roster and asks why the Sox couldn't afford Paul Byrd. Asked about budget and why the Sox are so close but never get over the bump.
A: Says they tried to do that with Ritchie, and Wells. Says they were hot on Moyer and had many conversations trying to get Moyer. Says scouts didn't feel Byrd was a difference maker, even though he had a good year last year. They can't spend like Dodgers, Red Sox, even Cubs. Scouts didn't feel that Byrd could repeat last year, so they had to pass on that. Feels a guy like Rauch or Biddle could help them try to have a good young staff.

Q: Asked about Liefer and if they have given up on him. Also if they could get a guy like Maddux who could help teach the young pitchers.
A: KW says that the caller was perceptive. Says he hasn't lost confident in Liefer and that he went to Puerto Rico recently to talk to Jeff. If he had lost confidence with Liefer, he would not be here. Believes Liefer can be productive but Liefer is stuck behind Carlos, Magglio, and Konerko. Manuel said that he did Liefer an injustice last year by not playing him enough.

Q: Brings up Reinsdorf talking about brining a World Series to Chicago after he won with the Bulls. Talks about Reinsdorf not spending the money to bring a big player in.
A: Says it brings them back to Maddux and David Wells. Says Reinsdorf did not hesitate to tell KW to pull the trigger on David Wells. Feels that they have some guys like Wright and Garland who will help. Says that Reinsdorf will spend the money. Asks fans to trust him and wants to win a World Series by the time he leaves or it will have been a failure. Wants to be able to look in the mirror and say he gave it his best shot.

I had to break it here because of the maximum characters allowed in each post. The rest follows in the next post.

Jjav829
12-18-2002, 08:38 PM
...continued

(Jiggs)

Q: Asked about him going into the clubhouse and how many times he has been in there and isn't that the managers job.
A: Says that it isn't true and talks about the players not staying out for BP the whole 45 minutes and that is when he went into the clubhouse. Says he did go into the clubhouse in 2001. First day of camp he talks to the club about what is expected. The other time he talked to them was when he fired Joshua and told the players that they shared in the resposibility because he fired a friend in Joshua. Certain things are expected from the players. Says he doesn't care if people have issues with him going into the clubhouse because he feels thats his job. Says most GM's today haven't played so they might be less confortable challeninging a guy. He has done that, even though he didn't do it well. Checks with Manuel each day

Q: Asked about Thomas situation and how tough it was.
A: Says that if Thomas is as committed as he says he is, then he feels Frank will put up the numbers again. He has a desire for guys to have a complete team attitude and thats the way it is, whether you like it or not. Frank is going to work with Walt Hriniak and says that Gary Ward suggested that Frank work with Walt.

(phones)

Q: Caller says that the best trade he made was the one that he didn't make, that he didn't trade Carlos. Feels Carlos may have a monster year. Feels that KW shouldn't have had to talk to team about being out there for BP, that that is Manuel's job. Asks his feelings about their 1st rounder this year.
A: Loves Royce Ring. Thats all he got to about the caller because The Score has to go to a basketball game so Jiggs cut KW off.


Wow, I never though I would love commercial breaks as much as I did during this interview. I didn't take the time to reread this whole thing and proofread it, so if there are a lot of spelling errors, etc. you'll have to try and read around it. If you have any questions about something I typed or anything else let me know.

WinningUgly!
12-18-2002, 08:58 PM
Thank you for putting the time in to do this recap...much appreciated!

Iguana775
12-18-2002, 08:59 PM
great job!! thanks!! :gulp:

hose
12-18-2002, 09:10 PM
excellent report

Daver
12-18-2002, 09:23 PM
Excellent job Jjav,thank you,all of us that had their radios run over by a backhoe on the job appreciate the effort.

:redneck

kermittheefrog
12-18-2002, 10:03 PM
That was totally sweet dude. AWESOME recap.

Lip Man 1
12-18-2002, 10:07 PM
Thank you for doing this.

A few impressions.....

1. So Kenny wants us to TRUST HIM ? (LOL) I'd sooner trust Sadaam! (at least he seems to know what he wants)

2. And so begins "payback" time for Mark Buehrle! (can you say Jack McDowell revisted?) All together now, let's start singing "Meet Me In St. Louis in 2007!"

It's hard to tell what's really going on because you can't hear the tone of a voice response or any inflections... but overall it sounded like (as Aerosmith told us...) "it's the same old story, same old song and dance, my friend..."

Lip

idseer
12-18-2002, 10:18 PM
i appreciate the work too, Jjav. being from out of state i never get to hear stuff like this. good job! :smile:

voodoochile
12-18-2002, 10:23 PM
Thanks much, unlike Daver, I still have my radios, but using them can be difficult at best, so I certainly appreciate the effort.

My impression is that KW answered all the questions to the best of his ability while not disclosing too much. I do respect his decision to take open calls and not to back away from people who called him out.

Jjav829
12-18-2002, 10:32 PM
Your welcome. :smile: Overall I thought he did a good job. He was in studio for the show and expressed that he was nervous about doing so. I give him a lot of credit for coming on, and not having the phone calls screened like others do. I was surprised by the Buehrle info. If they did offer him more than Zito, Hudson, and Sabathia then I can't blame him for not trying to sign him. He also helped to clear up some of the Ortiz stuff by saying that he was after him, but he was simply outbid.

Viva Magglio
12-18-2002, 10:47 PM
I've taken more than my fair share of shots at KW, but I commend him for coming on the Score and taking unscreened calls from fans. It certainly was not like the Monday night "Bears Insider" and "Bears Management Report" where Hub Arkush protects Dick Jauron, Ted Phillips, and Jerry Angelo from irate fans' questions and comments. I thought Jiggetts handled the show properly (far better than Arkush would have), and fans got to ask sensitive questions like the one about KW in the clubhouse.

Jjav829
12-18-2002, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
I've taken more than my fair share of shots at KW, but I commend him for coming on the Score and taking unscreened calls from fans. It certainly was not like the Monday night "Bears Insider" and "Bears Management Report" where Hub Arkush protects Dick Jauron, Ted Phillips, and Jerry Angelo from irate fans' questions and comments. I thought Jiggetts handled the show properly (far better than Arkush would have), and fans got to ask sensitive questions like the one about KW in the clubhouse.

Agreed. I thought Jiggs handled it properly, letting the caller take their shots on KW, giving them a little time to vent/express their feelings, and then making them get to their question.

RichH55
12-18-2002, 11:13 PM
Very Nice Job

RichH55
12-18-2002, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by ˇViva Mágglio!
I've taken more than my fair share of shots at KW, but I commend him for coming on the Score and taking unscreened calls from fans. It certainly was not like the Monday night "Bears Insider" and "Bears Management Report" where Hub Arkush protects Dick Jauron, Ted Phillips, and Jerry Angelo from irate fans' questions and comments. I thought Jiggetts handled the show properly (far better than Arkush would have), and fans got to ask sensitive questions like the one about KW in the clubhouse.


At least he is man enough to take it...KW isnt the best GM, but he wants to win and will take heat for it if they dont....that is something that can be built on...and hopefully fans will appreciate honesty

duke of dorwood
12-18-2002, 11:16 PM
The work is greatly appreciated.

The one comment that got me:

He's depressed?

Spend a day as a fan.

RichH55
12-18-2002, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Thank you for doing this.

A few impressions.....

1. So Kenny wants us to TRUST HIM ? (LOL) I'd sooner trust Sadaam! (at least he seems to know what he wants)

2. And so begins "payback" time for Mark Buehrle! (can you say Jack McDowell revisted?) All together now, let's start singing "Meet Me In St. Louis in 2007!"

It's hard to tell what's really going on because you can't hear the tone of a voice response or any inflections... but overall it sounded like (as Aerosmith told us...) "it's the same old story, same old song and dance, my friend..."

Lip


What more do you want for the guy Lip? You have worked in the media, I think you of all people would give KW some credit here. He opened himself up, was very forthcoming.......You really want your pound of flesh dont you?

gogosoxgogo
12-18-2002, 11:23 PM
sigh... damn Buerhle. I know it won't be until 2006, but I'm already going to miss him. I can't say I blame him, though, for wanting to leave this mess.

duke of dorwood
12-18-2002, 11:24 PM
In KW's defense, it's hard to come on like that when they have nothing positive in the works after a disappointing season

LongDistanceFan
12-18-2002, 11:41 PM
great job at the recap.

btw, winningugly, great pict.

voodoochile
12-18-2002, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by LongDistanceFan
great job at the recap.

btw, winningugly, great pict.

Hey LDF, long time no post. Welcome back. Hope to see more of you around here...

MarkEdward
12-18-2002, 11:57 PM
First, good job on the report.

Second, it seems like Kenny handled himself pretty well tonight. He still has a lot of time to work out a deal for Buehrle. I liked his comment about Paul Byrd. I hated his "gamer" comment. "Gamer" to me is a player who has few skills, but can run and attempt to make diving plays on defense.

Lip Man 1
12-19-2002, 12:09 AM
No question I give him credit for coming on but as others pointed out he didn't say much of anything. He's a great politician I'll say that for him.

He says he was "outbid" by the Braves? Damian Moss? OK sure Kenny whatever you say...

Guys, anybody can say anything he wants, the bottom line... results. Period.

What have you done to improve the team Kenny? Why not Kenny?

He brought in Billy Koch, that's nice. (Although some folks have already stated they think it'll be another bad deal but we'll see...)

Has he shored up the starting rotation? Has he picked up a center fielder? Has he acquired a catcher??

He wants us to trust him???

This doesn't take away him having the "stones" to go on radio, but when you do something like that you have to actually say something.

Stop being politically correct Kenny, tell us "specifically" who you were trying to get, who you spoke with and why you couldn't get it done. Stop hiding being the "tampering" garbage. Other teams tell their fans who they are trying to get, and what's taking place. It doesn't seem to hurt them any. Just an opinion but that "tampering" comment is a smoke screen.

Heaven forbid he actually say who he went after because maybe somebody might check on him (like a Steve Rosenbloom?)

Lip

rmusacch
12-19-2002, 12:16 AM
Yes great job.

CHISOXFAN13
12-19-2002, 12:17 AM
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but Damian Moss won 12 games for a playoff team last year. He's also a left-handed starter with tremendous upside. Plus, they got an additional prospect in the deal.

What could we have offered because I'm sure at this point if he gave up too much, you'd be all over him for doing so.

Lip Man 1
12-19-2002, 12:18 AM
Duke:

EXCELLENT point about it being hard because the team really hasn't done anything positive.

Which begs the question, who is in charge of "doing something positive" in the first place? Maybe the GM?

Lip

Lip Man 1
12-19-2002, 12:24 AM
ChiSox:

Just as some disagree over the Koch - Foulke deal, we're going to disagree over this.

All I know is that I read all Summer in TSN how the Braves were upset with Moss. How even some of their minor league prospects passed him by in their thinking and that they were going to get rid of him.

Ken Rosenthal said the same thing on the Peter Brown show yesterday on The Sporting News radio network. He said the Braves stole Ortiz. Apparently part of the issue is that Moss is difficult to coach and had some problems with the Braves staff.

Just for what it's worth.

Lip

IronFisk
12-19-2002, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by CHISOXFAN13
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but Damian Moss won 12 games for a playoff team last year. He's also a left-handed starter with tremendous upside. Plus, they got an additional prospect in the deal.

What could we have offered because I'm sure at this point if he gave up too much, you'd be all over him for doing so.

Great point. I read all the replys to Gammons "prediction", and the sentiment was that if KW parts with PK on the trade, then riots would ensue. C'mon, give the guy a break - at least this time.

jeremyb1
12-19-2002, 01:19 AM
great recap. i've really been pleased with just about everything kw has said and done this season. i disagree with some of the moves he's made and if the stuff about his clubhouse antics are true that's completely unacceptable but he's made several really great deals (jimenez, glover, harris), he knows how to evaluate young talent (at least other teams young talent) and i think he's a pretty smart guy. its not impossible for him to turn it around yet.

Lip Man 1
12-19-2002, 01:41 AM
If you look back at the posts you'll see I didn't say one word, one way or another on Ortiz for Konerko.

Maybe it's just because I had a feeling Williams would find a way to screw it up.

But feel free to check the posts for yourself.

Lip

Lip Man 1
12-19-2002, 01:42 AM
Jeremy, I guess you never heard about the throwing the food, swearing rant by Williams did you?

Lip

jeremyb1
12-19-2002, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Jeremy, I guess you never heard about the throwing the food, swearing rant by Williams did you?


no, not that specifically. i was referring to what he'd said to the press about making moves and his actual moves (or lack thereof more acurately since i wasn't a huge fan of the koch deal).

RichH55
12-19-2002, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
In KW's defense, it's hard to come on like that when they have nothing positive in the works after a disappointing season


Isnt losing Royce addition by subtraction?

RichH55
12-19-2002, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by CHISOXFAN13
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but Damian Moss won 12 games for a playoff team last year. He's also a left-handed starter with tremendous upside. Plus, they got an additional prospect in the deal.

What could we have offered because I'm sure at this point if he gave up too much, you'd be all over him for doing so.

Hes no Jeff Liefer:)

RichH55
12-19-2002, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by CHISOXFAN13
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but Damian Moss won 12 games for a playoff team last year. He's also a left-handed starter with tremendous upside. Plus, they got an additional prospect in the deal.

What could we have offered because I'm sure at this point if he gave up too much, you'd be all over him for doing so.


All good points....Lip will tell you that the Braves werent that high on Moss....Lip I ask "So what?" Doesn't it matter how SF rated him? If Sabean thought getting Moss would help more than the Liefer, Harris, Malone trio, isnt that the paramount issue? I also saw you try to spin the Rogers(?) story against KW as if it had said definatively that KW was the one to turn it down.

There are two ways to make arguments. Do all the research and create a case based on what it tells you. OR Formulate an opinion and make sure that you spin all the information to back up that opinion.

I know there is plenty to pick on with this organization. Plenty of material for a pessimist to work with. My second question is "You have all this negative stuff to work with, why make stuff out of nothing?"

Kilroy
12-19-2002, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by RichH55
All good points....Lip will tell you that the Braves werent that high on Moss....Lip I ask "So what?" Doesn't it matter how SF rated him? If Sabean thought getting Moss would help more than the Liefer, Harris, Malone trio, isnt that the paramount issue? I also saw you try to spin the Rogers(?) story against KW as if it had said definatively that KW was the one to turn it down.

There are two ways to make arguments. Do all the research and create a case based on what it tells you. OR Formulate an opinion and make sure that you spin all the information to back up that opinion.

I know there is plenty to pick on with this organization. Plenty of material for a pessimist to work with. My second question is "You have all this negative stuff to work with, why make stuff out of nothing?"

I think the proverbial nail has just been hit on its proverbial head.

OEO Magglio
12-19-2002, 11:48 AM
Yes, we did get out bid with Damian Moss, he did win 12 games, and he did have a better era then Ortiz, and he's younger then Ortiz , that is a pretty good deal for the giants, and they also got a good prospect packaged into the deal

Randar68
12-19-2002, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Jjav829
...continued

(Jiggs)

Q: Asked about Thomas situation and how tough it was.
A: Says that if Thomas is as committed as he says he is, then he feels Frank will put up the numbers again. He has a desire for guys to have a complete team attitude and thats the way it is, whether you like it or not. Frank is going to work with Walt Hriniak and says that Gary Ward suggested that Frank work with Walt.


Best Sox news I've heard all offseason. Frank is in for a HUGE year, bank on it.

joecrede
12-19-2002, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1

Stop being politically correct Kenny, tell us "specifically" who you were trying to get, who you spoke with and why you couldn't get it done. Stop hiding being the "tampering" garbage. Other teams tell their fans who they are trying to get, and what's taking place. It doesn't seem to hurt them any. Just an opinion but that "tampering" comment is a smoke screen.

Heaven forbid he actually say who he went after because maybe somebody might check on him (like a Steve Rosenbloom?)

Lip

Remember when the Ordonez-for-Griffey deal rumor was posted here? One of the first replies was I bet Maggs is feeling real good about the organization right now or something to that effect. These talks have to be secretive because chances are they go nowhere and you don't want your player to feel "unwanted".

Hangar18
12-19-2002, 03:07 PM
Hey Jav...thanks for the Recap, I wanted to listen/Call in really bad, but had to work late.
Im very surprised to hear that they didnt screen calls like I wouldve figured. Hes definitely earned some very Much
Needed Brownie Pts with the fans, myself included.
Let me catch him on the street though and Id still
vent a bit more......

doublem23
12-19-2002, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by OEO Magglio
Yes, we did get out bid with Damian Moss, he did win 12 games, and he did have a better era then Ortiz, and he's younger then Ortiz , that is a pretty good deal for the giants, and they also got a good prospect packaged into the deal

No, of course not. Kenny screwed the deal up.

I'm as big a KW basher as there is, but he didn't screw this one up. To top Moss, he'd probably have to have dealt Konerko, and then everyone would be calling for a good ol' Holiday lynching.

hold2dibber
12-19-2002, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
He says he was "outbid" by the Braves? Damian Moss? OK sure Kenny whatever you say...


For whatever it's worth, Ken Rosenthal of TSN reports that scouts agree that Ortiz may be headed for injury problems (http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/ken_rosenthal/mailbag/20021217.html). However, he has nothing negative to say about Moss.