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Brian26
06-22-2014, 04:23 PM
Unreal.

Brian26
06-22-2014, 04:25 PM
The bad karma of DeAza should have been left in the clubhouse last year. I don't know how you bunt back to the pitcher to end the game.

Soxman219
06-22-2014, 04:27 PM
This sucks. Embarrassing.

Tragg
06-22-2014, 04:29 PM
The bad karma of DeAza should have been left in the clubhouse last year. I don't know how you bunt back to the pitcher to end the game.

Yep - just beyond belief.

What, 1 hit after the 3rd inning? Stymied by that Twinkie pen.

amsteel
06-22-2014, 04:30 PM
It is 7/9ths of a lineup that lost 99 games last year. April was unsustainable and there were only 0.500 in April.

LITTLE NELL
06-22-2014, 04:32 PM
Disgusting getting swept by Minny. The way Danks has pitched lately I thought we could avoid the sweep, wishful thinking.

Still so many holes on this team, we only have one outfielder, hopefully Garcia makes a good recovery from his surgery. I like Gillaspie but he has yet to hit a homer, we need 2 more starters, some better relief pitchers and a catcher. Hahn still has a lot of work ahead of him.

JB98
06-22-2014, 04:34 PM
Jared Burton and his 5.64 ERA close out the game. That's a fitting exclamation point to a series characterized by Sox hitters making bad pitchers look good.

I know De Aza is the whipping boy around here, but Viciedo and Flowers are two guys the Sox need to move on from. I was glad to see Viciedo's ass on the bench to start the game today, but then he appeared in the ninth inning to swing at bad pitches and give away an at-bat like usual.

Garcia's injury was huge, and we're seeing the effects of that loss more and more as the season progresses. It's been a long time since the Sox were this bad at the corner outfield spots. Sierra is no answer either, unless the question is, "Who is going to suck as the White Sox fourth outfielder for the rest of 2014?"

Tragg
06-22-2014, 04:37 PM
Garcia's injury was huge, and we're seeing the effects of that loss more and more as the season progresses. It's been a long time since the Sox were this bad at the corner outfield spots. Sierra is no answer either, unless the question is, "Who is going to suck as the White Sox fourth outfielder for the rest of 2014?"

It was huge, but he'll be back and hopefully get better. I'm very happy we didn't wait until this year to move Peavy, with his value at basically zilch. We should have moved De Aza last year too though.
Sierra/Danks/Wise - pick your poison - all bad 4th outfielders.

Noneck
06-22-2014, 04:42 PM
It is 7/9ths of a lineup that lost 99 games last year. April was unsustainable and there were only 0.500 in April.

Yes with 6 of the 7 hitting above their heads early and other being a real knucklehead. Losing streaks were just a matter of time.

Unreal.

Not really.

JB98
06-22-2014, 04:43 PM
It was huge, but he'll be back and hopefully get better. I'm very happy we didn't wait until this year to move Peavy, with his value at basically zilch. We should have moved De Aza last year too though.
Sierra/Danks/Wise - pick your poison - all bad 4th outfielders.

Yeah, for all the bad defense and baserunner blunders De Aza has had, last year he set some career highs hitting-wise. Might have had some value then as a fourth outfielder to a contender. Now? No chance. He'll likely play out the rest of the year with the Sox and be let go at the end of the season. If not for the lack of outfield depth in the organization, he'd be a DFA candidate.

Viciedo was given a second chance to play every day as a result of Garcia's injury, and he is blowing it -- one big swing and a miss at a time.

DrCrawdad
06-22-2014, 04:44 PM
The bad karma of DeAza should have been left in the clubhouse last year. I don't know how you bunt back to the pitcher to end the game.

Done with DeAza. Not all on him, not at all, but he's not the answer. Well beyond the time to move him. Danks isn't the answer either but he'll give the Sox nearly the same offense and better defense.

Disgusting getting swept by Minny. The way Danks has pitched lately I thought we could avoid the sweep, wishful thinking.

Still so many holes on this team, we only have one outfielder, hopefully Garcia makes a good recovery from his surgery. I like Gillaspie but he has yet to hit a homer, we need 2 more starters, some better relief pitchers and a catcher. Hahn still has a lot of work ahead of him.

Glad I boycotted the game today.

I think the Sox had the lead in all 4 games. The Twins are probably having a good time laughing at and mocking the Sox. Embarrassing.

Tragg
06-22-2014, 04:54 PM
I notice that the Sox pitching staff leads the majors in walks by a large margin; also 4th to last in strikeouts.

ChiSoxGal85
06-22-2014, 05:08 PM
Nauseating getting swept by the Twinks...the sooner I put this Totally Disgusted and Biased Game Report (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=4&id=4530) to bed, the sooner I can forget it. I'll update it with the Pick to Click later.

Boondock Saint
06-22-2014, 05:19 PM
John Danks is awful. Everything else has pretty much been covered.

Crestani
06-22-2014, 05:27 PM
I notice that the Sox pitching staff leads the majors in walks by a large margin; also 4th to last in strikeouts.

And the Sox hitters lead the world in striking out...!!!

shingo10
06-22-2014, 05:51 PM
John Danks is awful. Everything else has pretty much been covered.


He had an awful game but he's not awful. His previous 4 starts were beyond solid against some very tough hitting line ups. He clearly had nothing working today from the get go. It happens.

As so many have said De Aza's bunt was unreal. I had to laugh out loud at the absurdity of it all. Robin looked pissed in the dugout after that.

TomBradley72
06-22-2014, 06:01 PM
One of the worst WSox outfields since the days of Garr/Lemon/Claudell Washington, and Flowers reminds me of the Bruce Kimm/Marv Foley/Mike Colbern era-

Yuck-

Noneck
06-22-2014, 06:21 PM
One of the worst WSox outfields since the days of Garr/Lemon/Claudell Washington, and Flowers reminds me of the Bruce Kimm/Marv Foley/Mike Colbern era-

Yuck-

Garr and Washington were butchers but at least they could hit.

LITTLE NELL
06-22-2014, 06:26 PM
Garr and Washington were butchers but at least they could hit.

Washington was the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen in a White Sox uniform.

Brian26
06-22-2014, 07:13 PM
Yeah, for all the bad defense and baserunner blunders De Aza has had, last year he set some career highs hitting-wise. Might have had some value then as a fourth outfielder to a contender. Now? No chance. He'll likely play out the rest of the year with the Sox and be let go at the end of the season. If not for the lack of outfield depth in the organization, he'd be a DFA candidate.

Viciedo was given a second chance to play every day as a result of Garcia's injury, and he is blowing it -- one big swing and a miss at a time.

If there's a bright light in all of this (and this was really the goal this season anyway), Hahn has now hopefully identified the next targets he needs to work on at the deadline and over the winter. The plan all along was to give Flowers a real chance after his injury was healed and also to give Viciedo one more chance.

Brian26
06-22-2014, 07:16 PM
One of the worst WSox outfields since the days of Garr/Lemon/Claudell Washington, and Flowers reminds me of the Bruce Kimm/Marv Foley/Mike Colbern era-

Yuck-

I was a fan of Chet Lemon.

SoxSpeed22
06-22-2014, 07:17 PM
I feel that the worst part about this is that the tradeable pieces at the beginning of the year are no longer tradeable. This is going to be a pretty long July.

tstrike2000
06-22-2014, 07:27 PM
Hawk hit the nail on the head at the end of the game. When I saw the 11-game road trip coming up a few a weeks ago, I figured it had the potential to be rough. However, I never saw a 4-game sweep in Minnesota coming. I don't care how good or bad the Twinks are, I'm also very tired of losing the majority of our games to them for the better part of the last 12 years. It's tiring seeing walks, walks, and more walks, bad defensive play, and the triple-core of suck (De Aza, Viciedo and Flowers). The lone bright spot coming up is Toronto has been struggling lately with Lawrie and Bautista both potentially being on the DL. We never play well in Toronto, but maybe we can earn a split.

LITTLE NELL
06-22-2014, 07:32 PM
I was a fan of Chet Lemon.

Me too, I'll take an outfield of 3 Chet Lemons.

Mohoney
06-22-2014, 07:33 PM
If there's a bright light in all of this (and this was really the goal this season anyway), Hahn has now hopefully identified the next targets he needs to work on at the deadline and over the winter. The plan all along was to give Flowers a real chance after his injury was healed and also to give Viciedo one more chance.

This is the perfect way to look at things. De Aza, Viciedo, and Flowers are playing their way out of the team's future plans. It's better to seal their fates now than have any of these three adversely affect things during a more competitive season in 2015, or more realistically, 2016.

A quick glance at next year's free agent catchers really drives home the point of just how difficult it is for a major league GM to fill this position. I'm not going to throw Rick Hahn under the bus for not being able to find one in only one off-season.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/league-info/potential-free-agents-for-2015/

cv sox fan
06-22-2014, 07:46 PM
Pathetic loss of a series by a pathetic team. We need corner outfielders I'd take dank there over deza he can play defense.as far as catcher I believe flowers is there guy. Suzuki was available I believe. They have a ton of holes to fill hope manager is one we are over managed a lot

Zakath
06-22-2014, 07:50 PM
The two wins over the Giants seem like a lifetime ago...

DumpJerry
06-22-2014, 09:00 PM
Thanks goodness the Metrodome is gone. :rolleyes:

TomBradley72
06-22-2014, 09:12 PM
I was a fan of Chet Lemon.

Me too- I don't know how he survived covering for the butchers on either side of him-

Railsplitter
06-22-2014, 09:27 PM
Chet Lemon was our lone All-Star in both 1978 and 1979

Noneck
06-22-2014, 10:28 PM
I was a fan of Chet Lemon.

Me too, I'll take an outfield of 3 Chet Lemons.


I think the point was a solid centerfielder flanked on both sides by butchers.

slavko
06-22-2014, 11:30 PM
Avi is kind of a butcher too. So learn to love it. Just hope the guy can hit and run the bases.

Lemon44
06-22-2014, 11:35 PM
Claudell Washington > Alejandro DeAza
Chester Lemon > Adam Eaton

I once watched Ralph Garr swing and miss a pitch that bounced 3 feet in front of the plate. It ended the inning and left Harry and Jimmy speechless.

Garr = Viciedo

BainesHOF
06-23-2014, 01:02 AM
Geezus, Garr won a batting title. Please don't mention him in the same sentence as Viciedo. And for you youngsters out there, Lemon set a record for putouts by an outfielder in a season, and the guy could hit.

Moving on to the present. One of the team's many problems is in the dugout. Jackson and Farmer were openly critical throughout the game of Ventura not giving Ramirez a day off. They said it's obvious he's tired. (Jackson and Farmer are the most honest baseball announcing team in the city by a long shot.)

I'm expecting to hear the organization announce another contract extension for Ventura any day now.

JB98
06-23-2014, 01:45 AM
Avi is kind of a butcher too. So learn to love it. Just hope the guy can hit and run the bases.

Disagree. This might be damning with faint praise, but he is clearly a better defender than Viciedo or De Aza. He's not great, no. He might not even be good. But he's not a complete embarrassment out there like the two we've got now.

Frater Perdurabo
06-23-2014, 06:11 AM
Meanwhile, Alex Rios is among the league leaders in hits. Salary relief was nice, because it helped to sign Abreu, but dumping Rios created a hole in the outfield.

Viciedo and DeAza should be fourth OFs. Danks and Sierra should be fifth OFs.

DrCrawdad
06-23-2014, 06:25 AM
Geezus, Garr won a batting title. Please don't mention him in the same sentence as Viciedo. And for you youngsters out there, Lemon set a record for putouts by an outfielder in a season, and the guy could hit.

Moving on to the present. One of the team's many problems is in the dugout. Jackson and Farmer were openly critical throughout the game of Ventura not giving Ramirez a day off. They said it's obvious he's tired. (Jackson and Farmer are the most honest baseball announcing team in the city by a long shot.)

I'm expecting to hear the organization announce another contract extension for Ventura any day now.

You're so right about Farmer/Jackson. They (rightfully) called out Viciedo's poor defense this series.

Chet Lemon was a good to very good outfielder. Garr was a below average fielder but he was a very good hitter.

Noneck
06-23-2014, 06:36 AM
You're so right about Farmer/Jackson. They (rightfully) called out Viciedo's poor defense this series.

Chet Lemon was a good to very good outfielder. Garr was a below average fielder but he was a very good hitter.

Totally agree on Farmer/Jackson.

Garr also had speed on the base paths which was a lot better that De Aza. Beep Beep.

TomBradley72
06-23-2014, 07:45 AM
I think the point was a solid centerfielder flanked on both sides by butchers.

Yes- that was exactly my point.

I used do a great Chet Lemon impression (stance & catching flyballs) in Pony League. :cool:

Noneck
06-23-2014, 08:00 AM
I used to a great Chet Lemon impression (stance & catching flyballs) in Pony League. :cool:

My younger brother used to one hand his catches in pony league like Lemon and I used to drill him like Piersall did on tv about Lemon.

doublem23
06-23-2014, 08:46 AM
Well they didn't go into the crapper until June this year, so we're making progress!!!

SOXSINCE'70
06-23-2014, 09:06 AM
Glad I boycotted the game today.


"Jersey Boys",all 2 1/2 stars of it, was better than this.:(:

SOXBOY
06-23-2014, 09:16 AM
Chet Lemon my favorite ball player of all time. I cried the day we traded him to Detroit.

Irishsox1
06-23-2014, 10:00 AM
On the whole the talent is there on this team with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 people but they are very inconsistent with their effort and attention to detail. The team plays flat.

I'm surprised more people are not calling for Ventura to be fired. The guy is a dud with no pulse and his team plays like it.

smac38
06-23-2014, 10:57 AM
I'm surprised more people are not calling for Ventura to be fired. The guy is a dud with no pulse and his team plays like it.

He really is clueless IMO. He did a nice job leaving Dunn in to face Perkins, 2 days in a row, with the tying run on base. I guess Robin thought Dunn was due with his 0-12 numbers against the lefty closer.

Between stuff like that and some of the pitching changes/non changes he makes, there's no way they can win with the guy at the helm. Luckily for him, and with the current roster, competing for a championship isn't an issue.

Foulke You
06-23-2014, 11:00 AM
Jared Burton and his 5.64 ERA close out the game. That's a fitting exclamation point to a series characterized by Sox hitters making bad pitchers look good.

I know De Aza is the whipping boy around here, but Viciedo and Flowers are two guys the Sox need to move on from. I was glad to see Viciedo's ass on the bench to start the game today, but then he appeared in the ninth inning to swing at bad pitches and give away an at-bat like usual.

Garcia's injury was huge, and we're seeing the effects of that loss more and more as the season progresses. It's been a long time since the Sox were this bad at the corner outfield spots. Sierra is no answer either, unless the question is, "Who is going to suck as the White Sox fourth outfielder for the rest of 2014?"
100% agree. The team has other problems too but the dynamic duo of Viciedo and Flowers has really stood out to me as a giant albatross during this slump the Sox have been in. Both hitters came out of the gate hitting everything in sight but since May have been playing far below replacement level and striking out at a ridiculous rate. Since we are playing for the future, I see no reason why they shouldn't get Nieto as many ABs as possible.

Since May 1st:

Tyler Flowers .162avg (19 for 117 with 53Ks, 12 BBs)
Dayan Viciedo .193avg (34 for 176 with 40Ks, 8 BBs)

They have both been trending even worse in June than they were in May. Viciedo has a paltry 2 RBIs and 1HR this month. Flowers is hitting .089 and Viciedo is hitting .134 in the month of June. There are probably backup catchers and NL pitchers that have more offensive production in June than these two. I realize we don't have a ton of roster options but isn't it at least worth it to *try* someone else out there? At least a benching for a few days?

smac38
06-23-2014, 11:08 AM
I realize we don't have a ton of roster options but isn't it at least worth it to *try* someone else out there? At least a benching for a few days?

I don't understand how they aren't giving Nieto more time back there. I know the guy isn't a powerhouse or world beater by any means, but he's been serviceable and you might as well see what the kid can do.

Unless they're trying to get Flowers play himself out of the league, I see no harm in giving Nieto more AB's.

Foulke You
06-23-2014, 11:13 AM
I don't understand how they aren't giving Nieto more time back there. I know the guy isn't a powerhouse or world beater by any means, but he's been serviceable and you might as well see what the kid can do.

Unless they're trying to get Flowers play himself out of the league, I see no harm in giving Nieto more AB's.
Nieto has been steadily showing improvement as the season has gone on as he continues to adjust to MLB. At the very least, Nieto should be equally sharing catching duties with Flowers at this point and not backing him up.

GoSox2K3
06-23-2014, 11:18 AM
Sox are 35-41. On June 22 last year, they were 31-41. Tied in the loss column with last year's team - woo!!!

Unreal.

"Believe It"

Meanwhile, Alex Rios is among the league leaders in hits. Salary relief was nice, because it helped to sign Abreu, but dumping Rios created a hole in the outfield.

Viciedo and DeAza should be fourth OFs. Danks and Sierra should be fifth OFs.

This is the key right here. The Rios trade was nothing more than a salary dump. I don't have a problem with that. It could very well be that the Sox wouldn't have landed Abreu if they still had Alex's contract on their books.

Rios looks great now, but this is a contract year for him. The Rangers have an option on his contract for 2015. Not surprised to see him looking good for Texas right now.

smac38
06-23-2014, 11:23 AM
Nieto has been steadily showing improvement as the season has gone on as he continues to adjust to MLB. At the very least, Nieto should be equally sharing catching duties with Flowers at this point and not backing him up.

I completely agree. The fact that he'd never played higher than A ball, prior to this year and is playing at an equal, if not higher level than Flowers, tells me all I need to know about Flowers.

kittle42
06-23-2014, 12:35 PM
Their infatuation with Flowers is baffling. Guy brings nothing to the table. Just horrid defensively, too.

WhiteSox5187
06-23-2014, 01:02 PM
Their infatuation with Flowers is baffling. Guy brings nothing to the table. Just horrid defensively, too.

The pitchers seem to like him and he is better at framing pitches than Nieto is. Personally, if Flowers and Quintana like Flowers so much, he should catch for just them and give Nieto the other starts. Unless they're worried about Nieto struggling and not handling them well.

Irishsox1
06-23-2014, 01:29 PM
Rios had to go, the guy is talented but a head case. Don't miss that guy at all. Rios and Peavy were so similar, I was consistently reminded by the media how awesome they were but if it was a big game, they couldn't come through.

As for Flowers, he's been playing better this year, his defense is better and he's had some good at bats working walks or laying down bunts. Saying that, he strikes out way too much and at 28 years old, it the light bulb hasn't gone off yet, it's better to start working towards the future rather than spend time on a 28 year old project.

JB98
06-23-2014, 01:32 PM
On the whole the talent is there on this team with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 people but they are very inconsistent with their effort and attention to detail. The team plays flat.

I'm surprised more people are not calling for Ventura to be fired. The guy is a dud with no pulse and his team plays like it.

The Sox don't need more "fire and passion" from the manager. They need better players.

amsteel
06-23-2014, 01:33 PM
The pitchers seem to like him and he is better at framing pitches than Nieto is.

True, but they're both below average.
http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

shingo10
06-23-2014, 01:55 PM
Apparently we have a catching prospect....


https://twitter.com/jnorris427/status/480916114437074945

Foulke You
06-23-2014, 02:02 PM
True, but they're both below average.
http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php
Also, Flowers is what he is defensively and will not improve. Nieto is still learning to receive MLB quality pitchers and has room to get better. He was quoted as saying that there aren't too many guys in A ball that have the pitch movement in MLB.

white sox bill
06-23-2014, 02:38 PM
It was a good .500 run while it lasted, now back down to earth

Irishsox1
06-23-2014, 03:20 PM
The Sox don't need more "fire and passion" from the manager. They need better players.

The Sox addressed a lot of player issues dumping Rios and Peavy and picking up Eaton and Abreau. The starting pitching has been substandard but overall the Sox have more talent than Minnesota and Cleveland but those teams have much better managers.

It's not about "fire and passion" it's about making players accountable for their play. Robin lets way too much horrible play slide. It's not about getting kicked out of games or ripping on players in the media, it's about letting your team know that as the manager that you want to win every game and will do whatever it takes to win that game. Robin concedes too many games and his team has picked up on it.

Robin's management philosophy is that it's a long season and not to get too high or too low and to just plug along. That's alright if you are coaching a successful veteran team but this team isn't a veteran team and they have no idea what successful baseball looks like.

What has Robin Ventura done to warrant any sort of support? He's 183-217 as a manager, .458 percent. After 400 games that's worse than Ozzie, Manual, Bevington, Lamont & Torborg. Only Jim Fregosi was worse and he went 193-226 in 2 1/2 season as manager, by the way that's a .460 percent.

WhiteSox5187
06-23-2014, 03:28 PM
The Sox addressed a lot of player issues dumping Rios and Peavy and picking up Eaton and Abreau. The starting pitching has been substandard but overall the Sox have more talent than Minnesota and Cleveland but those teams have much better managers.

It's not about "fire and passion" it's about making players accountable for their play. Robin lets way too much horrible play slide. It's not about getting kicked out of games or ripping on players in the media, it's about letting your team know that as the manager that you want to win every game and will do whatever it takes to win that game. Robin concedes too many games and his team has picked up on it.

Robin's management philosophy is that it's a long season and not to get too high or too low and to just plug along. That's alright if you are coaching a successful veteran team but this team isn't a veteran team and they have no idea what successful baseball looks like.

What has Robin Ventura done to warrant any sort of support? He's 183-217 as a manager, .458 percent. After 400 games that's worse than Ozzie, Manual, Bevington, Lamont & Torborg. Only Jim Fregosi was worse and he went 193-226 in 2 1/2 season as manager, by the way that's a .460 percent.

I'm not a fan of Robin, but I don't think it's fair to point to his winning percentage as a strike against him. I think that Robin is a problem but I don't think he is the biggest problem the White Sox have in regards to their recent struggles, but he is a problem.

The way he handles guys, Sale and Abreu immediately come to mind, is unnerving. I don't think the White Sox will ever contend with a young team and Ventura at the helm but I don't think it's not a pressing issue that the White Sox need to address.

Irishsox1
06-23-2014, 04:26 PM
I'm not a fan of Robin, but I don't think it's fair to point to his winning percentage as a strike against him. I think that Robin is a problem but I don't think he is the biggest problem the White Sox have in regards to their recent struggles, but he is a problem.

The way he handles guys, Sale and Abreu immediately come to mind, is unnerving. I don't think the White Sox will ever contend with a young team and Ventura at the helm but I don't think it's not a pressing issue that the White Sox need to address.

At this rate Robin will be fired after this season, just too many losses. Fair or not, he's paid to win games and he's not winning enough games.

Crestani
06-23-2014, 05:02 PM
At this rate Robin will be fired after this season, just too many losses. Fair or not, he's paid to win games and he's not winning enough games.


No he won't. He will plod along through the entire 2015 season and then, and only then, will he be evaluated by the talent around him against the teams record. You need to remember who hired him, it was Kenny Williams, and he sticks with his people until Jerry starts asking him why..!!

white sox bill
06-23-2014, 05:12 PM
Me thinks Robin is a nice guy who can marry my sister anyday (even though she been married for long time) but I really dont want him managing my team

cards press box
06-23-2014, 05:18 PM
100% agree. The team has other problems too but the dynamic duo of Viciedo and Flowers has really stood out to me as a giant albatross during this slump the Sox have been in. Both hitters came out of the gate hitting everything in sight but since May have been playing far below replacement level and striking out at a ridiculous rate. Since we are playing for the future, I see no reason why they shouldn't get Nieto as many ABs as possible.

Since May 1st:

Tyler Flowers .162avg (19 for 117 with 53Ks, 12 BBs)
Dayan Viciedo .193avg (34 for 176 with 40Ks, 8 BBs)

They have both been trending even worse in June than they were in May. Viciedo has a paltry 2 RBIs and 1HR this month. Flowers is hitting .089 and Viciedo is hitting .134 in the month of June. There are probably backup catchers and NL pitchers that have more offensive production in June than these two. I realize we don't have a ton of roster options but isn't it at least worth it to *try* someone else out there? At least a benching for a few days?

Flowers and Viciedo have been terrible offensively in the last month or so and the team's record reflects that.

Assuming that Avi Garcia goes back to RF next year -- and I don't see why we wouldn't assume that -- the Sox definitely need an upgrade at three everyday positions at a minimum: catcher, LF and DH.

If Matt Davidson has a great second half and earns the starting 3B job next year, then maybe Gillaspie and Viciedo can platoon at DH next year. But, even so, the Sox still need upgrades at catcher and LF. And they need more depth in the starting rotation, too.

Apparently we have a catching prospect....

https://twitter.com/jnorris427/status/480916114437074945

Omar Narvaez was in the Tampa Bay system. The Sox took him in the AAA portion of the Rule 5 draft. Like Adrian Nieto, Narvaez is a switch hitting catcher.

Narvaez is 22 and just got promoted from Kannapolis to Winston-Salem. He has hit .301 this year and apparently throws well.

Bringing young, talented catchers into the Sox system can only be a good thing.

At this rate Robin will be fired after this season, just too many losses. Fair or not, he's paid to win games and he's not winning enough games.

No, I don't think so. The Sox have made progress but still have holes. But they are making progress. Ventura's calm demeanor is better suited to this kind of rebuilding than a blustery demeanor, anyway.

Ventura knows that the Sox are short on talent right now. But reinforcements are coming and Ventura and the Sox management know that, too.

tstrike2000
06-23-2014, 05:18 PM
At this rate Robin will be fired after this season, just too many losses. Fair or not, he's paid to win games and he's not winning enough games.

Prepare for Robin to be around, he's not going anywhere after this season. His managing can be a real head scratcher sometimes, but like JB mentioned, we just have too many bad players. With Avisail out, Viciedo and De Aza just aren't good. Alejandro could at least hit his last few seasons here, but this year he sucks all-around, plus falls asleep on the base paths. Tyler Flowers will never be anything but a AAAA player and Conor Gillaspie I don't think was ever meant to be an everyday player. He's playing well, hitting .338 but with the tradeoff being no power. And quite frankly, after Sale, there's really nobody else I trust on our pitching staff.

amsteel
06-23-2014, 06:09 PM
They didn't extend RV just to can him. He'll be gone by mid season 2016 and my money is on the replacement already being somewhere in the organization. Hopefully not Thome.

gobears1987
06-23-2014, 08:17 PM
They didn't extend RV just to can him. He'll be gone by mid season 2016 and my money is on the replacement already being somewhere in the organization. Hopefully not Thome.
That is the type of move this organization is just dumb enough to make.