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WinningUgly!
10-07-2002, 11:20 PM
Anybody else notice that during this year's postseason, in series deciding games, former White Sox players are directly responsible for their teams losing? Well, in a way...


Example #1 Ray Durham, even after having an outstanding series against the Twins, ends up making the final out of the game with the tying run on base.

Example #2 David Wells gets completely rocked in game 4 in Anaheim, giving up 8 runs in 4 2/3 innings.


This obviously does not apply to Managers, as Tony Larussa had no problem advancing in his series. Keep an eye on both Kenny Lofton & Julio Franco tonight. One of them will end up sealing their team's fate.

WinningUgly!
10-08-2002, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by WinningUgly!
Keep an eye on both Kenny Lofton & Julio Franco tonight. One of them will end up sealing their team's fate.

Franco tagged out for the last out of the series. :D:

DVG
10-08-2002, 04:29 AM
There is an ex-Sox factor that I have noticed from the past, but on
a positive note. You know that dumb, stupid, whiny, self-pitying,
BS excuse for a factor known as the "ex-Cub Factor?" That is,
any team in the postseason with three or more ex-Cubs is going
to lose? (With there now being eight teams, this is more of a
certainty than ever, but never mind that. Cubbie fans and the
fawning media would have one less thing to cry about without it.)

Well, I did a little research (just a little, I do have other hobbies)
and found four teams since 1960 have won the World Series with three or more ex-Sox. Three of those teams pulled unexpected upsets, the other came back from way behind to win their division on the last day of the season, with two ex-Sox providing the crushing blows. Funny how one of the names lives on in infamy along with Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, bin Laden and Bill Buckner, yet his Sox roots are never mentioned the way Bill Buckner's Cub roots are.

Now there are just four. I haven't been able to research every
playoff team since 1960, just the World Series. If there are more,
I'll write of them.

Iwritecode
10-08-2002, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by DVG
You know that dumb, stupid, whiny, self-pitying,
BS excuse for a factor known as the "ex-Cub Factor?" That is,
any team in the postseason with three or more ex-Cubs is going
to lose? (With there now being eight teams, this is more of a
certainty than ever, but never mind that. Cubbie fans and the
fawning media would have one less thing to cry about without it.)


That curse no-longer exists. The D'backs blew it away last year. They also overcame the other one about having a guy that hit more than 33? homeruns. I can't remember the name of that curse though...

WinningUgly!
10-08-2002, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Iwritecode
That curse no-longer exists. The D'backs blew it away last year. They also overcame the other one about having a guy that hit more than 33? homeruns. I can't remember the name of that curse though...

There have actually been two exceptions to The Ex-Cub Factor since 1945: the 1960 Pittsburgh Pirates, who beat the Yankees in the World Series despite the handicap of three ex-Cubs, Smokey Burgess, Gene Baker, Don Hoak & the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks, who also beat the Yankees with ex-Cubs...Mark Grace, Luis Gonzalez, Mike Morgan & Miguel Batista.

jortafan
10-08-2002, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by DVG
There is an ex-Sox factor that I have noticed from the past, but on
a positive note. You know that dumb, stupid, whiny, self-pitying,
BS excuse for a factor known as the "ex-Cub Factor?" That is,
any team in the postseason with three or more ex-Cubs is going
to lose? (With there now being eight teams, this is more of a
certainty than ever, but never mind that. Cubbie fans and the
fawning media would have one less thing to cry about without it.)

Well, I did a little research (just a little, I do have other hobbies)
and found four teams since 1960 have won the World Series with three or more ex-Sox. Three of those teams pulled unexpected upsets, the other came back from way behind to win their division on the last day of the season, with two ex-Sox providing the crushing blows. Funny how one of the names lives on in infamy along with Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, bin Laden and Bill Buckner, yet his Sox roots are never mentioned the way Bill Buckner's Cub roots are.

Now there are just four. I haven't been able to research every
playoff team since 1960, just the World Series. If there are more,
I'll write of them.




who are the four teams? The only one that immediately comes to my mind is the '78 Yankees, (Dent, Gossage, Spencer and former mgr. Bob Lemon).

DVG
10-09-2002, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by jortafan
who are the four teams? The only one that immediately comes to my mind is the '78 Yankees, (Dent, Gossage, Spencer and former mgr. Bob Lemon).

You are correct on the '78 Yankees. The other three are the 1968
Detroit Tigers (Norm Cash, Don McMahon and Denny McLain. I'm
fudging a bit on McLain, he never appeared in a major league game with the Sox, but he did play in ST and was photographed in a Sox uniform, so the Sockie magic rubbed off on him) the
1969 New York Mets (Al Weis, J.C. Martin and Tommie Agee) and
the 1997 Florida Marlins (Alex Fernandez, Bobby Bonilla, John
Cangelosi and Jim Leyland. Russ Morman and Donn Pall were on
the team but didn't play in the Series that year.)

guillen4life13
10-09-2002, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by DVG
You are correct on the '78 Yankees. The other three are the 1968
Detroit Tigers (Norm Cash, Don McMahon and Denny McLain. I'm
fudging a bit on McLain, he never appeared in a major league game with the Sox, but he did play in ST and was photographed in a Sox uniform, so the Sockie magic rubbed off on him) the
1969 New York Mets (Al Weis, J.C. Martin and Tommie Agee) and
the 1997 Florida Marlins (Alex Fernandez, Bobby Bonilla, John
Cangelosi and Jim Leyland. Russ Morman and Donn Pall were on
the team but didn't play in the Series that year.)

where is alex fernandez now?

WinningUgly!
10-09-2002, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by guillen4life13
where is alex fernandez now?

Down in Miami counting his money.

kermittheefrog
10-09-2002, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Iwritecode
They also overcame the other one about having a guy that hit more than 33? homeruns. I can't remember the name of that curse though...

The Curse of Balboni.

ScottyTheSoxFan
10-10-2002, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by WinningUgly!
Down in Miami counting his money.

with his remaining good arm i suppose.