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tstrike2000
08-15-2013, 10:26 PM
Enough of this *******. I don't care how bad the Sox are, please pitch anyone else.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
08-15-2013, 10:28 PM
Troncoso - the reliever who may overtake Ryan Bukvich as most hated relief pitcher in Sox history?

DumpJerry
08-15-2013, 10:32 PM
Enough of this *******. I don't care how bad the Sox are, please pitch anyone else.
Letting Alexei off the hook for this one?

tstrike2000
08-15-2013, 10:35 PM
Letting Alexei off the hook for this one?

No, his mistakes have hurt the team this year and Nate Jones made yet another bad pitch to Morneau to give up a run. Troncoso, however, is just a guy I wish they'd just release. Work out a trade and get Casper Wells back to pitch if they have to.

ChiSoxGal85
08-15-2013, 10:42 PM
To say I've not been impressed with Ramon Troncoso would be an understatement. Seriously, there's no one else we can bring up from Charlotte?

amsteel
08-15-2013, 10:48 PM
Troncoso in, other team wins.

Brian26
08-15-2013, 11:15 PM
Troncoso - the reliever who may overtake Ryan Bukvich as most hated relief pitcher in Sox history?

LOL, I was just thinking about fitting Troncoso would have been in the 2007 Sox bullpen.

voodoochile
08-15-2013, 11:21 PM
Not much left now that Thornton and Crain have left is there?

DSpivack
08-16-2013, 12:03 AM
Troncoso - the reliever who may overtake Ryan Bukvich as most hated relief pitcher in Sox history?

Neither. Jose Paniagua.

JB98
08-16-2013, 12:05 AM
To say I've not been impressed with Ramon Troncoso would be an understatement. Seriously, there's no one else we can bring up from Charlotte?

Unfortunately, Simon Castro has been beyond horrible ever since the Sox optioned him back to Charlotte. Daniel Webb and Jake Petricka have been pitching pretty well out of the pen in AAA. I would guess we won't see either of those two until Sept. 1 though.

Deunte Heath is pitching well also, but I think we've seen enough of him at the major-league level now to know he's a Quad-A type.

DrCrawdad
08-16-2013, 12:17 AM
... I want the Sox to win and I especially hate losses to divisional rivals but at this point screw it grab the best place in the draft they can.

:whiner:

Tragg
08-16-2013, 12:31 AM
Why is Troncoso on this team? He's an organizational minor leaguer.
They had Castro up for a (short) while and sent him down. Why not bring him back up?
The Sox did the same thing in the last poor season, with Bukvich and Myers.

captain54
08-16-2013, 12:32 AM
Troncoso - the reliever who may overtake Ryan Bukvich as most hated relief pitcher in Sox history?

Billy Koch and Bob "Gascan" Howry come to mind, as well..

RCWHITESOX
08-16-2013, 12:39 AM
They can unload Axelrod along with him. Just another waste of space.

DSpivack
08-16-2013, 01:48 AM
Billy Koch and Bob "Gascan" Howry come to mind, as well..

Koch I don't hate all that much, despite his struggles he clearly knew he was struggling and owned up to it. It was more sad than anything else.

And at least Howry had a couple decent seasons before breaking down.

I stand by my earlier answer: Jose Paniagua.

doublem23
08-16-2013, 02:08 AM
Troncoso, however, is just a guy I wish they'd just release. Work out a trade and get Casper Wells back to pitch if they have to.

At this point, everytime I see Troncoso warming in the pen, I just turn the game off and do something else. I can't think of a time I regretted that decision off the of my head.

Chez
08-16-2013, 07:39 AM
Most seasons your bullpen will have one guy (tops) who can be described as a garbage time pitcher -- a guy who usually only gets in when the game is out of hand or there is no one else available. After Thornton and Crain were traded, half our bullpen is made up of "garbage-timers" (Troncoso, Axelrod and Veal). Another guy (Purcey) has pitched well enough recently to now be a "near garbage-timer." Others (Heath and Omogrosso) were horrible in garbage-time auditions and are back in the minors.

This is what happens when you re-build. Garbage-timers pitch the 9th in a tie ballgame.

It's hard to believe Veal was so good last season and so bad this season.

Jerko
08-16-2013, 09:03 AM
Yes the bullpen sucks and there isn't much to choose from anymore, but with all the Ozzie-like LRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLR bullpen moves lately, how many more times is Nate Jones going to pitch to Morneau? So much for my goal of just seeing smart decent baseball for the rest of the season. Garbage through and through.

kittle42
08-16-2013, 09:28 AM
Hasn't the argument, "There must be someone better in AAA" been proven wrong enough this season, due to one the AAA callups being worse than the next repeatedly?

Tragg
08-16-2013, 09:47 AM
Hasn't the argument, "There must be someone better in AAA" been proven wrong enough this season, due to one the AAA callups being worse than the next repeatedly?

That's okay - keep digging. One of these failed starter prospects will eventually find a home in the bullpen. Nothing to lose with Veal and Troncoso out there. Castro was up for a few games and did fine.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
08-16-2013, 09:54 AM
Koch I don't hate all that much, despite his struggles he clearly knew he was struggling and owned up to it. It was more sad than anything else.

And at least Howry had a couple decent seasons before breaking down.

I stand by my earlier answer: Jose Paniagua.

Didn't Koch end up getting diagnosed with some kind of disorder? I really can't hate him if he was sick, even if he was horrible in 03-04.

I say Troncoso was worse than Paniagua. Hard to say he was the worst reliever in Sox history, even if he did give up 4 runs in 0.1 innings in his only appearance ever and flipped the fans off afterwards. Troncoso flips the fans off every time he steps on the mound and attempts to pitch.

Brutal. Just brutal.

SCCWS
08-16-2013, 10:26 AM
It's hard to believe Veal was so good last season and so bad this season.

Veal goes bad if you don't refrigerate it.

hawkjt
08-16-2013, 12:05 PM
I am at the point that while I want to beat the Tigers to irritate them, otherwise, I want individual players like Garcia to excel,but I am fine with losing games to secure that #2 draft slot.

We know a good bullpen would have saved a number of games recently,but we also know that we traded away much of our good bullpen occupants.

Axelrod and Troncoso are like white flags coming in from the bullpen...we give up!

roylestillman
08-16-2013, 12:09 PM
Veal goes bad if you don't refrigerate it.

My favorite line of the year so far regarding the pen: "I hear the Veal Troncoso is not very good here."

JB98
08-16-2013, 12:40 PM
That's okay - keep digging. One of these failed starter prospects will eventually find a home in the bullpen. Nothing to lose with Veal and Troncoso out there. Castro was up for a few games and did fine.

Castro is horse**** and doesn't belong with the Sox. Check his numbers in the minors and look at his last few outings. It hasn't been pretty. He's given up 16 ER in 11.1 innings since he was optioned.

As I indicated earlier in the thread, I think Petricka and Webb might both be in line for a September callup. Both have been pitching well out of the pen in Charlotte. Webb hasn't given up an earned run in over a month.

Hitmen77
08-16-2013, 02:07 PM
Troncoso - the reliever who may overtake Ryan Bukvich as most hated relief pitcher in Sox history?

I don't think Troncoso is even close to being the most hated Sox relief pitcher. The reason is that this team is so bad, I don't think most fans are really getting an ulcer over Ramon Tronosco.

Bukvich played for the lousy 2007 team, but at least more people still cared when he was getting lit up. It's tough to beat Paniagua as far as hatred is concerned. The Sox were actually hoping to win the division when he pitched for us.

Tragg
08-16-2013, 02:13 PM
Castro is horse**** and doesn't belong with the Sox. Check his numbers in the minors and look at his last few outings. It hasn't been pretty. He's given up 16 ER in 11.1 innings since he was optioned.

As I indicated earlier in the thread, I think Petricka and Webb might both be in line for a September callup. Both have been pitching well out of the pen in Charlotte. Webb hasn't given up an earned run in over a month.

Those are legitimate prospects. We aren't going to call them up until September.
But there are many other minor leaguers we can try out for bullpen duty, including Castro.

The comparison to Bukvich is a good one. Hated may not be the right word: I'm think inept or pathetic.

Huisj
08-16-2013, 02:16 PM
Bukvich would probably be an asset to the bullpen right now. A 5 ERA in 2007 was quite a bit better than a 5.3 ERA is now (about what Troncoso is at).

captain54
08-16-2013, 02:30 PM
Troncoso's best (and only) year was 09' Since then he declined until the Dodgers released him last year. What made the Sox think he could work out? I would love to know what their "scouts" saw in this bum..

Did they think Don Cooper Magic Fairy dust was gonna bring him back from the dead? or was it another case, get a guy at bargain basement rates, cross your fingers, and hope he catches fire?

TaylorStSox
08-16-2013, 02:35 PM
Why is Troncoso on this team? He's an organizational minor leaguer.
They had Castro up for a (short) while and sent him down. Why not bring him back up?
The Sox did the same thing in the last poor season, with Bukvich and Myers.

There's something wrong with Castro's arm/shoulder. He's lost 10mph off is fastball.

Tragg
08-16-2013, 02:42 PM
Troncoso's best (and only) year was 09' Since then he declined until the Dodgers released him last year. What made the Sox think he could work out? I would love to know what their "scouts" saw in this bum..

Did they think Don Cooper Magic Fairy dust was gonna bring him back from the dead? or was it another case, get a guy at bargain basement rates, cross your fingers, and hope he catches fire?

Who knows. We signed Greene after the Astros cut him.

dickallen15
08-16-2013, 02:49 PM
Troncoso's best (and only) year was 09' Since then he declined until the Dodgers released him last year. What made the Sox think he could work out? I would love to know what their "scouts" saw in this bum..

Did they think Don Cooper Magic Fairy dust was gonna bring him back from the dead? or was it another case, get a guy at bargain basement rates, cross your fingers, and hope he catches fire?
He was the 4th or 5th guy they called up from Charlotte. Its not like they were expecting great things. I suppose his success long ago and the fact he can throw 95 probably inspired them to take a shot, something every team does. He obviously was not being counted on to provide a stellar performance.

samurai_sox
08-16-2013, 04:54 PM
Troncoso - the reliever who may overtake Ryan Bukvich as most hated relief pitcher in Sox history?

Mike ****ing MacDougal.

GoSox2K3
08-16-2013, 05:34 PM
Castro is horse**** and doesn't belong with the Sox. Check his numbers in the minors and look at his last few outings. It hasn't been pretty. He's given up 16 ER in 11.1 innings since he was optioned.

As I indicated earlier in the thread, I think Petricka and Webb might both be in line for a September callup. Both have been pitching well out of the pen in Charlotte. Webb hasn't given up an earned run in over a month.

I can't keep track of the lousy prospects we got in return for trading major league veterans (Sergio Santos, Edwin Jackson, and Carlos Quentin). It looks like he's the "horse****" we got for Quentin.

GoSox2K3
08-16-2013, 05:35 PM
Mike ****ing MacDougal.

At least we didn't sign Troncoso to a 3-year extension.

SCCWS
08-16-2013, 05:42 PM
At least we didn't sign Troncoso to a 3-year extension.

So far................

TaylorStSox
08-16-2013, 06:02 PM
I can't keep track of the lousy prospects we got in return for trading major league veterans (Sergio Santos, Edwin Jackson, and Carlos Quentin). It looks like he's the "horse****" we got for Quentin.

Quentin is good, but constantly hurt. Santos has pitches a total of 16 innings in 2 years. Jackson is currently sporting a 5.05 ERA in the NL and turned into Webb who might be our future closer. We gave away garbage and got garbage back.