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Viva Medias B's
06-03-2014, 10:15 PM
The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting (http://www.suntimes.com/27855702-761/cubs-may-announce-parting-with-wgn-radio-on-thursday.html#.U45_s6ZOXIU) this evening that the Chicago Cubs have called a Thursday press conference to announce a new radio deal that will end its longtime relationship with WGN-AM (720). The Cubs are expected to announce that WBBM-AM (780) will be the new radio flagship starting with the 2015 season. With this deal, CBS Radio Chicago will own the terrestrial broadcast rights of both teams.

tebman
06-03-2014, 10:49 PM
That's remarkable if it's true. The Cubs are so closely associated with WGN that I would've thought they'd overpay big time to keep the games on there, especially with the new management at WGN shaking things up.

News programming is what makes WBBM the highest billing station in Chicago and baseball is going to cut deeply into that. I don't get it.

Brian26
06-03-2014, 11:06 PM
It's unbelievable. I remember listening to Vince Lloyd and Lou Boudreau calls games on WGN-AM in the late 70s. That seems like a long time ago, but they've been on the station over twice as long as that. 90 years. Crazy.

Noneck
06-03-2014, 11:20 PM
This will really cut into the news broadcasting on news radio 78. As has been said it makes no sense to either radio station but I assume they know what they are doing. Id like to say I dont care but I do listen to news radio.

slavko
06-03-2014, 11:50 PM
I hesitate to contradict the Sun-Times, but Bert Wilson brought us the glory of 1945 on all 5000 watts of WIND, IIRC. So the 90 years may not have been consecutive.

tebman
06-04-2014, 12:04 AM
Here's (http://www.robertfeder.com/2014/06/03/why-wgn-radio-lost-the-cubs/) more inside scoop from Robert Feder.

tebman
06-04-2014, 12:13 AM
I hesitate to contradict the Sun-Times, but Bert Wilson brought us the glory of 1945 on all 5000 watts of WIND, IIRC. So the 90 years may not have been consecutive.

True. WIND carried the Cubs for a number of years into the 1950s. There's some history on that here (http://books.google.com/books?id=yrT41WlDjwcC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=chicago+cubs+%22wind+radio%22&source=bl&ots=wRui3zrvXr&sig=qe5V0bSiNU8-7M5uZrUAPmCZUVE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_puOU-WXJMSnsATQxICYAw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=chicago%20cubs%20%22wind%20radio%22&f=false).

Noneck
06-04-2014, 12:54 AM
Here's (http://www.robertfeder.com/2014/06/03/why-wgn-radio-lost-the-cubs/) more inside scoop from Robert Feder.


Now it makes more sense, I bet 670 is expecting to lose the Sox after next year and then the cubs will move to 670.

LITTLE NELL
06-04-2014, 09:05 AM
Jack Brickhouse is turning in his grave along with Jack Quinlan, Vince Lloyd and Lou Boudreau. WGN and the Cubs are like peanut butter and jelly or scotch and soda. I would have never bet on the Cubs and WGN parting ways.

roylestillman
06-04-2014, 09:47 AM
Interesting on a number of fronts.

You wonder whether a strong FM station that WBBM has played a part in this. WGN's 87.7 is barely available. The sound quality is remarkable on Bears games.

May be good news for the Sox. WGN might be interested if the price is right. I have to believe that the amount that WGN was paying was highly inflated by Zell when he worked the deal. He was trying to get the revenue dollars for the Cubs up and fool any rube that would come along and buy them. Remember the Cubs sale was outside of the Tribune bankruptcy.

The end is near for "Go Cubs Go." You can no longer catch it all on dubyagee-nn.

tebman
06-04-2014, 09:48 AM
I didn't understand why WBBM would want to carry baseball and bump off hundreds of hours of their profitable news programming. A guy in the broadcast business pointed out to me that most baseball games occur during "non-billable" hours (mid-day and evening) when radio ad revenue is lowest. Running ball games during those intervals provides more income than they would get otherwise.

That said, I wonder what happens if there's a high-profile news event during a Cubs game -- will WBBM break in and interrupt the game? For better or worse, WBBM is the go-to station for news. WBBM did carry the White Sox for a couple of years around 1980, but their news programming was not as tightly formatted then.

The whole thing is interesting. It's probably just a matter of time before a similar thing happens with the White Sox. Will Sox games end up on Pandora or SiriusXM? Anything is possible.

roylestillman
06-04-2014, 10:12 AM
I didn't understand why WBBM would want to carry baseball and bump off hundreds of hours of their profitable news programming. A guy in the broadcast business pointed out to me that most baseball games occur during "non-billable" hours (mid-day and evening) when radio ad revenue is lowest. Running ball games during those intervals provides more income than they would get otherwise.

That said, I wonder what happens if there's a high-profile news event during a Cubs game -- will WBBM break in and interrupt the game? For better or worse, WBBM is the go-to station for news. WBBM did carry the White Sox for a couple of years around 1980, but their news programming was not as tightly formatted then.

The whole thing is interesting. It's probably just a matter of time before a similar thing happens with the White Sox. Will Sox games end up on Pandora or SiriusXM? Anything is possible.

I think MLB has all "new media" under its control. I don't know of any franchise that has an independent deal with an online or satellite provider. Trouble is these providers are eating away at the value of radio deals. The days of the kid with the transistor in Nebraska trying to tune in KMOX to get the Cardinals game are over.

Hitmen77
06-04-2014, 10:58 AM
I wonder how much CBS Radio is paying for the new deal with the Cubs? The articles in the Trib and Sun Times say that WGN Radio opted out of their contract because they were losing money on their current deal with the Cubs (due to declining ratings).

I hate both the Cubs and WGN Radio, but I'm surprised they're parting ways.

Makes me wonder where the Sox will end up after their deal with the Score ends. I hope they don't end up back on ESPN 1000 and it's lousy signal.

russ99
06-04-2014, 11:25 AM
The days of the kid with the transistor in Nebraska trying to tune in KMOX to get the Cardinals game are over.

Or me in Chicago. Getting Jack Buck on the transistor when the wind was right was pretty cool back in the day. :D:

I also wonder if this is the beginning of the end for WGN broadcasting Cubs games on TV. We all know the Cubs are looking to go to start their cable channel at some point.

I'd love to see the Sox move in on this, if so. Kind of the reverse of the early 80s.

kobo
06-04-2014, 11:50 AM
I didn't understand why WBBM would want to carry baseball and bump off hundreds of hours of their profitable news programming. A guy in the broadcast business pointed out to me that most baseball games occur during "non-billable" hours (mid-day and evening) when radio ad revenue is lowest. Running ball games during those intervals provides more income than they would get otherwise.

That said, I wonder what happens if there's a high-profile news event during a Cubs game -- will WBBM break in and interrupt the game? For better or worse, WBBM is the go-to station for news. WBBM did carry the White Sox for a couple of years around 1980, but their news programming was not as tightly formatted then.

The whole thing is interesting. It's probably just a matter of time before a similar thing happens with the White Sox. Will Sox games end up on Pandora or SiriusXM? Anything is possible.
BBM can broadcast games on the AM channel and keep News going on 105.9 FM. Or vice versa. I don't see both stations broadcasting the game at the same time but maybe I'm wrong.

Noneck
06-04-2014, 11:58 AM
Id like the Sox to jump to wgn radio now, it has a different following than 670 and may bring in some new fans.

roylestillman
06-04-2014, 12:20 PM
Another tid bit.

Three WGN broadcasting honchos (Wert, Decastro and someday else) were on 87.7 a bit ago trying to explain ( and console Dave Kaplan ) the reason they didn't renew with the Cubs. Primarily they were losing too much money and pointed out that this year they had lost 3 major advertisers; Chevy, Blue Cross, and Old Style beer. They said ratings were down, in fact on some weekends at the end of the year the number of people meters, rating services use to measure the audience, that we're shown tuned into WGN were exactly 0.

jdm2662
06-04-2014, 12:59 PM
Another tid bit.

Three WGN broadcasting honchos (Wert, Decastro and someday else) were on 87.7 a bit ago trying to explain ( and console Dave Kaplan ) the reason they didn't renew with the Cubs. Primarily they were losing too much money and pointed out that this year they had lost 3 major advertisers; Chevy, Blue Cross, and Old Style beer. They said ratings were down, in fact on some weekends at the end of the year the number of people meters, rating services use to measure the audience, that we're shown tuned into WGN were exactly 0.

That just made me laugh. :redneck

kba
06-04-2014, 01:47 PM
BBM can broadcast games on the AM channel and keep News going on 105.9 FM. Or vice versa. I don't see both stations broadcasting the game at the same time but maybe I'm wrong.

My understanding is that's the plan. The Cubs games will air only on 780, and news programming will continue on 105.9.

Under the most likely scenario, CBS will move the Cubs to 670 when the Sox contract expires after the 2015 season. It will be interesting to see if WGN is interested in the Sox contract.

Foulke You
06-04-2014, 03:02 PM
Makes me wonder where the Sox will end up after their deal with the Score ends. I hope they don't end up back on ESPN 1000 and it's lousy signal.
Yeah, I'll echo your sentiment about ESPN 1000. The weaker signal made it harder to pick up games in some areas. If the Sox move to WGN, it would still be a strong signal and almost equivalent to 670.

On a side note, if the Sox move away from 670, I wonder what this means for Ed Farmer and Darrin Jackson's status as the team's radio broadcasters? My understanding is that both of them are technically employees of the radio station and not the Sox. (Although the Sox do have some input on the hirings) In fact, it was WSCR who let John Rooney go as the team's play by play guy because they didn't want to pay him what he was asking for.

tebman
06-04-2014, 03:45 PM
Makes me wonder where the Sox will end up after their deal with the Score ends. I hope they don't end up back on ESPN 1000 and it's lousy signal.

Yeah, I'll echo your sentiment about ESPN 1000. The weaker signal made it harder to pick up games in some areas. If the Sox move to WGN, it would still be a strong signal and almost equivalent to 670.

Here's the problem with WMVP -- in the daytime this is its signal pattern (distances are minimums for signal levels):

http://radio-locator.com/pats/WMVP_AM_LD.gif


And this is its nighttime signal pattern:

http://radio-locator.com/pats/WMVP_AM_LN.gif


WMVP shares its frequency with KOMO in Seattle. When the sun goes down both stations point their signals away from each other to reduce interference. When WMVP's transmitter site in Downers Grove was first built in the 1930s, it was far west of Chicago's metropolitan area and covered nearly everybody in the market. Since then the population has spread way out. If you're further west than around Aurora the nighttime signal is between weak and dead.

There's no real fix. Most big AM stations are stuck with what they've got because of the cost to move the transmitter plant and the risk of interference to other stations if they actually were able to move.

WSCR and WGN don't have that problem because they officially don't share their frequencies at night with anybody. They can blast 50,000 watts in all directions like a fountain, which is why they can be received in a couple dozen states at night. We can hope the Sox stay on one or the other.

DannyCaterFan
06-04-2014, 05:45 PM
My understanding is that's the plan. The Cubs games will air only on 780, and news programming will continue on 105.9.

Under the most likely scenario, CBS will move the Cubs to 670 when the Sox contract expires after the 2015 season. It will be interesting to see if WGN is interested in the Sox contract.

According to their interview this morning, DeCastro says he is friends with Reinsdorf and they would want to explore a possible deal with the White Sox for 2016.

Noneck
06-04-2014, 06:02 PM
WSCR and WGN don't have that problem because they officially don't share their frequencies at night with anybody. They can blast 50,000 watts in all directions like a fountain, which is why they can be received in a couple dozen states at night.


With much on the cubs audience outside the transmitter zone , it tells me the broadcast on wbbm will be for next year only and then move to 670.

gobears1987
06-04-2014, 06:58 PM
While I know moving stations would mean the same radio crew for the broadcast of the games (Farmer and DJ are Sox employees, not WSCR employrees), I'd love to see them move so they can have someone other than Rongey do pre/post game coverage. He is terrible.

Foulke You
06-04-2014, 07:09 PM
While I know moving stations would mean the same radio crew for the broadcast of the games (Farmer and DJ are Sox employees, not WSCR employrees), I'd love to see them move so they can have someone other than Rongey do pre/post game coverage. He is terrible.
My understanding is that the Sox have input on their broadcast teams but Farmer and DJ are technically WSCR employees. It was WSCR that took a pass on bringing back John Rooney because of salary costs.

gobears1987
06-04-2014, 07:27 PM
My understanding is that the Sox have input on their broadcast teams but Farmer and DJ are technically WSCR employees. It was WSCR that took a pass on bringing back John Rooney because of salary costs.

That's not true as the Sox have sole discretion on the TV and radio pbp and color commentators.

Rooney never left for money either. The St. Louis gig was his dream job and when it opened up he was gone. He grew up and always remained a Cards fan.

tebman
06-04-2014, 11:17 PM
With much on the cubs audience outside the transmitter zone , it tells me the broadcast on wbbm will be for next year only and then move to 670.

WBBM and WLS are also 50,000 watt Class A stations like WSCR and WGN, so WBBM's signal is about as good as WSCR's (WSCR has a slight signal advantage because of its lower frequency, but it's not noticeable except to techies with meters). The Cubs will still be beamed across North America at night, though whether anybody's listening to the Cubs or paying for commercials is an open question. :tongue:

The FCC has an explanatory table here (http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/am-broadcast-station-classes-clear-regional-and-local-channels) that shows what stations are on "clear" channels and what that means. Other stations that are on the same frequency are either on severely reduced power at night or are directional away from the dominant station.

I'm keen on this because I worry that big-signal AM broadcasts of baseball aren't appreciated for the completely free and accessible service that they are. If CBS has designs on sewing up baseball rights in Chicago and moving them to some other platform, we'll all end up paying a lot more for it and still have to put up with commercials.

I'm not nostalgic. I just see something that works well and want to see it continue to be used. AM is easy, it's cheap, and it's reliable. I hope after this round of shuffling baseball stays there.

Brian26
06-04-2014, 11:41 PM
Here's the problem with WMVP -- in the daytime this is its signal pattern (distances are minimums for signal levels):

http://radio-locator.com/pats/WMVP_AM_LD.gif


And this is its nighttime signal pattern:

http://radio-locator.com/pats/WMVP_AM_LN.gif


WMVP shares its frequency with KOMO in Seattle. When the sun goes down both stations point their signals away from each other to reduce interference. When WMVP's transmitter site in Downers Grove was first built in the 1930s, it was far west of Chicago's metropolitan area and covered nearly everybody in the market. Since then the population has spread way out. If you're further west than around Aurora the nighttime signal is between weak and dead.

There's no real fix. Most big AM stations are stuck with what they've got because of the cost to move the transmitter plant and the risk of interference to other stations if they actually were able to move.

WSCR and WGN don't have that problem because they officially don't share their frequencies at night with anybody. They can blast 50,000 watts in all directions like a fountain, which is why they can be received in a couple dozen states at night. We can hope the Sox stay on one or the other.

Back in the late 80s, the AM 1000 signal was switched around 6pm during the Steve & Garry show. Fans would call in from Aurora and say they couldn't hear the show after the 6 pm switch. However, when they'd replay the show overnights, the Loop would get mail and calls from people in Baltimore, New York and along the east coast who could hear the show. Amazing.

Brian26
06-04-2014, 11:43 PM
My understanding is that the Sox have input on their broadcast teams but Farmer and DJ are technically WSCR employees. It was WSCR that took a pass on bringing back John Rooney because of salary costs.

This is what Brooks Boyer claimed. He's even interviewed here on WSI stating that WSCR contracted with the announcers directly. Never made sense to me to be honest, but that was the company line in 2006.

gobears1987
06-05-2014, 12:47 AM
This is what Brooks Boyer claimed. He's even interviewed here on WSI stating that WSCR contracted with the announcers directly. Never made sense to me to be honest, but that was the company line in 2006.

I'd bet Brooks was lying through his teeth there as every team chooses their broadcast crew.

There is a reason the team websites have broadcaster profiles but the radio/tv stations do not. While they are heard on 670, Farmer and DJ do not collect a paycheck or have employment from them. The production crew and Rongey would collect their check from 670 though.

It's like this with every sport. Case in point, the Hawks firing and later rehiring of Pat Foley in the last decade.

GoSox2K3
06-05-2014, 08:59 AM
Id like the Sox to jump to wgn radio now, it has a different following than 670 and may bring in some new fans.

If being on The Score didn't bring in new fans, being on WGN won't.....unless we're counting on winning over a bunch of old people who listen to WGN to suddenly be Sox fans.

Noneck
06-05-2014, 02:42 PM
If being on The Score didn't bring in new fans, being on WGN won't.....unless we're counting on winning over a bunch of old people who listen to WGN to suddenly be Sox fans.

Maybe so but older people have more money to go to games than younger people do and arent into the bar scene at cubs park.

TDog
06-05-2014, 04:54 PM
Maybe so but older people have more money to go to games than younger people do and arent into the bar scene at cubs park.

Yes, that 60-to-death demographic is so coveted.

I'll be 57 this year, and I'm too young for WGN.

Anyway, station demographics do not determine who listens to baseball. It's baseball listenership that influences overall station democgraphics. It isn't as if the White Sox moving to WGN will reveal a previously unknown world to listeners who don't change the station.

Brian26
06-05-2014, 08:35 PM
If being on The Score didn't bring in new fans, being on WGN won't.....unless we're counting on winning over a bunch of old people who listen to WGN to suddenly be Sox fans.

In retrospect, how could being on the Score ever establish more Sox fans when more than half the shows on the station piss all over the product? The shows go out of their way to make fun of the ownership, the announcers, the players, the fans, etc. If I listened to the Score, would it seem like being a Sox fan is cool?

Conversely, WGN has ALWAYS treated the Cubs with a sort of reverance, and the same can be said of their more recent relationship with the Blackhawks. The hosts talked positively about the organizations. It was mutually respectful and beneficial.

That's why I found it comical yesterday with Bernstein spouting about the "cross-promotional opportunities and avenues" now available with CBS and the Cubs. Where were those opportunities with the Sox? Instead, you tune in to any show and listen to them playing sound bytes making fun of Hawk, you had Mike North picking fights with Ozzie in the morning, Dan MacNeil making fun of the team in the mid-day even though he's a supposed Sox fan.

It's always been, to me, a conflict of interest to have a team on a local sports station. It wasn't as much of an issue on AM 1000 because many of the shows at the time were still ESPN national shows.

I think absolutely the Sox on WGN would be an amazing, positive opportunity, mostly to get away from the meathead idiots on 670.

Brian26
06-05-2014, 08:42 PM
By the way, the article in the Trib had several quotes from Jimmy DeCastro about a possible Sox deal. He mentioned he's done business with Reinsdorf before, loves him and would be open to doing business again. DeCastro negotiated the Bulls and Sox deals on the old AM 1000 with Jerry. This looks like it's a done deal a year ahead of time.

Viva Medias B's
06-05-2014, 11:55 PM
I'm not sure I'd want the Sox on WGN. Can you imagine how ironically awkward it would be with the Sox on WGN and the Cubs on WSCR? I don't think the present day Score roasts the Sox as much as it did in the past, despite B&B. I seem to recall that a lot of that went on during the Rob Gallas era when we had the worst PR going on.

TDog
06-06-2014, 12:34 AM
In retrospect, how could being on the Score ever establish more Sox fans when more than half the shows on the station piss all over the product? The shows go out of their way to make fun of the ownership, the announcers, the players, the fans, etc. If I listened to the Score, would it seem like being a Sox fan is cool?

Conversely, WGN has ALWAYS treated the Cubs with a sort of reverance, and the same can be said of their more recent relationship with the Blackhawks. The hosts talked positively about the organizations. It was mutually respectful and beneficial.

That's why I found it comical yesterday with Bernstein spouting about the "cross-promotional opportunities and avenues" now available with CBS and the Cubs. Where were those opportunities with the Sox? Instead, you tune in to any show and listen to them playing sound bytes making fun of Hawk, you had Mike North picking fights with Ozzie in the morning, Dan MacNeil making fun of the team in the mid-day even though he's a supposed Sox fan.

It's always been, to me, a conflict of interest to have a team on a local sports station. It wasn't as much of an issue on AM 1000 because many of the shows at the time were still ESPN national shows.

I think absolutely the Sox on WGN would be an amazing, positive opportunity, mostly to get away from the meathead idiots on 670.

I always found that treating the Cubs with reverence and ripping on the White Sox was part of the culture of Chicago. When Harry Caray was a popular White Sox announcer, he ripped on the players and the ownership reguarly, and it was a big part of the reason he was popular. When he went to the Cubs, he treated the Cubs with reverence and that was a big part of the reason he was popular.

At the same time, the difference, I believe, in being on a news or a news/entertainment station as opposed to a sports talk station, is that sports talk stations thrive on ripping on people. I hear announcers on the Giants' flagship station in San Francisco ripping on the Giants, and the team has won two World Series titles since 2010 and has the best record in baseball.

If WBBM is getting into the baseball radio business while staying in the news business, that's the place to be in the city if you don't want people on your radio station ripping on you. I think the Cubs would prefer to be on WBBM than WSCR, although WGN seemed a perfect fit.

Still, I honestly don't believe things would be better for the White Sox on WGN where being anti-White Sox has been part of the corporate culture for at least half a century.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see why CBS wouldn't want to monopolize the Chicago baseball radio market by running one team on WSCR and one on WBBM. All-news radio stations are among the most compatible with baseball broadcasts. I don't know that WGN would pay more for the White Sox than CBS when CBS paid more for the Cubs than WGN.

I don't see any tangible benefit for the White Sox on WGN that don't exist on WSCR, and I really don't understand the excitement over the possibility of the White Sox being on WGN in the future.

kba
06-06-2014, 08:07 PM
I don't see any tangible benefit for the White Sox on WGN that don't exist on WSCR, and I really don't understand the excitement over the possibility of the White Sox being on WGN in the future.

I think we're past the era where a team's radio broadcasts could drive attendance. But WGN does have twice as many listeners as WSCR, and it's an audience not made up entirely of sports diehards, so maybe hearing the Sox on WGN could build up some interest among casual fans.

I'm hoping that if the Sox move to WGN, Jimmy deCastro could improve the quality of the broadcasts. When deCastro was running WMVP and they aired the Sox games (with John Rooney), they sounded a whole lot better than they do now.

DrCrawdad
06-06-2014, 10:00 PM
I won't miss having all three WGN major media outlets spouting nonstop Cubpaganda. I won't miss the regular drip of subtle and not so subtle digs on the Sox and Sox fans.

The era of Cubpaganda thru WGN newspaper, radio & TV is OVAH! That's good news for the Sox.

jfinsocal
06-06-2014, 10:24 PM
Back in the late 80s, the AM 1000 signal was switched around 6pm during the Steve & Garry show. Fans would call in from Aurora and say they couldn't hear the show after the 6 pm switch. However, when they'd replay the show overnights, the Loop would get mail and calls from people in Baltimore, New York and along the east coast who could hear the show. Amazing.

I don't know about now but in the 60s and 70s, WCFL had an
Eastern Node. You could get the last hour of Lujack's show in Pittsburgh but not Peoria.

doublem23
06-06-2014, 11:09 PM
I won't miss having all three WGN major media outlets spouting nonstop Cubpaganda. I won't miss the regular drip of subtle and not so subtle digs on the Sox and Sox fans.

Yes exactly and a strong indirect reason for the Sox to hopefully move to WGN radio if the opportunity presents itself. No, I don't think a ton of Cub fans will just turn over because the Sox are on 720 AM, but the Tribune, the most powerful and influential media outlet in town having a financial stake, even a small one, in our team would probably make quite a difference in how the teams are presented. I don't think it will have immediate dividends, but over the course of time, it could be a real coup for the Sox.

tebman
06-08-2014, 12:16 AM
I don't know about now but in the 60s and 70s, WCFL had an Eastern Node. You could get the last hour of Lujack's show in Pittsburgh but not Peoria.

WMVP (the former WCFL) still has the nighttime pattern to the east as it has since the 1930s. It was last adjusted in 1947. With 50,000 watts kicked to the east, Rockford and Peoria won't hear it, but Baltimore and Albany will. There's a nice transmitter history at this site (http://www.fybush.com/sites/2008/site-080118.html).

Johnnydogs
06-08-2014, 10:51 AM
Tribune still owns like 5% of the Cubs so the paper isn't going to change its reporting style. The bigger issue for me is I see the Cubs eventually moving to WSCR The Score instead of staying on WBBM. I don't want the number one sports station in town, and my favorite, to be completely pro Cubs. Actually, it has already started; They've been talking up the Cubs big time in recent days and even running Cubs commercials.

One important part of the deal that's getting less discussion is the promotion CBS radio plans to do for the Cubs, across all 7 of their local stations, both for games and concerts. Sox don't have that benefit in their current contract and it's something WGN radio can not offer. Prepare to be inundated in Cub-ness next season if you live in the Chicagoland area.

Also, someone mentioned possible benefits from Cubs games being dropped from WGN TV. WGN America is dropping all Chicago sports from its national feed and it won't matter for either team because we live in the MLB.tv age for out-of-market viewers. Locally, fans can see games on WGN, CSN et al. It isn't going to net followers for the Sox or take away anyone from the Cubs. All they have to do is win a few games and the bandwagon gets fired up again...

Alternatively, I hope the Sox are able to renew their contract to block the Cubs from being moved over to WSCR after 2015.

XplodingScorbord
06-08-2014, 12:43 PM
Yes exactly and a strong indirect reason for the Sox to hopefully move to WGN radio if the opportunity presents itself. No, I don't think a ton of Cub fans will just turn over because the Sox are on 720 AM, but the Tribune, the most powerful and influential media outlet in town having a financial stake, even a small one, in our team would probably make quite a difference in how the teams are presented. I don't think it will have immediate dividends, but over the course of time, it could be a real coup for the Sox.

Isn't the most likely outcome here that the Sox land on 87.7FM instead of 720AM? WGN has it's own sports station now, and I'd bet that's where DeCastro would want to put the games.

tebman
06-08-2014, 01:13 PM
Isn't the most likely outcome here that the Sox land on 87.7FM instead of 720AM? WGN has it's own sports station now, and I'd bet that's where DeCastro would want to put the games.

It won't happen on 87.7 because that's actually a low-power TV station on old Channel 6 that has to be off the air (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/dtv-transition-and-lptv-class-translator-stations)by September of 2015. WGN wants to buy a real FM station, and if they pull that off the Sox might end up there, though I hope not.

Hitmen77
06-08-2014, 03:48 PM
Tribune still owns like 5% of the Cubs so the paper isn't going to change its reporting style. The bigger issue for me is I see the Cubs eventually moving to WSCR The Score instead of staying on WBBM. I don't want the number one sports station in town, and my favorite, to be completely pro Cubs. Actually, it has already started; They've been talking up the Cubs big time in recent days and even running Cubs commercials.

One important part of the deal that's getting less discussion is the promotion CBS radio plans to do for the Cubs, across all 7 of their local stations, both for games and concerts. Sox don't have that benefit in their current contract and it's something WGN radio can not offer. Prepare to be inundated in Cub-ness next season if you live in the Chicagoland area.

Also, someone mentioned possible benefits from Cubs games being dropped from WGN TV. WGN America is dropping all Chicago sports from its national feed and it won't matter for either team because we live in the MLB.tv age for out-of-market viewers. Locally, fans can see games on WGN, CSN et al. It isn't going to net followers for the Sox or take away anyone from the Cubs. All they have to do is win a few games and the bandwagon gets fired up again...

Alternatively, I hope the Sox are able to renew their contract to block the Cubs from being moved over to WSCR after 2015.

All those Cubs lovers at XRT must be tickled pink over this part of the deal.

Johnnydogs
06-09-2014, 06:37 PM
All those Cubs lovers at XRT must be tickled pink over this part of the deal.

According to The Score, Lin Brehmer played an influential part in getting the Cubs to sign with CBS radio because of the cross promotional possibilities.

Hitmen77
06-16-2014, 08:03 PM
According to The Score, Lin Brehmer played an influential part in getting the Cubs to sign with CBS radio because of the cross promotional possibilities.

No surprise there. XRT already acts as if there is one and only one opening day to the baseball season in Chicago - and that's the one on the North Side.

DrCrawdad
06-16-2014, 10:25 PM
No surprise there. XRT already acts as if there is one and only one opening day to the baseball season in Chicago - and that's the one on the North Side.

Exactly. I've been an XRT listener for 30+ years but that the world revolves around the Cubbies attitude turns me off XRT.

Steelrod
06-17-2014, 07:58 AM
Apparently it doesn't turn you off if you've been listening all those years.

Hitmen77
09-28-2014, 07:08 PM
Today was the Cubs last game on WGN Radio, right? I'm no fan either entity, but I still find it hard to believe their partnership is over.

Could this possibly be their last game on WGN-TV, too?

WhiteSox5187
09-28-2014, 10:21 PM
Today was the Cubs last game on WGN Radio, right? I'm no fan either entity, but I still find it hard to believe their partnership is over.

Could this possibly be their last game on WGN-TV, too?

If it's their last game on WGN-TV it's because they're getting a multi-billion dollar TV deal from someone else.

I would like to see the White Sox try get on WGN Radio. I know that it doesn't mean as much today as it meant fifty years ago, but I still think it's a good idea to be on the most powerful radio station in the area.

slavko
09-28-2014, 11:45 PM
Today was the Cubs last game on WGN Radio, right? I'm no fan either entity, but I still find it hard to believe their partnership is over.

Could this possibly be their last game on WGN-TV, too?

There have been hiatuses from WGN radio at times in the past, too. It's not a solid 90 consecutive years, despite how the stories make it seem. When they won their last pennant, their only radio outlet was 5000 watt WIND. Maybe that's where they should go back to.

Hitmen77
09-29-2014, 09:50 AM
If it's their last game on WGN-TV it's because they're getting a multi-billion dollar TV deal from someone else.

I would like to see the White Sox try get on WGN Radio. I know that it doesn't mean as much today as it meant fifty years ago, but I still think it's a good idea to be on the most powerful radio station in the area.

Apparently there are no current discussions between the Cubs and other over the air stations in Chicago:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-cubs-tv-rights-0922-biz-20140922-story.html#page=2

So, I guess their options are to either return to WGN Channel 9 or leave broadcast TV altogether and go exclusively to cable. I'm not sure it is all that likely for them to drop OTA games altogether right now. Also, I don't know if the current CSN deal/partnership can accommodate carrying all Cubs telecasts.

The Cubs are obviously eyeing the end of their deal with CSN after 2019 in hopes of launching a YES-type/Dodgers-type network. A Dodgers-type multi-billion dollar deal isn't a sure thing though. It sounds like local cable/satellite providers in LA are balking at paying the price to carry that network.



There have been hiatuses from WGN radio at times in the past, too. It's not a solid 90 consecutive years, despite how the stories make it seem. When they won their last pennant, their only radio outlet was 5000 watt WIND. Maybe that's where they should go back to.

Yes, I'm aware of the gaps over the past 90 years. Nonetheless, the Cubs have been synonymous with WGN Radio (and TV) for my entire lifetime.