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viagracat
09-20-2002, 11:40 AM
Leave it to a self-important ignoramus like Jay Mariotti to whine about Comiskey's lack of amenities and it's location in a "less than desireable neighborhood". He's yet another of these fools who think anything south of Madison Street is "less than desirable". Jay, if that's the case, then why are they building--and selling-- $300,000+ condos in Bridgeport? If you had done any homework--or if you knew anything about Chicago--you'd know that the Bridgeport-Armour Square area is coming up. Just because it's not full of yuppies, artists or has as many diversions as Wrigleyville doesn't make it "less than desirable". All you guys ever think about are the attacks on 10-year-old Lenard Clark and ESPN's Bill Simonson by the punks known as the "Armour Boys" as well as other occasional accounts of thuggery that happen not only around Comiskey, but at any ballpark, including Mariotti's beloved Wrigley. Are there thugs in the Comiskey area? Absolutely. There are also thugs around the UC, Soldier Field and Wrigley Field too, so I guess in Mariotti's view, those venues are also located in "less-than=desirable" neighborhoods. Go back to Pittsburgh, you idiot. PS: I don't live in Bridgeport, don't even live on the South Side, but know the area much better than he does, obviously :angry:

steff
09-20-2002, 11:44 AM
Ummm hello!! We've been hearing this for the past 10 years. It's not exactly new news...

FanOf14
09-20-2002, 11:49 AM
What do those two thugs have to do with the neighborhood around Comiskey? One was from Alsip and the other Blue island. Both those suburbs are around the corner from where I live (Mount Greenwood), no where close to Bridgeport, so I don't see the connection.

Viva Magglio
09-20-2002, 12:12 PM
This coming from someone who, according to Jiggetts and North, may have been something less than sober and tried to start a fight with the former Monsters of the Midday at a Cubs opening day Score remote a few years ago...

cheeses_h_rice
09-20-2002, 12:54 PM
:moron

"If I see men of brown, I just turn around."

nut_stock
09-20-2002, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by cheeses_h_rice
:moron

"If I see men of brown, I just turn around." and grab my ankles

ChiSoxBobette
09-20-2002, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by viagracat
Leave it to a self-important ignoramus like Jay Mariotti to whine about Comiskey's lack of amenities and it's location in a "less than desireable neighborhood". He's yet another of these fools who think anything south of Madison Street is "less than desirable". Jay, if that's the case, then why are they building--and selling-- $300,000+ condos in Bridgeport? If you had done any homework--or if you knew anything about Chicago--you'd know that the Bridgeport-Armour Square area is coming up. Just because it's not full of yuppies, artists or has as many diversions as Wrigleyville doesn't make it "less than desirable". All you guys ever think about are the attacks on 10-year-old Lenard Clark and ESPN's Bill Simonson by the punks known as the "Armour Boys" as well as other occasional accounts of thuggery that happen not only around Comiskey, but at any ballpark, including Mariotti's beloved Wrigley. Are there thugs in the Comiskey area? Absolutely. There are also thugs around the UC, Soldier Field and Wrigley Field too, so I guess in Mariotti's view, those venues are also located in "less-than=desirable" neighborhoods. Go back to Pittsburgh, you idiot. PS: I don't live in Bridgeport, don't even live on the South Side, but know the area much better than he does, obviously :angry:

It seems the guys only goal in life is to destroy the White Sox and insult White Sox fans. The guys a bonehead , you hear the trash he spouts off about White Sox park, the neighborhood, the fans. Then you have to read about how wonderful it is to go to the urinal known as gigley field. Wait until next year when he starts to write in his colum how White Sox park, White Sox fans & the neighborhood Sox park is located in are'nt good enough to host the All-Star game. All of this White Sox bashing from a sports writer that probably never sets his foot in White Sox park. I e-mailed him through the sun-times about his colum today he made it sound like the incident that took place last night with the two pinheads attacking the K.C. coach could only happen at White Sox park, anything and everything he can write thats negative about the Whit Sox you will read and as I learned the other day now hear on espn from jerk moronotti - a true example of shotty sports journalism, I THINK HE HATES THE WHITE SOX BECAUSE SOMEONE STOLE HIS HAIRSPRAY AND HIS HAIR DEFLATED DURING A GAME , RIGHT THEN & THERE THE MORON VOWED TO DESTROY OUR BELOVED WHITE SOX. Give it up jayboy stick to writing about something you like ,the flubs; that way you'll have fans and you won't have to worry about us bad , bad White Sox fans
Go White Sox

Iwritecode
09-20-2002, 02:50 PM
Warning! Moron article following...



















How did they get into the ballpark? How does something this sick, this demented, happen only a year and eight days after Sept. 11? How can two bare-chested loons, a father-and-son tag team lugging an unopened pocket knife, be in position to leap a short barrier and start pummeling a Kansas City first-base coach at a time when America is supposed to be on guard against violence like never before?

The same way it has happened every other time Jay. It happens when people least expect it. It's not like it's hard to get onto the field. What about that little girl that stood right next to Paul Konerko while he got a popup in foul territory???

''I'm just happy I wasn't stabbed,'' said Tom Gamboa, somehow managing a smile after he was ambushed in one of the most bizarre melees we've ever seen. ''When I heard there was a knife out there, I'm just happy to be alive and OK.''

One of the most bizarre? I thought the Dodger players jumping into the stands was a little more bizarre...

You can say the pathetic scene at Comiskey Park was an isolated episode Thursday night, hardly indicative of a great sports city. Fortunately, Gamboa escaped with a large cut on his forehead and bumps and bruises on his face and body. But sadly, as people around the nation watch the bizarre footage, they will see these two fools attacking him and think the worst of Chicago. We like to think we're too civilized for New York, Philadelphia and other capitals of sports-related lunacy.

Wow, he almost defends the city here.

But then this happens, a new level of ugliness, interrupting the sanctity of a trivial ballgame and prompting a new wave of national questions about security at stadiums and arenas. And as the punches and kicks sink into your consciousness, you can't help but think back to other strange incidents in Chicago: the day at Wrigley Field when Randy Myers was attacked by a 27-year-old bond trader who came out of box seats; the night at Wrigley when the Dodgers piled into the stands after a fan stole a player's cap; and, of course, the infamous Disco Demolition Night that Steve Dahl still talks about proudly, not understanding what a stooge-for-life he is. Every city has its moments of shame.

When Chicago has them, they just seem to make more impact.

Make more impact? What? Like this was any different than any of the other times fans have run onto a playing field of some sort?

It doesn't look good for the White Sox and the safety of their maligned park when this scene flashes across TV screens. As it is, fans aren't too interested in watching a struggling ballclub in an obsolete, ill-conceived stadium in a less-than-desirable neighborhood. After this episode, will anyone want to go again? The timing couldn't be worse for Sox management, which now has to explain how these morons slipped through the gates with a knife and slipped onto the field with ease.

Of course he has to take his shots at the fans and the park. I guarantee, it wouldn't have been hard to walk into any staduim in the country with a pocket knife. It's not like many (if any at all) have metal detectors at the doors.

Such are the immense challenges for the Sox and every other sports team. No series of security measures can be enough, apparently. A couple of weeks ago, I walked into Comiskey with a leather bag--which held my computer, notebooks, pens and media guides--and wasn't even checked. Shouldn't the security initiative be in place to detect a pocket knife? Or do fans have to stop going to ballgames?

Can somebody please verify that he was actually at Comiskey? I find this hard to believe. Besides, how often does security check members of the media?

Evidently, the on-field security guards weren't paying close enough attention. If it takes installing X-ray machines, install them. If it takes constructing a moat between the stands and field, as they've done in European soccer stadiums, then construct it. If it takes erecting a shock fence, as we saw in the ''Rollerball'' movie, then erect it. Imagine a father and his little boy in the seats behind first base, watching the scene unfold. How would Dad explain it?

Yea, the security guards weren't paying attention... These guys were up and over the fence before anyone could blink. Maybe we do need some sort of barrier between the players and the fans?


''It's sad and disturbing, very disturbing,'' said Sox general manager Ken Williams, who has endured a rough two seasons on the job. ''Words don't express the sorrow when you look at the man and he's got blood on his face. All he was doing was trying to coach first base.''

It was absolutely chilling to hear Gamboa, a first-base coach for the Cubs in 1998 and 1999, compare his experience to the horrible Monica Seles stabbing episode. ''I happened to be watching that tennis match a few years ago when the guy came out of the stands,'' he said. ''When I heard from the players that there was an unopened knife found, that's the first thing I thought of.

''This was just an unprovoked thing that shocked me and everyone else. I thought I got run over by a bulldozer. One guy was yelling something that was incoherent. I didn't know what was going on.''

Wow, he actually makes a reference that this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

As it happened, Sox second baseman Willie Harris and first-base umpire Matt Hollowell stood nearby, watching as Gamboa was mauled. Not until the Royals players rushed from the dugout and bullpen, throwing punches at two attackers, was he pulled out of danger. Security guards finally came onto the field and pulled the fans away from the pile, where they were handcuffed and arrested. The father will face a charge of aggravated felony assault. The son will face juvenile charges.

Willie is what 5'10"? He looks over, see a couple of guys attacking the first-base coach and the entire Royals bench coming at them? What would you do?

''If someone messed with your family, you protect your family,'' Royals first baseman Mike Sweeney said. ''Those two clowns could have taken Tom Gamboa's life, and we didn't want to put up with it. We protected our family the way you'd protect your family.''

''It's a sad case,'' said Royals reliever Roberto Hernandez, disgusted with what he saw in his former stomping grounds. ''I was shocked that I saw that. Those aren't fans. Those are just plain idiots.''

Once again, only two weeks after avoiding a work stoppage that would have killed the game as we know it, baseball has a crisis. Bud Selig, where are you? ''I would expect major-league baseball to do something,'' said Royals second baseman Chuck Knoblauch, who didn't see this kind of mischief in his years in the Bronx with the Yankees. ''It is amazing something like that hasn't happened before. But it is a fear of players because it seems like the fans continue to get more and more hostile.''

As the world grows more hostile.

ALL sports need to do something. This isn't just confined to baseball...

This has been an awful year in Chicago baseball, which is saying something, filled with more heartbreak and angst than usual. What a dreadful topper Thursday night brought. Next to backroom politics and traffic, baseball brings us our biggest daily headaches around here.

But now, it has turned ugly. The country is talking about Chicago today, but not about a beautiful skyline and picturesque lakefront. People are talking about the kooks who made the front page of the paper and led the newscasts nationwide.

Well no crap this has been an awful year in Chicago baseball. Not that it's really a suprise on the northside though. People are talking about Chicago because it happened to be the place where these two idiots live. Don't say anything about those two not being representitive of all Chicagoians or Sox fans...

And they are asking one very fair and pressing question: How did they get on a major-league baseball field with a pocket knife in September of 2002?

They walked. Like I said, it wasn't that hard and could have happened anywhere...

longshot7
09-20-2002, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Iwritecode

One of the most bizarre? I thought the Dodger players jumping into the stands was a little more bizarre...

Hey, that was justified. They were attacked first.

maurice
09-20-2002, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by longshot7
Hey, that was justified. They were attacked first.

That's debatable. IIRC, the incident began when a scrub fan took Chad Kreuter's hat and ran away. Kreuter later tried to justify the response by alleging that someone "hit" his head. I'm not defending the drunks who populate the urinal, but the response has to be proportionate. He should have simply caled for security. I think MLB agreed and disciplined a number of Dodger's players.

With respect to Moronotti's accusation that my neighborhood is "less than desirable" :angry:, plenty of people with enough money to live wherever they please strongly disagree. In addition to the condos mentioned above, here are a few more examples:

1. The yupperific subdivision going up on 33rd and Racine.

2. Two other houses listed at $729K and $750K, respectively.

3. The two mansions currently being erected on Normal (one on 33rd Street and another on 37th Place).

Nellie_Fox
09-21-2002, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by maurice
With respect to Moronotti's accusation that my neighborhood is "less than desirable" :angry:, plenty of people with enough money to live wherever they please strongly disagree. As I posted recently, whenever I use the Chicago PD website and run a search on the crime around 35th & Shields and one on the area around Clark & Addison, the Wrigley neighborhood always has substantially more crime. The area gets an undeserved bad rap.

Dadawg_77
09-21-2002, 02:40 AM
Well the difference between area around 35 and Shields and Clark and Addison is just color. You get your white suburbanite kid who never been in the city, sees a couple of black people living in public housing and get godly for their life, while around Wrigley they are comfortable because all they see is white people. These are just some observations that I have made in dealing with Cubs fans in both places, not meant to generalize or categorize anyone.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-21-2002, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
Well the difference between area around 35 and Shields and Clark and Addison is just color....

You can always count on Mariotti to shed absolutely no new light on any subject. The crime statistics regarding the neighborhoods surrounding Comiskey and Wrigley prove Mariotti precisely WRONG in his assessment of our ballpark.

Doing his job and enlightening his readers is completely beyond what that grandstanding dope is capable of.

:moron
"If I was being truthful, I would simply note Comiskey's neighborhood isn't in the middle of a Mardi Gras like Wrigley's is. What this has to do with sports is beyond me."

TornLabrum
09-21-2002, 11:09 AM
Moronotti's idiotic ravings have inspired a new column which was sent to George a few minutes ago. One suggestion I've made is that Steve Dahl start a Moronotti watch now that Bob Green is unemployed. Both are hack writers.

KruseControl04
09-21-2002, 02:37 PM
Lets face it, Flubs fans are going to use this against us for years to come. Instead of trying to defend their team, they'll say things like, "At least our fans don't attack coaches." And we'll all just laugh, because hey, their Flubs fans.

doublem23
09-21-2002, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Nellie_Fox
As I posted recently, whenever I use the Chicago PD website and run a search on the crime around 35th & Shields and one on the area around Clark & Addison, the Wrigley neighborhood always has substantially more crime. The area gets an undeserved bad rap.

Now, Nellie... Don't go bursting everyone's bubble by bringing FACTS into these discussions. That's just not fair.

:moron
My pea-sized brain can't comprehend your concept of "numbers."

TornLabrum
09-21-2002, 05:09 PM
I'm always one to search for something good to come from anything bad that happens, and I've found something good that we can all agree on: Dave Wills' use of the word "drillrod" to describe the absolute morons that instigated the attack. Attaboy, Dave!

Nellie_Fox
09-22-2002, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
I'm always one to search for something good to come from anything bad that happens, and I've found something good that we can all agree on: Dave Wills' use of the word "drillrod" to describe the absolute morons that instigated the attack. Attaboy, Dave! :b&b
Uhhhhh, it's "dillrod", dillrod. Uhuhuhuhuhuhuh.

DVG
09-22-2002, 04:27 AM
:moron

DE-licious!!!!! I was salivating the moment those two ran out
onto the field. HAHAHA!!!! By the time I'm done screeching and
screaming, I'm going to have everyone convinced that the per-
son sitting next to them at the ballmall is an armed felon!!!!!
I failed at my attempts to get the scum Sox contracted, so now
I'm back to attempting to drive them out of town!!!! Never
mind that I never mentioned what a horrible neighborhood
the United Center is in!!!! Or that I never screamed that the
Holiest of Holy shrines, Wrigley, would become a ghost town
after the Dodgers incident!!!! My greatest obsession is to
make Satan Reinsdorf pay for his crimes against humanity!!!!!

WhiteSox = Life
09-22-2002, 05:29 AM
Besides the fact that Jay Moronotti cannot be described by any amount of insults, swear words, or made-up words that sound dirty, like "(put your favorite word here)", there's one thing that really got my blood boiling.

Besides spouting his anti-White-Sox-fanaticism, Moron mentions one thing that was really, truly wrong, and I'm not talking about numbers, facts, or figures here.

Moronotti compared the attack by an inebriated father and his, obviously, brain-washed son - an attack that was a spur-of-the-moment thing and could not have been prevented - to 9-11, an tragedy that can be rivaled by very few American events.

How this [expletives deleted] could compare two incredibly unrelated topics is beyond me! Sure, he's trying to touch on the point that security is supposed to be tighter because of what happened "1 year and 8 days ago" but even if these two imbeciles had been checked and were found to not be carrying anything, it would not be too difficult to leap over a short barrier to go attack somebody. Almost anybody could do it. And especially after some sort of play on the field that had a lot of action involved, causing a lot of people and players to be paying attention to the game.

Anyway, all I wanted to say was that the comparison was totally wrong and really had no reason to be in the column except to point out the obvious truth that Moronotti obviously knows.

:moron
"That's right. We all know Al Qaeda was involved with 9-11. But only I know that Al Qaeda translated stands for 'White Sox fan'. "

DVG
09-22-2002, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by WhiteSox = Life
Besides the fact that Jay Moronotti cannot be described by any amount of insults, swear words, or made-up words that sound dirty, like "(put your favorite word here)", there's one thing that really got my blood boiling.

Besides spouting his anti-White-Sox-fanaticism, Moron mentions one thing that was really, truly wrong, and I'm not talking about numbers, facts, or figures here.

Moronotti compared the attack by an inebriated father and his, obviously, brain-washed son - an attack that was a spur-of-the-moment thing and could not have been prevented - to 9-11, an tragedy that can be rivaled by very few American events.

How this [expletives deleted] could compare two incredibly unrelated topics is beyond me! Sure, he's trying to touch on the point that security is supposed to be tighter because of what happened "1 year and 8 days ago" but even if these two imbeciles had been checked and were found to not be carrying anything, it would not be too difficult to leap over a short barrier to go attack somebody. Almost anybody could do it. And especially after some sort of play on the field that had a lot of action involved, causing a lot of people and players to be paying attention to the game.

Anyway, all I wanted to say was that the comparison was totally wrong and really had no reason to be in the column except to point out the obvious truth that Moronotti obviously knows.

:moron
"That's right. We all know Al Qaeda was involved with 9-11. But only I know that Al Qaeda translated stands for 'White Sox fan'. "


:moron
And "Jerry Reinsdorf" is really Osama bin Laden in disguise!!!!

Tragg
09-22-2002, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by viagracat
Leave it to a self-important ignoramus like Jay Mariotti to whine about Comiskey's lack of amenities and it's location in a "less than desireable neighborhood".

I think, overall, that Moronotti was kind to Sox fans in that article. Much of the article talked about the need for baseball to toughen up security.

I think that it would have been a different story from the Moron had the perps been black and lived in the projects across the freeway.

TornLabrum
09-22-2002, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Tragg
I think, overall, that Moronotti was kind to Sox fans in that article. Much of the article talked about the need for baseball to toughen up security.

I think that it would have been a different story from the Moron had the perps been black and lived in the projects across the freeway.

That didn't stop him from mentioning the "undesirable neighborhood."

PaleHoseGeorge
09-22-2002, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by TornLabrum
That didn't stop him from mentioning the "undesirable neighborhood."

Precisely. That's code. I'm shocked a sports journalist writing for a major newspaper would reach for convenient urban legends rather than enlighten his readers.

Shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED!

maurice
09-23-2002, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by WhiteSox = Life
Moronotti compared the attack by an inebriated father and his, obviously, brain-washed son - an attack that was a spur-of-the-moment thing and could not have been prevented - to 9-11, an tragedy that can be rivaled by very few American events.

How this [expletives deleted] could compare two incredibly unrelated topics is beyond me!



Must have listened to too many of W's speeches: "A capital gains tax cut will help us fight the war on terror."

Ballpark security rationally related to 9/11 would require only that security ensure that fans entering the park are not concealing 757s, unless they think someone can hijack Comiskey and fly it into a building.



I agree that Moronotti's comments are racist code. The Chicago media really needs to decide whether Bridgeport: (1) has too many minorities to draw lilly-white baseball fans, or (2) is the all-white, racist enclave portrayed in other articles.

In reality, it's neither. Bridgeport may be the most racially integrated community in the city, with large black, latino, Asian, and white ethnic populations. It's also exceptionaly economically integrated, with dirt poor, wealthy, and working class folks living on the same block. What kind of person would find that less "desirable" than yuppieville USA (a/k/a Lake View)?

OTOH, in terms of diversity, the area around Wrigley has a much higher cross-dresser/non-cross-dresser ratio.

FanOf14
09-23-2002, 01:12 PM
Maurice - good post! Thanks for the laugh (referring to the tealed line about hijacking Comiskey) - I really needed one today! :) :D: :) :D: