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hold2dibber
11-08-2002, 12:16 PM
ESPN reports that the Sox are one of the teams interested in Williams as a FA. Works for me.

Williams Unhappy With Cards' Delay (http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1108/1457794.html)

Foulke You
11-08-2002, 12:39 PM
You beat me to it Dibber! :D: I just finished reading the article, Woody Williams would look nice behind Buehrle, works for me too.

Iwritecode
11-08-2002, 12:48 PM
But Williams was solid when healthy, posting a 9-4 record with a 2.53 ERA in 17 starts. The Cardinals won 12 of his starts, and in the past two seasons, Williams has allowed three earned runs or less in 23 of his last 24 starts.

Williams made $7.25 million last season, including $1 million deferred from his previous year's salary. According to the newspaper, he is looking for at least a two-year contract plus an option for 2005 with a minimum $6.25 million annual base.


A solid #2 with an ERA under 3 for $6 million a year? Where do I sign? :D:

Only problem is that this would make WAAAY too much sense for JR to actually do it...

Lip Man 1
11-08-2002, 01:27 PM
This is off the "official" MLB web site:

"While only the Cardinals can negotiate with Williams until Nov. 13, the veteran confirmed he has already been contacted by 11 other teams, including the Astros, Cubs, Diamondbacks, Mariners, Indians, Braves, Orioles, Phillies, Red Sox, Mets and Yankees."

If the White Sox are "interested" in him, why haven't they contacted him?

Hmmmm, me thinks I smell a rat here.

Lip

bc2k
11-08-2002, 01:32 PM
Let's hope if the Sox do sign him, the offense won't leave him high and dry for the first month of the season (Todd Ritchie). He will only give up 2 runs per game, but can our offense top that?

voodoochile
11-08-2002, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
This is off the "official" MLB web site:

"While only the Cardinals can negotiate with Williams until Nov. 13, the veteran confirmed he has already been contacted by 11 other teams, including the Astros, Cubs, Diamondbacks, Mariners, Indians, Braves, Orioles, Phillies, Red Sox, Mets and Yankees."

If the White Sox are "interested" in him, why haven't they contacted him?

Hmmmm, me thinks I smell a rat here.

Lip

:KW
"That would be illegal and I never ever do anything outside the rule of the law."

:reinsy
"Good job, KW. Now he'll surely be signed before we ever get a crack at him and we can say that we WANTED to sign him, but he was already gone. Then, I can continue laughing all the way to the bank."

:KW
"I got your wallet.... er back, JR..."

Iwritecode
11-08-2002, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
This is off the "official" MLB web site:

"While only the Cardinals can negotiate with Williams until Nov. 13, the veteran confirmed he has already been contacted by 11 other teams, including the Astros, Cubs, Diamondbacks, Mariners, Indians, Braves, Orioles, Phillies, Red Sox, Mets and Yankees."

If the White Sox are "interested" in him, why haven't they contacted him?

Hmmmm, me thinks I smell a rat here.

Lip

The Sox are only "interested" because the ESPN writer who wrote that article saw that they need another starting pitcher...

duke of dorwood
11-08-2002, 02:50 PM
Our semi-annual rebuilding does not make this an attractive place for free agents to come to.

OneDog
11-08-2002, 03:00 PM
I'm not real big on Woody Williams. He is a veteran pitcher and very good when healthy, True. But, he was plagued by injuries all last year and may be approaching the downslope of his career. I don't want to say it but it sounds like another Todd Ritchie to me.

SoxxoS
11-08-2002, 03:11 PM
Woody Williams would be an unbelieveable pick up. He doesn't make much $, has playoff experience (I was there when he outdueled Randy Johnson) and would solidify the #2 pitcher on the staff. If we can pull this, we are looking at Todd Ritchie as our #5 pitcher! What happens if he returns to his 2000, 2001 form?

He isn't that injury prone, last year was the only year as a started he pitched under 168 innings. Hes 36. He has at least 2 years left in him. I have been a big fan of his for a while know, and I hope ESPN isnt just getting my hopes up. I think either him or Paul Byrd is a MUST if we want to make the playoffs.

OneDog
11-08-2002, 03:32 PM
I admit that I don't know that much about Woody, however an injury plagued season when you're 35 is a bit of a red flag for me. If it was a choice between him and Paul Byrd, I think I'd go with the Byrd.



:dennis

"But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong"

RichH55
11-08-2002, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by OneDog
I admit that I don't know that much about Woody, however an injury plagued season when you're 35 is a bit of a red flag for me. If it was a choice between him and Paul Byrd, I think I'd go with the Byrd.



:dennis

"But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong"


I was going to post the stuff about the injuries as well....but I'm thinking Woody would be a solid pick-up....If we can't get Moyer then Williams becomes my next choice....something about Byrd just doesnt excite me

kermittheefrog
11-08-2002, 06:34 PM
He's 36 and has been injured for a large portion of 2 of the last 3 seasons. Prior to the 2001 season he wasn't any better than mediocre. This could be a disasterous signing.

Lip Man 1
11-08-2002, 08:43 PM
Rich says:

If we can't get Moyer then Williams becomes my next choice...

Why anybody would want a 40 year old (Moyer) is beyond me.

Lip

OfficerKarkovice
11-09-2002, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Rich says:

If we can't get Moyer then Williams becomes my next choice...

Why anybody would want a 40 year old (Moyer) is beyond me.

Lip

YEAR W-L ERA

1996 13-3 3.98
1997 17-5 3.86
1998 15-9 3.53
1999 14-8 3.87
2000 13-10 5.49
2001 20-6 3.43
2002 13-8 3.32

That would be Mr. Moyer over the last 7 years. With the exception of a marginal 2000, he has been very good and very consistent. He is a good veteran lefty and would be a great addition to the team.

RichH55
11-09-2002, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Lip Man 1
Rich says:

If we can't get Moyer then Williams becomes my next choice...

Why anybody would want a 40 year old (Moyer) is beyond me.

Lip

You afraid of him losing his velocity or something :?: :cool:

RichH55
11-09-2002, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice
YEAR W-L ERA

1996 13-3 3.98
1997 17-5 3.86
1998 15-9 3.53
1999 14-8 3.87
2000 13-10 5.49
2001 20-6 3.43
2002 13-8 3.32

That would be Mr. Moyer over the last 7 years. With the exception of a marginal 2000, he has been very good and very consistent. He is a good veteran lefty and would be a great addition to the team.

So give or take a little depending on innings thats roughly 3.92 over the last 7 years with one bad year. Plus the last two years have both been very solid. He doesn't have a losing record in any of those years(granted Seattle is a fine team), but since he doesn't rely on his arm but rather his smarts and has shown no potential for injury, I fail to see why he would be a problem to go after....I would be willing to give hima 3 year deal hoping that would push the salary demands down somewhat...plus if you go after him early in the process when the Yanks and Mets of the world bicker over Glavine and Maddux you can swoop in when no one is looking...overall what is wrong with Moyer besides him being older? Do we not have young pitching in the system/major league level or something?

cornball
11-09-2002, 08:40 PM
The bottom line is we need major improvement in the pitching staff...Williams would do that...but he will stay a Card....i would guess