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SCCWS
07-20-2013, 01:35 PM
Kind of lost in a lot of trade talk is Alexei and Gordon:

Alexei is up to .291. That is a very good average for a SS. Maybe somebody is tempted in the next 2 weeks to take him.

Gordon is still hitting in the .330 range. His number of AB have risen to over 160 so maybe he has found his stroke. I know the power is way down but a .300 gold glove second baseman is the start of a rebuild.

blandman
07-20-2013, 01:57 PM
Kind of lost in a lot of trade talk is Alexei and Gordon:

Alexei is up to .291. That is a very good average for a SS. Maybe somebody is tempted in the next 2 weeks to take him.

Gordon is still hitting in the .330 range. His number of AB have risen to over 160 so maybe he has found his stroke. I know the power is way down but a .300 gold glove second baseman is the start of a rebuild.

Is he that though? Paying him is not without it's risks. 2B is a position we've got a little depth in the minors (albiet far away). I wouldn't bring Gordon back unless you can't get something for him. And even then, only short term. Given he'd fit well as an elite backup infielder on a contender, I'm not sure there won't be long term dollars for him at significant money.

balke
07-20-2013, 01:59 PM
Trade him if he has any kind of return, but in terms of rebuild - Gordon is actually the kind of player the Sox will be looking for.

Gordon will be affordable and may take a 4 year for 8.5 mil or so. Perhaps you move him to SS for a year or two if Alexei gets traded.

TaylorStSox
07-20-2013, 02:11 PM
Beckham would be a liability at SS. You really don't want that on a rebuilding team. I'd prefer an all glove/no stick SS in our situation. I'd hold on to Beckham while we wait for some of middle infield prospects to develop.

blandman
07-20-2013, 02:57 PM
Trade him if he has any kind of return, but in terms of rebuild - Gordon is actually the kind of player the Sox will be looking for.

Gordon will be affordable and may take a 4 year for 8.5 mil or so. Perhaps you move him to SS for a year or two if Alexei gets traded.

With his defense and the year he's having a team like the Yanks would probably go 3-4 years at $5 million per or more to be the utility infielder. He's worth it to, in that role.

TheVulture
07-20-2013, 05:08 PM
The Yankees paid 12 million to have Youkilis play 3rd, Jayson Nix has started 70 games at SS, they have Overbay at 1b, and David Adams and Nunez have split time at third, and you think Beckham would be a utility player for them? Laughable man.

SCCWS
07-20-2013, 05:50 PM
The Yankees paid 12 million to have Youkilis play 3rd, Jayson Nix has started 70 games at SS, they have Overbay at 1b, and David Adams and Nunez have split time at third, and you think Beckham would be a utility player for them? Laughable man.

I don't think you trade Beckham. I think this team has more holes than tradeable pieces. You need a catcher, a 3rd baseman, a CF, RF( assume Rios goes) probably a 1st baseman. Unfortunately it looks like SS, DH and LF will have to stay. So trading Beckham would only open another hole unless you are convinced Gillaspie can play 2nd.

I am assuming Rios and Peavy and a reliever all get dealt. Possibly Keppinger and DeAza also go. I assume Konerko retires.

blandman
07-20-2013, 06:17 PM
The Yankees paid 12 million to have Youkilis play 3rd, Jayson Nix has started 70 games at SS, they have Overbay at 1b, and David Adams and Nunez have split time at third, and you think Beckham would be a utility player for them? Laughable man.

We're talking next year. And I said a team like the Yanks. Pretty much any contending large market team would be interested. He can play three infield positions well and has pop. If this year is an aberration, he's still better with the glove and stick than most utility guys. Two million a year for four years is not going to resign him.

CoopaLoop
07-20-2013, 08:10 PM
We're talking next year. And I said a team like the Yanks. Pretty much any contending large market team would be interested. He can play three infield positions well and has pop. If this year is an aberration, he's still better with the glove and stick than most utility guys. Two million a year for four years is not going to resign him.

Are we talking about Beckham here?

He isn't a free agent until 2016.

blandman
07-20-2013, 08:15 PM
Are we talking about Beckham here?

He isn't a free agent until 2016.

Really? My bad, it just feels like he's been here forever.

CoopaLoop
07-20-2013, 08:20 PM
Really? My bad, it just feels like he's been here forever.

Yeah this year was arbitration year one for him.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-20-2013, 08:30 PM
The least of the Sox problems is finding a good fielding second baseman. They have one. Beckham is not a liability, unlike a whole bunch of other players. The Sox need to address a lot of other holes before they need to worry about second base.

blandman
07-20-2013, 09:21 PM
Yeah this year was arbitration year one for him.

Ah. Yeah it seems he made almost $3 million already this year. He's gonna be pricey next year if this isn't a sign of future production.

The least of the Sox problems is finding a good fielding second baseman. They have one. Beckham is not a liability, unlike a whole bunch of other players. The Sox need to address a lot of other holes before they need to worry about second base.

2B is also the position we've got a few guys that are also projecting to be replacement level in a few years.

soxfanreggie
07-20-2013, 10:42 PM
I don't think you trade Beckham. I think this team has more holes than tradeable pieces. You need a catcher, a 3rd baseman, a CF, RF( assume Rios goes) probably a 1st baseman. Unfortunately it looks like SS, DH and LF will have to stay. So trading Beckham would only open another hole unless you are convinced Gillaspie can play 2nd.

I am assuming Rios and Peavy and a reliever all get dealt. Possibly Keppinger and DeAza also go. I assume Konerko retires.

I think Rios, Peavy, and Crain are all gone, with Crain dealt within days of his return. As far as catcher, I think you see them go with Phegley and Flowers battling for it. I wouldn't mind a cheap veteran catcher as a mentor, but on the other hand, I don't mind having Flowers as a back-up because he'll be very cheap for a long time. With the C spot, I'd like us to finally draft one in the first or second round. I'm thinking if there is a good one available in the top 5 next year that we should nab him barring having a very top pick and a "can't miss" guy in there.

I don't mind having Beckham aboard at 2B but we have to work on his hitting, even upping his average 10-15 points would be huge. He can also swing over and play SS and 3B in a pinch. The contract situation will also be important. We might be able to do a Matt Thornton-type deal with club options getting pricier but it gives us the right to keep him if he's performing.

SCCWS
07-21-2013, 08:46 AM
I think Rios, Peavy, and Crain are all gone, with Crain dealt within days of his return. As far as catcher, I think you see them go with Phegley and Flowers battling for it. I wouldn't mind a cheap veteran catcher as a mentor, but on the other hand, I don't mind having Flowers as a back-up because he'll be very cheap for a long time. With the C spot, I'd like us to finally draft one in the first or second round. I'm thinking if there is a good one available in the top 5 next year that we should nab him barring having a very top pick and a "can't miss" guy in there.

I don't mind having Beckham aboard at 2B but we have to work on his hitting, even upping his average 10-15 points would be huge. He can also swing over and play SS and 3B in a pinch. The contract situation will also be important. We might be able to do a Matt Thornton-type deal with club options getting pricier but it gives us the right to keep him if he's performing.


Because the team hesitated in bringing Phegley up, they don't know at this point whether he is a ML catcher or not. But early indications are he needs to improve defensively and we pretty much know Flowers is weak both offensively and on defense. Hahn probably has to wait till the offseason to determine what he does for the future.

soxfanreggie
07-21-2013, 10:12 AM
Because the team hesitated in bringing Phegley up, they don't know at this point whether he is a ML catcher or not. But early indications are he needs to improve defensively and we pretty much know Flowers is weak both offensively and on defense. Hahn probably has to wait till the offseason to determine what he does for the future.

If we are minus guys like Rios and Peavy next year due to trades, lose Konerko to retirement, and then Crain to trade (likely) or FA, I think we'll be more in the boat of Phegley and Flowers handling the plate in 2014. After that, maybe we can bet someone in FA for 2015 if neither of those guys can handle it and nobody comes up from the farm.

2014 is looking like we'll see some extended time for fringe MLB guys in the minors get a shot, ex. Jordan Danks in the OF.

CoopaLoop
07-21-2013, 10:44 AM
Beckham has hit in 18/21 or something like that.

Only offensive player I am intrigued by in the second half.