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doublem23
03-25-2014, 03:42 PM
Well, this according to a 1-sentence Facebook wall post so take with a grain of salt, but at least these are your 5 guys...


Chris Sale
Felipe Paulino
Jose Quintana
Erik Johnson
John Danks


https://www.facebook.com/WhiteSox/posts/10152772654983298?stream_ref=10

spawn
03-25-2014, 03:56 PM
Per Scott Merkin and Bruce Levine, that is the order.

PaleHoser
03-25-2014, 04:47 PM
If the rotation stays this way and Danks stays healthy, this could be the year he wins 20.

fuzzy_patters
03-25-2014, 05:02 PM
If the rotation stays this way and Danks stays healthy, this could be the year he wins 20.

I'm not sure that I see your logic. Is it because you think that he will be up against other teams fifth starters? You do know that only lasts about once or twice around the rotation. Teams have different off-days and rain-outs, and some teams skip their fifth starter when they have days off.

mzh
03-25-2014, 05:10 PM
Alternating lefties and righties seems to be the name of the game here. I'd imagine Rienzo would be first in line if Paulino flames out.

ricker182
03-25-2014, 05:10 PM
Well, this according to a 1-sentence Facebook wall post so take with a grain of salt, but at least these are your 5 guys...


Chris Sale
Felipe Paulino
Jose Quintana
Erik Johnson
John Danks


https://www.facebook.com/WhiteSox/posts/10152772654983298?stream_ref=10

Oh Boy.... This is an average starting rotation that has the possibility to turn into a disaster really quickly. :dunno:

doublem23
03-25-2014, 05:14 PM
Oh Boy.... This is an average starting rotation that has the possibility to turn into a disaster really quickly. :dunno:

Team's coming off a 99-loss season, what were people expecting?

ricker182
03-25-2014, 05:21 PM
Team's coming off a 99-loss season, what were people expecting?

I'm HOPING for a ~.500 season, but I'm not optimistic. I think we are headed in the right direction, and Coop can practically work miracles with pitchers.

I guess we'll see.

PaleHoser
03-25-2014, 05:24 PM
I'm not sure that I see your logic. Is it because you think that he will be up against other teams fifth starters? You do know that only lasts about once or twice around the rotation. Teams have different off-days and rain-outs, and some teams skip their fifth starter when they have days off.

That's my logic. And I'll be the first to admit that it's flawed, but it's that time of year. :gulp:

Foulke You
03-25-2014, 05:34 PM
Oh Boy.... This is an average starting rotation that has the possibility to turn into a disaster really quickly. :dunno:
I think the rotation is better than you think. Sale is a Cy Young candidate, Quintana is above average with a nice repeatable delivery, Danks looks to have his velocity back, and young Erik Johnson showed a lot of promise last September. The big wild card in our rotation is Paulino who has great stuff with erratic control. If things go poorly, he will be gone quickly and Rienzo likely slides right into his spot. If he does well, he has the chance to be this year's poster boy for Cooper Reclamation Projects, LLC and a potential trade chip if the Sox fall out of contention.

Also, it's not like other teams in the AL don't have rotation question marks. Last year's wild card team, the Indians, are set to feature a rotation of Masterson, Kluber, McAllister, Salazar, and Tomlin. Doesn't exactly make me quake in fear. Obviously, the rotations of the powerhouses like the Tigers and Red Sox are deeper than us, but let's not pretend the White Sox are throwing out a terrible rotation. As always, it is the offense that will make this team sink or swim. The pitching has historically been competitive during the Cooper era.

Tragg
03-25-2014, 05:43 PM
Oh Boy.... This is an average starting rotation that has the possibility to turn into a disaster really quickly. :dunno:

It could.
But it also has a chance to be very promising for the future. I'm particularly intrigued with Paulino - I see a lot of Astros games (or I used to before they took them off Fox and sent them to the hinterlands somewhere), and he had no command at all with the Astros. But Coop taught him the cutter, and I like his ascension through each spring start this year. Honestly, if 3 of Johnson, Danks and Paulino turn out to be capable major league starters, it's a win and bodes well for the future.

DumpJerry
03-25-2014, 06:05 PM
Well, this according to a 1-sentence Facebook wall post so take with a grain of salt, but at least these are your 5 guys...


Chris Sale
Felipe Paulino
Jose Quintana
Erik Johnson
John Danks


https://www.facebook.com/WhiteSox/posts/10152772654983298?stream_ref=10
Here's the whole story. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-starting-rotation-20140325,0,137879.story) Nieto is the backup catcher.

balke
03-25-2014, 06:58 PM
Team's coming off a 99-loss season, what were people expecting?

From $118 million, old, and bad to $81 million, younger, and not as bad. 2015 they have $56.5 mil committed if they pick up all options.

Can't be anything but happy with where they are at compared to last year.

TheVulture
03-25-2014, 07:45 PM
Paulino #2?!? Oh man

Hmm...i guess that's just the order they are starting the season. Doesn't really make Paulino the #2 or Danks the #5 in my book. To me the #5 is the guy you skip in the order when you can. I'd hope Paulino is that guy. I was really looking for him to get bumped to long relief. Hopefully, he's just holding Reinzo's or Beck's spot while they get a couple months work in at AAA.

shingo10
03-25-2014, 09:19 PM
From $118 million, old, and bad to $81 million, younger, and not as bad. 2015 they have $56.5 mil committed if they pick up all options.

Can't be anything but happy with where they are at compared to last year.

Unfortunately, it is a little early to proclaim that we "are not as bad" as last year though I do hope you are right.

Scary rotation but sometimes things work out.

#1swisher
03-25-2014, 09:23 PM
Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN)

First 6 pitchers set to face #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash): Ricky Nolasco, Kevin Correia, Phillip Hughes, Jeremy Guthrie, Bruce Chen and James Shields.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/chris-sale-fine-tunes-white-sox-set-rotation

doublem23
03-25-2014, 09:26 PM
FWIW, here's the rotation the Sox started last year with:

1) Sale
2) Peavy
3) Floyd
4) Quintana
5) Axelrod

So yeah, this is a move in the right direction. Plus you have real SP prospects in the minors like Reinzo, Beck, Surkamp, and Bassitt, as opposed to last season when your SP depth in Charlotte included guys like Zach Stewart and Jason Berken.

hoosiersoxfan
03-25-2014, 09:36 PM
Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN)[/URL]

First 6 pitchers set to face [URL="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash"]#WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/448597344666136576): Ricky Nolasco, Kevin Correia, Phillip Hughes, Jeremy Guthrie, Bruce Chen and James Shields.

Oh no!

MtGrnwdSoxFan
03-25-2014, 09:50 PM
Oh no!

Cy Chen and Catfish Guthrie back to back.

How pathetic is it that I think the most winnable game in that Royals series will be the one Shields is starting?

russ99
03-25-2014, 10:05 PM
I think our rotation could sneak up on people.

Sale and Quintana are a pretty good 1-2.
Paulino is an inning eater.
Danks could come back stronger and Johnson should have a good year.

I'm thinking we should get something like 65 wins from them.

russ99
03-25-2014, 10:08 PM
Cy Chen and Catfish Guthrie back to back.


Wow. I'll guess we'll see how new hitting coach Todd Steverson's 'hittable pitch' philosophy ends up shaking out pretty quickly...

doublem23
03-25-2014, 10:50 PM
Wow. I'll guess we'll see how new hitting coach Todd Steverson's 'hittable pitch' philosophy ends up shaking out pretty quickly...

You're seriously not suggesting people draw conclusions after 5 games, are you

delben91
03-25-2014, 10:53 PM
You're seriously not suggesting people draw conclusions after 5 games, are you

Seriously! Why wait 5 games? I'm going to draw conclusions after the first turn through the batting order.

KyWhiSoxFan
03-25-2014, 11:29 PM
Seriously! Why wait 5 games? I'm going to draw conclusions after the first turn through the batting order.

Why wait that long? I'm making my decision after the first pitch opening day.

LoveYourSuit
03-25-2014, 11:50 PM
Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN)

First 6 pitchers set to face #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash): Ricky Nolasco, Kevin Correia, Phillip Hughes, Jeremy Guthrie, Bruce Chen and James Shields.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/chris-sale-fine-tunes-white-sox-set-rotation

With Sale pitching against Nolasco and Shields, there is not a game we can't win from the first 6.

JB98
03-26-2014, 12:20 AM
Paulino #2?!? Oh man

Hmm...i guess that's just the order they are starting the season. Doesn't really make Paulino the #2 or Danks the #5 in my book. To me the #5 is the guy you skip in the order when you can. I'd hope Paulino is that guy. I was really looking for him to get bumped to long relief. Hopefully, he's just holding Reinzo's or Beck's spot while they get a couple months work in at AAA.

Well, I would say Quintana is clearly the No. 2 starter. They are just ordering them this way for whatever purpose, matchups or what have you.

I really doubt they are going to skip anybody. I think all five guys will take their turn.

russ99
03-26-2014, 02:19 PM
You're seriously not suggesting people draw conclusions after 5 games, are you

Nope, but if we're ever gonna lay off unhittable pitches, it would be nice if we do so vs. the Royals' junkballers.

Foulke You
03-26-2014, 02:50 PM
Cy Chen and Catfish Guthrie back to back.

How pathetic is it that I think the most winnable game in that Royals series will be the one Shields is starting?
It's remarkable how we never miss facing both of those guys. I feel like they each get 10 starts each against the Sox during a typical season.:tongue: On the plus side, the Sox lineup has a lot of new faces like Eaton, Garcia, Abreu, and possibly Semien that *perhaps* won't be as dazzled by these two "greats".

doublem23
03-26-2014, 03:00 PM
It's remarkable how we never miss facing both of those guys. I feel like they each get 10 starts each against the Sox during a typical season.:tongue: On the plus side, the Sox lineup has a lot of new faces like Eaton, Garcia, Abreu, and possibly Semien that *perhaps* won't be as dazzled by these two "greats".

You joke but Chen actually has made 15 starts against the Sox since joining Kansas City in 2009. 15 of his 106 starts with KC have been against us... That's nearly 15%.

#1swisher
03-26-2014, 03:08 PM
Colleen Kane ‏@ChiTribKane (https://twitter.com/ChiTribKane) 2m (https://twitter.com/ChiTribKane/status/448898472637247488)

Javy Guerra pickup changes Sox bullpen situation. Ventura said they will iron it out today. Has idea who closer is but won't announce yet.

#1swisher
03-27-2014, 11:42 AM
“We purposely try to add guys who have the stuff to pitch late in the games in key situations and also ideally have the mentality to handle, to get the most important outs,” Hahn said. “How they ultimately get deployed, that's up to Robin and Coop. But I'm not too focused on any specific announcements of anyone.”


Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN) 35m (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/449200548445556736)
#WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash) said they weren't going to name a closer and have kept to it. I'm guessing Nate Jones. Who you have? http://bit.ly/1gtVeV1 (http://t.co/RhqHW556dr)

#1swisher
03-28-2014, 01:43 PM
Colleen Kane ‏ (https://twitter.com/ChiTribKane)
Javy Guerra pickup changes Sox bullpen situation. Ventura said they will iron it out today. Has idea who closer is but won't announce yet.

Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox) 8m (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox/status/449601191102906368) White Sox option reliever Guerra to AAA Charlotte. Was claimed from the Dodgers on Wed.

TaylorStSox
03-28-2014, 02:43 PM
I'm encouraged by Danks. His stuff looked really good when I saw him this spring.

russ99
03-28-2014, 03:00 PM
I think Scott Downs will eventually be the closer, but Jones will get it to start the season.

TheVulture
03-28-2014, 04:39 PM
So what's the roster down to now? I see the active roster at MLB.com, but are there still NRI in camp?