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doublem23
07-30-2013, 02:22 PM
Continue...

Tekijawa
07-30-2013, 02:38 PM
Did anyone bring up that we should trade Dunn yet?

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 02:54 PM
Did anyone bring up that we should trade Dunn yet?

They should trade whatever that color is for teal.
:D:

VMSNS
07-30-2013, 03:12 PM
Kansas City has discussed Beckham.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/22942472/royals-seeking-2b-upgrade-have-discussed-beckham-kendrick

EMel9281
07-30-2013, 03:34 PM
Per @scottmerkin, Yankees have renewed interest in Rios.

I don't care where he goes as long as he goes...

mzh
07-30-2013, 03:56 PM
It's been a loooong time since we've have one of these 1000+ post multi threads of frantic speculation and rumor-mongering. Ain't nothing like it :redneck

KyWhiSoxFan
07-30-2013, 04:00 PM
It's been a loooong time since we've have one of these 1000+ post multi threads of frantic speculation and rumor-mongering. Ain't nothing like it :redneck

It shows how desperate we are.

dwalteroo
07-30-2013, 04:04 PM
It shows how desperate we are.

And this is actually better and more interesting than the regular season this year.

SoxSpeed22
07-30-2013, 04:09 PM
It shows how desperate we are.

And this is actually better and more interesting than the regular season this year.I would agree with this, this trade deadline is really all we have left until September call-ups. And even then, we have to hope those guys can show us something.

soxfanreggie
07-30-2013, 04:33 PM
I would agree with this, this trade deadline is really all we have left until September call-ups. And even then, we have to hope those guys can show us something.

Auditions for next season. Up for grabs: pitching, OF, IF, and catcher...pretty much anywhere.

Mr. Jinx
07-30-2013, 04:53 PM
Auditions for next season. Up for grabs: pitching, OF, IF, and catcher...pretty much anywhere.

Southpaw has been slacking a bit lately too, might want to add mascot up for grabs to the list.

DumpJerry
07-30-2013, 05:49 PM
I hear Tampa is offering that Crain guy for Chris Sale.

slavko
07-30-2013, 05:59 PM
It's been a loooong time since we've have one of these 1000+ post multi threads of frantic speculation and rumor-mongering. Ain't nothing like it :redneck


Baseball's a part of our lives. This is what fans of losing teams do. We've had so many mediocre seasons we don't remember how it is that you deal with really bad. When the bad becomes long-lasting, and I think it will, we will rationalize our way through that, as well.

You know, "the new manager will change everything and then nothing changes", "the AA phenom will turn things around and he can't hit" and so on.

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 06:08 PM
@Buster_ESPN (http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN) White Sox are said to be sticking to high asking price for Peavy. Teams are wondering if they'll get more flexible as deadline nears.
5:54pm - 30 Jul 13

God, this has been all over the place.

XplodingScorbord
07-30-2013, 06:13 PM
Perhaps this has been covered in a previous thread and I have forgotten: With the D'backs/Peavy talk heating up (at least a little), anyone have a feel on who they have that we might want or realistically get in such a deal?

TheVulture
07-30-2013, 06:18 PM
In Pt. II of this thread some people were talking about how they don't want to see more trades for B and C prospects who have no chance of making it in the bigs. If they had no chance of making it in the bigs, they wouldn't be B and C prospects, they would be unrated prospects. Any prospect C+ or better is a good prospect assuming they are graded accurately. A B prospect is supposed to mean it's a prospect with a good chance of being a solid everyday player and many B or lower players have ended up being excellent players. Doug Fister, for example, was never rated above C, I think we'd all probably take him on this team though.

XplodingScorbord
07-30-2013, 06:22 PM
God, this has been all over the place.

Yeah, this is ridiculous. In the span of three hours the Yankees interest in Rios was both renewed and pretty much over. These guys are just makin' stuff up I think!

6:16pm: ESPN's Buster Olney tweets (https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/362350616045035520) that the Yankees aren't interested in Rios having already acquired Alfonso Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) with Curtis Granderson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grandcu01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) on the mend.
6:11pm: The Pirates' interest in Rios is losing steam, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin (https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/362348713512939520).
3:27pm: The Yankees have renewed interest in Rios, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin (https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/362308357446582272), though he'd have to approve a trade. On Friday, Rios bristled (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/16379/rios-vents-about-false-trade-rumors) at the suggestion he'd rejected potential a deal to the Yanks.

shes
07-30-2013, 06:26 PM
Perhaps this has been covered in a previous thread and I have forgotten: With the D'backs/Peavy talk heating up (at least a little), anyone have a feel on who they have that we might want or realistically get in such a deal?

Bradley's probably the only prospect that would elicit a response of laughter if Rick asked. I would be ecstatic with a package built around any of Eaton (OF), Owings (SS), Davidson (3B), or Trahan (C). They've also got a lot of lefty starters that project well. Maybe we could nab one of those.

russ99
07-30-2013, 06:35 PM
Yeah, this is ridiculous. In the span of three hours the Yankees interest in Rios was both renewed and pretty much over. These guys are just makin' stuff up I think!

6:16pm: ESPN's Buster Olney tweets (https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/362350616045035520) that the Yankees aren't interested in Rios having already acquired Alfonso Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) with Curtis Granderson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grandcu01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) on the mend.
6:11pm: The Pirates' interest in Rios is losing steam, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin (https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/362348713512939520).
3:27pm: The Yankees have renewed interest in Rios, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin (https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/362308357446582272), though he'd have to approve a trade. On Friday, Rios bristled (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/16379/rios-vents-about-false-trade-rumors) at the suggestion he'd rejected potential a deal to the Yanks.

I always take Olney with a grain of salt, as he's keyed in with all the agents, and most of what he puts out is spin.

Merkin is the more reliable source here.

KRS1
07-30-2013, 07:26 PM
I always take Olney with a grain of salt, as he's keyed in with all the agents, and most of what he puts out is spin.

Merkin is the more reliable source here.
Yeah, the big guys like Olney are merely satisfying their audience with the high volume stuff for more hits, that's his job. While Buster may break something sooner about our club, Merkin will put out the facts as soon as they are confirmed from the club itself, because that's his job.

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 07:44 PM
Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 1m (https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/362372652251348993)
Hearing buzz about 3-way trade talks: Peavy to #dbacks (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23dbacks&src=hash), Kennedy to #angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23angels&src=hash). Not sure who #whitesox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whitesox&src=hash) would get.

CoopaLoop
07-30-2013, 07:55 PM
Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick1m (https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/362372652251348993)
Hearing buzz about 3-way trade talks: Peavy to #dbacks (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23dbacks&src=hash), Kennedy to #angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23angels&src=hash). Not sure who #whitesox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whitesox&src=hash) would get.

One top 100 guy from each? I am liking this kind of scenario

Wedema
07-30-2013, 07:57 PM
Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick1m (https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/362372652251348993)
Hearing buzz about 3-way trade talks: Peavy to #dbacks (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23dbacks&src=hash), Kennedy to #angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23angels&src=hash). Not sure who #whitesox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whitesox&src=hash) would get.


Mike Trout?

thomas35forever
07-30-2013, 07:58 PM
Why not? The Dbacks owe us for Hudson.

shingo10
07-30-2013, 07:58 PM
Yeah, this is ridiculous. In the span of three hours the Yankees interest in Rios was both renewed and pretty much over. These guys are just makin' stuff up I think!

6:16pm: ESPN's Buster Olney tweets (https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/362350616045035520) that the Yankees aren't interested in Rios having already acquired Alfonso Soriano (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) with Curtis Granderson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grandcu01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) on the mend.
6:11pm: The Pirates' interest in Rios is losing steam, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin (https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/362348713512939520).
3:27pm: The Yankees have renewed interest in Rios, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin (https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/362308357446582272), though he'd have to approve a trade. On Friday, Rios bristled (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/16379/rios-vents-about-false-trade-rumors) at the suggestion he'd rejected potential a deal to the Yanks.


Doesn't Rios have a no trade clause to New York?

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 08:00 PM
Why not? The Dbacks owe us for Hudson.

Interestingly enough, one of the prospects the Sox are interested in is David Holmberg.

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 08:18 PM
Rios better not be hurt!

QCIASOXFAN
07-30-2013, 08:20 PM
Rios better not be hurt!

No kidding. Worst timing ever.

CoopaLoop
07-30-2013, 08:31 PM
Rios better not be hurt!

That's so Rios.

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 08:34 PM
That's so Rios.

More like that's so 2013 White Sox luck.

Domeshot17
07-30-2013, 09:11 PM
Nothing but speculation so far, but Twitter has blown up with rumors of Jackie Bradley Jr. and Jose Iglesias for Peavy

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 09:16 PM
Mike DiGiovanna ‏@MikeDiGiovanna 1m (https://twitter.com/MikeDiGiovanna/status/362395738375864320)
#Angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Angels&src=hash) 3B Alberto Callaspo comes out of the game in the bottom of the fifth.

Maybe he is coming to the Sox

mzh
07-30-2013, 09:17 PM
Nothing but speculation so far, but Twitter has blown up with rumors of Jackie Bradley Jr. and Jose Iglesias for Peavy
Don't know bout y'all, but I would not be disappointed at all by that package. I wonder if that would be contingent on a Ramirez deal.

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 09:18 PM
Nothing but speculation so far, but Twitter has blown up with rumors of Jackie Bradley Jr. and Jose Iglesias for Peavy

All I've seen so far:

@JonHeymanCBS (http://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS) hearing jackie bradley jr isn't involved in peavy talks. not sure about lee. of course could be anther reason pulled.
8:40pm - 30 Jul 13

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 09:18 PM
Nothing but speculation so far, but Twitter has blown up with rumors of Jackie Bradley Jr. and Jose Iglesias for Peavy

Bradley has a minor injury

SoxSpeed22
07-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Mike DiGiovanna ‏@MikeDiGiovanna1m (https://twitter.com/MikeDiGiovanna/status/362395738375864320)
#Angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Angels&src=hash) 3B Alberto Callaspo comes out of the game in the bottom of the fifth.

Maybe he is coming to the SoxThe Yankees would make a lot more sense. Maybe they know the writing's on the wall with A-Rod.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/22944295/yankees-show-interest-in-alberto-callaspo

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 09:23 PM
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS43s (https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/362397550931738626)
#redsox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23redsox&src=hash) are in serious talks for jake peavy

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN1m (https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/362398827342340096)
The Red Sox and White Sox have been talking about Jake Peavy, and sources say it's got legs.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 31s (https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/362399338950963200)
Red Sox have lurked as favorites for Peavy, and opposing executives are convinced they're going to do something big. This would qualify.

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 09:23 PM
The Yankees would make a lot more sense. Maybe they know the writing's on the wall with A-Rod.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/22944295/yankees-show-interest-in-alberto-callaspo

You're probably right...

Domeshot17
07-30-2013, 09:27 PM
Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 1m
Spoke to a White Sox source who laughed at all the Peavy trade rumors. Don't believe everything you read. Been many smoke screens.

The Immigrant
07-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 1m
Spoke to a White Sox source who laughed at all the Peavy trade rumors. Don't believe everything you read. Been many smoke screens.

Gee, thanks for enlightening us Chuckles.

SoxSpeed22
07-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Mike DiGiovanna ‏@MikeDiGiovanna1m (https://twitter.com/MikeDiGiovanna/status/362395738375864320)
#Angels (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Angels&src=hash) 3B Alberto Callaspo comes out of the game in the bottom of the fifth.

Maybe he is coming to the Sox

The Yankees would make a lot more sense. Maybe they know the writing's on the wall with A-Rod.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/22944295/yankees-show-interest-in-alberto-callaspo

You're probably right...Never mind, he's going north to Oakland.
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal) 50s (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/362399917353873408) Source: Callaspo headed to #Athletics (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Athletics&src=hash).

Domeshot17
07-30-2013, 09:33 PM
Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 1m
The White Sox and Red Sox are reviewing medical records on a possible Jake Peavy deal.

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 09:34 PM
https://twitter.com/buster_espn/status/362400187018248192

Sounds like a deal is close with the Sawx.

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 09:34 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/362400411514175489)
Source: #RedSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RedSox&src=hash) close to acquiring #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash)’s Peavy.

SoxSpeed22
07-30-2013, 09:37 PM
It happened.
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS (https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS) 44s (https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/362401280523649026) red sox and white sox have a peavy deal.

TaylorStSox
07-30-2013, 09:38 PM
Done

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 09:38 PM
Iglesias may be in the deal:

https://twitter.com/jonheymancbs/status/362401451848380416

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 09:39 PM
Shuster says Peavy has been traded to the Red Sox and the deal will be announced Wed Per FB post

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 09:40 PM
If Iglesias is involved, have to imagine a deal for Alexei isn't too far behind.

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 09:41 PM
Iglesias may be in the deal:

https://twitter.com/jonheymancbs/status/362401451848380416

I like Iglesias but sure hope that's not it.
This move would also indicate that Ramirez or Beckham is being moved.

soxfanreggie
07-30-2013, 09:41 PM
If Iglesias is involved, have to imagine a deal for Alexei isn't too far behind.

I'm hearing Iglesias too and ok with trading Alexei.

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 09:41 PM
Iglesias may be in the deal:

https://twitter.com/jonheymancbs/status/362401451848380416

I'd love it if we got him

WisSoxFan
07-30-2013, 09:42 PM
Tell me about Iglesias. Sounds like a good deal from what little I know.

Brian26
07-30-2013, 09:43 PM
Jose Iglesias:

credit to: http://www.soxprospects.com/players/iglesias-jose.htm


Scouting Report: Elite defensive skills highlighted by extremely fluid hands and soft glove. Excellent instincts and anticipation produces his well above-average range. Will get to balls that most, if not all, will not. Plus, accurate arm. Adept at throwing on the move and has outstanding body control. Future perennial Gold Glove shortstop. Grades as an "80" defensively. Can also play second and third base more than adequately. Major-league ready in the field. Plus bat speed accented by quick wrists. Low maintenance, compact swing. Little lower body in swing mechanics. Pulls ball hard, but struggles driving the ball the other way. Minimal power projection. Can evolve into a solid-average hitter for batting average and show doubles power as he matures. Small frame with not much more room to pack on muscle. Extremely impatient approach. Making strides and improving with understanding of his strike zone, but inexperienced professionally and very age advanced. Neglects to cover outer third of plate with eyes. Struggles staying back against breaking balls. Must improve with handling of off-speed stuff to hit consistently at big-league level. Above-average speed. Projects as #9 hitter in first division team's lineup, with ceiling of #2 hitter as he approaches his late-20s. Due to advanced defensive skills will most likely learn to hit at the major-league level and slowly ramp into becoming more proficient at the plate over the course of big-league career.

soltrain21
07-30-2013, 09:43 PM
Shuster says Peavy has been traded to the Red Sox and the deal will be announced Wed Per FB post

Me thinks it'll be far quicker than that.

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 09:44 PM
I like Iglesias but sure hope that's not it.
This move would also indicate that Ramirez or Beckham is being moved.

Sounds like more players involved. Pending physicals of course.

@JonHeymanCBS (http://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS) iglesias is believed to be in peavy deal, going to white sox. multiple players tho.
9:38pm - 30 Jul 13

Brian26
07-30-2013, 09:44 PM
So this dude sounds a little bit like a latin version of Beckham.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 09:44 PM
I'm hearing Iglesias too and ok with trading Alexei.
Is it just him?

kittle42
07-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Extremely impatient approach.

Perfect for the Sox!

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 1m
Sources tell @bradfo & me that Red Sox in advanced talks w/White Sox, Tigers on 3-way deal bringing Peavy to Boston http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/07/30/red-sox-working-on-three-way-deal-with-white-sox-tigers-to-acquire-jake-peavy/ …

Domeshot17
07-30-2013, 09:46 PM
Twitter just lit up with a rumor this is a 3 team deal with Detroit, and Jackie Bradley Jr. is not part of it....

IF its just Iglesias and B specs for Peavy, we got hosed. Excited to see the full deal.

Brian26
07-30-2013, 09:47 PM
Yeah I was hoping they could get the kids from Pittsburgh that I read about.

#1swisher
07-30-2013, 09:47 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier (https://twitter.com/alexspeier) 2m (https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/362403203670753280)

Sources tell @bradfo (https://twitter.com/bradfo) & me that Red Sox in advanced talks w/White Sox, Tigers on 3-way deal bringing Peavy to Boston

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/07/30/red-sox-working-on-three-way-deal-with-white-sox-tigers-to-acquire-jake-peavy/ … (http://t.co/304AIQGJQR)

WisSoxFan
07-30-2013, 09:47 PM
Jose Iglesias:

credit to: http://www.soxprospects.com/players/iglesias-jose.htm


Scouting Report: Elite defensive skills highlighted by extremely fluid hands and soft glove. Excellent instincts and anticipation produces his well above-average range. Will get to balls that most, if not all, will not. Plus, accurate arm. Adept at throwing on the move and has outstanding body control. Future perennial Gold Glove shortstop. Grades as an "80" defensively. Can also play second and third base more than adequately. Major-league ready in the field. Plus bat speed accented by quick wrists. Low maintenance, compact swing. Little lower body in swing mechanics. Pulls ball hard, but struggles driving the ball the other way. Minimal power projection. Can evolve into a solid-average hitter for batting average and show doubles power as he matures. Small frame with not much more room to pack on muscle. Extremely impatient approach. Making strides and improving with understanding of his strike zone, but inexperienced professionally and very age advanced. Neglects to cover outer third of plate with eyes. Struggles staying back against breaking balls. Must improve with handling of off-speed stuff to hit consistently at big-league level. Above-average speed. Projects as #9 hitter in first division team's lineup, with ceiling of #2 hitter as he approaches his late-20s. Due to advanced defensive skills will most likely learn to hit at the major-league level and slowly ramp into becoming more proficient at the plate over the course of big-league career.

Thanks. I always liked Peavy. Part of is sorry to see him go, but understand the reality. Seems like he got the Sox a potentially good one. Hope more are coming. Patience is a virtue.

#1swisher
07-30-2013, 09:48 PM
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier (https://twitter.com/alexspeier) 2m (https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/362403203670753280)

Sources tell @bradfo (https://twitter.com/bradfo) & me that Red Sox in advanced talks w/White Sox, Tigers on 3-way deal bringing Peavy to Boston

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/07/30/red-sox-working-on-three-way-deal-with-white-sox-tigers-to-acquire-jake-peavy/ … (http://t.co/304AIQGJQR)

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(http://t.co/304AIQGJQR)Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi (https://twitter.com/jonmorosi) 3m (https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/362403516880404480)
Jackie Bradley is not in the Peavy deal, I am told.

KRS1
07-30-2013, 09:48 PM
I like Iglesias but sure hope that's not it.
This move would also indicate that Ramirez or Beckham is being moved.
Ditto, he's a mighty fine prospect but I think he's hitting well over his head and has inflated value.

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 09:49 PM
Alexei maybe headed to DET in this deal

https://twitter.com/jimbowdenespnxm/status/362403982846599169

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 09:49 PM
Tigers get Iglesias

https://twitter.com/dannyknoblercbs/status/362404229039661056

#1swisher
07-30-2013, 09:49 PM
JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm (https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm) 53s (https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm/status/362404432287236096)

What we know:Callaspo was traded from LAA to Oak for Green; Peavy was traded to Bos;Iglesias to Det (protection for Peralta) adn now we wait

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 09:50 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 36s
Exec’s speculation: Peavy to BOS, Iglesias to DET (to cover for Peralta suspension) and A. Garcia to CWS. Just speculation at this time.

Brian26
07-30-2013, 09:50 PM
Alexei Ramirez to the Tigers??? Is that possible?

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 09:51 PM
Alexei Ramirez to the Tigers??? Is that possible?

I would be ok with that. Am not ok with the Tigers getting Iglesias and the Sox getting Avisail Garcia.

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 09:52 PM
JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm 1m (https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm/status/362404755684868096)
so the unconfirmed 3rd party line is Peavy to Bos; Iglesias to Det; Garcia to CW...but there is more

#1swisher
07-30-2013, 09:52 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal) 1m (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/362404516366258176)

Exec’s speculation: Peavy to BOS, Iglesias to DET (to cover for Peralta suspension) and A. Garcia to CWS. Just speculation at this time.

Harry Potter
07-30-2013, 09:53 PM
So after all this, the Sox may have not gotten Iglesias (DET) or Bradley but Vagisil Garcia instead?

soltrain21
07-30-2013, 09:53 PM
Who is A Garcia?

RockJock07
07-30-2013, 09:54 PM
So after all this, the Sox may have not gotten Iglesias (DET) or Bradley but Vagisil Garcia instead?

Hope there is more, if this stands the Sox must not have ate as much money as Boston wanted.

JermaineDye05
07-30-2013, 09:54 PM
Who is A Garcia?

Avisail Garcia from the Tigers.

thomas35forever
07-30-2013, 09:54 PM
Who is A Garcia?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garciav01.shtml

Marqhead
07-30-2013, 09:55 PM
Who is A Garcia?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Andy_Garcia_at_the_2009_Deauville_American_Film_Fe stival-01A.jpg/220px-Andy_Garcia_at_the_2009_Deauville_American_Film_Fe stival-01A.jpg

I play a great mobster.

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 09:55 PM
Who is A Garcia?

Avisail Garcia. OF.

If that's the biggest piece we got, we got hosed.
Well at least all of those people screaming for a trade got one.

Brian26
07-30-2013, 09:55 PM
Speculation is now:
Alexei to Detroit
Peavy to Boston
Sox get Iglesias, Avisail Garcia and two pitching prospects (one from Det, one from Bos)

KRS1
07-30-2013, 09:55 PM
Who is A Garcia?
Avisail. He's a strikeout monster, I'd rather have Iglesias.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 09:55 PM
So after all this, the Sox may have not gotten Iglesias (DET) or Bradley but Vagisil Garcia instead?
His name is really Vagisil? oh Man

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 09:56 PM
A Garcia is suppose to be a baby Cabrera

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 09:56 PM
So after all this, the Sox may have not gotten Iglesias (DET) or Bradley but Vagisil Garcia instead?

:roflmao:

EMachine10
07-30-2013, 09:56 PM
Speculation is now:
Alexei to Detroit
Peavy to Boston
Sox get Iglesias, Avisail Garcia and two pitching prospects (one from Det, one from Bos)
Source?

Huisj
07-30-2013, 09:56 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garciav01.shtml

He looks like a young Miguel Cabrera at the plate (by looks, I mean his build and his stance and general appearance), but he seems to hit like a slap singles hitter and plays a mediocre outfield. At least that's what I've seen watching Tigers games the last few years. For some reason this doesn't really excite me much. I think I'd rather have Iglesias.

WhiteSox5187
07-30-2013, 09:58 PM
He looks like a young Miguel Cabrera at the plate (by looks, I mean his build and his stance and general appearance), but he seems to hit like a slap singles hitter and plays a mediocre outfield. At least that's what I've seen watching Tigers games the last few years. For some reason this doesn't really excite me much. I think I'd rather have Iglesias.

I liked what little I saw of Garcia last year. It was a very small sample size though.

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 09:58 PM
His name is really Vagisil? oh Man

No it's not. His name is Avisail.

MUsoxfan
07-30-2013, 09:59 PM
This Twitter nonsense is pure chaos. Nothing like running with unsubstantiated rumors.

Brian26
07-30-2013, 09:59 PM
credit to:

http://www.blessyouboys.com/detroit-tigers-prospect-report/2012/12/4/3725478/scouting-report-of-avisail-garcia

Summation:

Garcia is one of the most exciting prospects in the Tigers system, due to his athleticism and size combo. The biggest question lies with his hitting ability. If he can hit at an at least average level, his other tools should allow him to become an above-average regular. Potential to be an impact defender in RF due to defensive ability and plus-plus arm. Plus raw power and speed make him a true potential stud. Keep in mind that I said "potential". If his hitting ability never develops adequately, he can be a very good 4th OF, with good D, a plus plus arm, and good pop in his bat when he plays.

thomas35forever
07-30-2013, 10:02 PM
Obviously not a lot of info on Garcia to work with, but if he's raw and has a high ceiling, I'm excited to see what he can bring. Hope to see him in the field plenty these next two months.

Harry Potter
07-30-2013, 10:03 PM
Obviously not a lot of info on Garcia to work with, but if he's raw and has a high ceiling, I'm excited to see what he can bring. Hope to see him in the field plenty these next two months.

But is he "toolsy" ?

thomas35forever
07-30-2013, 10:04 PM
But is he "toolsy" ?
@georgeofman (https://twitter.com/georgeofman) 6m (https://twitter.com/georgeofman/status/362406584002940932)
Talking to Detroit people. Garcia 5 tool player. Very positive move for Sox and Tigers

#1swisher
07-30-2013, 10:05 PM
Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien (https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien) 3m (https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/362407196773974018)

This would be the first trade between the White Sox and Tigers since the Sox sent Kenny Williams to Detroit in 1989.


JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm (https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm) 5m (https://twitter.com/JimBowdenESPNxm/status/362406740601483266)

Avisail Garcia profiles out to 20HR 80RBI bat..not more; Iglesisas a great defender because of hands/angles/feet but not great range bat avg
Red Sox are now either going to promote Xander Bogaerts or Will Middlbrooks or trade for Michael Young

PalehosePlanet
07-30-2013, 10:06 PM
The Tigers rushed Garcia, bringing him up at 21. If we have indeed acquired this kid he should go to AAA. I do like his upside, but he needs better plate discipline.

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 10:07 PM
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 39s (https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/362408763338145792)
Great move by the #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash), not only dumping Peavy's contract, but getting Garcia from the #Tigers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Tigers&src=hash), an All-Star in waiting

mzh
07-30-2013, 10:08 PM
Given that one of the only sure things about Garcia is that he's got a plus glove and a Vlad Guerrero-type arm, I wonder if Rios will be on the move by tomorrow night. He is hitting .380 at AAA.

XplodingScorbord
07-30-2013, 10:11 PM
So is a trade involving Rios forthcoming, or do we keep him and let Garcia develop in the minors and hope to unload Rios this time next year?

soxfanreggie
07-30-2013, 10:11 PM
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 39s (https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/362408763338145792)
Great move by the #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash), not only dumping Peavy's contract, but getting Garcia from the #Tigers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Tigers&src=hash), an All-Star in waiting

Looks like they may be paying all $19 million left on the deal. That would likely impact the prospects we get in return.

DSpivack
07-30-2013, 10:12 PM
So is a trade involving Rios forthcoming, or do we keep him and let Garcia develop in the minors and hope to unload Rios this time next year?

Send Viciedo down, for all I care.

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 10:12 PM
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 39s (https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/362408763338145792)
Great move by the #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash), not only dumping Peavy's contract, but getting Garcia from the #Tigers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Tigers&src=hash), an All-Star in waiting

I sure hope he is right and that I am wrong in that Garcia doesnt impress me.

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 10:14 PM
Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes 4m
Iglesias to Tigers, 2 or 3 lesser prospects to White Sox, Det OF Avisal Garcia to White Sox, pitcher from Det also coming to Boston
Retweeted by Buster Olney

thomas35forever
07-30-2013, 10:15 PM
Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes 4m
Iglesias to Tigers, 2 or 3 lesser prospects to White Sox, Det OF Avisal Garcia to White Sox, pitcher from Det also coming to Boston
Retweeted by Buster Olney
How lesser? That's key here.

getonbckthr
07-30-2013, 10:15 PM
Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes 4m
Iglesias to Tigers, 2 or 3 lesser prospects to White Sox, Det OF Avisal Garcia to White Sox, pitcher from Det also coming to Boston
Retweeted by Buster Olney
So we are getting Garcia and 2-3 prospects?

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 10:16 PM
How lesser? That's key here.

Has to depend on how much $ the Red Sox are picking up. If all, then probably much lesser than we hope.

Boondock Saint
07-30-2013, 10:16 PM
So we are getting Garcia and 2-3 prospects?

I'd be a hell of a lot happier with this than with a 1 for 1 deal.

DSpivack
07-30-2013, 10:17 PM
How lesser? That's key here.

Guess we'll know soon enough. Not any of Boston's upper-level prospects, I'm guessing.

SCCWS
07-30-2013, 10:17 PM
According to WEEI in Boston, Hahn lowered his demands which made a trade possible. Bradley Jr is not in the trade. Looks like Boston kept their "untouchable prospects"

thomas35forever
07-30-2013, 10:18 PM
According to WEEI in Boston, Hahn lowered his demands which made a trade possible. Bradley Jr is not in the trade.
Oh boy. I have no clue if that's what he intended to have happen.

Domeshot17
07-30-2013, 10:19 PM
praying we atleast got Ranaudo but doubt it

getonbckthr
07-30-2013, 10:22 PM
Brayan Villareal?

dwalteroo
07-30-2013, 10:23 PM
Hey how serious is Rios' foot? Anyone know?

Marqhead
07-30-2013, 10:24 PM
Brayan Villareal?

Going to the Red Sox

Huisj
07-30-2013, 10:25 PM
I picture Garcia becoming a 6'4" outfielder version of Gordon Beckham. Looks like he should be an all around hitter, but really just gets lots of singles by spraying line drives all over while drawing no walks, plus good but not standout defense. He's like what Viciedo would be if Dayan had spent 6 years in the Twins farm system.

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 10:25 PM
Hey how serious is Rios' foot? Anyone know?

Not serious. X-rays were going to be taken as a precaution. Foot contusion is what it is being called. He should be fine.

dwalteroo
07-30-2013, 10:26 PM
Not serious. X-rays were going to be taken as a precaution. Foot contusion is what it is being called. He should be fine.

Like. Good, let's make a deal here Rick!

TaylorStSox
07-30-2013, 10:27 PM
Send Viciedo down, for all I care.

Viciedo's starting to look good. He's hitting tough RH and showing more patience. Kid's still gonna be a stud. Higher OPS than Beckham.

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 10:29 PM
#chisox land 3 prospects, low-level guys, from #redsox in peavy deal. also received avisail garcia from #tigers in 3-way.

per John Heyman

SCCWS
07-30-2013, 10:32 PM
Viciedo's starting to look good. He's hitting tough RH and showing more patience. Kid's still gonna be a stud. Higher OPS than Beckham.

He has had a solid July, offensively, hitting over .300

WisSoxFan
07-30-2013, 10:37 PM
Viciedo's starting to look good. He's hitting tough RH and showing more patience. Kid's still gonna be a stud. Higher OPS than Beckham.

I hope this makes sense but I like him better on this team. A chance to grow with what hopefully becomes a younger team. No pressure in terms of pennant race. Just learn the game, grow and if all goes according to plan he explodes to his potential as the Sox jump back onto the scene in 2015. A guy can dream right.

Now a real CFer is needed in between he and Garcia.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 10:37 PM
I'd be a hell of a lot happier with this than with a 1 for 1 deal.
If Jerry is flipping the bill I'm not.

Fastball23
07-30-2013, 10:37 PM
Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 25s (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/362416343955410944)
Alex Rios doesn't expect to miss much time, if any at all, after suffered foot contusion on Tuesday. #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash) http://bit.ly/13tz76M (http://bit.ly/13tz76M)

Very good news. I hope he is traded tomorrow

DSpivack
07-30-2013, 10:38 PM
He has had a solid July, offensively, hitting over .300

After a hot streak, his OPS is up to a whopping .725, now his numbers look pretty identical to his last year. His OPS+ last year was 98, this season it's 93. The Sox should be looking for a replacement LF, either now or in the offseason. He doesn't cut it.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 10:42 PM
After a hot streak, his OPS is up to a whopping .725, now his numbers look pretty identical to his last year. His OPS+ last year was 98, this season it's 93. The Sox should be looking for a replacement LF, either now or in the offseason. He doesn't cut it.
Agree. And now we have another strike out hitter to had to the 5 or 6 we already have

Rocky Soprano
07-30-2013, 10:43 PM
Rob Bradford ‏@bradfo 5m
.Per @AlexSpeier a minor leaguer Red Sox giving up 19-year-old shortstop Cleuluis Rondon of Single-A Lowell
Retweeted by Buster Olney

Boondock Saint
07-30-2013, 10:43 PM
If Jerry is flipping the bill I'm not.

Sincere question here, why does anybody here care about the money?

There isn't a salary cap, Hahn has gone on the record to state that Reinsdorf isn't forcing him to cut salary, and we just dealt from a position of strength to help repair the farm.

Why does it matter at all to anybody here if the Sox pick up some of the remaining salary on Peavy's deal?

soltrain21
07-30-2013, 10:44 PM
Rob Bradford ‏@bradfo 5m
.Per @AlexSpeier a minor leaguer Red Sox giving up 19-year-old shortstop Cleuluis Rondon of Single-A Lowell
Retweeted by Buster Olney

Awesome name.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 10:48 PM
Sincere question here, why does anybody here care about the money?

There isn't a salary cap, Hahn has gone on the record to state that Reinsdorf isn't forcing him to cut salary, and we just dealt from a position of strength to help repair the farm.

Why does it matter at all to anybody here if the Sox pick up some of the remaining salary on Peavy's deal?
I have asked that same question here and got bombed out saying I was Lip Man. I agree with you 100% when I hear people saying the Sox dumped Salary or this guy is paid to much etc. Personally I would of rather Jerry dumped that money and start using toward a better minor league system.

cws05champ
07-30-2013, 10:54 PM
Sincere question here, why does anybody here care about the money?

There isn't a salary cap, Hahn has gone on the record to state that Reinsdorf isn't forcing him to cut salary, and we just dealt from a position of strength to help repair the farm.

Why does it matter at all to anybody here if the Sox pick up some of the remaining salary on Peavy's deal?
Because we would get better prospects back in the deal if we pitch in some money. That's the way it works.

Stanley
07-30-2013, 10:55 PM
We got stuff for Peavy? Wonderful. Rios, Alexei, Dunn and Danks next. Thx.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 10:56 PM
We got stuff for Peavy? Wonderful. Rios, Alexei, Dunn and Danks next. Thx.
What we gave up to get Peavy and now what we have gotten in return. Fail

thomas35forever
07-30-2013, 10:59 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal) 1m (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/362421901815054336)
Deal official: Iglesias to DET for Garcia and Villareal, Garcia and minor leagues Wendelken, Montas, Rondon to CWS for Peavy.

Brian26
07-30-2013, 10:59 PM
What we gave up to get Peavy and now what we have gotten in return. Fail

Clayton Richard and three guys that I cannot remember their names? Aaron Poreda maybe?

Boondock Saint
07-30-2013, 11:00 PM
Because we would get better prospects back in the deal if we pitch in some money. That's the way it works.

That's not a given. The Red Sox may have been completely unwilling to part with top prospects at all.

soltrain21
07-30-2013, 11:01 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal) 1m (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/362421901815054336)
Deal official: Iglesias to DET for Garcia and Villareal, Garcia and minor leagues Wendelken, Montas, Rondon to CWS for Peavy.

That is such an awful worded tweet.

canOcorn
07-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Clayton Richard and three guys that I cannot remember their names? Aaron Poreda maybe?

Yeah, they ended up sucking, but it was an opportunity cost. The players they gave up were still viewed as valuable at the time.

TaylorStSox
07-30-2013, 11:05 PM
After a hot streak, his OPS is up to a whopping .725, now his numbers look pretty identical to his last year. His OPS+ last year was 98, this season it's 93. The Sox should be looking for a replacement LF, either now or in the offseason. He doesn't cut it.

He's playing above his age level and showing progress in a year that he's battled injuries. The Sox have a lot invested in him. We're rebuilding. He's not going anywhere.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 11:09 PM
Clayton Richard and three guys that I cannot remember their names? Aaron Poreda maybe? Adam Russell Dexter Carter and if you really want to compare the Cubs received more for Garza. with 2 players on the team already. We need another SO hitter like fish need sand.

TaylorStSox
07-30-2013, 11:10 PM
Adam Russell Dexter Carter and if you really want to compare the Cubs received more for Garza. with 2 players on the team already. We need another SO hitter like fish need sand.

Didn't we ge Dexter Carter back the next year? Man, the Padres got hosed in that one.

NardiWasHere
07-30-2013, 11:11 PM
I'm glad The Score is talking about the Cubs now.:?:

cws05champ
07-30-2013, 11:13 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal) 1m (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/362421901815054336)
Deal official: Iglesias to DET for Garcia and Villareal, Garcia and minor leagues Wendelken, Montas, Rondon to CWS for Peavy.
I like Garcia, but the rest I am not impressed with at all. To not get at least one of Boston's top 10 prospects like Bryce Bentz, Workman, Swihart or Cechhini is not good.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 11:16 PM
Didn't we ge Dexter Carter back the next year? Man, the Padres got hosed in that one.
Because he played football Kenny had to have him back. Give a Football player a bat and KW will grab him

Stanley
07-30-2013, 11:19 PM
I like Garcia, but the rest I am not impressed with at all. To not get at least one of Boston's top 10 prospects like Bryce Bentz, Workman, Swihart or Cechhini is not good.

Dude, why? Why are you not thankful we got rid of 20 mil wasted dollars and an injury prone pitcher well past his prime and got something in return? I mean, Garcia alone has a stance similar to Cabrera. That is all the reason I need to be happy.

cws05champ
07-30-2013, 11:24 PM
Dude, why? Why are you not thankful we got rid of 20 mil wasted dollars and an injury prone pitcher well past his prime and got something in return? I mean, Garcia alone has a stance similar to Cabrera. That is all the reason I need to be happy.
Oh....he looks like Cabrera??? Why didn't you say so, that makes it much better!

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 11:25 PM
Dude, why? Why are you not thankful we got rid of 20 mil wasted dollars and an injury prone pitcher well past his prime and got something in return? I mean, Garcia alone has a stance similar to Cabrera. That is all the reason I need to be happy.
You're happy because the guy has a similar stance to Cabrera? 20 mil. Into another bust F.A?

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 11:26 PM
Oh....he looks like Cabrera??? Why didn't you say so, that makes it much better!
and we sleep better tonight knowing he looks like Carbera.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 11:28 PM
Maybe he uses that money to pay someone to take Rios and Ramirez?

DSpivack
07-30-2013, 11:28 PM
He's playing above his age level and showing progress in a year that he's battled injuries. The Sox have a lot invested in him. We're rebuilding. He's not going anywhere.

He's 24. MLB is his age level. With 1000 MLB ABs, I don't think he's going to get any better. I'm not saying he should go anywhere right now, I'm saying that both now and in the offseason the Sox should be looking for a long-term replacement. I'm not exactly sure why CF is listed as a hole before LF. De Aza is comparatively much better than Viciedo.

XplodingScorbord
07-30-2013, 11:30 PM
Man this board is a trip. Half the posters wanted Peavy gone for salary relief, didn't care about the return. The other half is pissed we didn't get Ty Cobb and Cy Young in return.

doublem23
07-30-2013, 11:31 PM
Yeah, they ended up sucking, but it was an opportunity cost. The players they gave up were still viewed as valuable at the time.

Richard, Poreda, Dexter Carter, and Adam Russell

The only people who saw bright MLB futures for those guys was their moms.

Stanley
07-30-2013, 11:32 PM
and we sleep better tonight knowing he looks like Carbera.

Yeah, and all we had to give up for him was a guy that sort of looked like Kenny Chesney and was even more overpaid. I will likely not reach full r.e.m. sleep until Rios, Dunn, Danks are gone. Trust me.

DSpivack
07-30-2013, 11:33 PM
Richard, Poreda, Dexter Carter, and Adam Russell

The only people who saw bright MLB futures for those guys was their moms.

Not disagreeing with the overall argument, but I thought Poreda was a decent prospect at the time.

doublem23
07-30-2013, 11:34 PM
Before some other dull knife whines about the original Peavy deal...

WHITE SOX
Peavy - 10.1 WAR

PADRES
Richard - 0.3 WAR
Poreda - 0.0 WAR
Russell - 0.0 WAR
Carter - Never made the Majors

10.1 vs. 0.3

We won that deal pretty handidly. In fact, Richard and Poreda combined for better WAR with the Sox than the Padres.

doublem23
07-30-2013, 11:36 PM
Not disagreeing with the overall argument, but I thought Poreda was a decent prospect at the time.

Poreda had a big arm and a big fastball when the Sox drafted him and he projected to be a decent SP if he could ever add some off-speed or breaking stuff to his arsenal. His minor league numbers were good but by the time he hit the higher levels it became increasingly clear that he did not have the stuff to start in the Majors, which really compromised his value.

TaylorStSox
07-30-2013, 11:37 PM
He's 24. MLB is his age level. With 1000 MLB ABs, I don't think he's going to get any better. I'm not saying he should go anywhere right now, I'm saying that both now and in the offseason the Sox should be looking for a long-term replacement. I'm not exactly sure why CF is listed as a hole before LF. De Aza is comparatively much better than Viciedo.

De Aza is better than Viciedo? Lets come back to that in a few years. De Aza is also 30 and injury prone.

ZombieRob
07-30-2013, 11:37 PM
Before some other dull knife whines about the original Peavy deal...

WHITE SOX
Peavy - 10.1 WAR

PADRES
Richard - 0.3 WAR
Poreda - 0.0 WAR
Russell - 0.0 WAR
Carter - Never made the Majors

10.1 vs. 0.3

We won that deal pretty handidly. In fact, Richard and Poreda combined for better WAR with the Sox than the Padres.
At that time they were high on the Sox prospect list and considered a good haul. Now we have Viceido part 2 back for him. Garza cost the Rangers 4 solid prospects and we get 3 prospects and 1 of the pitchers is 3 and 13. he'll fit right in here.

TaylorStSox
07-30-2013, 11:38 PM
Poreda had a big arm and a big fastball when the Sox drafted him and he projected to be a decent SP if he could ever add some off-speed or breaking stuff to his arsenal. His minor league numbers were good but by the time he hit the higher levels it became increasingly clear that he did not have the stuff to start in the Majors, which really compromised his value.

Wasn't Poreda already coming out of the pen at the time? That was a pure salary dump trade for the Padres.

TaylorStSox
07-30-2013, 11:40 PM
At that time they were high on the Sox prospect list and considered a good haul. Now we have Viceido part 2 back for him. Garza cost the Rangers 4 solid prospects and we get 3 prospects and 1 of the pitchers is 3 and 13. he'll fit right in here.

That's just wrong. Poreda was already starting to bust and was a future reliever. Richard was an innings eater back of the rotation guy and not highly thought of. Dexter Carter threw hard, but couldn't throw strikes.

DSpivack
07-30-2013, 11:43 PM
At that time they were high on the Sox prospect list and considered a good haul. Now we have Viceido part 2 back for him. Garza cost the Rangers 4 solid prospects and we get 3 prospects and 1 of the pitchers is 3 and 13. he'll fit right in here.

How is Garcia similar to Viciedo? From what I have read about Garcia, he sounds like a very different hitter; if anything, he lacks power and hits for a high average. Quite the opposite to Dayan.

De Aza is better than Viciedo? Lets come back to that in a few years. De Aza is also 30 and injury prone.

Yes, De Aza is easily better. In 1200+ PAs for the White Sox, De Aza is hitting .286/.350/.432. In nearly 1100 PAs for the Sox, Viciedo is hitting .261/.305/.432. Viciedo also plays a position where strong hitting is more common than in CF. As I said, I'll be very surprised if you come back to it in a few years and Viciedo is anything more than what he has shown thus far, a slightly below-average hitting LFer.

Stanley
07-30-2013, 11:47 PM
De Aza is better than Viciedo? Lets come back to that in a few years. De Aza is also 30 and injury prone.

Viciedo also whiffs so hard he hurts himself. Has basically looked like Juan Uribe 1.5 his whole career. I'm not buying it at all, but anything can happen.

TaylorStSox
07-30-2013, 11:48 PM
How is Garcia similar to Viciedo? From what I have read about Garcia, he sounds like a very different hitter; if anything, he lacks power and hits for a high average. Quite the opposite to Dayan.



Yes, De Aza is easily better. In 1200+ PAs for the White Sox, De Aza is hitting .286/.350/.432. In nearly 1100 PAs for the Sox, Viciedo is hitting .261/.305/.432. Viciedo also plays a position where strong hitting is more common than in CF. As I said, I'll be very surprised if you come back to it in a few years and Viciedo is anything more than what he has shown thus far, a slightly below-average hitting LFer.
I meant how they project. Rebuilding teams hang on to Viciedo's and move De Aza's. Also, don't insult CF's by calling De Aza one.

Stanley
07-30-2013, 11:56 PM
I meant how they project. Rebuilding teams hang on to Viciedo's and move De Aza's. Also, don't insult CF's by calling De Aza one.

Smart rebuilding teams trade Viciedo for pretty much whatever you can get after last years anomaly. Watching Viciedo's plate approach is headache inducing and he seems rather uncoachable at this point, too.

LoveYourSuit
07-30-2013, 11:59 PM
Lyle Mouton looked like Frank Thomas. Lets not get carried away with "he looks like Cabrera."

doublem23
07-30-2013, 11:59 PM
At that time they were high on the Sox prospect list and considered a good haul. Now we have Viceido part 2 back for him. Garza cost the Rangers 4 solid prospects and we get 3 prospects and 1 of the pitchers is 3 and 13. he'll fit right in here.

If they were high on the Sox prospect list, it's because the Sox farm system has been so devastatingly barren for so long.

The Rangers did not give up 4 solid prospects, first off, we only know of 3 players they traded; 1 intriguing prospect whose stock is rapidly falling, a 24-year-old with an ERA of 6 1/2, and a A-ball pitcher who throws hard (we got TWO of those for Peavy). Plus maybe 1-2 other throw ins.

doublem23
07-31-2013, 12:01 AM
Wasn't Poreda already coming out of the pen at the time? That was a pure salary dump trade for the Padres.

Poreda was starting in Birmingham and Charlotte in 2009 but when he came up to the Show (he made his MLB debut 5-6 weeks before being traded), he worked exclusively out of the bullpen in Chicago. He never made a Major League start in his career.

JB98
07-31-2013, 12:13 AM
Lyle Mouton looked like Frank Thomas. Lets not get carried away with "he looks like Cabrera."

He isn't Cabrera and will never be Cabrera.

But, I'm optimistic he'll help the Sox.

JB98
07-31-2013, 12:14 AM
If they were high on the Sox prospect list, it's because the Sox farm system has been so devastatingly barren for so long.

The Rangers did not give up 4 solid prospects, first off, we only know of 3 players they traded; 1 intriguing prospect whose stock is rapidly falling, a 24-year-old with an ERA of 6 1/2, and a A-ball pitcher who throws hard (we got TWO of those for Peavy). Plus maybe 1-2 other throw ins.

Like I said last week, everything the Cubs do is considered genius around here. Everything the Sox do is considered idiocy.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 12:14 AM
Lyle Mouton looked like Frank Thomas. Lets not get carried away with "he looks like Cabrera."

I see what you're saying, but it sure looks like Jake Peavy and Matt Garza just got traded within a couple days of each other. This of course means we must never stop comparing the two pitchers and the players dealt in each respective trade until someone says 5 years from now, "Hey is that Cleutus guy we got for Peavy still playing?" At this point we start the discussion over again.

Thome25
07-31-2013, 05:51 AM
Sincere question here, why does anybody here care about the money?

There isn't a salary cap, Hahn has gone on the record to state that Reinsdorf isn't forcing him to cut salary, and we just dealt from a position of strength to help repair the farm.

Why does it matter at all to anybody here if the Sox pick up some of the remaining salary on Peavy's deal?

It matters to me if Reinsdorf didn't pick up any of the money and it cost this team a sorely needed A+, blue chip, can't miss prospect or prospects in the process.

Who knows, these prospects we got may turn out to be something. I'm sincerely hopeful that they do well.

I've been a Sox fan and Bulls fan for almost 25 years and I'm completely sick and tired of this ownership regime's what seems to be middling ways when it comes to spending money.

I'm not saying they should go out and spend frivolously like some teams do (with little or no return like the Angels and Dodgers for example) but there are times when money needs to be spent and this was one of those times because high end prospects are what this ailing team needs.

Mr. Jinx
07-31-2013, 06:16 AM
Sincere question here, why does anybody here care about the money?

There isn't a salary cap, Hahn has gone on the record to state that Reinsdorf isn't forcing him to cut salary, and we just dealt from a position of strength to help repair the farm.

Why does it matter at all to anybody here if the Sox pick up some of the remaining salary on Peavy's deal?

I'm hoping the Sox can win the Fiscal Responsibility Trophy this year. Beats out the Cubs' Attendance Trophy easy.

cards press box
07-31-2013, 06:21 AM
It matters to me if Reinsdorf didn't pick up any of the money and it cost this team a sorely needed A+, blue chip, can't miss prospect or prospects in the process.

In today's baseball, the best opportunity to obtain a blue-chip prospect is through the draft. Yes, every so often, a team like Milwaukee obtains a Jean Segura in a deadline deal but that doesn't happen very often. Teams just don't trade their top prospects anymore, as they are too valuable. Given how bad this season has been, the 2014 amateur draft looms large for the Sox.

Avisail Garcia is not a Jean Segura but he is a very good prospect and has the potential to be the Sox right fielder for years to come. And the Sox got a couple of pitching prospects and salary relief that will help with the restocking of the offense in the winter.

I see what you're saying, but it sure looks like Jake Peavy and Matt Garza just got traded within a couple days of each other. This of course means we must never stop comparing the two pitchers and the players dealt in each respective trade until someone says 5 years from now, "Hey is that Cleutus guy we got for Peavy still playing?" At this point we start the discussion over again.

So, we should judge the Peavy deal by the 4th best player that the Sox received in the deal? I don't think so. The main assets that the Sox received here were Garcia and the salary relief. And with the minor league pitchers from A ball, we'll see. The Sox have a good record of developing pitchers.

Like I said last week, everything the Cubs do is considered genius around here. Everything the Sox do is considered idiocy.

Yeah, and that's not just here. If you want to know whether the Cubs perpetually get cut slack, consider this: while some may be lauding this Garza trade (although I am not sure why), what about the first Garza trade? And then think of those two deals together. Think the Cubs should have gotten more than Mike Olt for Sam Fuld, Hak-Ju-Lee and Chris Archer? When you add the two deals together, that's exactly what the Cubs did -- turn Sam Fuld, Hak-Ju-Lee and Chris Archer into Mike Olt and whoever else the Cubs got from Texas in the 2nd Garza deal. What is so brilliant about that?

GAsoxfan
07-31-2013, 08:20 AM
Three down, hopefully two more to go. So far the Sox have been selling to both sides in the AL East, hopefully Hahn can do the same for the NL Central. Rios to the Pirates and Ramirez to the Cards would be a nice way to end the trading season (assuming the returns are reasonable).

Maybe losing six in a row to the Braves and Pirates puts a little more pressure on the Cardinals to upgrade the roster.

Domeshot17
07-31-2013, 09:20 AM
Jim Bowden just said the Pirates are not actively in on Rios as they don't like his money or his attitude.

doublem23
07-31-2013, 09:23 AM
Jim Bowden just said the Pirates are not actively in on Rios as they don't like his money or his attitude.

That's fine, luckily for us, this Pirates/Cardinals mega-series this week has gone perfectly; the Pirates are absolutely pounding St. Louis right now, they've won 3 of the first 5 and the Cardinals absolutely have the deeper pockets and the better farm system.

Zisk77
07-31-2013, 09:28 AM
It matters to me if Reinsdorf didn't pick up any of the money and it cost this team a sorely needed A+, blue chip, can't miss prospect or prospects in the process.

Who knows, these prospects we got may turn out to be something. I'm sincerely hopeful that they do well.

I've been a Sox fan and Bulls fan for almost 25 years and I'm completely sick and tired of this ownership regime's what seems to be middling ways when it comes to spending money.

I'm not saying they should go out and spend frivolously like some teams do (with little or no return like the Angels and Dodgers for example) but there are times when money needs to be spent and this was one of those times because high end prospects are what this ailing team needs.


This is just Dumb. Teams that print money like the Red Sox and Yankees aren't giving up better prospects if the sox pick up salary. Salary is inconsequential to them. Now if we are dealing with the pirates then we would get better prospects if we pick up the money.

Domeshot17
07-31-2013, 09:30 AM
Salary helps for next year, but we were not getting a can't miss, A+, Blue-Chip prospect for Peavy if we paid his entire salary. The Phillies can't even get 1 for Cliff Lee.

We did fine. We got 1 legit prospect, 1 prospect who is a project but has some potential, and 2 fillers.

PaleHoser
07-31-2013, 09:39 AM
Jim Bowden just said the Pirates are not actively in on Rios as they don't like his money or his attitude.

Well, that makes two of us.

Fisk Fan
07-31-2013, 09:44 AM
Alex Rios Rumors: Wednesday (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/alex-rios-rumors-wednesday.html)

By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 9:35am CST]

White Sox right fielder Alex Rios (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riosal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) is guaranteed almost $18MM through next year. The latest trade rumors:

The White Sox would like to move Rios today, tweets ESPN's Jayson Stark (https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/362580819300200448), but it doesn't look promising. The Rangers and Pirates have no more than lukewarm interest, he adds.
Rios was watched by a Pirates scout last night, notes Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0731-peavy-white-sox-chicago-20130731,0,5033268.story). The White Sox have scouted the Pirates' farm system thoroughly, he says. Rios left the game in the eighth inning after fouling a pitch off his foot, but the bruise appears minor.

Fastball23
07-31-2013, 09:49 AM
Alex Rios Rumors: Wednesday (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/alex-rios-rumors-wednesday.html)

By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 9:35am CST]


White Sox right fielder Alex Rios (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riosal01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com) is guaranteed almost $18MM through next year. The latest trade rumors:

The White Sox would like to move Rios today, tweets ESPN's Jayson Stark (https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/362580819300200448), but it doesn't look promising. The Rangers and Pirates have no more than lukewarm interest, he adds.
Rios was watched by a Pirates scout last night, notes Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0731-peavy-white-sox-chicago-20130731,0,5033268.story). The White Sox have scouted the Pirates' farm system thoroughly, he says. Rios left the game in the eighth inning after fouling a pitch off his foot, but the bruise appears minor.


I believe Rios is traded today, so the Sox can bring up Garcia

VMSNS
07-31-2013, 09:57 AM
Pirates and Rangers "lukewarm interest" sounds like posturing by both front offices to me. I'd think Texas will need Rios once Cruz is suspended (which they have to know is coming), and the Pirates could definitely use him, too.

BleacherBandit
07-31-2013, 10:21 AM
Pirates and Rangers "lukewarm interest" sounds like posturing by both front offices to me. I'd think Texas will need Rios once Cruz is suspended (which they have to know is coming), and the Pirates could definitely use him, too.

The Pirates are doing fine without much production from their LF platoon setup. Whether or not that'll continue to be a truth is the question. Maybe the Pittsburgh front office is just dumb.

cws05champ
07-31-2013, 10:30 AM
That's not a given. The Red Sox may have been completely unwilling to part with top prospects at all.

Because we would get better prospects back in the deal if we pitch in some money. That's the way it works.

I'm not talking just the Red Sox....if the White Sox were willing to kick in the money, you don't think teams like Oakland, D-backs, Pittsburgh, Atlanta and others would pony up some better prospects in a deal?

Don't get me wrong, I like Garcia....but the other guys they got profile as a reliever, Organizational defensive SS and a middle rotation guy at AAA.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 10:31 AM
The Pirates are doing fine without much production from their LF platoon setup. Whether or not that'll continue to be a truth is the question. Maybe the Pittsburgh front office is just dumb.

No. Stubborn maybe, but considering Rios is the player of interest, it's not like they would be passing up a sure playoff spot if they chose to forgo grabbing Alex.

Lukewarm interest is what any GM living in the real world should have for Rios, especially if no money is being eaten. I thought he had turned a mental corner but how can you trust someone who can be such a baby at times and seemingly refuse to hustle whenever it's convenient? I don't know what Hahn is being offered for him, but he should be traded before his value dips any lower and I don't see his value increasing in the offseason one iota, when teams are less desperate for an impact player. There is obviously plenty of interest in him, and that has to be taken advantage of and you have to get something for him if you can. If someone is being stupid about this I'm inclined to believe it's Rick Hahn for thinking the Sox can compete every year without a farm system, and for being too hesitant to eat bad salary money.

BleacherBandit
07-31-2013, 10:38 AM
No. Stubborn maybe, but considering Rios is the player of interest, it's not like they would be passing up a sure playoff spot if they chose to forgo grabbing Alex.

Lukewarm interest is what any GM living in the real world should have for Rios, especially if no money is being eaten. I thought he had turned a mental corner but how can you trust someone who can be such a baby at times and seemingly refuse to hustle whenever it's convenient? I don't know what Hahn is being offered for him, but he should be traded before his value dips any lower and I don't see his value increasing in the offseason one iota, when teams are less desperate for an impact player. There is obviously plenty of interest in him, and that has to be taken advantage of and you have to get something for him if you can. If someone is being stupid about this I'm inclined to believe it's Rick Hahn for thinking the Sox can compete every year without a farm system, and for being too hesitant to eat bad salary money.

Disinterest in Rios' work ethic or Hahn's asking price?

SCCWS
07-31-2013, 10:38 AM
This is just Dumb. Teams that print money like the Red Sox and Yankees aren't giving up better prospects if the sox pick up salary. Salary is inconsequential to them..

WRONG. Boston reports all week said they would not give up their top prospects and the cash for Peavy. In the end, they paid the cash but did not give up any of their three A prospects. Instead they offered their next tier prospects in Iglesias or Middlebrooks. Since Detroit joined the deal got done.

getonbckthr
07-31-2013, 10:39 AM
At this point give Rios away just don't take on any money.

XplodingScorbord
07-31-2013, 10:40 AM
Or maybe Rios' attitude improves next year when he's about to go on the free agent market and we should keep him until this time next year.

doublem23
07-31-2013, 10:43 AM
WRONG. Boston reports all week said they would not give up their top prospects and the cash for Peavy. In the end, they paid the cash but did not give up any of their three A prospects. Instead they offered their next tier prospects in Iglesias or Middlebrooks. Since Detroit joined the deal got done.

White Sox reports from Monday also said the Sox were pulling Peavy off the table and planned to rebuild with him as a centerpiece of the rotation.

You got to take these leaked reports with a grain of salt, people. They're usually leaked strategically by the team, as a negotiating tactic.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 10:59 AM
White Sox reports from Monday also said the Sox were pulling Peavy off the table and planned to rebuild with him as a centerpiece of the rotation.

You got to take these leaked reports with a grain of salt, people. They're usually leaked strategically by the team, as a negotiating tactic.

That "rebuilding around Peavy" one sure threw me a for a loop. Most of these negotiating tactics aren't cloaked in any kind of shrewd genius at all, and are painfully obvious even to me. My credentials are: has played fantasy baseball for about 3 years, reads MLBT.

Rick Hahn has shown an ability to be creative with deals during his time with the Sox, but so far he's looking stubborn and out of his league in all other area's.

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2013, 11:04 AM
Rick Hahn has shown an ability to be creative with deals during his time with the Sox, but so far he's looking stubborn and out of his league in all other area's.

Such as?

doublem23
07-31-2013, 11:13 AM
That "rebuilding around Peavy" one sure threw me a for a loop. Most of these negotiating tactics aren't cloaked in any kind of shrewd genius at all, and are painfully obvious even to me. My credentials are: has played fantasy baseball for about 3 years, reads MLBT.

Rick Hahn has shown an ability to be creative with deals during his time with the Sox, but so far he's looking stubborn and out of his league in all other area's.

What makes you so sure the Sox were the team that leaked that "rumor?"

Stanley
07-31-2013, 11:13 AM
Such as?

Well first of all, if he had anything to do with that Danks contract he should be tied up and tickled for a really long time.

Also, did he expect to fool anyone with "rebuilding around Peavy"? That's noob stuff and shows desperation, not strategy. Next, he wont communicate a plan for rebuilding to the fans, and he still seems to be making deals without a clear method to build a consistent contender.

Finally, Caspar Wells and Dewayne Wise.

SCCWS
07-31-2013, 11:19 AM
White Sox reports from Monday also said the Sox were pulling Peavy off the table and planned to rebuild with him as a centerpiece of the rotation.

You got to take these leaked reports with a grain of salt, people. They're usually leaked strategically by the team, as a negotiating tactic.

Actually, living in New England, I found the media to be pretty accurate. Now I tend to ignore national media people for trades and tend to follow the team beat writers. Sean McAdam, one of the Boston guys, was pretty accurate all through the process. He said last Friday that Boston would not offer their untouchables for Peavy but might for Cliff Lee. He said Hahn wanted the cash and high prospects for Peavy but Boston would only offer low prospects if Hahn wanted the salary absorbed. He also said Boston would up the offer and that Middlebrooks might be a compromise to Hahn as opposed to the untouchables. Then 5:00pm yesterday he posted Hahn was backing off money and untouchables and the deal was back in discussion stage.

rdivaldi
07-31-2013, 11:20 AM
Also, did he expect to fool anyone with "rebuilding around Peavy"? That's noob stuff and shows desperation, not strategy.

:scratch: Sooooooo, what were they supposed to say? I don't see how you could say that shows desperation.

Next, he wont communicate a plan for rebuilding to the fans, and he still seems to be making deals without a clear method to build a consistent contender.

How many other GMs "communicate a plan for rebuilding to the fans"? Also, this "method" you speak of, can you explain other GMs "clear method". The guy has been a GM for 3/4 of a season, you are being ridiculous with your demands.

russ99
07-31-2013, 11:24 AM
:scratch: Sooooooo, what were they supposed to say? I don't see how you could say that shows desperation.

How many other GMs "communicate a plan for rebuilding to the fans"? Also, this "method" you speak of, can you explain other GMs "clear method". The guy has been a GM for 3/4 of a season, you are being ridiculous with your demands.

Plus we all want to see what Hahn can do when he has some payroll and flexibility to work with, and what he's doing is finding ways to cut that payroll and add flexibility, often being shrewd and creative while doing so.

Gotta purge before you can build, this is the purge. Judge Hahn on the build.

soltrain21
07-31-2013, 11:28 AM
Well first of all, if he had anything to do with that Danks contract he should be tied up and tickled for a really long time.

Also, did he expect to fool anyone with "rebuilding around Peavy"? That's noob stuff and shows desperation, not strategy. Next, he wont communicate a plan for rebuilding to the fans, and he still seems to be making deals without a clear method to build a consistent contender.

Finally, Caspar Wells and Dewayne Wise.

The day the GM starts telling me his exact plan for the team is probably the day I stop being a fan.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 11:28 AM
:scratch: Sooooooo, what were they supposed to say? I don't see how you could say that shows desperation.

You don't have to say anything at all. You just have to be realistic about what Jake Peavy is at this point in his career and adjust your demands accordingly. I think Hahn eventually did that and I'm happy he was moved and we got something in return.

How many other GMs "communicate a plan for rebuilding to the fans"? Also, this "method" you speak of, can you explain other GMs "clear method". The guy has been a GM for 3/4 of a season, you are being ridiculous with your demands.

Off the top of my head: The Mariners, Pirates, Cubs, Astros. Edit: I forgot the Red Sox, too. They did some hardcore self-evaluation last year and got rid of some bad contracts. They made some new smart signings, hired a good manager a great pitching coach, and took every opportunity apologize to fans and fix things before they spiraled further out of control. They are currently doing pretty well for themselves. The White Sox in comparison look foolish, to put it lightly.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 11:32 AM
Plus we all want to see what Hahn can do when he has some payroll and flexibility to work with, and what he's doing is finding ways to cut that payroll and add flexibility, often being shrewd and creative while doing so.

Gotta purge before you can build, this is the purge. Judge Hahn on the build.

You call this a purge? Peavy was the only one traded who had any worth. When any combination of Danks, Dunn and Rios are gone, that can be considered a purge. This is a Ken Williams-esque patch and paint.

dwalteroo
07-31-2013, 11:32 AM
Plus we all want to see what Hahn can do when he has some payroll and flexibility to work with, and what he's doing is finding ways to cut that payroll and add flexibility, often being shrewd and creative while doing so.

Gotta purge before you can build, this is the purge. Judge Hahn on the build.

All of this.

Domeshot17
07-31-2013, 11:37 AM
Well first of all, if he had anything to do with that Danks contract he should be tied up and tickled for a really long time.

Also, did he expect to fool anyone with "rebuilding around Peavy"? That's noob stuff and shows desperation, not strategy. Next, he wont communicate a plan for rebuilding to the fans, and he still seems to be making deals without a clear method to build a consistent contender.

Finally, Caspar Wells and Dewayne Wise.

I love the Hindsight on the Danks deal. Everyone is acting like he had arm troubles when we resigned him:

Danks:

2008 - 12-9 3.32 ERA
2009 - 13-11 3.77 ERA
2010 - 15-11 3.72 ERA

Not to mention the top flight performance in the Black Out game. It was a GOOD contract when he signed it, and sadly, we got unlucky that he had arm problems following it. Add to the fact that anyone paying attention knows Danks those years didn't get a ton of support and could have won 18 games any of those years easily, and it was the right move.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 11:39 AM
The day the GM starts telling me his exact plan for the team is probably the day I stop being a fan.

Well I don't have anything against transparency and honesty. Being critical of or expecting reasonable things from a GM doesn't take the fun out of the game or of being a fan to me, it does the complete opposite, in fact.

rdivaldi
07-31-2013, 11:39 AM
I love the Hindsight on the Danks deal. Everyone is acting like he had arm troubles when we resigned him:

Danks:

2008 - 12-9 3.32 ERA
2009 - 13-11 3.77 ERA
2010 - 15-11 3.72 ERA

Not to mention the top flight performance in the Black Out game. It was a GOOD contract when he signed it, and sadly, we got unlucky that he had arm problems following it. Add to the fact that anyone paying attention knows Danks those years didn't get a ton of support and could have won 18 games any of those years easily, and it was the right move.

To be fair, there aren't a lot of fans out there complaining about the Danks deal. It's way too early in his coming back from shoulder surgery to pass judgment.

rdivaldi
07-31-2013, 11:40 AM
Off the top of my head: The Mariners, Pirates, Cubs, Astros.

Those plans are what? Suck and stockpile young talent?

Stanley
07-31-2013, 11:48 AM
I love the Hindsight on the Danks deal. Everyone is acting like he had arm troubles when we resigned him:

Danks:

2008 - 12-9 3.32 ERA
2009 - 13-11 3.77 ERA
2010 - 15-11 3.72 ERA

Not to mention the top flight performance in the Black Out game. It was a GOOD contract when he signed it, and sadly, we got unlucky that he had arm problems following it. Add to the fact that anyone paying attention knows Danks those years didn't get a ton of support and could have won 18 games any of those years easily, and it was the right move.

He had begun to fall apart well before the deal was signed and the amount of money was just a complete head-scratcher to me, at least. I know the market for reliable SP's was starting to shift right at that time kind of, but that move didn't sit right from the moment I read about it. I've read some smart people try to justify it, namely the SSS guys, but I know the Danks family has close ties to the Sox and I felt like the move was based on emotion way more than the idea of Danks potentially living up to that kind of money.

Moses_Scurry
07-31-2013, 12:08 PM
The minutes seem like hours right now. I'll be happy when 3:00 hits and I can go back to pretending this season never happened ... at least until the waiver trade deadline approaches.

Domeshot17
07-31-2013, 12:16 PM
I doubt we do anything. Ramirez and Rios just make too much money to not be that good. We could salary dump them, but thats about it right now.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 12:19 PM
I doubt we do anything. Ramirez and Rios just make too much money to not be that good. We could salary dump them, but thats about it right now.

Hard to disagree. Bad team is bad, and boring too.

sunofgold
07-31-2013, 12:25 PM
Just getting rid of their contracts would make it a good deal. Any prospects would just potentially make it better.

Could try beckham as SS rest of the season and Jordan Dunks/Garcia in RF. then try to get a few bats in the offseason.

russ99
07-31-2013, 12:26 PM
Those plans are what? Suck and stockpile young talent?

Yup. But I don't think the Sox can do that, at least not with our current owner.

That's not going over too well in Houston either, despite the best planned out tank, suck and stockpile young talent plan by a savvy GM.

Most of the fans (that are left) are angry - mostly at the owner for not spending anything (it's fishy with the sale of the team being highly leveraged), their utter failure at pushing a local cable deal with low viewership to other providers and of course caving to Selig and cutting the deal to move to the AL, which no Astros fan wanted. Those fans are also questioning as to when the plan mentions when the rebuild will be over. :D:

Luhnow is doing a great job as GM, going from a White Sox-like barren system to the top system in the game in 2+ years, although he inherited the prospects making the quickest move to the majors from the old GM's dump trades.

Harry Chappas
07-31-2013, 12:27 PM
He had begun to fall apart well before the deal was signed and the amount of money was just a complete head-scratcher to me, at least. I know the market for reliable SP's was starting to shift right at that time kind of, but that move didn't sit right from the moment I read about it. I've read some smart people try to justify it, namely the SSS guys, but I know the Danks family has close ties to the Sox and I felt like the move was based on emotion way more than the idea of Danks potentially living up to that kind of money.

Can you direct me to the post where you offered this opinion on the Danks deal?

Since you felt it was such a complete 'head-scratcher,' I'm sure you must have been up in arms at the time.

Boondock Saint
07-31-2013, 12:32 PM
Just getting rid of their contracts would make it a good deal. Any prospects would just potentially make it better.

Could try beckham as SS rest of the season and Jordan Dunks/Garcia in RF. then try to get a few bats in the offseason.

I don't necessarily agree, but if that's Hahn's plan, then he can work on other deals today, and worry about any potential salary dumps via waivers.

dwalteroo
07-31-2013, 12:38 PM
The Sox just called up Jordan Danks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-promoted-20130731,0,2080473.story

Rios go bye-bye?

BleacherBandit
07-31-2013, 12:47 PM
The Sox just called up Jordan Danks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-promoted-20130731,0,2080473.story

Rios go bye-bye?

hopefully, but with the downside being we must say hello to jordan danks

JermaineDye05
07-31-2013, 12:48 PM
The Sox just called up Jordan Danks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-promoted-20130731,0,2080473.story

Rios go bye-bye?

Just taking Peavy's roster spot. Precautionary for a Rios deal.

Also, Rios is day-to-day after fouling the ball off his foot last night. Good chance he wasn't going to be playing tonight anyways. Only other outfielder on the bench is Wells.

DSpivack
07-31-2013, 12:48 PM
The Sox just called up Jordan Danks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-promoted-20130731,0,2080473.story

Rios go bye-bye?

hopefully, but with the downside being we must say hello to jordan danks

Not necessarily. Tekotte was sent down to make room for Rienzo as a starter, and with Peavy dealt Danks is up to replace Tekotte. With Rios out injured for a couple days, perhaps Jordan will get a couple starts in RF, as well.

TaylorStSox
07-31-2013, 12:49 PM
Munch = Bland = Stanley

jcw218
07-31-2013, 12:50 PM
The Sox just called up Jordan Danks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-promoted-20130731,0,2080473.story

Rios go bye-bye?

The Sox were carrying 5 outfielders before sending Tekotte down and calling up Rienzo. With the Peavy trade, Rienzo takes Peavy's spot on the roster and Jordan Danks takes Tekotte's.

Rios may very well still get traded.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 12:54 PM
Munch = Bland = Stanley

Taylor = Alex Jones = Glenn Beck = Settle down inspector clousaeu

Stanley
07-31-2013, 12:57 PM
Can you direct me to the post where you offered this opinion on the Danks deal?

Since you felt it was such a complete 'head-scratcher,' I'm sure you must have been up in arms at the time.

It'd be a lot more fun for me to watch you go looking for such a post.

#1swisher
07-31-2013, 12:58 PM
Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN) 2m (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/362632709937430528)

Sounds like #Rangers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Rangers&src=hash) aren't interested in Alex Rios. Not sure on #Pirates (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pirates&src=hash) or #Yankees (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Yankees&src=hash) but wouldn't be surprised if he stays w/ #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash).

Mr. Jinx
07-31-2013, 01:01 PM
Has anyone seen Hahn hanging out in an airport on his cell phone today?

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2013, 01:08 PM
Has anyone seen Hahn hanging out in an airport on his cell phone today?

Train stations are the new hot spot.

SoxSpeed22
07-31-2013, 01:22 PM
Yup. But I don't think the Sox can do that, at least not with our current owner.

That's not going over too well in Houston either, despite the best planned out tank, suck and stockpile young talent plan by a savvy GM.

Most of the fans (that are left) are angry - mostly at the owner for not spending anything (it's fishy with the sale of the team being highly leveraged), their utter failure at pushing a local cable deal with low viewership to other providers and of course caving to Selig and cutting the deal to move to the AL, which no Astros fan wanted. Those fans are also questioning as to when the plan mentions when the rebuild will be over. :D:

Luhnow is doing a great job as GM, going from a White Sox-like barren system to the top system in the game in 2+ years, although he inherited the prospects making the quickest move to the majors from the old GM's dump trades.The farm system looks like it's going the right way over in Houston, but it's easy to see the fans being upset.
I've said before, if the Sox tried something like that, the ballpark would be empty and the Cubs would take over completely. I'm okay with waiting until the offseason to deal Ramirez and Rios. They can get things done in free agency too.

#1swisher
07-31-2013, 01:29 PM
Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox) 6m (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox/status/362639465027600384)

Time running out to move Alex Rios. Last comment from Rick Hahn: "There is no urgency to make additional deals."

VMSNS
07-31-2013, 01:30 PM
C'mon, Hahn. Make something happen!

SoxFanCPA
07-31-2013, 01:32 PM
If a team claimed Rios on waivers in August, would the Sox let him go or demand something in return?

soxtalker
07-31-2013, 01:34 PM
Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox) 6m (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox/status/362639465027600384)

Time running out to move Alex Rios. Last comment from Rick Hahn: "There is no urgency to make additional deals."

I'm not sure that there is any urgency to trade Rios. The Sox could put him through waivers tomorrow. Due to his high salary, he'll probably pass through without a claim. Then, don't they have the ability to trade him to anyone through August?

cards press box
07-31-2013, 01:35 PM
I'm okay with waiting until the offseason to deal Ramirez and Rios. They can get things done in free agency too.

Agreed. It would be nice to deal Rios and Ramirez now but if the Sox can't get full value, I am okay with offseason, too. To get maximum value on Peavy, the Sox had to deal him now. Any to get any value for Thornton and Crain, the Sox had to deal them now.

C'mon, Hahn. Make something happen!

See above.

#1swisher
07-31-2013, 01:38 PM
Hahn:
"Conversations are ongoing on a number of different bases but again there's no urgency to make additional deals, if something makes sense from a baseball standpoint we'll do it. If it makes sense to revisit it in August or in the offseason or next year then we'll wait. Really at this point, as it relates to the guys under control going into 2014, it comes down to, from a baseball standpoint, this makes us better overall as an organization, or is better to stop and sit as we are for the time being."

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/16502/garcias-arrival-shouldnt-be-too-far-off

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2013, 01:39 PM
If a team claimed Rios on waivers in August, would the Sox let him go or demand something in return?

I believe that if a team puts in a waiver claim:

The Sox can work out a trade with that team,
Can let the team just pick him up and assume all salary (what the Sox did),
Or pull him off waivers.

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2013, 01:41 PM
Hahn:
"Conversations are ongoing on a number of different bases but again there's no urgency to make additional deals, if something makes sense from a baseball standpoint we'll do it. If it makes sense to revisit it in August or in the offseason or next year then we'll wait. Really at this point, as it relates to the guys under control going into 2014, it comes down to, from a baseball standpoint, this makes us better overall as an organization, or is better to stop and sit as we are for the time being."

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/16502/garcias-arrival-shouldnt-be-too-far-off

While it may not be a popular decision around these parts, I think it's the best thing to do and I am happy Hahn is not trade happy.

Thome25
07-31-2013, 01:43 PM
I think it's safe to say that the Sox are done.

They made 3 trades already and other teams are turning their attention away from the players they have available.

Stanley
07-31-2013, 02:14 PM
I've said before, if the Sox tried something like that, the ballpark would be empty and the Cubs would take over completely.

Oh yeah I forgot that the Cubs are on the verge of being a powerhouse World Series contender real soon. We must not follow suit and start a rebuild of our own because then we'd be just like the Cubs and there would be no "winner".

getonbckthr
07-31-2013, 02:23 PM
Oh yeah I forgot that the Cubs are on the verge of being a powerhouse World Series contender real soon. We must not follow suit and start a rebuild of our own because then we'd be just like the Cubs and there would be no "winner".
A lot closer than we are...

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2013, 02:25 PM
A lot closer than we are...

You honestly believe that?
I will take our starting pitchers over the Cubs staff any day.

PaleHoser
07-31-2013, 02:27 PM
They made 3 trades already and other teams are turning their attention away from the players they have available.

And probably holding their nose and waving their free hand while they do it.

#1swisher
07-31-2013, 02:38 PM
Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN)
Alex Rios seated at a table in #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash) clubhouse. Looks pretty calm with deadline 24 minutes away.


Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales (https://twitter.com/MDGonzales) 2m (https://twitter.com/MDGonzales/status/362657832010645504)
Rios in clubhouse, no lineup posted

#1swisher
07-31-2013, 02:52 PM
Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi (https://twitter.com/jonmorosi)
Executive with another team described the Rangers as “active” in these final moments before deadline. Stay tuned, folks.

Mr. Jinx
07-31-2013, 02:56 PM
Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN)
Alex Rios seated at a table in #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash) clubhouse. Looks pretty calm with deadline 24 minutes away.


Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales (https://twitter.com/MDGonzales) 2m (https://twitter.com/MDGonzales/status/362657832010645504)
Rios in clubhouse, no lineup posted

Well of course he is. Dude is getting paid a ****load of money no matter what.

thomas35forever
07-31-2013, 03:06 PM
Bruce Levine ‏@ESPNBruceLevine (https://twitter.com/ESPNBruceLevine) 1m (https://twitter.com/ESPNBruceLevine/status/362665079189147651)

White Sox are done for the day

Thome25
07-31-2013, 03:09 PM
Was really hoping the Sox were going to make Rios and his piss poor ****ty attitude someone else's problem today.

#1swisher
07-31-2013, 03:10 PM
Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN) 2m (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/362665848550334464)

With the deadline passed, Alex Rios said "it's time to play ball."

kittle42
07-31-2013, 03:10 PM
One of the more boring trade deadlines in years, all around.

DeadMoney
07-31-2013, 03:11 PM
Was really hoping the Sox were going to make Rios and his piss poor ****ty attitude someone else's problem today.

He'll clear waivers. So will Alexei. (So will Dunn)

If they really want to still pursue trading those guys, they certainly can.

SoxFanCPA
07-31-2013, 03:13 PM
I believe that if a team puts in a waiver claim:

The Sox can work out a trade with that team,
Can let the team just pick him up and assume all salary (what the Sox did),
Or pull him off waivers.

I understand the rules, but what would they do in that situation?

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2013, 03:18 PM
I understand the rules, but what would they do in that situation?

My mistake.

I'm guessing they would try to work a trade, I can't see them doing what Toronto did.

soltrain21
07-31-2013, 03:19 PM
One of the more boring trade deadlines in years, all around.

I'd say. It was really boring. I thought there would be a lot of crazy action with the new wild card rules and whatnot.

dwalteroo
07-31-2013, 03:20 PM
I'd say the Sox will try to get a decent prospect for him, but wouldn't be above cutting bait and letting the other team have him with the contract.