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roylestillman
12-10-2013, 11:46 AM
Kenny Williams was just on MLB Network saying that the White Sox are working on something "exciting" for White Sox fans. When Rosenthal responded by saying that he would wait for the "big" announcement, Kenny said that he didn't say big he said exciting.... What?

DVsoxfan
12-10-2013, 11:51 AM
keithlaw ‏@keithlaw 8m
Hearing Skaggs-Trumbo discussion now includes White Sox possibly getting Adam Eaton, sending Hector Santiago to Angels

Tragg
12-10-2013, 11:51 AM
It seemed to me that they were just bantering around.

cws05champ
12-10-2013, 11:53 AM
Just said there is a possible 3 team deal with Santiago to the Angels and Adam Eaton to the Sox.

rdivaldi
12-10-2013, 12:04 PM
Just said there is a possible 3 team deal with Santiago to the Angels and Adam Eaton to the Sox.

Two late round draft steals being swapped. I'd call that more risky than exciting...

gr8mexico
12-10-2013, 12:07 PM
Here's the scouting report on Adam Eaton
http://baseballprospectnation.com/2012/08/13/scouting-report-adam-eaton-of/

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 12:07 PM
I'm huge fan of Adam Eaton. This will be a great move.

russ99
12-10-2013, 12:12 PM
I'm huge fan of Adam Eaton. This will be a great move.

Eaton would be a nice pickup, and the kind of contact bat we need, but I'd expect someone with higher upside if we're trading away Santiago.

Maybe if we get another good prospect it would be worth our while.

35th and Shields
12-10-2013, 12:15 PM
Santiago for a 4th outfielder seems a bit lopsided to me. I hope there is more involved.

slavko
12-10-2013, 12:15 PM
His vitae read as grindy.

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 12:16 PM
Eaton would be a nice pickup, and the kind of contact bat we need, but I'd expect someone with higher upside if we're trading away Santiago.

Maybe if we get another good prospect it would be worth our while.

Eaton is going to be a tremendous CF. I hate to lose Hector Santiago though

LoveYourSuit
12-10-2013, 12:17 PM
Eaton would be a nice pickup, and the kind of contact bat we need, but I'd expect someone with higher upside if we're trading away Santiago.

Maybe if we get another good prospect it would be worth our while.

I agree.

Santiago is inexpensive and IMO worth more than this.

VMSNS
12-10-2013, 12:17 PM
I assume he's referring to a possible Uribe signing.

Thome25
12-10-2013, 12:23 PM
I assume he's referring to a possible Uribe signing.

According to Scott Merkin the Sox aren't in on Uribe. He quote "doesn't fit what they're trying to do".

rdivaldi
12-10-2013, 12:26 PM
Santiago for a 4th outfielder seems a bit lopsided to me. I hope there is more involved.

Eaton is not a 4th outfielder, most scouts peg him as a CF, although his defense is seen as fringy. He's best suited in the corners. I do agree though that Santiago for Eaton seems a bit light for the Sox.

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 12:26 PM
Another Sox rumor

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino23m (https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/410454401212375041)
Was told to keep an eye on the White Sox re: John Buck. Buddy Bell, No. 3 in BB Ops for CWS, managed Buck parts of 3 yrs with #Royals (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Royals&src=hash)

Bill Shaikin ‏@BillShaikin 31m (https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/410453917093224448)
#Angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Angels&src=hash) tried to get Hector Santiago from CWS for Kendrick; no go.

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 12:28 PM
If this trade does go down, who will be our top LR out of the pen?

Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN2m (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/410460897883467776)
Also was told at this point there are a bunch of contingencies, moving parts in the talks.


Bernie Pleskoff ‏@BerniePleskoff 1m (https://twitter.com/BerniePleskoff/status/410462850537107456)
Update: IF the deal goes down, #Dbacks (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Dbacks&src=hash) would also get 2 prospects. Don't know from which organization, #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash) or #Angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Angels&src=hash). Trumbo plus 2.

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 01:07 PM
Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine3m (https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/410469648376029185)
White Sox working on getting center fielder Adam Eaton from AZ. Will have to part with left hand starter (Quintana or Santiago ) talks fluid

Nick Piecoro ‏@nickpiecoro17s (https://twitter.com/nickpiecoro/status/410470964846010368)
As @SteveGilbertMLB (https://twitter.com/SteveGilbertMLB) said, Dbacks would get two prospects in this proposed trade. I'm told one from Angels, one from White Sox.

Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 50s (https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/410471681220546560)
Proposed deal would include Trumbo + 2 prospects to #DBacks (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23DBacks&src=hash), Skaggs + Santiago to #Angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Angels&src=hash), Kendrick + Eaton to #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash). Not done.

ChicagoG19
12-10-2013, 01:07 PM
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-thrown-mix-three-team-trade-talks

thomas35forever
12-10-2013, 01:18 PM
Would be nice to see a good haul here, or at least a promising youngster like Garcia or Abreu.

russ99
12-10-2013, 01:18 PM
Wow, if we can get both Kendrick and Eaton, that would be a fantastic move.

That would go a long way getting some better contact hitters in the order.

Then the question would beg - what happens to Beckham and either De Aza or Viciedo.

Tragg
12-10-2013, 01:22 PM
Wow, if we can get both Kendrick and Eaton, that would be a fantastic move.

That would go a long way getting some better contact hitters in the order.

Then the question would beg - what happens to Beckham and either De Aza or Viciedo.

No way we're getting Kenrick and Eaton for Santiago. It's either Quintana or Santiago plus prospects (which I hope doesn't happen). Ideally, it's Santiago and we send De Aza or someone.

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 01:23 PM
Alden Gonzalez ‏@Alden_Gonzalez 36s (https://twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/410474368817315840)
Three-team deal "not imminent" but "getting pretty close," source says. Howie Kendrick NOT involved in it.

Over By There
12-10-2013, 01:39 PM
Here's the scouting report on Adam Eaton
http://baseballprospectnation.com/2012/08/13/scouting-report-adam-eaton-of/

From that scouting report (mods I hope pasting this quote is okay, if not please delete):

Edit: after re-reading the rules, not sure if I can block quote from that site. So, in summary, it says: not the best defender, suspect routes, but max-energy and grinder so he can get the job done.

Anyone else having deja vu? :redneck

LoveYourSuit
12-10-2013, 01:49 PM
Howie Kendrick is exactly what we desparately need and we said no straight up for Santiago?

I hope that's just a rumor, I will be pissed if true.

kobo
12-10-2013, 01:55 PM
Howie Kendrick is exactly what we desparately need and we said no straight up for Santiago?

I hope that's just a rumor, I will be pissed if true.
Kendrick will be 30 next year, is owed over $9 million next year and in 2015, and plays 2B. How is he what the Sox desperately need? They need someone like Eaton, who is young, plays a position the Sox are weak at, and can be controlled for a few more years more than they need Kendrick.

JB98
12-10-2013, 01:57 PM
Howie Kendrick is exactly what we desparately need and we said no straight up for Santiago?

I hope that's just a rumor, I will be pissed if true.

If he was four years younger, I'd agree. But he's 30 and has two years left on a contract that pays him upwards of $9 million per. I think the Sox are shopping for position players who can provide solutions over the next four or five seasons, as opposed to highly paid veteran stopgaps who won't be on the team three years now when -- hopefully -- the Sox are ready to contend again.

LoveYourSuit
12-10-2013, 02:09 PM
If he was four years younger, I'd agree. But he's 30 and has two years left on a contract that pays him upwards of $9 million per. I think the Sox are shopping for position players who can provide solutions over the next four or five seasons, as opposed to highly paid veteran stopgaps who won't be on the team three years now when -- hopefully -- the Sox are ready to contend again.

I guess I'm just blinded by never wanting to see Beckham in a Sox uniform.

I think IF Is a bigger need for us over OF righr now.

Also, my thought process is more about competing now as opposed to the future.

SBSoxFan
12-10-2013, 02:11 PM
From that scouting report (mods I hope pasting this quote is okay, if not please delete):

Edit: after re-reading the rules, not sure if I can block quote from that site. So, in summary, it says: not the best defender, suspect routes, but max-energy and grinder so he can get the job done.

Anyone else having deja vu? :redneck

http://www.philliedelphia.com/.a/6a01348829760c970c0153914706e9970b-pi

"Huh?"

JohnTucker0814
12-10-2013, 02:33 PM
MLB Trade Rumors says Hank Conger has been discussed. It'd be nice to get Conger/Eaton.

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 02:49 PM
https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/on-verge-of-trade-white-sox

Robin Ventura talks about Santiago and other Sox news

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 02:51 PM
Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine 13s (https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/410496807220047873)
Eaton will change White Sox dynamic on offense and defense . More than One scout called him a Dykstra like dirty uniform guy.

Tragg
12-10-2013, 02:52 PM
Phil Rogers about 4 hours late to the party.

lizard6king6
12-10-2013, 03:02 PM
Come on Eaton, lets make it official!!!

Fastball23
12-10-2013, 03:06 PM
Alden Gonzalez ‏@Alden_Gonzalez48s (https://twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/410500394230366208)
Confirming @BillShaikin (https://twitter.com/BillShaikin) report: #Angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Angels&src=hash) sending PTBNL to #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash). @SteveGilbert (https://twitter.com/stevegilbert) says it's done.

Wayne Randazzo ‏@WayneRandazzo 57s (https://twitter.com/WayneRandazzo/status/410501164740800512)
Wrote earlier that Hahn nails this deal if he gets Eaton for Santiago. Eaton plays terrific CF, strong arm, high OBP, great speed.

soltrain21
12-10-2013, 03:11 PM
Pfft. Wayne Randazzo.

blandman
12-10-2013, 03:12 PM
Holy Crap. Eaton for Santiago? Are we sending the rest of our farm system to?

Hahn is on a roll.

russ99
12-10-2013, 03:13 PM
Holy Crap. Eaton for Santiago? Are we sending the rest of our farm system to?

Hahn is on a roll.

Looks like this is going through.

I hope we get a little more than just Eaton.

blandman
12-10-2013, 03:15 PM
Looks like this is going through.

I hope we get a little more than just Eaton.

Um...probably not much? I mean, Eaton's gonna be a better than average regular on his low end. Anyone else would probably be a throw in. I'd half expect it to be us throwing something in.

beasly213
12-10-2013, 03:16 PM
Pfft. Wayne Randazzo.

He's worked in Minor League baseball for a while so he probably is familiar with the kind of player Eaton is.

soltrain21
12-10-2013, 03:18 PM
He's worked in Minor League baseball for a while so he probably is familiar with the kind of player Eaton is.

I'm kidding. I went to college with him. Even got him a job after college briefly.

cws05champ
12-10-2013, 03:21 PM
Alejandro DeAza.....your table is ready.

russ99
12-10-2013, 03:30 PM
Alejandro DeAza.....your table is ready.

De Aza: $2.075M .264/.323/.405 17 homers, 20 steals, 147K in 675PA

Viciedo: $2.8M .265/.304/.426 14 homers, 0 steals, 98K in 473PA,

Who's table is ready?

DeadMoney
12-10-2013, 03:35 PM
De Aza: $2.075M .264/.323/.405 17 homers, 20 steals, 147K in 675PA

Viciedo: $2.8M .265/.304/.426 14 homers, 0 steals, 98K in 473PA,

Who's table is ready?

Yeah, if De Aza is our LF and our 8 or 9 hitter (or 4th OF) next year, I wouldn't be too upset. I'd still probably be slightly upset many times during next season because of how baseball dumb and frustrating he is, but I think Viciedo might have some more value in a trade, while being less valuable on our specific roster.

doublem23
12-10-2013, 03:40 PM
Looks like this is going through.

I hope we get a little more than just Eaton.

Looks like we're getting a PTBNL from LAA, on top of it all.

Nice move.

gosox41
12-10-2013, 04:35 PM
De Aza: $2.075M .264/.323/.405 17 homers, 20 steals, 147K in 675PA

Viciedo: $2.8M .265/.304/.426 14 homers, 0 steals, 98K in 473PA,

Who's table is ready?

Maybe Dunn can be traded and Viciedo can DH.


Bob

RCWHITESOX
12-10-2013, 04:36 PM
Yeah, if De Aza is our LF and our 8 or 9 hitter (or 4th OF) next year, I wouldn't be too upset. I'd still probably be slightly upset many times during next season because of how baseball dumb and frustrating he is, but I think Viciedo might have some more value in a trade, while being less valuable on our specific roster.

Are you forgetting that DeAza has poor baseball fundamentals. One of the poorest base runners in baseball.

blandman
12-10-2013, 04:49 PM
De Aza: $2.075M .264/.323/.405 17 homers, 20 steals, 147K in 675PA

Viciedo: $2.8M .265/.304/.426 14 homers, 0 steals, 98K in 473PA,

Who's table is ready?

Both? I mean, there's plenty of outfielders on the trade and free agent market that could outperform the two of them.

They actually could make a productive platoon team, however.

blandman
12-10-2013, 04:49 PM
Are you forgetting that DeAza has poor baseball fundamentals. One of the poorest base runners in baseball.

You could switch that out for Viciedo and the statement would still be true.

ChiSoxGal85
12-10-2013, 04:50 PM
I don't know much about Adam Easton, but if he's what "they" say, I'll enjoy watching some grinder baseball.

DeadMoney
12-10-2013, 05:01 PM
Are you forgetting that DeAza has poor baseball fundamentals. One of the poorest base runners in baseball.

No. I believe I even said "I'd still probably be slightly upset many times during next season because of how baseball dumb and frustrating he is..." But as everything stands at this very moment, I still think he's our best option in LF. You could do worse... Heck, you could do worse on this roster alone (Viciedo/Dunn).

thomas35forever
12-10-2013, 09:16 PM
Giants are interested in De Aza.
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/report-giants-interested-white-sox-cf-de-aza

cards press box
12-10-2013, 10:25 PM
I wonder if the Giants would deal catcher Hector Sanchez for DeAza. If so, would that be a good deal for the Sox?

Tragg
12-10-2013, 11:16 PM
I wonder if the Giants would deal catcher Hector Sanchez for DeAza. If so, would that be a good deal for the Sox?

Not in my opinion.
Would prefer Susac and wait. Sanchez just looks like the typical backup who can't hit and isn't great defensively either.

WhiteSox5187
12-10-2013, 11:57 PM
Not in my opinion.
Would prefer Susac and wait. Sanchez just looks like the typical backup who can't hit and isn't great defensively either.

He'd fit right in!

gr8mexico
12-11-2013, 12:40 AM
Bruce Levine (@MLBBruceLevine) tweeted at 8:28pm - 10 Dec 13:

White Sox determined to get catcher at these meetings . (https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/410597045582692352)

TDog
12-11-2013, 01:11 AM
Not in my opinion.
Would prefer Susac and wait. Sanchez just looks like the typical backup who can't hit and isn't great defensively either.

The Giants believe (at least they did at one time) that Sanchez will hit, which is what brought him to the majors. He made the team out of spring training in 2013 because of his bat, but ended up not being sharp either offensively or defensively in limited playing time, pinch-hitting about as often as he caught.

Sanchez has had some brutal moments behind the plate. In July 2012, in a game against the Astros, with a runner on second and two outs, he butchered a third strike that would have ended the game. I can't recall if it was ruled a wild pitch or a passed ball, but the tying run scored on his throwing error after what should have been a game-ending strike out.

The sort of players White Sox fans would want to pick up in a deal, aren't the sort of players the Giants are going to deal because they are looking to improve their offense.

Thome25
12-11-2013, 07:47 AM
De Aza: $2.075M .264/.323/.405 17 homers, 20 steals, 147K in 675PA

Viciedo: $2.8M .265/.304/.426 14 homers, 0 steals, 98K in 473PA,

Who's table is ready?

I said this in another thread and I'll say it here too. I believe that Viciedo's Cuban heritage will play a factor when the Sox decide whether to keep him or De Aza.

I think that they'll keep their "Cuban Connection" (Alexei, Viciedo, Abreu) intact for this coming season in order to help ease Abreu 's transition to the big leagues.

soltrain21
12-11-2013, 09:05 AM
I said this in another thread and I'll say it here too. I believe that Viciedo's Cuban heritage will play a factor when the Sox decide whether to keep him or De Aza.

I think that they'll keep their "Cuban Connection" (Alexei, Viciedo, Abreu) intact for this coming season in order to help ease Abreu 's transition to the big leagues.

They could not like each other. Just because they are from the same place should mean little.

rdivaldi
12-11-2013, 10:31 AM
Just because they are from the same place should mean little.

A young kid moving to a big city would think differently I would think.

#1swisher
12-11-2013, 11:07 AM
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale (https://twitter.com/BNightengale) 12m (https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/410799531333529600)

One GM says he was told in talks that Shin-Soo Choo would cost $140 million over 7 years.

blandman
12-11-2013, 11:43 AM
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale (https://twitter.com/BNightengale) 12m (https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/410799531333529600)

One GM says he was told in talks that Shin-Soo Choo would cost $140 million over 7 years.

Wow. Before this off-season I had a hard time thinking he would get $60 million over 4 years. This is getting insane.

34 Inch Stick
12-11-2013, 02:01 PM
Are you forgetting that DeAza has poor baseball fundamentals. One of the poorest base runners in baseball.

I wonder if relieving De Aza of the burdens of leading off and playing CF will help him focus a little more on other parts of the game.

doublem23
12-11-2013, 02:28 PM
I wonder if relieving De Aza of the burdens of leading off and playing CF will help him focus a little more on other parts of the game.

Or not playing everyday, I've felt that De Aza would make a nice 4th OF, good defensive flexibility, little bit of pop... Seems like his injury risk/mental lapses may be helped with getting a little extra rest built into his schedule.

JohnTucker0814
12-11-2013, 03:33 PM
All hypothetical here...

But any chance we could pry Zunino from Seattle? Maybe a package of Viciedo and prospects? They have another top C prospect in Marlette, heck I'd take Marlette as well!

Foulke You
12-11-2013, 04:39 PM
Or not playing everyday, I've felt that De Aza would make a nice 4th OF, good defensive flexibility, little bit of pop... Seems like his injury risk/mental lapses may be helped with getting a little extra rest built into his schedule.
In a Sun Times article hinting at a De Aza/Tank platoon. Rick Hahn had some comments about Tank that were very similar to what you were saying about De Aza:

“To get the most out of his production right now, picking certain matchups might help him and get him back on track to being the player we think he’s capable of being’’

Here is a link to the source article: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/24296567-574/white-sox-add-adam-eaton-in-three-way-trade.html

hoosiersoxfan
12-11-2013, 04:59 PM
In a Sun Times article hinting at a De Aza/Tank platoon. Rick Hahn had some comments about Tank that were very similar to what you were saying about De Aza:

“To get the most out of his production right now, picking certain matchups might help him and get him back on track to being the player we think he’s capable of being’’

Here is a link to the source article: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/24296567-574/white-sox-add-adam-eaton-in-three-way-trade.html

If the Sox have to choose one I'd rather them stick with Tank at this point. He's still only 24 (25 when next season starts) and the Sox have invested in him for about 4 years now. I think he can still figure it out and be a quality impact player. At almost 30 years old I'm not sure De Aza can improve all that much.

shingo10
12-11-2013, 07:59 PM
If the Sox have to choose one I'd rather them stick with Tank at this point. He's still only 24 (25 when next season starts) and the Sox have invested in him for about 4 years now. I think he can still figure it out and be a quality impact player. At almost 30 years old I'm not sure De Aza can improve all that much.


Agreed. Tank has proven that when he gets hot he can carry a team (Tampa Bay series 2012) and his arm from left field is above average.