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RedPinStripes
11-29-2002, 10:34 AM
I'm glad he's retired, but i think it was real ****ty the way he went out. They had a 15 minute ceromony for Cal Ripken and gave him a seat from old comiskey where he sent the sox home with their tail between their legs in 83 while Harold just gets cut and we dont see him again.

Some say that is the way Harold wanted it. Not sure if he thinks he's ready to play still, but there should have been something for Harold. As i first became a sox fan when i was 7 and had an idea what baseball was, Harold was my idol. He's a favorite of many and i think it's ****ty that i had to sit through a game dedicated to cal ripken while Harold gets thrown away like a washed up nobody. Just another great pr move by the Sox. :angry:

PaleHoseGeorge
11-29-2002, 11:12 AM
I couldn't agree more. I'm not a big fan of wearing replica jerseys, but wearing Harold's #3 would be one of the few I would consider. Next to Ivan Calderon (even I can't explain why :smile: ), Harold is my favorite Sox player of the last two decades.

My reference to Harold's Game 3 performance in the ALDS was only meant to illustrate what a great player he used to be--and that it wasn't too long ago, either.

The Sox ought to do a huge tribute to Harold.

guillen4life13
11-29-2002, 11:18 AM
Man. My only real memory of Harold is a bad memory (not for Harold or the sox, but for me personally). In the 1997 season, the first bet I ever made was with a kid one year older than me who put 10 dollars on Harold hitting a homer in that at bat. Of course, the odds of him doing it in that single at bat had to be extremely low. A couple of pitches after we shook on the bet, Harold sent one into the left field seats. I got in trouble with my mom for making bets.

lol. I think he should get a huge tribute also. Hell, Jay Buhner got a huge tribute from Seattle. Baines has to mean at least that much to us, if not more.

And Baines wouldn't be a bad hitting coach, would he?

Daver
11-29-2002, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by guillen4life13
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And Baines wouldn't be a bad hitting coach, would he?

Harold would be a rotten hitting instructor,his style only works for him.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-29-2002, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by guillen4life13
And Baines wouldn't be a bad hitting coach, would he?

Interesting idea. I don't know if Harold could be a good hitting coach, but he is definitely the most popular ex-Sox player of the current generation.

I know what the Flubs would do. They would make Harold their first base coach, just like they did with Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, and now Gene Clines. How much harm can they possibly do?

Just have Harold stand out there in the coach's box every bottom-half of the inning, wave to the fans once in awhile, and pat guys on the rump when they reach base safely. Oh yeah, and remind them to get a good jump, too. If he screws up, you can always kick him upstairs into a public relations role. He would be at least as popular as Bill Melton or Donn Pall.

Hell, he can't do any worse than that dope Gary Pettis did. We must have led the league in getting picked off.

:harold
"I was born to wear these pinstripes."

RedPinStripes
11-29-2002, 11:52 AM
Don Pall Is in the frony office? I never knew that. :?:

He's a local kid right?

Chisoxfn
11-29-2002, 12:10 PM
I'm with Dave, Harold would be a terrible hitting coach.

The guy simply isn't the greatest communicator. Plus, his style wouldn't work for many.

To me, theirs no better hitting coach then Don Baylor.

Lip Man 1
11-29-2002, 12:19 PM
Just wondering...

Did I miss something? Did Baines finally, officially retire?? Why is this thread on Baines up now???

Mentioning him did cause me to look back at the video from his greatest game, when he hit three home runs off three different Tiger pitchers and drove in six of the Sox runs in a 7-0 win at Comiskey Park on July 7, 1982 (Dennis Lamp with the complete game win...)

Lip

RedPinStripes
11-29-2002, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Just wondering...

Did I miss something? Did Baines finally, officially retire?? Why is this thread on Baines up now???



Because it's the offseason, I'm bored, and i doubt Harold will play again.

FarWestChicago
11-29-2002, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by RedPinStripes
Because it's the offseason, I'm bored, and i doubt Harold will play again. Perfectly good reasons for the thread. :smile:

kermittheefrog
11-29-2002, 12:45 PM
Great point RPS. I was also at that Ripken game and it made me sick. I just didn't understand why we would ever do something like that for an opposing player. I think it was more stroking Cal's huge ego than honoring anyone. Okay no more angry thoughts...

RedPinStripes
11-29-2002, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
Great point RPS. I was also at that Ripken game and it made me sick. I just didn't understand why we would ever do something like that for an opposing player. I think it was more stroking Cal's huge ego than honoring anyone. Okay no more angry thoughts...

Exact words from my father that day after 5 minutes into the ceromony. " Ok, **** Cal! Let's remember what team he's on on kick his ass". :D:

HITMEN OF 77
11-29-2002, 12:57 PM
I didn't know Baines retired either. It's a shame the Sox just let him go into outer space without a trace. Baines and Fisk were the Sox in the 1980's. I hope he goes to the Hall of Fame, he certainly deserves it!

kermittheefrog
11-29-2002, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by RedPinStripes
Exact words from my father that day after 5 minutes into the ceromony. " Ok, **** Cal! Let's remember what team he's on on kick his ass". :D:

It took him five whole minutes to say that?

RedPinStripes
11-29-2002, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
It took him five whole minutes to say that?

lol. After they gave him a chair and dirt from the old park, he had enough.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-29-2002, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by RedPinStripes
Don Pall Is in the frony office? I never knew that. :?:

He's a local kid right?

The Pope grew up in Evergreen Park, graduated from the U of I, and is a life-long Sox Fan. He works in Sox community relations. He is listed in the media guide with others like Bill Melton and Carlos May.

I saw him at Comiskey last summer (with his wife, I think) dressed up for some function. He definitely wasn't going to be walking the main concourse with that suit and tie he was wearing.

:gulp:

baggio202
11-29-2002, 01:51 PM
harold was and always will be my favorite sox player...it is a shame the way he went out when you look at what tony' and cal's team (not to mention ours) did for those guys when they retired..i realize harold wasnt quite the player those guys were and didnt spend his whole career here like they did but still , he was one of the sox all time greats and deserved better..atleast in my eyes

but what do we expect from this ownership...if thomas moves on imagine his sendoff when he makes his last trip to comiskey???..after the game when everyone is filing out the PA announcer will say 'oh btw , that was thomas' last game here"

TornLabrum
11-29-2002, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by RedPinStripes
Don Pall Is in the frony office? I never knew that. :?:

He's a local kid right?

Don Pall is not in the Sox front office. His current occupation is selling investment securities, iirc. I'm going to be interviewing him sometime in the next month or so for the Windy City Sox Fans' newsletter, so I'll be finding out exactly what he's been doing since he retired.

He may be coming to our annual meeting on December 8, but the last I heard, he wasn't sure. Billy Pierce has committed to being there, however.

Dadawg_77
11-29-2002, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by daver
Harold would be a rotten hitting instructor,his style only works for him.

And Frank

PaleHoseGeorge
11-29-2002, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
Don Pall is not in the Sox front office. His current occupation is selling investment securities, iirc. I'm going to be interviewing him sometime in the next month or so for the Windy City Sox Fans' newsletter, so I'll be finding out exactly what he's been doing since he retired.


I'm looking right at my 2002 edition of the White Sox Media Guide, and there is Donn Pall's name in Christine Makoski's Community Relations & Advertising Department. Besides Pall, others listed as Community Relations Representatives are Chico Carrasquel, Carlos May, Bill Melton, Minnie Minoso, Billy Pierce, and Bill "Moose" Skowron.

Maybe Pall got fired? Or maybe he told Christine to take this job and....

:)

Brian26
11-29-2002, 05:53 PM
I don't think the community relations gig is a 40-hr a week job. He probably still has his securities job, and does some PR work for the team on the weekends or occasional weeknights.

As for Harold, he was a great player for the Sox. However, didn't we already have a ceremony for him in '89? His number is even retired, isn't it? What else do you need :)

B.

voodoochile
11-29-2002, 06:28 PM
Maybe the Sox will do something for Haaarold next year, but there is no point in making a big deal about it before he officially retires. I haven't seen anything that says that is so and that seems to be the consensus of the other posters in this thread.

The Sox have already retired his number, and hopefully they will do something for him when it becomes official. I wouldn't be surprised if they did, of course, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't either...

Did Haaarold even play last season? If so, for who?

TornLabrum
11-29-2002, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
I'm looking right at my 2002 edition of the White Sox Media Guide, and there is Donn Pall's name in Christine Makoski's Community Relations & Advertising Department. Besides Pall, others listed as Community Relations Representatives are Chico Carrasquel, Carlos May, Bill Melton, Minnie Minoso, Billy Pierce, and Bill "Moose" Skowron.

Maybe Pall got fired? Or maybe he told Christine to take this job and....

:)

If you call making personal appearances a front-office job, then Pall has a front-office job. For a fee to the Sox, you can hire any of those guys to appear at your function. I consider that to be a front-office position about as much as I would consider what Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, and Joe Louis did for their respective casinos as being executive positions.

wassagstdu
11-29-2002, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by baggio202
harold was ... one of the sox all time greats and deserved better..atleast in my eyes

but what do we expect from this ownership...if thomas moves on imagine his sendoff when he makes his last trip to comiskey???..after the game when everyone is filing out the PA announcer will say 'oh btw , that was thomas' last game here"

That would be better than the treatment one of my favorite Sox players of all time got -- at the hands of "fans" as well as management. I read that when Ozzie Guillen returned to Comiskey for the first time in an O's uniform he was BOOED by the crowd, ostensibly because he had said something uncomplimentary about a middle infield of Caruso and Durham. That made me think I had nothing in common with Sox fans and for a year I switched to the Mets (Ventura, Ordonez, Alfonzo, and Olerud!!) I wasn't aware of this board then so I don't know if those boo's were "official". But I thought management treated Ozzie poorly but Sox fans were far worse.

Daver
11-29-2002, 08:39 PM
Thanks for putting that in your sig,I always wondered what that name was supposed to mean.

:)

duke of dorwood
11-29-2002, 08:50 PM
My Harold moment is his catch preserving Tom Seaver's 300th win. My favorite player in the 80's too. Funny, the guys that did the most FOR this ownership, get trated the worst BY this ownership. No other organization disses their great players like this regime. The great players are all we have-we win Nuthin

voodoochile
11-29-2002, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by wassagstdu
That would be better than the treatment one of my favorite Sox players of all time got -- at the hands of "fans" as well as management. I read that when Ozzie Guillen returned to Comiskey for the first time in an O's uniform he was BOOED by the crowd, ostensibly because he had said something uncomplimentary about a middle infield of Caruso and Durham. That made me think I had nothing in common with Sox fans and for a year I switched to the Mets (Ventura, Ordonez, Alfonzo, and Olerud!!) I wasn't aware of this board then so I don't know if those boo's were "official". But I thought management treated Ozzie poorly but Sox fans were far worse.

Ozzie's relationship with the fans cooled considerably after his comments during the strike of 1994. I can't remember the specifics, but he definitely put his foot in his mouth. Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks in my memory...

DVG
11-29-2002, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Ozzie's relationship with the fans cooled considerably after his comments during the strike of 1994. I can't remember the specifics, but he definitely put his foot in his mouth. Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks in my memory...

Gladly. In 1995, Guillen said "we don't owe the fans anything
except an honest effort." All the Guardians of Purity, the sports-
writers, absolutely shocked that he would say such a thing,
truncated the message to "we don't owe the fans anything."
Many baseball fans reacted in a similiar fashion, branding Guillen
Public Enemy Number 1.

From what I understand, he made the remarks in anger after
some fans were particularly abusive. I don't know about any
body else, but if I'm out there doing my job and some drunken
slobs abused me, I'd be upset too.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-29-2002, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
If you call making personal appearances a front-office job, then Pall has a front-office job. For a fee to the Sox, you can hire any of those guys to appear at your function. I consider that to be a front-office position about as much as I would consider what Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, and Joe Louis did for their respective casinos as being executive positions.

I would flatter myself with the title if they ever offered the webmaster of WSI a similar gig.

:)

MarkEdward
11-29-2002, 11:23 PM
For what it's worth, Don Pall is my mom's cousin. Right now he's a financial planner somewhere on the north side, but I really don't know if he does many PR gigs for the Sox. He was on the pre-game and post-game for Fox Sports Net a year back.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-29-2002, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by MarkEdward
For what it's worth, Don Pall is my mom's cousin. Right now he's a financial planner somewhere on the north side, but I really don't know if he does many PR gigs for the Sox. He was on the pre-game and post-game for Fox Sports Net a year back.

Hey, maybe Christine Makowski is just doing some empire-building by putting Donn's name in her department listing?

If Poppy Hidalgo's name shows up there next year, I think we may have our proof.

:)

irish rover
11-30-2002, 02:27 PM
can some one post a web site for windy City Sox fans or an address to contact them to get the news letter

Thanks

TornLabrum
11-30-2002, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by irish rover
can some one post a web site for windy City Sox fans or an address to contact them to get the news letter

Thanks

The newsletter goes out to all members. Their web site, which contains the address to send your membership dues ($25.00 annually, proceeds going to Chicago Baseball Cancer Charities, earmarked for Children's Memorial Hospital) is at http://members.aol.com/windycitysoxfans/ . A portion of all contributions is tax deductible.

Lip Man 1
11-30-2002, 09:48 PM
To Pale Hose George and Torn Labrum:

For whatever this is worth to enable you two to keep your discussion going (LOL) when I spoke to Billy Pierce over the Summer, I mentioned to him about working for the Sox and he quickly corrected me. He said he does not work for the Sox, he said he does represent them at PR functions and the like but that's all.

I inferred by his comment that he does not get paid for his time, therefore he does not work for them. The same situation could apply to Donn Pall.

Lip

TornLabrum
11-30-2002, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
To Pale Hose George and Torn Labrum:

For whatever this is worth to enable you two to keep your discussion going (LOL) when I spoke to Billy Pierce over the Summer, I mentioned to him about working for the Sox and he quickly corrected me. He said he does not work for the Sox, he said he does represent them at PR functions and the like but that's all.

I inferred by his comment that he does not get paid for his time, therefore he does not work for them. The same situation could apply to Donn Pall.

Lip

I obviously can't speak for any former players, but I'd be really surprised if they don't get some kind of personal appearance fee for attending various functions as representives of the Sox. I'd giess it's more like he gets paid for each appearance he makes, but is not on salary. That would explain why he said he's not a Sox employee.

mike squires
12-02-2002, 09:57 PM
for some reason i have to keep this thread going...sorry for those of you that may have heard this story before...

BUT

in 83' i desperatly held out a program for him to sign, he looked right at me and said he couldn't cause he had to do some pictures, he dissapeared under the right field wall and never came out again. he hit a dinger that game...


18 years later i sat with my wife just hoping harold would come to the sox fest party. angie said there he is, there he is...7 autographs, a picture, and a small (one way) conversation later my dream came true. i watched him drink his water standing all by himself while ritchie, valentin, rowand, wunsch drank their beers...

the next day the guy in front of me to collect yet another autograph said "harold you are a class act" harold deadpanned "you should tell my wife that"

harold will have his day...harold baines bobble head doll day...just you wait and see. i will be there. his speech will be the shortest in the history of speeches. my kind of guy.

Huisj
12-03-2002, 12:08 AM
Harold's my favorite player i've ever had. he was my childhood hero, and when they traded him in '89, i cried and threw my sox hat on the ground and stomped on it ( i was too young to really understand why they traded him at first, so i just threw a temper tantrum instead and then my dad explained it to me later). anyways, at the first sox game i was ever at, harold came up with 2 guys on in scoring position and two outs, and my dad said that even though the sox stunk, you could depend on harold--and sure enough, he rips a double off the wall.

i idolized harold--steady, dependable, and quiet about his business. he let his playing speak for itself, and he never showboated. i loved that about him.

Nellie_Fox
12-03-2002, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Huisj
Harold's my favorite player i've ever had. he was my childhood hero, and when they traded him in '89, i cried and threw my sox hat on the ground and stomped on it ( i was too young to really understand why they traded him at first, so i just threw a temper tantrum ... That's okay, I was 40 and I threw a temper tantrum too.

TommyJohn
11-04-2003, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by DVG
Gladly. In 1995, Guillen said "we don't owe the fans anything
except an honest effort." All the Guardians of Purity, the sports-
writers, absolutely shocked that he would say such a thing,
truncated the message to "we don't owe the fans anything."
Many baseball fans reacted in a similiar fashion, branding Guillen
Public Enemy Number 1.

From what I understand, he made the remarks in anger after
some fans were particularly abusive. I don't know about any
body else, but if I'm out there doing my job and some drunken
slobs abused me, I'd be upset too.

Since I stink at posting links (tried twice, bad) I'm reviving this
long abandoned thread in response to Guillen's "owe the fans" quote. I wrote of it in November under my old username, in response to a query by voodoo over Ozzie's relationship
with fans. My primary source was the same Mike Royko article quoted in the thread, from May of 1995.

thepaulbowski
11-04-2003, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by HITMEN OF 77
I didn't know Baines retired either. It's a shame the Sox just let him go into outer space without a trace. Baines and Fisk were the Sox in the 1980's. I hope he goes to the Hall of Fame, he certainly deserves it!

He was on the bench for half of the season. When Walker broke his arm, he was the fill-in hitting coach. He's still around, he travels with them a lot it seems.

ewokpelts
11-04-2003, 09:08 AM
Belive it or not, I think Jerry tried keeping Harold this last go around, but y'know, having Frank as the DH with DP King manning first in 2001, Harold was pretty much squeezed out. It says a lot about JR's loyalty to Harold to bring him back not once, but twice. I do remember Harold trying to find a job in 02, and I guess he's too stubborn to admit his playing career's over. So, I blame Manuel for sticking with DP King instead of having frank play first and Harold dh...at least until he got 3000 hits....
Gene

idseer
11-04-2003, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Maybe the Sox will do something for Haaarold next year, but there is no point in making a big deal about it before he officially retires. I haven't seen anything that says that is so and that seems to be the consensus of the other posters in this thread.

The Sox have already retired his number, and hopefully they will do something for him when it becomes official. I wouldn't be surprised if they did, of course, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't either...

Did Haaarold even play last season? If so, for who?


since baines was my favorite player from 1970 forward i want to contribute to this thread also.
i agree with voodoo here that it just hasn't happened yet. you guys can be soooo impatient! :)

edit: i just discovered how old this thread really is.

oh well, better late .. etc. :cool: