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Viva Medias B's
10-20-2013, 08:44 PM
go redbirds!!!

Bucky F. Dent
10-20-2013, 09:27 PM
Beat The Beards!

Viva Medias B's
10-20-2013, 09:59 PM
Beat The Beards!

The Red Sox look like a House of David team.

dakuda
10-20-2013, 10:27 PM
I'm not interested in seeing either team win. I'll probably sit this one out.

ChiSoxFann
10-20-2013, 10:51 PM
As I said in the other thread I really admire the Cardinals organization and hope the White Sox can build a consistent winner like they do so again I'm rooting for the Cards. Plus my Cub fan friends are pissed that their main rival is again in the World Series. Also, like most, I can't stand Boston.

Brewski
10-20-2013, 10:57 PM
The Red Sox look like a House of David team.

Thinking the same but I didn't know anyone would remember them.

Soxman219
10-20-2013, 11:52 PM
I can't take smug Boston fans AT ALL. Go Cards.

ChicagoG19
10-21-2013, 12:42 AM
This is probably the World Series match up I least wanted to see. I don't even care at this point.

TaylorStSox
10-21-2013, 02:09 AM
I hate to root for the NL. I also despise Red Sox fans more than any fan base in all of sports. I'd rather have a beer with Kentucky fans.

shes
10-21-2013, 03:30 AM
I'm not interested in seeing either team win. I'll probably sit this one out.

Same here. If you asked me in April what WS matchups I'd pass on watching, there would only be one, and this would be it.

SephClone89
10-21-2013, 08:38 AM
I can't take smug Boston fans AT ALL. Go Cards.

Cardinals fans are just as smug; no thanks.

vinny
10-21-2013, 09:45 AM
This is probably the World Series match up I least wanted to see. I don't even care at this point.

Yep. Team with smug fans vs. team with smug fans. Where's that big ****ing meteor?

beasly213
10-21-2013, 09:48 AM
Cardinals fans are just as smug; no thanks.

Yup. Go on twitter and follow @BestFansStLouis

Moses_Scurry
10-21-2013, 11:33 AM
I can't imagine a scenario where I would be rooting for the Boston team in any sport. Maybe if the Red Sox were against the cubs or the Patriots were against the Packers. That's about it.

SOXPHILE
10-21-2013, 12:22 PM
Go Cardinals. If it can't be the White Sox, that's my next choice. To hell with Boston.

The icing on the cake is how much this really has to pickle the peckers of all the Cubs Game Fans. Gotta love it.

TDog
10-21-2013, 03:06 PM
Yep. Team with smug fans vs. team with smug fans. Where's that big ****ing meteor?

I think any meteor carrying such limited damage that it wouldn't trigger events ending civilization as we know it could be put to better use. And neither fanbase in the World Series is the worst in baseball. Really, any fanbase exposed will give you reason to hate their team. There are people who hate the White Sox because of their fans.

I have no reason to hate the Cardinals because doing so would give me some common ground with Cubs fans. I don't care how smug Cardinals fans are. They don't play in the same league or division as the White Sox. If there are smug Cardinals fans who want to keep smug Cubs fans in their place, that alone seems an outstanding reason to root for the Cardinals.

vinny
10-21-2013, 04:23 PM
I think any meteor carrying such limited damage that it wouldn't trigger events ending civilization as we know it could be put to better use. And neither fanbase in the World Series is the worst in baseball. Really, any fanbase exposed will give you reason to hate their team. There are people who hate the White Sox because of their fans.

I have no reason to hate the Cardinals because doing so would give me some common ground with Cubs fans. I don't care how smug Cardinals fans are. They don't play in the same league or division as the White Sox. If there are smug Cardinals fans who want to keep smug Cubs fans in their place, that alone seems an outstanding reason to root for the Cardinals.

In an world where I could isolate my existence in life as a Sox fan, it would work. In reality, I can't do it. All my wife's family and former associates are from Missouri (and not the part that roots for the Royals) so I have already had my fill of Yadi-crushes, rally squirrels, and Wachtober.

DumpJerry
10-21-2013, 04:50 PM
The Cardinals are arguably making Theo's "plan" more and more difficult to implement. Higher mountain for the Cubs to climb to overcome them.

StillMissOzzie
10-21-2013, 08:16 PM
I'm not interested in seeing either team win. I'll probably sit this one out.

This is probably the World Series match up I least wanted to see. I don't even care at this point.

Yep. Team with smug fans vs. team with smug fans. Where's that big ****ing meteor?

You guys sum up my thoughts: the two teams I least wanted to see, a begrudging admiration for the Cardinals (Pujols departs and they miss him like a toothache), smug fans vs. smug fans. If it didn't stick in the Cubs' craw for the success of their "rival" :rolleyes: I could not care less. But I will probably still watch. SMO :gulp:

TomC727
10-21-2013, 10:35 PM
Go Cardinals!!!!!

doublem23
10-21-2013, 10:55 PM
This is probably the World Series match up I least wanted to see. I don't even care at this point.

I agree, which is a shame because this has been such an incredibly entertaining post season to this point, but I'm out, call me when Spring Training starts

amsteel
10-21-2013, 11:56 PM
So if the rosters were the same but the teams had different fan bases people would be more excited?

Noneck
10-22-2013, 12:26 AM
I dont mind the cardinals now with larussa gone.

SCCWS
10-22-2013, 08:43 AM
I dont mind the cardinals now with larussa gone.


As a longtime ( 1957) White Sox fan who has lived mostly in New England the last 50 years, I find the Red Sox fans when I go to Fenway to be overall polite, knowledgeable and very much into the game. Many sit in company seats since the Red Sox sell thousands of them. As I posted elsewhere, typical Fenway crowd is a husband/wife and 2 kids in the grandstand and college kids in the bleachers. Very safe neighborhood surrounding the ballpark. If you don't have free tickets, can be an expensive day.

Average WS ticket on Stub Hub was $1,400 and range was $500-$5000. Weather will be cold and damp tomorrow night.

beasly213
10-22-2013, 08:51 AM
http://deadspin.com/man-buys-ticket-to-game-1-of-world-series-for-6-00-on-1449725376

Pretty cool story. Sucks for the guy that sold the ticket. Awesome for the guy that got the ticket.

doublem23
10-22-2013, 09:22 AM
So if the rosters were the same but the teams had different fan bases people would be more excited?

Yeah, probably, sports is basically about rooting for pieces of laundry

asindc
10-22-2013, 09:32 AM
So if the rosters were the same but the teams had different fan bases people would be more excited?

Yes.

asindc
10-22-2013, 09:34 AM
Let's see... we have a team whose fans are obnoxious, self-centered "paragons of baseball history" vs. a team whose fans are annoying, self-righteous "protectors of baseball tradition." Please notify me when the offseason begins.

Boondock Saint
10-22-2013, 10:58 AM
Let's see... we have a team whose fans are obnoxious, self-centered "paragons of baseball history" vs. a team whose fans are annoying, self-righteous "protectors of baseball tradition." Please notify me when the offseason begins.

Yep. I'm only hoping the Cards win because I hate Boston.

happydude
10-22-2013, 12:43 PM
Should be a great series; both of these teams are relentless. Aren't these the two teams who won the most games this year, also? Any champion is a worthy champion but it will sit better with me than it did, for example, when the Cards won in 2006 after finishing only 5 games over .500.

I'm picking Boston and I'm hoping they win, mostly as the lesser of two evils. I'm tired of the beards and the "grittiness" but my anti-Cardinals days began even before LaRussa got there; no need to stop now.

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10-22-2013, 01:11 PM
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TDog
10-22-2013, 01:12 PM
As a longtime ( 1957) White Sox fan who has lived mostly in New England the last 50 years, I find the Red Sox fans when I go to Fenway to be overall polite, knowledgeable and very much into the game. Many sit in company seats since the Red Sox sell thousands of them. As I posted elsewhere, typical Fenway crowd is a husband/wife and 2 kids in the grandstand and college kids in the bleachers. Very safe neighborhood surrounding the ballpark. If you don't have free tickets, can be an expensive day.

Average WS ticket on Stub Hub was $1,400 and range was $500-$5000. Weather will be cold and damp tomorrow night.

I've never really had anything against Red Sox fans. If in the middle of the 1960s my father had taken the job in Boston instead of Dallas, the most loathsome place I've ever experienced, I have no doubt that 1967 would have turned me into a Red Sox fan for life, and I'm sure I wouldn't be any different a Red Sox fan than I am a White Sox fan. Really, Red Sox fans seem a decent group. They're no more smug than Yankees fans, who have less reason to be. They're less smug than Cubs fans who have no reason to be. Really, they're less smug than Bulls fans during the Jordan championship runs (although both of those fanbases were lampooned on Saturday Night Live).

They certainly aren't apathetic the way the Rays fans are. Any team that makes it to the World Series, especially this postseason, is going to be either smug or apathetic and their fans will be hated by teams who didn't make it. Red Sox fans aren't aggressively nasty as the A's fans are. Maybe Dodgers fans aren't as violent as they have show they can be in the last couple of years, the rivalry with the Giants bringing out the worst in fans of both teams.

I can see if you personally are surrounded by people who support a team that you don't, it can be a terrible thing. When I lived in Alaska, I worked with Cubs fans and 2003 was unbearable until the collapse made it so enjoyable. I lived in a Mariners community, so if Seattle had made it to the World Series in those years, I might have found Mariners fans too smug to tolerate. In 2005, there wasn't enough of me to go around in Juneau for the community to hate the White Sox, but the Cubs fans in my office considered White Sox fans to be the worst fans in the world long before 2005.

I've never really found Cardinals fans to be that smug, really. Not in an obnoxious Yankees way (Billy Crystal said that when he was growing up, he chill of autumn was called "World Series weather.") I've actually found a kinship with Cardinals fans for years because they generally treat the Cubs like a rented mule and put Cubs fans in their place.

robertks61
10-22-2013, 01:52 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200606200.shtml

Here is one reason I dislike STL. Ponson hits Anderson & Ozuna back to back after the White Sox are beating them down. Riske hits Chris Duncan the next inning so LaRussa & Dave Duncan cry and complain.

STL 6 White Sox 20 Final!

The final game of the series the White Sox are 1 hit but win 1-0 on a Thome solo HR!

robertks61
10-22-2013, 02:02 PM
My BOS dislike comes from chc fans wearing Red Cubs gear into U.S. Cellular Field. It's a fact because I work with a few of them and attended a group outing with them!

waldo_the_wolf
10-22-2013, 06:19 PM
I couldn't agree more with the people who say they can't root for either team. This is one time I wish it was possible to have two losers.

waldo_the_wolf
10-22-2013, 06:32 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200606200.shtml

Here is one reason I dislike STL. Ponson hits Anderson & Ozuna back to back after the White Sox are beating them down. Riske hits Chris Duncan the next inning so LaRussa & Dave Duncan cry and complain.

STL 6 White Sox 20 Final!

The final game of the series the White Sox are 1 hit but win 1-0 on a Thome solo HR!

Didn't the Cardinals accuse the Sox of stealing all of their signs that series and that was why they scored so many runs?

ChiSoxFann
10-22-2013, 06:50 PM
My BOS dislike comes from chc fans wearing Red Cubs gear into U.S. Cellular Field. It's a fact because I work with a few of them and attended a group outing with them!

I remember the early 2000s where Cubs fans felt some sort of bond with the Red Sox. And yes, pleny of northsiders loved to wear BoSox stuff to our stadium. Then Boston wins two World Series and has consistent success while the Cubs are still the Cubs. I'm pretty sure real Red Sox fans don't give two ****s about the Cubbies.

voodoochile
10-22-2013, 07:37 PM
Didn't the Cardinals accuse the Sox of stealing all of their signs that series and that was why they scored so many runs?

Well Larussa knows the ins and outs of cheating. His teams were expert at it...

Mr. Jinx
10-22-2013, 07:56 PM
Well Larussa knows the ins and outs of cheating. His teams were expert at it...

As opposed to the Roid Sox?

Mr. Jinx
10-22-2013, 07:56 PM
I remember the early 2000s where Cubs fans felt some sort of bond with the Red Sox. And yes, pleny of northsiders loved to wear BoSox stuff to our stadium. Then Boston wins two World Series and has consistent success while the Cubs are still the Cubs. I'm pretty sure real Red Sox fans don't give two ****s about the Cubbies.

That's what is so funny. Cubs fans think they have a kinship with Boston, but Boston fans don't give a **** about them.

DSpivack
10-22-2013, 08:13 PM
An old friend of mine works at an Army medical research lab in the Boston area, and said she was invited on to the field for a pre-game ceremony tomorrow night. :cool:

thomas35forever
10-22-2013, 11:09 PM
The final game of the series the White Sox are 1 hit but win 1-0 on a Thome solo HR!
My favorite Sox game I've ever been to. It was like restitution for Freddy Garcia losing the 1-0 one-hitter in Minnesota the year before. He was even on the mound that night.

Cardinal Nation was well represented, especially since it was Pujols' first game back from an injury. Only 2 hours long too. Wish they were all like that.

palehozenychicty
10-23-2013, 12:07 AM
I pull for the AL. Boston Strong.

SOX ADDICT '73
10-23-2013, 01:34 AM
I will root for the Cardinals (mostly due to geographic proximity, but also because it pisses off the Cubs fans I know), though I won't be too upset if Boston wins. After all, they were considerate enough to dispatch the Detroit Tigers just in time for me to attend an annual teachers' convention with several hundred Michigan educators. Last year (and 2006 as well) was a frickin' nightmare...

Hitmen77
10-23-2013, 10:42 AM
Listening to people on this site, we may as well root for "meteor!" for pretty much every World Series matchup. NYY or Bos? Can't blame anyone for hating them. Philly? Worst fans in sports! Tampa Bay? Fans don't support their team and don't deserve a title. Texas? Nolan Ryan is an ass. St. Louis? Smug fans! Pirates? Can't root for them because we hate Steelers fans. ...and so forth.

At some point, it gets ridiculous and you're left with just "hating" pretty much every WS team each year instead of enjoying the Fall Classic.

I think the only teams I would actively root against in a World Series are the Yankees, Red Sox, and (if they ever made it) the Cubs.

MeteorsSox4367
10-23-2013, 12:42 PM
I'm rooting for St. Louis. Like the Cardinals, like the ballpark, like the city. That they're a Midwest team makes it even better.

Just can't root for Boston. All the Yankees-Boston love on ESPN and elsewhere makes me nauseous.

Plus, one of my coworkers is an absolutely diehard Cardinals fan, so if St. Louis wins, that will make him happy. I'm cool with that.

eastchicagosoxfan
10-23-2013, 07:00 PM
Cards and Giants are my two favorite NL teams. So it's easy to root for St. Louis. And quite frankly, Boston's fans as a group are just obnoxious.

#1swisher
10-23-2013, 07:05 PM
6:30 FOX Pregame
Game 1 Cardinals at Red Sox

Wainwright v Lester

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amsteel
10-23-2013, 07:20 PM
Spent all day trying to pick a 90$ SRO ticket or 125$ bleacher seat from the Red Sox since I work about 10 minutes from Fenway...so of course I hit on one as soon as I get home. Not worth showing up late in my opinion. Damn. Try again tomorrow.

Lotsa single seats still out there, if I was a crazy Red Sox fan, Id be all over it.

CoopaLoop
10-23-2013, 07:45 PM
Aside from the Casinos(they've always been good to me) I hate absolutely everything about St Louis.

Plus I think home field is the difference.

Boston in 7.

amsteel
10-23-2013, 08:30 PM
Well, it only took 4 outs for the umpires to further their case that they are utterly useless.

THE HUMAN ELEMENT!

voodoochile
10-23-2013, 08:36 PM
They got the call right in the end. Not sure they actually have the authority to overrule the 2nd base ump on a call at 2nd base, but that should have been safe all around on FC E6 which is what it ended up as.

Now Napoli doubles everyone in. So to some extent it's less of an issue than a sac fly might have been.

voodoochile
10-23-2013, 08:41 PM
Turned into one extra run compared to if the call stood. Whether that will matter only another 8 innings will tell...

amsteel
10-23-2013, 08:43 PM
They got the call right in the end. Not sure they actually have the authority to overrule the 2nd base ump on a call at 2nd base, but that should have been safe all around on FC E6 which is what it ended up as.

Now Napoli doubles everyone in. So to some extent it's less of an issue than a sac fly might have been.

They did get it right, but the ump was 6 feet from the play staring right at it. No excuse.

voodoochile
10-23-2013, 09:00 PM
Not gonna matter if the Cards keep playing crappy defense like this. Gonna get blown out early in this first game at this rate.

CoopaLoop
10-23-2013, 09:10 PM
The 2006 Tigers think these Cardinals are a joke in the field.

happydude
10-23-2013, 09:27 PM
They did get it right, but the ump was 6 feet from the play staring right at it. No excuse.

It seems like an impossible call to miss from where he was but at least he swallowed his pride and asked for help; would have been a shame not to correct the situation right there.

happydude
10-23-2013, 09:28 PM
Beltran out with bruised ribs; aren't those walls heavily padded? How tough is Torii Hunter?

mzh
10-23-2013, 09:45 PM
Bulls vs. Thunder in the preseason is officially more interesting than this game. Yawn.

SoxSpeed22
10-23-2013, 09:52 PM
Beltran out with bruised ribs; aren't those walls heavily padded? How tough is Torii Hunter?Keep in mind it is a lot colder tonight, those type of injuries will tighten up a lot quicker. That could be some karmic payback for plunking Hanley Ramirez and knocking him out of that series.

Railsplitter
10-23-2013, 10:22 PM
Bulls vs. Thunder in the preseason is officially more interesting than this game. Yawn.

Having Joe Yuck doing the call doesn't help much.

doublem23
10-23-2013, 11:32 PM
They got the call right in the end. Not sure they actually have the authority to overrule the 2nd base ump on a call at 2nd base, but that should have been safe all around on FC E6 which is what it ended up as.

Having an IR Umpire in the pressbox with a TV could have settled that in about 5 seconds

voodoochile
10-23-2013, 11:39 PM
Having an IR Umpire in the pressbox with a TV could have settled that in about 5 seconds

Next year there will be some kind of expanded replay.

amsteel
10-23-2013, 11:42 PM
Having an IR Umpire in the pressbox with a TV could have settled that in about 5 seconds

Having a competent umpire on the field would have prevented it in the first place. Seriously, how do you blow that?

doublem23
10-24-2013, 12:35 AM
Next year there will be some kind of expanded replay.

Yeah but isn't that going to involve challenge flags and other football-inspired **** like that? OK, it's bad enough a guy less than 10 feet from that play blew that call (seriously, the ball was never even in Kozma's mitt) but again, any IR system that takes more than 5 seconds to reverse a call that obvious is a waste of time.

Hitmen77
10-24-2013, 04:01 PM
What's that stuff on Lester's glove?

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/41763/was-lester-applying-substance-to-ball

jdm2662
10-24-2013, 04:26 PM
Yeah but isn't that going to involve challenge flags and other football-inspired **** like that? OK, it's bad enough a guy less than 10 feet from that play blew that call (seriously, the ball was never even in Kozma's mitt) but again, any IR system that takes more than 5 seconds to reverse a call that obvious is a waste of time.

They should just put the replay on the jumbotron. Much quicker than going to the camera hood...

#1swisher
10-24-2013, 06:31 PM
6:30 FOX

Game 2 Cardinals at Red Sox

Wacha v Lackey


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#1swisher
10-24-2013, 07:05 PM
What's that stuff on Lester's glove?

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/41763/was-lester-applying-substance-to-ball


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Mike Matheny made it clear NONE of the Cardinals hitters think Lester doctored the baseball NONE of them

voodoochile
10-24-2013, 07:50 PM
They should just put the replay on the jumbotron. Much quicker than going to the camera hood...

No because if the ump disagrees with the crowd it could get ugly fast.

johnny bench
10-24-2013, 07:57 PM
AJ not wearing World Series ring. Surprised because I remember seeing it when broadcasting a previous WS.

SoxSpeed22
10-24-2013, 08:06 PM
JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm (https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm)
Mike Matheny made it clear NONE of the Cardinals hitters think Lester doctored the baseball NONE of themI will give Matheny props for handling it as well as he did. He's keeping his guys focused on the task at hand.
Beltran will play tonight.

Boondock Saint
10-24-2013, 08:47 PM
AJ not wearing World Series ring. Surprised because I remember seeing it when broadcasting a previous WS.

He doesn't play for us anymore. Granted, he's only technically a Ranger at the moment, but he's still one of them more than he's one of us.

RadioheadRocks
10-24-2013, 11:30 PM
He doesn't play for us anymore. Granted, he's only technically a Ranger at the moment, but he's still one of them more than he's one of us.

And what does that have to do with the cost of tomatoes?

StillMissOzzie
10-25-2013, 01:58 AM
Kind of funny, both of the first two games have been "highlighted" by some pretty poor defense.

SMO
:gulp:

#1swisher
10-25-2013, 06:58 PM
I can't tell the players without a scorecard!


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Hitmen77
10-25-2013, 08:39 PM
Boston had a 9 game winning streak in the World Series until losing to the Cardinals yesterday.

TDog
10-26-2013, 11:45 AM
Kind of funny, both of the first two games have been "highlighted" by some pretty poor defense.

SMO
:gulp:


I wonder how much the cold night had to do with the Cardinals' poor play in Game 1, that and the adventure that seems to ensue just about every time I see a major league hitter hit a pop up to the pitcher's mound.

The Red Sox defense in Game 2 comes down to a bad decision in a close game. Of course, the Cardinals forced both errors, first by forcing a throw from the outfield and then by forcing a throw from the backing-up pitcher. The catcher didn't want to give up his chance at getting the runner by going out to get the wide throw. If he had, you wouldn't have had the pitcher throwing to a base.

When the Cardinals beat the Tigers in 2006, of course, Tigers pitchers made errors in each of their losses.

balke
10-26-2013, 01:15 PM
I liked Jake and was happy the Sox went after him. The longer I see him in Boston red though... ugh. Can we stop with the 2007 Cy Young Award winner citation? That was 6 years ago!

SOXSINCE'70
10-26-2013, 02:15 PM
The Red Sox look like a House of David team.

Ortiz or Ross??:rolling::rolling:

Hitmen77
10-26-2013, 02:26 PM
Fun fact about Michael Wacha - he was drafted with the 1st round compensation pick that the Cardinals got from the Angels when the Halos signed Albert Pujols. Good deal for St. Louis!

#1swisher
10-26-2013, 03:35 PM
6:30 FOX

Game 3 Red Sox at Cardinals

Peavy v Kelly

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amsteel
10-26-2013, 08:26 PM
Jake really working to make the Sox trading him look like the steal of the century.

SoxSpeed22
10-26-2013, 10:30 PM
Jake kept it at 2, so now it's up to the bullpens, which is probably good for the Cardinals, but the Red Sox have more dangerous hitters on the bench.

Brian26
10-27-2013, 12:04 AM
Here we go. I saw this a mile a way. What a shame.

TomC727
10-27-2013, 12:05 AM
What an ending!!!!!!!

Viva Medias B's
10-27-2013, 12:06 AM
It was interference on the third baseman.

EDIT: I would have loved to hear Mike Shannon's description of this play as it happened.

TomC727
10-27-2013, 12:07 AM
Great call.

Brian26
10-27-2013, 12:07 AM
It was interference on the third baseman.

It was. Totally the correct call.

Wedema
10-27-2013, 12:08 AM
It was interference on the third baseman.

Middelbrooks was not in the base path though. Was it the right call?

TomC727
10-27-2013, 12:09 AM
Now Fox can run with this "controversial" call for the rest of the series.

Brian26
10-27-2013, 12:09 AM
Joyce called it, and DuMuth pointed at Joyce to signal it before the play at the plate. Announcers did not mention this, but it is evident on the replay from behind 3rd base. Both umps called it.

Bucky F. Dent
10-27-2013, 12:10 AM
Good call.

TomC727
10-27-2013, 12:11 AM
Middelbrooks was not in the base path though. Was it the right call?

Yes.

I was screaming interference at the TV right after Craig tripped over Middlebrooks' legs.

The replay was pretty convincing. Middlebrooks lifted his legs just as Craig ran past him.

russ99
10-27-2013, 12:14 AM
Shades of Lenny Dykstra...

Didn't seem to be intentional to my eye. Regardless, a crappy way to decide a World Series game.

SOXPHILE
10-27-2013, 12:16 AM
Now Fox can run with this "controversial" call for the rest of the series.

Let 'em. It absolutely was the correct call. ESPN will probably be the ones to be melodramatic about it, and discuss the play nine ways till Sunday, debating if the call was right, seeing as it went against their house team.

mahagga73
10-27-2013, 12:16 AM
Cardinals fans are just as smug; no thanks.

I live in Cardinal country and I've never got that impression . There is a common bond of disdain with the Cubs. I like the way that team does things . Hopefully with Hahn we can set our goals higher than 85-77.

amsteel
10-27-2013, 12:18 AM
2 minutes for tripping

Brian26
10-27-2013, 12:18 AM
Now Fox can run with this "controversial" call for the rest of the series.

Remember though that Buck and McCarver are both St. Louis guys, so this won't be harped on like that.

TomC727
10-27-2013, 12:20 AM
I think if Middlebrooks didn't bend his legs up, there would have been no interference call.

Viva Medias B's
10-27-2013, 12:20 AM
I can imagine the black and purple bunting already going up at ESPN in Bristol.

voodoochile
10-27-2013, 12:20 AM
Shades of Lenny Dykstra...

Didn't seem to be intentional to my eye. Regardless, a crappy way to decide a World Series game.

Rules are rules. I agree the legs coming up might have been an accident just from bouncing off the ground, an unthinking reaction or the first move toward getting back on his feet, but it doesn't matter if he did it on purpose or not. It affected the base runner who would have easily been safe. Also, even if you can say in slow motion that it wasn't interference it's still at best a judgment call and that much harder to make while watching it live. Even with replay there wouldn't have been indisputable evidence to overturn the umpires call and both umpires made the same call at the same time.

Can't really fault them when that's what happens.

Edit: Remember that interference call that AJ got in 2008 in a rundown? No way that was intentional interference in fact it obviously was a planned effort by AJ. It's still the right call and if that one is, this one is too.

Huisj
10-27-2013, 12:20 AM
Craig should have just stepped on him like AJ on Aaron Boone.

mahagga73
10-27-2013, 12:26 AM
Let 'em. It absolutely was the correct call. ESPN will probably be the ones to be melodramatic about it, and discuss the play nine ways till Sunday, debating if the call was right, seeing as it went against their house team.

It was, the rule is " would he have had a reasonable chance to score?", and based on the fact he was held up for a couple seconds and Middlebrooks raised his legs on purpose to slow him down there is no doubt. It even looked blatant and was called immediately.

Viva Medias B's
10-27-2013, 12:28 AM
Joe Torre and the umpires are now on the podium.

happydude
10-27-2013, 12:34 AM
I can't stand the Cards and am hoping the Red Sox find a way to get this series but that was definitely the right call. Saltalamacha is the guy who should be criticized, if any, for first the ill advised decision to throw to third and, then, the poor execution of the throw.

DSpivack
10-27-2013, 12:38 AM
While it was the right call, this certainly won't help Boston fans' idiotic persecution complex.

Wedema
10-27-2013, 12:39 AM
I think if Middlebrooks didn't bend his legs up, there would have been no interference call.

Middelbrooks could have jumped up and down or done pushups, but if Craig would have stayed in the third base to home plate base path there would have been no "tripping" or interference.

Viva Medias B's
10-27-2013, 12:39 AM
While it was the right call, this certainly won't help Boston fans' idiotic persecution complex.

To them, this is Buckner all over again.

TomC727
10-27-2013, 12:42 AM
Middelbrooks could have jumped up and down or done pushups, but if Craig would have stayed in the third base to home plate base path there would have been no "tripping" or interference.

That was the correct call. Even the example in the specific rule states this exact scenario.

DSpivack
10-27-2013, 12:43 AM
To them, this is Buckner all over again.

At least that was their own player (though they turned on him). As an outside force, they'll blame it not on Saltalamacchia throwing to the wrong base, but on MLB/umps/the man/NYC.

TDog
10-27-2013, 12:44 AM
Shades of Lenny Dykstra...

Didn't seem to be intentional to my eye. Regardless, a crappy way to decide a World Series game.

There are many, including Carlton Fisk, who will tell you the Red Sox lost the 1975 World Series becasue of an interference call that umpires didn't make.

As for tonight, it doesn't have to be intentional, and it obviously wasn't incidental. If Middlebrooks is simply lying on the ground, it's incidental. Middlebrooks, however, intentionally or unintentionally, flips his legs up, to trip the runner. He didn't trip the runner while trying to get to his feet. And, considering the Cardinals took the lead on just such a play in Game 2 after the throw from home went past third, you can't assume the obstruction was unintentional. In real time, it looked like rulebook obstruction, and it looked like it was called immediately by the umpire at third.

The Red Sox deserved to lose this game becasue they overthrew third base in an attempt to get a baserunner coming down from second, just as they deserved to lose Game 2 becasue they overthrew third trying to get a running coming down from second. If the play instead ends up an inning-ending double pay and the Red Sox win in the 10th, it would be a crappy way to win a World Series game.

LoveYourSuit
10-27-2013, 12:44 AM
Why didn't Crais re-touch 3B when going home if when he got up it was to the 2B side of 3B?

mahagga73
10-27-2013, 12:55 AM
I can't stand the Cards and am hoping the Red Sox find a way to get this series but that was definitely the right call. Saltalamacha is the guy who should be criticized, if any, for first the ill advised decision to throw to third and, then, the poor execution of the throw.
You and ESPN are going to be disappointed in the end I hope.

voodoochile
10-27-2013, 01:01 AM
Middelbrooks could have jumped up and down or done pushups, but if Craig would have stayed in the third base to home plate base path there would have been no "tripping" or interference.

He was getting up after having dived into third base. His body was on the fair side of the line. The ball went by. The third base coach is waving frantically he jumps to his feet and starts running. Of course his feet landed fair. His whole body was fair.

TDog
10-27-2013, 01:02 AM
Why didn't Crais re-touch 3B when going home if when he got up it was to the 2B side of 3B?

He doesn't need to. He already touched third and didn't touch second before heading for home, which he didn't touch but was awarded. And if the obstruction prevented him from touching third, that counts as touching third. The requirement is that the bases be touched in order coming around the bases. Coming hom from the second-base side of third is just a matter of running on the inside of the foul line, which the rules allow.

What you apparently are thinking of is a situation where a runner has to return to a base because he hasn't tagged up on a fly ball. For example, if the runner is beyond third base and doesn't retouch third before returning to second to beat the throw from the outfield after a catch, would be called out if the defense appealed at third because in that case, he doesn't retouch the bases he passed as the rules require.

voodoochile
10-27-2013, 01:06 AM
Why didn't Crais re-touch 3B when going home if when he got up it was to the 2B side of 3B?

That would be damned picky. Do we really want to make guys stop acting on instinct and using all their athletic skills and force them to think, "did I do that right" every single time something like this happens?

This was a bang bang play though not in the classic sense of the word, bang the ball went past the glove of the 3B and bang the runner jumped to his feet and started running.

It was a valid play by the runner.

Edit: I'll step aside and assume TDog knows what he's talking about and that my explanation is moot in the face of the rules.

happydude
10-27-2013, 01:25 AM
You and ESPN are going to be disappointed in the end I hope.

Lol. You and many others no doubt. I can't speak for ESPN but, for me, it wouldn't be the first time or, I fear, the last. :-)

thomas35forever
10-27-2013, 02:14 AM
Jim Joyce is in the middle of a critical play again. Who'd a thunk it?

DumpJerry
10-27-2013, 11:26 AM
I guess the Curse of the Bambino lives on.......:tongue:

Bucky F. Dent
10-27-2013, 11:28 AM
While it was the right call, this certainly won't help Boston fans' idiotic persecution complex.

Yup!

DumpJerry
10-27-2013, 12:17 PM
While it was the right call, this certainly won't help Boston fans' idiotic persecution complex.
Bingo. Also, :violin:Boston fans and their "suffering."

Chez
10-27-2013, 12:32 PM
If Boston doesn't come back to win the Series, the world will never hear the end of it. Books will be written. Movies will be made. Doris Kearns Goodwin and Dennis Leary and Bob Ryan and Ben Affleck etc. Oh ****, I'm not ready for that. The world isn't ready for that. The only thing more insufferable than Red Sox fans after their team has won the WS is Red Sox fans after their team has lost the WS.

DumpJerry
10-27-2013, 12:40 PM
If Boston doesn't come back to win the Series, the world will never hear the end of it. Books will be written. Movies will be made. Doris Kearns Goodwin and Dennis Leary and Bob Ryan and Ben Affleck etc. Oh ****, I'm not ready for that. The world isn't ready for that. The only thing more insufferable than Red Sox fans after their team has won the WS is Red Sox fans after their team has lost the WS.
You left out the 24 hour a day coverage for at least one week after the Series is over on ESPN with "experts" from every corner of Boston (some of whom might pronounce the letter "r"). The documentary "Joyce Blew It" will become required viewing in the Boston Public Schools at all grade levels and will be re-broadcast on ESPN at least one a week every year for the next 25 years (twice a week during Christmas since the kids will be home from school then).

TDog
10-27-2013, 02:34 PM
If Boston doesn't come back to win the Series, the world will never hear the end of it. Books will be written. Movies will be made. Doris Kearns Goodwin and Dennis Leary and Bob Ryan and Ben Affleck etc. Oh ****, I'm not ready for that. The world isn't ready for that. The only thing more insufferable than Red Sox fans after their team has won the WS is Red Sox fans after their team has lost the WS.

You don't think there would be similar reaction from Cardinals Nation if the Cardinals were to go on to lose the World Series after losing a game after a clear obstruction of what the baserunner at third prevented him from scoring the winning run?

The Cardinals didn't win the game on a rulebook technicality. The run wasn't awarded because it was clear to all of the umpires that he would have scored had the Red Sox not obstructed the runner from scoring. The rule addresses this specific action. Bring in the instant replay. Show it over and over. The play is the definition of obstruction. Don't call it and you're screwing the Cardinals and the hue and cry for years to come is coming from Cardinals Nation.

It's unfortunate that the Red Sox screwed up the end of the game in a way that no ending of a World Series Game has been screwed up before. Because the obstruction prevented the winning run from scoring, and it wasn't a non-call on a play that Carlton Fisk has always insisted was interference in a 1975 Red Sox World Series loss, it will be more memorable.

Really, it isn't even the most unusual ending to a game I've ever seen. In September 2010, the Twins won a game in which the last out of the game was made at third because the runner representing the tying run with two outs in the ninth was called out d for making contact with the third-base coach.

You don't ignore a rule simply because it's a lousy way to end the game. If the play happened in the bottom of the first, it would have less controversy than the J.C. Martin bunt play in the 1969 World Series. But it's not on the umpires for not overlooking rules because it would be "a lousy way to end the game" (I actually heard that phrase from a sports editor on the other side of the building from where I was working during Game 2 of the 2005 ALCS). This is about the Red Sox screwing up.

DumpJerry
10-27-2013, 07:10 PM
You don't think there would be similar reaction from Cardinals Nation if the Cardinals were to go on to lose the World Series after losing a game after a clear obstruction of what the baserunner at third prevented him from scoring the winning run?
Not even close. The Cards fan base is not made up of self-entitled whiny people. The Card fans would say "that's ok, we'll be back next year." They are the NL's version of the Yankees (the only team with more World Series titles in their history).

#1swisher
10-27-2013, 07:44 PM
7pm FOX

Game 4 Red Sox at Cardinals

Buchholz v Lynn

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getonbckthr
10-28-2013, 12:05 AM
Game ending pickoff so i'm guessing a Walk-Off Balk for Game 5?

CoopaLoop
10-28-2013, 12:23 AM
Wong place Wong time.

This series is bananas.

happydude
10-28-2013, 03:12 AM
Wong place Wong time.

This series is bananas.

Yep. Those looking for great baseball may be somewhat disappointed but its definitely come through in terms of drama.

slavko
10-28-2013, 08:39 AM
Great TV coverage of the final play by Fox. Talk about "Why are they holding him on?" for ten minutes and then focus on pretty girls in the stands when the play is actually happening.

Railsplitter
10-28-2013, 08:53 AM
Game ending pickoff so i'm guessing a Walk-Off Balk for Game 5?

It is within the realm of possibility

harwar
10-28-2013, 08:58 AM
Great TV coverage of the final play by Fox. Talk about "Why are they holding him on?" for ten minutes and then focus on pretty girls in the stands when the play is actually happening.

Fox Sports is just a big a joke, as Fox News..

TomBradley72
10-28-2013, 09:02 AM
It may not be perfect baseball- but it's a very entertaining and interesting World Series.

I tend to like the earlier parts of the post season (Wild Card Play In & LDS) more than the World Series itself- but both of these teams are pretty interesting to me, they are both "orginal 8" teams for their leagues, I like both ballparks, etc.

2-3 baseball games left- then it's time to go "Hornsby" for me-

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

Rogers Hornsby

SOXPHILE
10-28-2013, 10:36 AM
Not even close. The Cards fan base is not made up of self-entitled whiny people. The Card fans would say "that's ok, we'll be back next year." They are the NL's version of the Yankees (the only team with more World Series titles in their history).

Correct. See the Deckinger call at 1st base in the 1985 World Series. The Cardinals got royally screwed (pun intended), and there was all the bitching and moaning about it, as there should be in a case where the call was blown as bad as that was. And then, that was it. You don't hear about it that much, outside of one of those ESPN "Top 20 Worst Calls" or whatever. There was never any hour long specials, or made for cable movies, like they do for the poor little Boston fans, or the "long suffering" Cubs fans.

amsteel
10-28-2013, 10:48 AM
Not even close. The Cards fan base is not made up of self-entitled whiny people. The Card fans would say "that's ok, we'll be back next year." They are the NL's version of the Yankees (the only team with more World Series titles in their history).

Check out @bestfansstlouis on Twitter.

doublem23
10-28-2013, 11:12 AM
Check out @bestfansstlouis on Twitter.

Seriously, was just about to post this. These people suck

https://twitter.com/bestfansstlouis

TommyJohn
10-28-2013, 02:18 PM
Game ending pickoff so i'm guessing a Walk-Off Balk for Game 5?


Would that make it a Balk-Off?

CoopaLoop
10-28-2013, 06:50 PM
Great TV coverage of the final play by Fox. Talk about "Why are they holding him on?" for ten minutes and then focus on pretty girls in the stands when the play is actually happening.

Thankfully Buck was on top of it. That was actually a good call. I don't usually sing his praises.

#1swisher
10-28-2013, 06:52 PM
MLB
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6:30 FOX
Game 5 Red Sox at Cardinals

Lester v Wainwright

Boston
1. Jacoby Ellsbury (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=453056) (CF)
2. Pedroia (2B)
3. Ortiz (1B)
4. Gomes (LF)
5. Nava (RF)
6. Xander Bogaerts (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=593428) (3B)
7. Stephen Drew (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=452220) (SS)
8. Ross (C)
9. Lester (P)

St. Louis
1. Carpenter (2B)
2. Robinson (CF)
3. Matt Holliday (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407812) (LF)
4. Beltran (RF)
5. Yadier Molina (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425877) (C)
6. Craig (1B)
7. David Freese (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=501896) (3B)
8. Kozma (SS)
9. Adam Wainwright (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425794) (P)

CoopaLoop
10-28-2013, 07:13 PM
Craig in the lineup. Very interesting.

slavko
10-28-2013, 08:07 PM
Thankfully Buck was on top of it. That was actually a good call. I don't usually sing his praises.

To his credit, he wasn't watching the pretty girls in the stands on his monitor but was looking at the field. To his discredit, he didn't say "Hey, Tim, I guess that's why they were holding him on."

SoxSpeed22
10-28-2013, 11:10 PM
The guy who hit .216 in the regular season does the Cards in, that's the kind of stuff that happens in the postseason.
1 more to go for Boston.

StillMissOzzie
10-29-2013, 12:34 AM
Not even close. The Cards fan base is not made up of self-entitled whiny people. The Card fans would say "that's ok, we'll be back next year." They are the NL's version of the Yankees (the only team with more World Series titles in their history).

Please - the Cards aren't the team to attack all of their shortfalls and injuries and FA signing mistakes by hurling more and more money like the Yankees. While they don't have much in the way of big spending in their own division to worry about, since the Cubs are so tight-fisted lately, they had to get past the mega-buck Dodger$ this season. And how many teams could lose an Albert Pujols after winning the World Series in 2011 and be back just two years later? (Although in retrospect, not bringing back Pujols looks like sheer genius now).

Dump, I hope you were comparing the Cards to the Yankees only because of the number to World Series victories, and no other reason.

SMO
:gulp:

Railsplitter
10-29-2013, 08:55 AM
1 more to go for Boston.

Let's get it over with.

ChiSoxGal85
10-29-2013, 09:20 AM
I must say, this has been an excellent series to watch, especially the pitching.
Edit: Oh, yeah...and David Ortiz.

happydude
10-29-2013, 01:36 PM
I must say, this has been an excellent series to watch, especially the pitching.
Edit: Oh, yeah...and David Ortiz.

One of the greatest World Series performances I've ever witnessed. Its one thing for a guy with little pressure on him to come out of nowhere to perform; its a whole other thing for a guy to come into a series with his team, fans, and city depending on him and he STILL produces. Its the type of stuff that tips Hall of Fame voting in your favor when you have borderline numbers. If the Red Sox win, it would be a tough choice for MVP; Ortiz or Lester? Both?

That being said, the Cardinals are the epitome of a professional ball club and, to the last man, they will go down fighting. They are more than capable of pulling this off in Fenway or on Mars. A Game 7 to close this season out would be great.

JB98
10-29-2013, 01:45 PM
One of the greatest World Series performances I've ever witnessed. Its one thing for a guy with little pressure on him to come out of nowhere to perform; its a whole other thing for a guy to come into a series with his team, fans, and city depending on him and he STILL produces. Its the type of stuff that tips Hall of Fame voting in your favor when you have borderline numbers. If the Red Sox win, it would be a tough choice for MVP; Ortiz or Lester? Both?

That being said, the Cardinals are the epitome of a professional ball club and, to the last man, they will go down fighting. They are more than capable of pulling this off in Fenway or on Mars. A Game 7 to close this season out would be great.

Ortiz. I said on my blog last night that we'd be talking about Lester as MVP in any other year. He's been outstanding. But I don't know how anything can compare to the performance of Ortiz in this series. His OBP is .789. :o: That's obscene.

Ortiz is hitting .733 in this series. The rest of the Red Sox are hitting .156 collectively. The Cardinals are obviously pitching well in this series. They've been able to quiet several other very good Boston hitters. But nothing they have tried against Ortiz has worked. He's been otherworldly.

happydude
10-29-2013, 01:52 PM
Ortiz. I said on my blog last night that we'd be talking about Lester as MVP in any other year. He's been outstanding. But I don't know how anything can compare to the performance of Ortiz in this series. His OBP is .789. :o: That's obscene.

Ortiz is hitting .733 in this series. The rest of the Red Sox are hitting .156 collectively. The Cardinals are obviously pitching well in this series. They've been able to quiet several other very good Boston hitters. But nothing they have tried against Ortiz has worked. He's been otherworldly.

You're right, JB. Ortiz has simply been too good to consider anyone else for the hardware if they win. Given the performances of the rest of the Sox, it may be time for the Cards to start giving Papi the Barry Bonds treatment.

34 Inch Stick
10-29-2013, 02:56 PM
Ortiz. I said on my blog last night that we'd be talking about Lester as MVP in any other year. He's been outstanding. But I don't know how anything can compare to the performance of Ortiz in this series. His OBP is .789. :o: That's obscene.

Ortiz is hitting .733 in this series. The rest of the Red Sox are hitting .156 collectively. The Cardinals are obviously pitching well in this series. They've been able to quiet several other very good Boston hitters. But nothing they have tried against Ortiz has worked. He's been otherworldly.

but Lester has two of the three wins so far on his own

two bad games and those Ortiz numbers drop precipitously while Lester's will stick

anyway, the Cardinals are still going to get this thing

SBSoxFan
10-30-2013, 06:04 AM
You're right, JB. Ortiz has simply been too good to consider anyone else for the hardware if they win. Given the performances of the rest of the Sox, it may be time for the Cards to start giving Papi the Barry Bonds treatment.

I don't get to see much of the games because they are on so late. However, looking at the numbers, why didn't the Cards start doing this a couple of games ago? It might be too late now.

happydude
10-30-2013, 03:19 PM
I don't get to see much of the games because they are on so late. However, looking at the numbers, why didn't the Cards start doing this a couple of games ago? It might be too late now.

It may be. You can bet if they don't rally to take this series it will become an issue to be discussed; especially for Card fans. In Game 5, he came up against Wainwright on his first at bat of the night with Pedroia on second and first base open. Given how hot he's been, I figured they'd at least give him the unintentional intentional walk. Nope, and Papi laced the first pitch down the line to drive in the game's first run.

Pitching to him would make a lot more sense if the guys behind him were doing anything but so far they haven't done much at all (outside of the Gomes homer in Game 4).

#1swisher
10-30-2013, 06:52 PM
6:30 FOX

Game 6 Cardinals at Red Sox

Wacha v Lackey

ST. LOUIS
1. Matt Carpenter (2B)
2. Carlos Beltran (RF)
3. Matt Holliday (LF)
4. Allen Craig (DH)
5. Yadier Molina (C)
6. Matt Adams (1B)
7. David Freese (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=501896) (3B)
8. Jon Jay (CF)
9. Daniel Descalso (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518614) (SS)
Michael Wacha (P)

BOSTON
1. Jacoby Ellsbury (CF)
2. Dustin Pedroia (2B)
3. David Ortiz (DH)
4. Mike Napoli (1B)
5. Jonny Gomes (LF)
6. Shane Victorino (RF)
7. Xander Bogaerts (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=593428) (3B)
8. Stephen Drew (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=452220) (SS)
9. David Ross (C)
John Lackey (P)

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/lineup-breakdown-cardinals-at-red-sox-game-6?ymd=20131030&content_id=63516718&vkey=news_mlb

ChiSoxGal85
10-30-2013, 07:50 PM
If I were Wacha, I wouldn't be throwing the ball anywhere near the plate when Ortiz is at bat.

All these pregame shows make it sound like the Red Sox winning it is a foregone conclusion, but I wouldn't rule out the Cards yet.

SoxSpeed22
10-30-2013, 09:11 PM
One of those calls that could have gone either way. Big run right there.

voodoochile
10-30-2013, 09:24 PM
Get ready for 24/7/365 BOSTON on ESPN...

Well for those of you who still watch...

Brian26
10-30-2013, 09:38 PM
On the bright side, we don't have to listen to Tim McCarver ever again after tonight.

Brian26
10-30-2013, 09:41 PM
Cardinal fans are probably having bad memories now of Game 7 in 1985 @ KC. Get Joaquin Andujar up in the bullpen for laughs.

Bucky F. Dent
10-30-2013, 10:10 PM
Can't even execute a simple run-down play.

TDog
10-30-2013, 10:26 PM
Tim McCarver's retirement can't come too soon.

Anytime you're mentioned in the same breath as Lou Gehrig you've done something special?

Am I the only listener who wasn't thinking ALS?

BigKlu59
10-30-2013, 10:30 PM
Redbirds getting caught up in the perfect Nor'Easter Storm.. BoSox can do no wrong tonite.. Bristol Bosox barrage on the horizon...

BK59

amsteel
10-30-2013, 10:42 PM
@bestfansstlouis is a glorious symphony tonight.

Railsplitter
10-30-2013, 10:46 PM
Tim McCarver's retirement can't come too soon.


Agreed.

BTW, am I the only one who thinks "God Bless America" is a dull, uninspiring song?

Soxman219
10-30-2013, 11:03 PM
I hope our Sox can do something like this next year and eliminate their Sox in the playoffs

but a lot of things need to happen.:(:

TDog
10-30-2013, 11:07 PM
I hope our Sox can do something like this next year and eliminate their Sox in the playoffs

but a lot of things need to happen.:(:


The Red Sox finished last in 2012.

Soxman219
10-30-2013, 11:12 PM
The Red Sox finished last in 2012.

I know, I hope a similar fate happens to our Sox, but it won't be easy.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
10-30-2013, 11:20 PM
The bright side is, the last two times the Red Sox won the World Series, the White Sox have made the playoffs the following year.

A small consolation, surely, but it's something.

TommyJohn
10-30-2013, 11:22 PM
@bestfansstlouis is a glorious symphony tonight.


I read only a few and clicked off. The sheer level of nastiness was shall we say off-putting.

ChiSoxGal85
10-30-2013, 11:23 PM
From last place in 2012 to World Series champs in 2013. That's pretty damn amazing. :tiphat:

happydude
10-30-2013, 11:35 PM
Congrats to the Red Sox. For the most part they were the best team all season and they backed it up in the playoffs. Three titles in a decade is pretty special (unless you're the Yankees maybe).

SaltyPretzel
10-30-2013, 11:55 PM
@bestfansstlouis is a glorious symphony tonight.

Just looked at that now. What a group of disgusting people.

DrCrawdad
10-31-2013, 12:36 AM
Just clicked this survey, Red Sox or Cardinals. On a lark, considering that Boston had won, I "picked" Boston.

I usually root for the AL in the post-season. However, I've had my fill of the Red Sox and their fans. Oh well. At least with the Red Sox winning it might close the boastful mouth of one Les Grobstein, who would have been boasting about the superiority of the NL, if the Cards won.

amsteel
10-31-2013, 01:06 AM
Just looked at that now. What a group of disgusting people.

In defense/offense of everyone every fan base everywhere is full of ****heads. Conversely, every fan base everywhere is full of well educated, reasonable people.

It's just funny when people think that a fan base is full of one or the other.

voodoochile
10-31-2013, 01:16 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/red-sox-fan-dedicates-garbage-can-hes-lighting-on,34399/

:rolling:

:drunken:

thomas35forever
10-31-2013, 01:27 AM
If this had to happen so we could win the Cup, so be it. Don't like it, but it is what it is.

KRS1
10-31-2013, 01:39 AM
Pretty darn good series that my best friend in the world got to enjoy as a sawx fan.

TDog
10-31-2013, 01:55 AM
The bright side is, the last two times the Red Sox won the World Series, the White Sox have made the playoffs the following year.

A small consolation, surely, but it's something.

The last four times. Before 2013, the Red Sox last won championships in 2007, 2004, 1918 and 1916.

I've never really thought about it before, but the four most recent seasons in which the Red Sox lost the World Series -- 1986, 1975, 1967, 1946 -- preceded losing White Sox seasons.

DumpJerry
10-31-2013, 08:14 AM
Nearly 10% of the Red Sox roster was on the White Sox roster at the start of the 2013 season.

SCCWS
10-31-2013, 08:45 AM
Nearly 10% of the Red Sox roster was on the White Sox roster at the start of the 2013 season.

Thornton made the world series roster but it looks like he will be gone after this season. Peavy will go into next season as their 5th starter unless they trade him offseason.

Hitmen77
10-31-2013, 09:47 AM
The team with the 2nd highest payroll in the AL won the World Series? Shocking!
All is right with the world according to ESPN. I'm sure they're still a little irked that their two favorites - the Red Sox and Yankees - have only won 4 WS titles in the last 10 years.

Oh, and I'm glad the Red Sox won because the Cardinals have such smug fans. We all know that Red Sox Nation doesn't have smug fans. :rolleyes:

This is the 8th World Series title for Boston. They're only one behind the A's now on the all-time list.

beasly213
10-31-2013, 10:22 AM
What a bunch of jackass morons

http://deadspin.com/boston-fails-to-celebrate-like-its-been-there-before-1455865055

#1swisher
10-31-2013, 01:36 PM
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TDog
10-31-2013, 01:47 PM
The team with the 2nd highest payroll in the AL won the World Series? Shocking!
...

Is it more shocking that the team with the highest payroll didn't make the postseason. Is it more shocking that the elite payroll with which the Red Sox began last season bought them a last-place finish?

I've read sources that place this year's White Sox payroll ahead of the Cardinals', both of which were behind the Phillies and Giants, teams with losing records.

Hitmen77
10-31-2013, 03:06 PM
Is it more shocking that the team with the highest payroll didn't make the postseason. Is it more shocking that the elite payroll with which the Red Sox began last season bought them a last-place finish?

I've read sources that place this year's White Sox payroll ahead of the Cardinals', both of which were behind the Phillies and Giants, teams with losing records.

Ah, the old argument that, unless the Yankees and Red Sox never ever ever....ever! have one bad season, there is no merit to pointing out the correlation between their sky-high payroll and their nearly annual playoff appearances. Sorry, I think pointing to the 2012 Red Sox or 2013 Yankees as great examples of the hardships these teams can endure is simply misleading.

Yes, there are definitely bad 2013 teams with high payroll and bad/expensive contracts to be found on that list. The Phillies are way up there. That'll always be the case. Still doesn't mean we can't call a spade a spade when it comes to the perpetual success of ESPN's favorite teams.

TDog
10-31-2013, 09:54 PM
Ah, the old argument that, unless the Yankees and Red Sox never ever ever....ever! have one bad season, there is no merit to pointing out the correlation between their sky-high payroll and their nearly annual playoff appearances. Sorry, I think pointing to the 2012 Red Sox or 2013 Yankees as great examples of the hardships these teams can endure is simply misleading.

Yes, there are definitely bad 2013 teams with high payroll and bad/expensive contracts to be found on that list. The Phillies are way up there. That'll always be the case. Still doesn't mean we can't call a spade a spade when it comes to the perpetual success of ESPN's favorite teams.

I haven't watched ESPN in years, so I don't know if or why that would even be relevant. And I don't believe people pointing to the 2012 Red Sox or the 2013 Angels, for that matter or numerous other teams in numerous other years are at all misleading.

I just don't believe payroll is as big an issue as some insist on making it out to be.

SaltyPretzel
10-31-2013, 10:05 PM
What a bunch of jackass morons

http://deadspin.com/boston-fails-to-celebrate-like-its-been-there-before-1455865055

You would think in the age of cameraphones and social media people would learn. Have fun in jail, jackasses.

SOX ADDICT '73
11-02-2013, 12:14 PM
...This is the 8th World Series title for Boston. They're only one behind the A's now on the all-time list.
It may have been brought up already in this thread, but is anyone else getting sick of hearing about how "this is the first World Series Boston has won AT HOME since 1918," as if that's some kind of monumental accomplishment? Are they trying to divert our attention from the fact that this "star-crossed" team and their "long-suffering" fans have now won three titles in ten years? Shut up, already. :rolleyes:

TDog
11-02-2013, 04:14 PM
It may have been brought up already in this thread, but is anyone else getting sick of hearing about how "this is the first World Series Boston has won AT HOME since 1918," as if that's some kind of monumental accomplishment? Are they trying to divert our attention from the fact that this "star-crossed" team and their "long-suffering" fans have now won three titles in ten years? Shut up, already. :rolleyes:

The White Sox haven't won a World Series at home since 1906. The road in that series was Chicago as well so winning on the road wouldn't have been such a big deal. The other two championships were achieved in New York and Houston. The Cubs fans consider themselves soul mates with the Red Sox fans (note, though, that the Red Sox are the most successful AL team of the beginning of this century just as they were the most successful AL team for the first two decades of the last), And the Cubs have never won the World Series at home. Oddly enough, the Cubs have only won World Series championships in Detroit.

I know White Sox fans are frustrated, at least for as long as I've been alive, but I can't imagine fans would be making a big deal about 1906 if they were on the verge of winning the World Series at home. Maybe that's because 190-whatever is more of a Cubs thing.

But maybe if this winning-at-home thing catches on, the Cubs can be considered to have never won the World Series in any significant way and their fans have justification to pretend 2005 never happened. One can only imagine the parade if it ever happens for the Cubs, as long as it doesn't happen insignificantly in Houston.