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OutcastRadio
07-23-2001, 12:27 PM
In 1999, after my Tribe lost Game 3 in the Division Series against Boston, I said I'd gladly lose the next two games if it meant getting rid of Mike Hargrove. They did lose, and they did dump him.

If it meant getting rid of Jerry Manuel (the coach, not our poster here), would you be willing to let these four games go???

Be honest. To this day, i still hear about losing that series, but I know deep down it was worth it.

Soxheads
07-23-2001, 12:42 PM
Are you an old tribe fan? if so, welcome to the other side! :)

doublem23
07-23-2001, 12:42 PM
I like JM.

Its time to kick the crap out of the Toons.

PaleHoseGeorge
07-23-2001, 12:42 PM
There is definitely a "good Jerry" and a "bad Jerry". Last year we saw nothing but "good" until perhaps the ALDS when Piniella danced circles around our guy.

2001 has had a measure of both Jerrys. He was the worst manager imaginable through late-May, but I have to give him credit for keeping the clubhouse together enough to get us back to .500. "Good Jerry" is the first manager to successfully navigate his team in such a fashion in ten years--no small feat.

For now I would keep Jerry because he has demonstrated more upside for our team than downside. That would have been unthinkable just ten months ago when I was convinced he was the best manager in the league this side of Joe Torre.

He's still "good", but he's lost a lot of the goodwill he had built up in 1999 and 2000.

"If that's a vote of confidence, I'll take it!":jerry

Jerry_Manuel
07-23-2001, 12:45 PM
Outcast even if the Sox lose all four games to the Tribe Williams will not fire Manuel. They signed him to an extension during spring training. With the injuries this year Williams is going to let Manuel slide. Next year with a healthy team if he does poorly he might get launched.

doublem23
07-23-2001, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Outcast Radio
In 1999, after my Tribe lost Game 3 in the Division Series against Boston, I said I'd gladly lose the next two games if it meant getting rid of Mike Hargrove. They did lose, and they did dump him.

If it meant getting rid of Jerry Manuel (the coach, not our poster here), would you be willing to let these four games go???

Be honest. To this day, i still hear about losing that series, but I know deep down it was worth it.

... and then you got stuck with Charlie Manuel.

Tragg
07-23-2001, 12:52 PM
Manuel's not a bad manager and I will never root for the Sox to tank, particularly against cleveland.

doublem23
07-23-2001, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Tragg
Manuel's not a bad manager and I will never root for the Sox to tank, particularly against cleveland.

Yeah, I think JM is taking a little more heat for this season than is his fault. Although he is to blame for some of the decisions he's made (playing Royce Clayton everyday), we should look at where we've been. I mean, for a team that was once 15 games under .500 to be sitting at .500 is amazing to me.

Maybe we are also playing the injury card too much, as well, but realistically, this has been an abnormally bad year for injuries. However, the positive that can be taken from this is that when healthy, we are a deep club. To lose as many players as we have and still be at .500 is amazing. Now we have to hold this team together, and that means keeping JM manager.

:jerry
Oh yeah. That b!tch Piniella is gonna pay next year!

FarWestChicago
07-23-2001, 01:01 PM
:hawk

I luv it when Outcast stirs thing up.

doublem23
07-23-2001, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by FarWestChicago
I luv it when Outcast stirs thing up.

:burly
Looks like I have to stop those Toons in their tracks.

:hawk
Mercy!

Fisk Fan
07-23-2001, 04:11 PM
Why is this guy talking about "my Indians" here? Someone left the door open and this guy snuck in. Especially during this series, I do not want to hear any ***** from Cleveland fans. This is a White Sox forum, let's keep it that way.

doublem23
07-23-2001, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Fisk Fan
Why is this guy talking about "my Indians" here? Someone left the door open and this guy snuck in. Especially during this series, I do not want to hear any ***** from Cleveland fans. This is a White Sox forum, let's keep it that way.

As long as he's not being a troll and saying crap like, "Yeah! Jim Thome is the best player in baseball" or "Indians rule! Sox suck!" I'm cool with it. It was an intelligent question, and sometimes it is important to hear from the other side of the story. He really didn't give us crap, and after that 2-game set at Comiskey, he had a reason to do so.

FarWestChicago
07-23-2001, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Fisk Fan
Why is this guy talking about "my Indians" here? Someone left the door open and this guy snuck in. Especially during this series, I do not want to hear any ***** from Cleveland fans. This is a White Sox forum, let's keep it that way.

Outcast has been with us for a year. He's a pretty funny guy and isn't a troll. We also have a Twins fan who is a decent guy, ma-gaga.

PaleHoseGeorge
07-23-2001, 04:23 PM
Outcast has been with us for a year. He's a pretty funny guy and isn't a troll. We also have a Twins fan who is a decent guy, ma-gaga.


Of course finding an intelligent Cubs fan to post here has been more difficult. It's the old rule of supply and demand I guess.

oxymoron = "intelligent Cubs fan"

:)

Fisk Fan
07-23-2001, 04:23 PM
Thanks for the insight. I just get so defensive when I hear people talking about their team in our house. If you guys say he's cool, then he's cool. Sorry for the reaction....

doublem23
07-23-2001, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge
Of course finding an intelligent Cubs fan to post here has been more difficult. It's the old rule of supply and demand I guess.

Yeah, I've read some of the dumbest gibberish the world has ever seen from some Cub fans. Such as Skip Bayless, Jay Mariotti, etc... and then you get the drunken fans!

FarWestChicago
07-23-2001, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Fisk Fan
Thanks for the insight. I just get so defensive when I hear people talking about their team in our house. If you guys say he's cool, then he's cool. Sorry for the reaction....

No problem. Outcast actually starts some great threads. He likes to stir things up. But, he doesn't troll here.

kermittheefrog
07-23-2001, 05:26 PM
Damn, if it meant getting rid of Manuel the poster I'd be up for that. However I like our manager, he protects the young pitchers and no one does everything right.

Jerry_Manuel
07-23-2001, 05:30 PM
Damn, if it meant getting rid of Manuel the poster I'd be up for that. However I like our manager, he protects the young pitchers and no one does everything right.


Thanks for the love Kermit :)

FarWestChicago
07-23-2001, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel



Thanks for the love Kermit :)


Hang in there, Jer!!

:jerry has many more fans than

:kermit

Daver
07-23-2001, 05:41 PM
If it was Charlie Manuel I'd think about it.
:)

Jerry_Manuel
07-23-2001, 05:44 PM
Hang in there, Jer!!

Thanks West, I know Kermit is not a fan of yours truly and that is ok he is entitled to his own opinion.


:blockhead
I think Jerry Manuel has done a great job with this White Sox team.

kermittheefrog
07-23-2001, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel



Thanks for the love Kermit :)

Oh it's not like you're much than that nicer to me :-P

kermittheefrog
07-23-2001, 05:46 PM
n/m

Jerry_Manuel
07-23-2001, 05:48 PM
Oh it's not like you're much than that nicer to me

I know that Kermit, I don't care what you said that's why I put the smiley face in there. I'm not mean to you all the time, I just disagree with what you say most of the time.

OutcastRadio
07-23-2001, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by FarWestChicago


No problem. Outcast actually starts some great threads. He likes to stir things up. But, he doesn't troll here.

Of course, I'm not exactly a nice guy in the ESPN boards, but this is where I choose to display my love for baseball.

Sure, I'm biased towards my Tribe, but there's mutual respect goin' on with me here.

Procol Harum
07-24-2001, 10:14 AM
Howdy everybody, I'm finally hip to the new teknollogee. I'd say Manuel should be given the benefit of the doubt for 2002. Granted, his early persistence in playing Clayton and Baines (which I believe he was probably under heavy pressure from the front office to do) was boneheaded. But, given all the calamities that have struck the Sox this year he's done a good job in getting the club to believe in itself and come back to respectability. Now let's hope we can at least earn a split in stinkin' Cleveland.