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Fastball23
02-26-2014, 08:08 AM
http://nypost.com/2014/02/25/yanks-can-use-surplus-of-catcher-to-address-other-needs/

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I hope its for Sanchez..

jamokes
02-26-2014, 09:21 AM
Beckham to ANYONE for a bag of baseballs would improve our team.

cws05champ
02-26-2014, 09:39 AM
Beckham to ANYONE for a bag of baseballs would improve our team.
Hyperbole much??? :scratch:

Noneck
02-26-2014, 09:49 AM
Keppinger is mentioned also. He would command less from yanks, frees up more money than beckham and would open up 3rd for Davidson. I see DeAza and or Keppinger being dealt, the Sox arent going to want bench players making money on this club.

Chez
02-26-2014, 10:22 AM
Keppinger is mentioned also. He would command less from yanks, frees up more money than beckham and would open up 3rd for Davidson. I see DeAza and or Keppinger being dealt, the Sox arent going to want bench players making money on this club.

I hope I'm wrong, but I really don't see much hope of moving either Keppinger or De Aza. I'd love for the Sox to be able to unload either or both.

Fastball23
02-26-2014, 10:36 AM
I'd like to see Beckham traded to the Yanks for Pineda and Murphy. I am hoping Semien is our new 2nd baseman.

MeteorsSox4367
02-26-2014, 10:52 AM
Didn't the Yankees sign Brian Roberts to play second? I thought I saw something on TV that he is expected to be their everyday guy at 2B.

XplodingScorbord
02-26-2014, 10:57 AM
Can anyone give a thumbnail on these four Yankee catchers for those of us less in the know? Who's the best defender? Who's the best hitter? Any of them do both well?

doublem23
02-26-2014, 11:05 AM
Didn't the Yankees sign Brian Roberts to play second? I thought I saw something on TV that he is expected to be their everyday guy at 2B.

They did, but Roberts has only played a total of 192 games the past 4 seasons so I would assume they are anticipating he will not be available for a large chunk of the upcoming season.

MeteorsSox4367
02-26-2014, 11:33 AM
They did, but Roberts has only played a total of 192 games the past 4 seasons so I would assume they are anticipating he will not be available for a large chunk of the upcoming season.

Yeah. An average of 48 games a season doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in his dependability.

Brian26
02-26-2014, 12:09 PM
They did, but Roberts has only played a total of 192 games the past 4 seasons so I would assume they are anticipating he will not be available for a large chunk of the upcoming season.

Can you do us a favor and shut down that GIF in your sig before the Yankees change their minds? :D:

Tragg
02-26-2014, 01:44 PM
They don't have any catchers in the minors worth Beckham. That's selling low. Beckham showed some improvement, too.
We also don't have a 2B on the roster that's ready. The young guys need more time in the minors, and Keppinger would deteriorate our defense.

Keppinger for a catcher? Sure.

Foulke You
02-26-2014, 02:14 PM
They don't have any catchers in the minors worth Beckham. That's selling low. Beckham showed some improvement, too.
We also don't have a 2B on the roster that's ready. The young guys need more time in the minors, and Keppinger would deteriorate our defense.

Keppinger for a catcher? Sure.
This is how I feel as well. Keppinger is the guy you want to move. He simply doesn't have a place on this team anymore and is blocking the younger Matt Davidson or even Conor Gillaspie from playing time. A 33 year old veteran "super utility" who is on the decline and has two years remaining on his contract is definitely the one you want to move. Perhaps Keppinger's infield versatility would interest the Yanks and his contract is a drop in the bucket for them. I'd rather keep the 27 year old Beckham and hope he rebounds now that he is healthy rather than trade him for the Yankees 3rd best catcher.

Chez
02-26-2014, 03:11 PM
Can you do us a favor and shut down that GIF in your sig before the Yankees change their minds? :D:


:)

Excellent!

LoveYourSuit
02-26-2014, 04:44 PM
They don't have any catchers in the minors worth Beckham. That's selling low. Beckham showed some improvement, too.
We also don't have a 2B on the roster that's ready. The young guys need more time in the minors, and Keppinger would deteriorate our defense.

Keppinger for a catcher? Sure.

How is it selling low on Beckham when he's already given you a 5 year sample size of bad along with clocking on arbitration years?

It's get what you can for him at this point.

Bobby Thigpen
02-26-2014, 04:49 PM
Maybe I'm just too out of the loop, but what is the alternative to Beckham playing second?

Opening a gaping hole at one position to shore up another really doesn't solve any problems. For as underwhelming as Beckham has been, I don't really recall the Sox having any ready alternatives.

doublem23
02-26-2014, 04:49 PM
They don't have any catchers in the minors worth Beckham. That's selling low. Beckham showed some improvement, too.
We also don't have a 2B on the roster that's ready. The young guys need more time in the minors, and Keppinger would deteriorate our defense.

Keppinger for a catcher? Sure.

Uh, they have a Top 100 prospect catcher who is easily more valuable than Beckham, not to mention a guy who had a very good year in AA and AAA and another guy whose proven to be a decent player at the MLB level when he's given the opportunity. In all likelihood, they have at least 3 catchers more valuable than Beckham.

Beckham is not a prospect any more. He's entering his late 20s and hasn't had a decent season since 2009. People need to accept what he is, a decent field, ****ty hitting, middle infielder who makes $4 million.

kittle42
02-26-2014, 04:50 PM
Maybe I'm just too out of the loop, but what is the alternative to Beckham playing second?

Opening a gaping hole at one position to shore up another really doesn't solve any problems. For as underwhelming as Beckham has been, I don't really recall the Sox having any ready alternatives.

Sure, but it doesn't really matter for this season, anyway. A body there is enough. Keppinger would be enough.

doublem23
02-26-2014, 04:57 PM
Maybe I'm just too out of the loop, but what is the alternative to Beckham playing second?

Marcus Semien is a Top 100 BA prospect and has had a very successful minor league career. Carlos Sanchez was one of the organization's top prospects prior to last year; he had a down year in AAA but that was an aggressive placement given his age. Micah Johnson is probably a year or two away, but had a fantastic 2013 season. Sanchez and Johnson definitely project to be 2B, Semien probably does.

Semien is the most MLB ready of the bunch but it is probably prudent to wait at least a few months to let him work in AAA. But the bottom line is that this is still a team that's probably going to lose 85-95 games this year, so the idea of creating a "gaping" hole isn't such a disaster. And frankly, the Sox have a gaping hole at C and currently have absolutely no means to fill it internally, whereas they have a hole at 2B but have a few intriguing guys who may be ready by 2015 or 2016. It's obvious that Beckham is now simply a placeholder for 2B, he's not part of the long-term plan any more. So if you can get someone you think can be a long-term solution behind the plate for him, I can't see why you wouldn't pull the trigger.

Just pray that Beckham starts hot, Roberts gets hurt, and maybe another big spender like the Red Sox or Dodgers realizes they need a 2B, too, and we can get someone to overpay for him.

tstrike2000
02-26-2014, 05:17 PM
Can you do us a favor and shut down that GIF in your sig before the Yankees change their minds? :D:

On the other hand, keeping the sig up might convince to NY Jets to try him out at safety.

doublem23
02-26-2014, 09:13 PM
Hahn downplayed the rumors today in AZ....

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/rick-hahn-downplays-recent-white-sox-yankees-trade-rumors

Tragg
02-27-2014, 12:13 AM
Uh, they have a Top 100 prospect catcher who is easily more valuable than Beckham, not to mention a guy who had a very good year in AA and AAA and another guy whose proven to be a decent player at the MLB level when he's given the opportunity. In all likelihood, they have at least 3 catchers more valuable than Beckham.

Beckham is not a prospect any more. He's entering his late 20s and hasn't had a decent season since 2009. People need to accept what he is, a decent field, ****ty hitting, middle infielder who makes $4 million.
He's a good fielder, who hasn't hit well but showed improvement last year.
Okay, they have Murphy and Sanchez but those guys aren't coming here for Beckham. Maybe if they get desperate and we hold out we could get Murphy, but I don't see it as realistic.
No on Cervelli, whom I assume is who we're talking about.
I think they have another guy down there who profiles as a backup as well. We have backups.
I do like each of our 3 Middle Infield prospects, but i think they need more time.

TaylorStSox
02-27-2014, 08:25 AM
He's a good fielder, who hasn't hit well but showed improvement last year.
Okay, they have Murphy and Sanchez but those guys aren't coming here for Beckham. Maybe if they get desperate and we hold out we could get Murphy, but I don't see it as realistic.
No on Cervelli, whom I assume is who we're talking about.
I think they have another guy down there who profiles as a backup as well. We have backups.
I do like each of our 3 Middle Infield prospects, but i think they need more time.

Beckham really didn't show much improvement last year and his home runs were way down.

TomBradley72
02-27-2014, 10:59 AM
I still think Beckham might pull it together finally in 2014- if he can stay healthy- but for the Sox longer term rebuilding- we have several options in the farm system (Sanchez, Semian, Micah J.)- so as others have said- the priority this year is maximizing his trade value to see if we can use him to plug the holes where we have nothing in the system (i.e. catcher or pitching...always need more pitching).

Irishsox1
02-27-2014, 11:41 AM
If there was a time to trade Beckham, it was before last season. Unless the Sox have totally given up on the guy and they have someone they can plug in at second base for this year, I don't see him being traded.

Catcher is a bigger problem and fixing that but creating a new problem at second doesn't make sense.

What the Sox need is some team to cut a decent veteran catcher so we don't have to see the Flowers/Flegley suck fest.

TomBradley72
02-27-2014, 12:39 PM
While not completing writing off 2014- the real goal is 2015- Beckham is on a one year agreement with several prospects projected to be ready by 2015- the one gaping hole we have in the org is catcher- no real talent at any level- if you can use him to bring a catcher that can fill the role for the next few years- you absolutely do it.

The one veteran I can see them staying with is Ramirez at SS- keep him for a few more years until (hopefully) Tim Anderson is ready-

TaylorStSox
02-27-2014, 02:12 PM
I'd rather have L Garcia in AAA getting AB's everyday. If he can hit at all, he can be your SS of the future. He has insane range and a cannon. He can steal bases. He's just really dynamic.

If you're into defense, the Sox have 2 wizards in Garcia and Rondon. I've never seen Rondon, but the talk in the lower levels is that he might be the best fielding SS a lot of coaches have ever seen. The problem is that neither can hit a lick.

cards press box
03-12-2014, 11:34 AM
What the Sox need is some team to cut a decent veteran catcher so we don't have to see the Flowers/Flegley suck fest.

It sounds as though the Sox and Arizona are both looking at a possible deal for Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli.

http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2014/03/white_sox_diamondbacks_want_yankees_francisco_cerv elli.html

doublem23
03-12-2014, 12:11 PM
It sounds as though the Sox and Arizona are both looking at a possible deal for Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli.

http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2014/03/white_sox_diamondbacks_want_yankees_francisco_cerv elli.html

I would hope if the Sox get a C from NYY it would be someone with a little more future ahead of him than the 28-year-old Cervelli but... It would also highly depend on what the return was.

cards press box
03-12-2014, 06:24 PM
I would hope if the Sox get a C from NYY it would be someone with a little more future ahead of him than the 28-year-old Cervelli but... It would also highly depend on what the return was.

That is exactly right. John Ryan Murphy (the Yanks called him J.R. Murphy last year but apparently he has always gone by the entire name) and certainly Gary Sanchez have more upside but they would cost more in terms of talent.

What could the Yankees realistically get for Cervelli in terms of infield help? Probably Jeff Keppinger. I do think that a Cervelli/Keppinger swap is fair and probably helps both clubs.

Chez
03-13-2014, 08:48 AM
What could the Yankees realistically get for Cervelli in terms of infield help? Probably Jeff Keppinger. I do think that a Cervelli/Keppinger swap is fair and probably helps both clubs.

I would make that trade in a heartbeat -- except Keppinger still can't throw and is likely going to start the season on the DL. If they have any interest, I'm sure NYY will wait to see if Keppinger's shoulder heals.

Mohoney
03-13-2014, 03:57 PM
I would make that trade in a heartbeat -- except Keppinger still can't throw and is likely going to start the season on the DL. If they have any interest, I'm sure NYY will wait to see if Keppinger's shoulder heals.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat, too. The only problem is that I don't think Brian Cashman would. The White Sox would probably have to pay at least half that contract to move Keppinger, especially to a team that is over the luxury tax cap already. Jeff Keppinger would cost the Yankees $4.95 million this year ($4 million salary - Cervelli's $700K salary + $1.65 million tax penalty on the $3.3 million difference) and $6.5 million next year ($4.5 million salary + $2 million tax penalty) if the White Sox provide no financial relief. I don't see any way Cashman signs up for that unless the Yankees suffer a season-ending injury to someone in Spring Training. Even in that situation, I would only see Keppinger as an extreme last resort for them.

TheVulture
03-13-2014, 08:08 PM
The White Sox would probably have to pay at least half that contract to move Keppinger, especially to a team that is over the luxury tax cap already.

With the payroll flexibility the Sox have, I wouldn't think that would be much of a problem. If I could get a roster worthy catcher for Keppinger, I'd gladly pay his contract if I were the Sox.