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RichH55
12-08-2002, 08:45 AM
Left-hander Jamie Moyer, 40, got a three-year, $15.5 million contract to stay with the Seattle Mariners--a deal that includes $6 million in performance bonuses in the final season.


Whats the like 5 million and change a year? Son of a ....

Seriously , 5 million>? Cmon...no reason we shouldnt be in on that...granted we would have probably had to pay more...but Moyer answers a serious problem and does it for a pretty good contract....thats just ridiculous

TornLabrum
12-08-2002, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by RichH55
Left-hander Jamie Moyer, 40, got a three-year, $15.5 million contract to stay with the Seattle Mariners--a deal that includes $6 million in performance bonuses in the final season.


Whats the like 5 million and change a year? Son of a ....

Seriously , 5 million>? Cmon...no reason we shouldnt be in on that...granted we would have probably had to pay more...but Moyer answers a serious problem and does it for a pretty good contract....thats just ridiculous

And Moyer will only be 43 when his contract expires.

duke of dorwood
12-08-2002, 10:21 AM
How could anyone really have wanted this guy? I'm gonna learn to throw left handed-theres $ to be given away for that

RichH55
12-08-2002, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
And Moyer will only be 43 when his contract expires.

Hell he throws 83 now, how much slower can he get?

TornLabrum
12-08-2002, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by RichH55
Hell he throws 83 now, how much slower can he get?

As one who is looking back at forty 'way back in the distance in the rear view mirror, I can tell you, a lot more goes than speed.

RichH55
12-08-2002, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
As one who is looking back at forty 'way back in the distance in the rear view mirror, I can tell you, a lot more goes than speed.

I think last year was his best year of his career.....its not everyone, but some do get better with age

RichH55
12-08-2002, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by duke of dorwood
How could anyone really have wanted this guy? I'm gonna learn to throw left handed-theres $ to be given away for that
Season TM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
1996 Bos 23 10 0 0 90.0 111 50 45 14 27 50 7 1 0 1 -- 4.50
1996 Sea 11 11 0 0 70.2 66 36 26 9 19 29 6 2 0 0 -- 3.31
1996 -- 34 21 0 0 160.2 177 86 71 23 46 79 13 3 0 1 -- 3.98
1997 Sea 30 30 2 0 188.2 187 82 81 21 43 113 17 5 0 0 -- 3.86
1998 Sea 34 34 4 3 234.1 234 99 92 23 42 158 15 9 0 0 -- 3.53
1999 Sea 32 32 4 0 228.0 235 108 98 23 48 137 14 8 0 0 -- 3.87
2000 Sea 26 26 0 0 154.0 173 103 94 22 53 98 13 10 0 0 -- 5.49
2001 Sea 33 33 1 0 209.2 187 84 80 24 44 119 20 6 0 0 -- 3.43
2002 Sea 34 34 4 2 230.2 198 89 85 28 50 147 13 8 0 0 -- 3.32
Total -- 439 387 25 8 2522.2 2586 1259 1160 295 714 1528 164 125 0 2 2 4.14


Sorry It doesnt show well....but last year 3.32 ERA, the year before 3.43 ERA......4 CG last year with 2 SO...not too shabby

13-8 this last year and 20-6 the year before.....Plus he's a veteran, which should be helpful(shades of Cal Eldred), especially since he is a "thinking" pitcher who doesnt rely on just have great stuff(since he doesnt)

He's had one bad year in the last 7, and that bad year wasnt the last two....Plus he's a leftie...what is the problem here?

He signed for roughly 5 million a year with a chance for a big bonus that last year if he pitches well....How much did Todd Ritchie make last year? The last two years he has pitched over 200 IP in each. And from 1998-2002 he only failed to pitch 200 IP once. And I reiterate that was not last year either.

He is coming off a very fine season for a Seattle club in baseball's hardest division and not having its best year. I ask again, who wouldnt want Moyer?

hold2dibber
12-08-2002, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by RichH55
I think last year was his best year of his career.....its not everyone, but some do get better with age

This only proves the point; if last year was his best year, do you really think he's going to get better now? Or even maintain that level? If he did, it would be absolutely historic. Moyer has nowhere to go but down. If I'm a GM, I'd give him 2 yrs/$10mm at the most. He is only two years removed from an ERA over 5.00! I mean, he's okay, but they'd be much better off either dealing some minor league talent for a young, top tier starter, signing an "on the cheap" free agent with significant upside (e.g., Daal or Valdes - I wouldn't at all be surprised if either of those guys put up numbers as good as or better than Moyer over the next few years and they'll do it for a lot less $), or using the money to tie up Buehrle and find a center fielder then let the young guns get the starts.

RichH55
12-08-2002, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
This only proves the point; if last year was his best year, do you really think he's going to get better now? Or even maintain that level? If he did, it would be absolutely historic. Moyer has nowhere to go but down. If I'm a GM, I'd give him 2 yrs/$10mm at the most. He is only two years removed from an ERA over 5.00! I mean, he's okay, but they'd be much better off either dealing some minor league talent for a young, top tier starter, signing an "on the cheap" free agent with significant upside (e.g., Daal or Valdes - I wouldn't at all be surprised if either of those guys put up numbers as good as or better than Moyer over the next few years and they'll do it for a lot less $), or using the money to tie up Buehrle and find a center fielder then let the young guns get the starts.

Read my previous post...you are offbase

RichH55
12-08-2002, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by hold2dibber
This only proves the point; if last year was his best year, do you really think he's going to get better now? Or even maintain that level? If he did, it would be absolutely historic. Moyer has nowhere to go but down. If I'm a GM, I'd give him 2 yrs/$10mm at the most. He is only two years removed from an ERA over 5.00! I mean, he's okay, but they'd be much better off either dealing some minor league talent for a young, top tier starter, signing an "on the cheap" free agent with significant upside (e.g., Daal or Valdes - I wouldn't at all be surprised if either of those guys put up numbers as good as or better than Moyer over the next few years and they'll do it for a lot less $), or using the money to tie up Buehrle and find a center fielder then let the young guns get the starts.


How much less than 5 million per do you think Daal and Valdes are going to get? Unless they are signing for the league min I doubt there is a huge difference in salaries. Moyer's last two years have arguably been the best of his career

Lip Man 1
12-08-2002, 01:05 PM
Don't hold your breath on Daal or Valdes either. These are the White Sox...the Sox don't give out long term deals to pitchers (even though EVERY other MLB team does!)

Lip

MarkEdward
12-08-2002, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Don't hold your breath on Daal or Valdes either. These are the White Sox...the Sox don't give out long term deals to pitchers (even though EVERY other MLB team does!)

Lip

Would you sign Jamie Moyer for anything over two years? He's 40, and not a power pitcher. Any contract over three years is ridiculous.

jeremyb1
12-08-2002, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by RichH55
Left-hander Jamie Moyer, 40, got a three-year, $15.5 million contract to stay with the Seattle Mariners--a deal that includes $6 million in performance bonuses in the final season.


Whats the like 5 million and change a year? Son of a ....

Seriously , 5 million>? Cmon...no reason we shouldnt be in on that...granted we would have probably had to pay more...but Moyer answers a serious problem and does it for a pretty good contract....thats just ridiculous

moyer was supposedly towards the top of our list. i'm sure we would've paid him that. he was supposedly asking for 9 million a year for three years but decided to take less to return to the m's.

RichH55
12-08-2002, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
moyer was supposedly towards the top of our list. i'm sure we would've paid him that. he was supposedly asking for 9 million a year for three years but decided to take less to return to the m's.


That 9 million figure was always smoke and mirrors....I didnt figure he would go as low as he did, but that 9 million was never happening

jeremyb1
12-08-2002, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by RichH55
That 9 million figure was always smoke and mirrors....I didnt figure he would go as low as he did, but that 9 million was never happening

not 9 million but the phillies supposedly made a really strong push. there's no way they weren't offering more than the m's.

RichH55
12-08-2002, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by jeremyb1
not 9 million but the phillies supposedly made a really strong push. there's no way they weren't offering more than the m's.


I agree they were most likely offering more....but offering double? That might be pushing it

pudge
12-09-2002, 02:06 PM
Since I'm in Seattle, just thought I'd chime in and say Moyer was likely intent on coming back, his wife is heavily involved in the community here. Also, don't forget Safeco helps a pitcher - I don't know what Moyer's road numbers were, but in 2001, they made sure Moyer was the one guy who got TWO starts in Safeco in the first round series against the Indians. I could see Moyer getting rocked at Comiskey.