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Jerry_Manuel
08-09-2002, 02:28 PM
Whenever the subject of slotting salaries or a salary cap comes up, you like to say that the owners should sit in their own mess. That it's their fault that the game is in it's current shape. The Union shouldn't have to give anything back.

That's fine.

But in your columns you talk about how Bud Selig needs to do what's best for the game. Isn't a salary cap what's best for the game? Every other sport minus hockey has one, hockey will have one soon enough. The cap hasn't hurt the NFL or NBA.

I agree that the Union shouldn't have to give things up because of the owners stupidity. But the game can't go on like it has been. Either you get new owners in cities like KC, Detroit, Tampa or you fold those teams. They have no chance whatsoever at signing a big name free agent. If a salary cap was in place they might have to sign in those cities.

Spiff
08-09-2002, 02:31 PM
daver has a column?

Randar68
08-09-2002, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Spiff
daver has a column?


Not worth reading.....

"Twang.............OUCH!"

OK, OK! Read it, READ IT!

LongDistanceFan
08-09-2002, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Randar68



Not worth reading.....

"Twang.............OUCH!"

OK, OK! Read it, READ IT!


lmao, very good

Daver
08-09-2002, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
Whenever the subject of slotting salaries or a salary cap comes up, you like to say that the owners should sit in their own mess. That it's their fault that the game is in it's current shape. The Union shouldn't have to give anything back.

That's fine.

But in your columns you talk about how Bud Selig needs to do what's best for the game. Isn't a salary cap what's best for the game? Every other sport minus hockey has one, hockey will have one soon enough. The cap hasn't hurt the NFL or NBA.

I agree that the Union shouldn't have to give things up because of the owners stupidity. But the game can't go on like it has been. Either you get new owners in cities like KC, Detroit, Tampa or you fold those teams. They have no chance whatsoever at signing a big name free agent. If a salary cap was in place they might have to sign in those cities.

If they want to change the salary structure then do it the right way,by letting the owners that claim they are losing money file bankruptcy rather than having the league help them out as it has in the past,by securing lines of credit for teams.

If you have two teams file for bankruptcy,and let the courts have full access to their books,I can guarantee you that the players union would look at negotiations a bit differently.

Oh and get rid of Bud Selig too,not one player beleives a word he says,as long as that distrust exists there will not be harmony in MLB.

Kilroy
08-09-2002, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by daver


If they want to change the salary structure then do it the right way,by letting the owners that claim they are losing money file bankruptcy rather than having the league help them out as it has in the past,by securing lines of credit for teams.

Why should the owners have file bankruptcy before the owners and players can get together on an idea that down the line will strengthen their product? When some parity appears, all teams will be better off because of it. And parity won't appear as long as teams like the Yankees can spend as much money as they see fit to either have all the best players or simply to keep them from going to other teams.

Daver
08-09-2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Kilroy


Why should the owners have file bankruptcy before the owners and players can get together on an idea that down the line will strengthen their product? When some parity appears, all teams will be better off because of it. And parity won't appear as long as teams like the Yankees can spend as much money as they see fit to either have all the best players or simply to keep them from going to other teams.

I repeat,why should the MLBPA fix the problems that the owners themselves created?

MisterB
08-09-2002, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Kilroy
Why should the owners have file bankruptcy before the owners and players can get together on an idea that down the line will strengthen their product?

They don't have to let it get that far. MLB just has to make their books open and available for independent verification. The fact that they won't means there's something they're hiding.


Originally posted by daver
I repeat,why should the MLBPA fix the problems that the owners themselves created?

But there is a catch-22 in that: The owners created their own mess, but they can't act unilaterally to 'fix' it. The MLBPA can refuse anything the owners come up with, and the owners can either back down or the whole thing ends up in front of an arbitrator. The MLBPA doesn't have to fix the problem, but they can effectively make it so the problem can't get fixed. That is assuming there actually is a 'problem'...

Daver
08-09-2002, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by MisterB


They don't have to let it get that far. MLB just has to make their books open and available for independent verification. The fact that they won't means there's something they're hiding.




But there is a catch-22 in that: The owners created their own mess, but they can't act unilaterally to 'fix' it. The MLBPA can refuse anything the owners come up with, and the owners can either back down or the whole thing ends up in front of an arbitrator. The MLBPA doesn't have to fix the problem, but they can effectively make it so the problem can't get fixed. That is assuming there actually is a 'problem'...

The MLBPA has limited access to the books of every MLB team,though they are under a silence order in return for that access,do you really think they would be fighting this as hard as they are if they felt these owners are really in as bad a shape as the picture Bud is painting? I don't think they would.