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Brian26
07-27-2013, 11:45 AM
This was sent to me this morning from Lip and asked to share with the rest of the community:

From Mark Gonzo Gonzales (Sox beat writer for the Trib):


I just wanted to give you a heads up.

I'll be switching over to the Cubs sometime next month. Will fill you in with more details later, but I wanted you to know ASAP because you and the people at White Sox Interactive have been very, very, very fair to me, and I respect the work and opinions of WSI. Please convey my thoughts to them.

Mark

Disappointing news. Gonzo is one of the few reasons I still subscribe to the Trib.

TaylorStSox
07-27-2013, 12:08 PM
This broke on Twitter during the game last night. I like Gonzales, but honestly, I don't particularly care. That's a nice gesture to acknowledge the site.

I feel for him. There really isn't a good way to get the smell if urine completely out of your clothes.

Stanley
07-27-2013, 12:13 PM
Good for him. I'm sure his job will be more entertaining now, since the Cubs are at least doing....something. I always thought he was pretty fair, too.

chicagowhitesox1
07-27-2013, 12:17 PM
I didn't know this site was even known. I always thought it was a site for 20 or so regular users.

roylestillman
07-27-2013, 12:32 PM
Anybody know the story here? Are they moving Sullivan over or is he getting a columnist assignment.

I used to not mind it when the papers used to rotate the beat writers at the break, but this late in the season it doesn't make sense.

JB98
07-27-2013, 12:45 PM
Too bad. I respect Mark and like reading his coverage. I think he is fair. I wonder who will be covering the Sox after the change is made. :scratch:

LITTLE NELL
07-27-2013, 12:47 PM
Very classy and as a WSI member I appreciate the nice comments.

JB98
07-27-2013, 01:05 PM
Here's a report that says Colleen Kane is the new Sox beat writer:

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-sports-media-watch/2013/07/colleen-kane-trib-white-sox-834/

skobabe8
07-27-2013, 01:07 PM
I didn't know this site was even known. I always thought it was a site for 20 or so regular users.

Ha. Not quite.

Chez
07-27-2013, 01:12 PM
I'm disappointed that Gonzo didn't mention me by name when he wrote of respecting the opinions of WSI. I'm sure that was an oversight. :smile:

Seriously, I'm disappointed he's switching to the North Side. I enjoy his work.

chicagowhitesox1
07-27-2013, 01:36 PM
Ha. Not quite.

Well I do view this site alot different now. When I was at the Sox game the other day, me and my buddys went to the bars after the game and I was talking to some guy and he said he was a member of this site. I must admit this site is bigger than what I always thought.

On a different note, what the heck happened to bars on the Southside, they were all a bunch of hipster bars that we went too.

gobears1987
07-27-2013, 01:46 PM
He's lucky. He doesn't have to watch this crap anymore.

skobabe8
07-27-2013, 02:08 PM
Well I do view this site alot different now. When I was at the Sox game the other day, me and my buddys went to the bars after the game and I was talking to some guy and he said he was a member of this site. I must admit this site is bigger than what I always thought.

On a different note, what the heck happened to bars on the Southside, they were all a bunch of hipster bars that we went too.

Never underestimate the far reaching tentacles of WSI. There have been plenty of well known writers, radio personalities, front office people, and even a certain post game host that spend time here. I also think this site played a huge role to get some people elected to some all-star games a few years back.

Not sure what bars you went to, but the hipster crowd probably comes with the price of gentrification.

Vernam
07-27-2013, 02:11 PM
Now that the paper has divested itself of the Cubs -- or was it the other way around, after all? -- they must think it's safe to have a real reporter cover them instead of Sullivan, who rolled over when Hendry and McPhail reamed him (http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/sports/cubs_conflict_team_blue_about.php) for supposedly critical coverage of their team. I wonder if Sully now gets rewarded for his post-beatdown loyalty or exiled to the on-line Trib with fellow apologist (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_whatsgoinon/2006/05/andy_sully_and_.html) George Knue. Those were the good old days, when Knue and other Trib lackeys would post on WSI rationalizing (or more often denying) the obvious editorial bias. What a hoot.

Good luck, Gonzo.

Golden Sox
07-27-2013, 02:39 PM
There were rumors that Jay Mariotti wanted to make a comeback in Chicago as the Tribune beat writer for the White Sox. Guess he'll have to keep looking for another job.

FielderJones
07-27-2013, 03:24 PM
Those were the good old days, when Knue and other Trib lackeys would post on WSI rationalizing (or more often denying) the obvious editorial bias. What a hoot.

That's the thing, the Cubune Headline threads (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=53594) really just wrote themselves; all you had to do was look at the Tribune coverage that day and add some parody to make it funny.

That said, I will miss Gonzo as I think he is the one Trib writer who has consistently treated the Sox fairly. As a fellow Illini and Western Suburbanite, I'm inclined to cut Colleen Kane some slack as she comes up to speed. Good luck to her.

DumpJerry
07-27-2013, 03:54 PM
Never underestimate the far reaching tentacles of WSI.
June, 2003: I joined WSI.
September, 2003: Jerry got dumped.

dickallen15
07-27-2013, 04:45 PM
Now that the paper has divested itself of the Cubs -- or was it the other way around, after all? -- they must think it's safe to have a real reporter cover them instead of Sullivan, who rolled over when Hendry and McPhail reamed him (http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/sports/cubs_conflict_team_blue_about.php) for supposedly critical coverage of their team. I wonder if Sully now gets rewarded for his post-beatdown loyalty or exiled to the on-line Trib with fellow apologist (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_whatsgoinon/2006/05/andy_sully_and_.html) George Knue. Those were the good old days, when Knue and other Trib lackeys would post on WSI rationalizing (or more often denying) the obvious editorial bias. What a hoot.

Good luck, Gonzo.

I think Sully gets Van Dyck's role. He retired a couple of months ago.

skobabe8
07-27-2013, 05:03 PM
June, 2003: I joined WSI.
September, 2003: Jerry got dumped.

'Nuff said.

ChiSoxGal85
07-27-2013, 06:02 PM
That's the thing, the Cubune Headline threads (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=53594) really just wrote themselves; all you had to do was look at the Tribune coverage that day and add some parody to make it funny.

That said, I will miss Gonzo as I think he is the one Trib writer who has consistently treated the Sox fairly. As a fellow Illini and Western Suburbanite, I'm inclined to cut Colleen Kane some slack as she comes up to speed. Good luck to her.

And bummer for Gonzo to have to cover the Cubs - but that's my Sox bias showing. Good luck to Colleen!

Noneck
07-27-2013, 11:07 PM
June, 2003: I joined WSI.
September, 2003: Jerry got dumped.


And I thought you were promoting dumping the #1 Jerry in the Sox organization, oh well at least you werent behind getting Jerry Lewis bumped from the telethon.

Harry Potter
07-28-2013, 10:08 AM
I may be in the minority but I felt that Gonzales' coverage/reporting had slipped in recent years, especially this year. So I'm not upset about this move - maybe a change will be a breath of fresh air.

Colleen Kane has done a great job covering Illinois and high school sports in the past so hopefully she will pick up the ball, that I felt, Gonzo dropped.

slavko
07-28-2013, 11:00 AM
Never leave a question unasked: Why didn't the new reporter get assigned to the Cubs and Gonzalez remained with the Sox?

BainesHOF
07-28-2013, 11:05 AM
Sadly, I don't remember any beat writer in town writing any must-read stuff for years. Teams control their message pretty well these days.

I usually hear about breaking news on the Score. I don't have the time and energy to follow a million sports writers on Twitter. I basically let the Score serve as my editor and present to me what it feels is important.

cards press box
07-28-2013, 12:38 PM
There were rumors that Jay Mariotti wanted to make a comeback in Chicago as the Tribune beat writer for the White Sox. Guess he'll have to keep looking for another job.

Good Lord! I am thankful that didn't happen!

Now that the paper has divested itself of the Cubs -- or was it the other way around, after all? -- they must think it's safe to have a real reporter cover them instead of Sullivan, who rolled over when Hendry and McPhail reamed him (http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/sports/cubs_conflict_team_blue_about.php) for supposedly critical coverage of their team. I wonder if Sully now gets rewarded for his post-beatdown loyalty or exiled to the on-line Trib with fellow apologist (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_whatsgoinon/2006/05/andy_sully_and_.html) George Knue. Those were the good old days, when Knue and other Trib lackeys would post on WSI rationalizing (or more often denying) the obvious editorial bias. What a hoot.

The bias of some Tribune writers (Mark Gonzalez excluded) was, indeed, quite a ridiculous hoot. And is it really gone?

Remember all the Phil Rogers' columns where he bemoaned the trade of John Ely to the Dodgers? How could the Sox deal a local kid with so much promise for Juan Pierre, remember? Rogers seemed to write at least a couple columns annually where he said that. Here are Ely's career stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/elyjo01.shtml): a 4-13 record with L.A. and a 5.70 ERA.

When is the last time you heard Rogers, Paul Sullivan or any Cub beat writer talk about the first Matt Garza deal? The initial deal was this: the Cubs dealt OF Sam Fuld and four prospects, pitcher Chris Archer, catcher Hak-Ju Lee, catcher Robinson Chirinos and OF Brandon Guyer for pitcher Matt Garza, OF Fernando Perez and pitcher Zachary Rosscup. Let's review that deal:

Of the players that the Cubs received, only Garza had any impact at the major league level. Let's look at the Tampa side. Fuld has been a good 4th/5th outfielder for the Rays the past two years. Lee was injured but has come back and is playing very well at SS for AAA Durham. Lee is only 22 and is probably the Rays' future SS.

Guyer is still in the Tampa system hitting .300 for Durham. At 27, he is no longer a top prospect. Chirinos played briefly for the Rays and is now in the Texas system.

And what about Chris Archer? Archer, 24, is dominating the American League this year. He is 6-3 with a 2.39 ERA. He will almost certainly be in the mix for the AL Rookie of the Year and is a mainstay in the rotation of what is likely the AL's best and most balanced team.

Ever hear Phil Rogers spend 20 seconds bemoaning the trade of Chris Archer, Hak-Ju Lee or even Sam Fuld?

Milw
07-29-2013, 01:10 AM
In terms of fairness, Gonzales was that. In terms of understanding the nuances of baseball, I was never impressed with him. He was also an awful writer.

I for one am looking forward to a new byline from the Trib.

Tragg
07-29-2013, 09:26 AM
I thought Gonzales did a really good job.
But i also like how the Tribune rotates beat writers. It prevents, or should prevent, reporters turning into cheerleaders or haters.

Speaking of Lip - where's he been?

TheVulture
07-30-2013, 06:35 PM
Dump Jerry?!?
http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/457777/350/450/1_22_102508_Jerry_Lewis02.jpg

Who could think of dumping a talented, multi-faceted, internationally famous genius such as myself?

If you could say a man with a splinter in his finger and a nail in his foot who was then struck by lightning is not hurt, then yes, you could say I'm not hurt.

slavko
07-30-2013, 09:31 PM
I thought Gonzales did a really good job.
But i also like how the Tribune rotates beat writers. It prevents, or should prevent, reporters turning into cheerleaders or haters.

Speaking of Lip - where's he been?

Are you referring to the mid-season swap of Cubs/Sox writers that hasn't been done in a generation?

CoopaLoop
08-02-2013, 06:43 PM
Gonzo on a podcast talking about the switch and the deadline moves. http://midwaymadness.com/2013/08/midway-today-episode-83/

TDog
08-02-2013, 07:31 PM
Never leave a question unasked: Why didn't the new reporter get assigned to the Cubs and Gonzalez remained with the Sox?

One can only speculate. As a rule, though, baseball beat writers in multi-team cities used to be moved between teams more frequently. One reason was to keep the reporters from becoming lazy even inadvertently, relying on the same few sources to answer questions, not asking questions because they have been answered before even though the answer may be out of date and such. Leaving a reporter on a beat too long can make the coverage stale. Covering a beat you have to be up close enough to know what's going on, but you have to keep a distance from what you're covering.

I don't know if this is an example, but if it doesn't specifically work, it is the sort of thing that applies here. There was an incident in a previous season where Alexei Ramirez failed in a sacrifice bunt attempt. A WSI poster reported later that Gonzalez shared with him that Ramirez hates bunting (and, indeed, Jeff Cox, when he was still coaching and teaching bunting to Ramirez, said Ramirez had never bunted before he came to the White Sox). The conclusion that it was wrong to ask him to sacrifice. Maybe that was the assumption all along and there was no need to ask how Ramirez felt about bunting. A couple of games later, Ramirez was attempted to bunt for a hit, so obviously someone's information was out of date, whether it was the paid journalist or the WSI poster.

Back in the 1970s, before I left the Chicago area, the Sun-Times and Tribune both used to switch their baseball beat writers between teams at the All-Star break. I don't know when it changed.

#1swisher
08-06-2013, 12:36 PM
Continued success, Mark. :gulp:

Mark Gonzales ‏ (https://twitter.com/MDGonzales)
[/URL] (https://twitter.com/MDGonzales) I'm switching to the Cubs' beat, effective Tuesday. For White Sox coverage, please follow Colleen Kane.



Today

Mark Gonzales ‏ (https://twitter.com/MDGonzales)[URL="https://twitter.com/MDGonzales/status/364796531460669440"]
RHP Eduardo Sanchez optioned to Iowa to make room for Neal, Cubs' pen returns to seven relievers, bench at 5

MeteorsSox4367
08-06-2013, 12:49 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Paul Sullivan? Seems like he was on the Cubs' beat for years.

doublem23
08-06-2013, 12:59 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Paul Sullivan? Seems like he was on the Cubs' beat for years.

Sullivan is staying with the Tribune in a newly expanded, not really announced baseball role.

Paul Sullivan @PWSullivan
@dylan_heuer (https://twitter.com/dylan_heuer) True/False. Expanded baseball role. Top secret. #WayChill (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WayChill&src=hash).

Used to be the Sox beat writer before Gonzales, IIRC.

#1swisher
08-06-2013, 01:01 PM
Paul Sullivan:
Iíll be a baseball generalist, writing longer feature stories about both teams, baseball in general, the minors, the sort of thing we havenít had since Dave Van Dyck retired.

http://chicagosidesports.com/paul-sullivan-talks-about-leaving-the-cubs-beat-after-ten-years/

Tragg
08-06-2013, 03:16 PM
There was a guy named Teddy. He wrote for the Sox and then they switched him to the Cubs. what happened to him?

Hitmen77
08-06-2013, 08:09 PM
Never leave a question unasked: Why didn't the new reporter get assigned to the Cubs and Gonzalez remained with the Sox?

I wouldn't be surprised if Gonzales asked to switch to the Cubs. Whether we like it or not, the Cubs beat writer job is probably a more high profile position.

StillMissOzzie
08-06-2013, 08:21 PM
June, 2003: I joined WSI.
September, 2003: Jerry got dumped.

Any chance of changing your screen name to DumpDunn?

SMO
:tongue:

StillMissOzzie
08-06-2013, 08:24 PM
Are you referring to the mid-season swap of Cubs/Sox writers that hasn't been done in a generation?

I guess that is what I was thinking of. They used to have a formal flip-flop of coverage at the true half-way point,or as the All-Star game. Each beat writer would right a "state of the union, here's what you're in for" open letter to each other, often as interesting as the beat coverage itself.

SMO
:gulp:

insp
08-07-2013, 10:22 AM
This was sent to me this morning from Lip and asked to share with the rest of the community:


Why did Lip not post this here himself? Or has Captain Negative been banned from WSI?

Hitmen77
08-07-2013, 01:17 PM
Why did Lip not post this here himself? Or has Captain Negative been banned from WSI?

Why do you care? Did he run over your dog or something?

ChiSoxFann
08-07-2013, 02:00 PM
Why did Lip not post this here himself? Or has Captain Negative been banned from WSI?

I assumed he was quiet because the Hawks won the cup. His summer of bashing Stan Bowman was ruined.

SI1020
08-07-2013, 03:27 PM
Why did Lip not post this here himself? Or has Captain Negative been banned from WSI? Yes he can be a bit of a critic at times. If you read him could you ever doubt for a minute that he really wants the Sox to win? In an age of watered down self serving vacuous journalism he has provided this site with countless in depth pieces that provide insights into Sox personalities and history that you will be hard pressed to find elsewhere. Maybe he just got tired of being brow beaten by the likes of you.

TheVulture
08-07-2013, 03:34 PM
He was also an awful writer.


Par for the course at the Trib these days.

Paulwny
08-07-2013, 03:48 PM
Yes he can be a bit of a critic at times. If you read him could you ever doubt for a minute that he really wants the Sox to win? In an age of watered down self serving vacuous journalism he has provided this site with countless in depth pieces that provide insights into Sox personalities and history that you will be hard pressed to find elsewhere. Maybe he just got tired of being brow beaten by the likes of you.


I agree, I hope he continues to interview ex-Sox players and places the interviews on this site.

Tragg
08-07-2013, 04:21 PM
In an age of watered down self serving vacuous journalism he has provided this site with countless in depth pieces that provide insights into Sox personalities and history that you will be hard pressed to find elsewhere.
Agree. I miss Lip.