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SoxSpeed22
07-09-2013, 06:57 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22476749/suspensions-likely-as-mlb-starts-interviewing-players-in-biogenesis-probe
This would probably have a big say on the rest of the season as well as the postseason. MLB will have a lot of explaining to do over the next few months.

Frater Perdurabo
07-09-2013, 08:17 PM
It's only fair that this list be publicized ASAP, so that teams can make necessary deals before July 31.

amsteel
07-09-2013, 08:22 PM
Without a failed test, the union will prevent any suspension.

blandman
07-09-2013, 09:38 PM
Without a failed test, the union will prevent any suspension.

I see this written over and over everywhere I go. People need to stop saying this. It's 100% not true. There are MANY ways players can get suspended, all agreed to in the last collective bargaining agreement by the players union. One of those things that would trigger a suspension is written and/or oral evidence. In fact, because some players were officially asked about the incident by MLB, they can be hit with TWO suspensions. One for the evidence and another for lying about it. Again, this isn't shenanigans or interpretation, this was something agreed to by the union. There would be no case for arbitration or any other kind of recourse.

all*star quentin
07-09-2013, 10:42 PM
This ESPN article has more details.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9301536/major-league-baseball-suspend-20-players-including-alex-rodriguez-ryan-braun-part-miami-investigation

Jerko
07-10-2013, 09:56 AM
I really can't explain it, but I'm starting to hope Braun goes down harder than A-Rod.

slavko
07-10-2013, 12:08 PM
I really can't explain it, but I'm starting to hope Braun goes down harder than A-Rod.

It's not hard to explain. He's still denying it. A-Rod at least admitted something.

Tragg
07-10-2013, 01:43 PM
This should work in our favor. It will create holes on contenders (hopefully) and we can fill them for them.
Or, heck, if we listen to Hawk, we have 18 games left with the Tigers...we hold our destiny in our hands!

TaylorStSox
07-10-2013, 02:04 PM
It's not hard to explain. He's still denying it. A-Rod at least admitted something.

Braun tried to ruin a guy's life the first time he was caught. He's a POS cheat and a liar.

#1swisher
07-10-2013, 02:47 PM
Maury Brown ‏@BizballMaury (https://twitter.com/BizballMaury) 39m (https://twitter.com/BizballMaury/status/355040540674359296)

Provision in MLB Drug Agreement Will Allow Suspensions in Biogenesis Case to Happen Before Grievance http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5867:provision-in-mlb-drug-agreement-will-allow-suspensions-in-biogenesis-case-to-happen-before-grievance-heard&catid=30:mlb-news&Itemid=42 (http://t.co/yHj5svjFjP)

soxfanatlanta
07-11-2013, 02:23 PM
You have to believe Braun has many sleepless nights over this.

Good.

white sox bill
07-16-2013, 08:00 AM
I've said this before, past the point of caring anymore. Trying to stop PED in today's age where the users are always 3 steps ahead of the testers in pointless. Like trying to shut down speakeasy's and keep alcohol illegal back in the day. Prohibition didn't work and neither will MLB's anti drug policy. Sure your gonna catch some once in a blue moon. For every one you catch there are many that you dont. .

Let em juice...

Moses_Scurry
07-16-2013, 09:54 AM
I've said this before, past the point of caring anymore. Trying to stop PED in today's age where the users are always 3 steps ahead of the testers in pointless. Like trying to shut down speakeasy's and keep alcohol illegal back in the day. Prohibition didn't work and neither will MLB's anti drug policy. Sure your gonna catch some once in a blue moon. For every one you catch there are many that you dont. .

Let em juice...

I have to think the testing is working on some level. We haven't had any 60+ homerun seasons and very few 50+ HR seasons since it began. While I realize this is similar to saying my rock keeps tigers away, there has to be some reason for the power dropoff, and it would be a pretty big coincidence if it ended up being unrelated to the steroid testing.

white sox bill
07-16-2013, 11:33 AM
I have to think the testing is working on some level. We haven't had any 60+ homerun seasons and very few 50+ HR seasons since it began. While I realize this is similar to saying my rock keeps tigers away, there has to be some reason for the power dropoff, and it would be a pretty big coincidence if it ended up being unrelated to the steroid testing.
Yea its more a speed bump as modern medicine is always coming up w/new undectable anabolics. I see it the times I've judged BB contests. Guys win supposdly drug free shows when its obvious they are using.

Harry Chappas
07-16-2013, 02:31 PM
Well, if all you need to get suspended is the appearance of impropriety and hearsay, then it really doesn't matter if science outpaces testing. I'm not suggesting the Biogenesis case doesn't have merit, but it's doubtful that they'll come up with hard evidence that ARod, Braun, etc., were juicing. It's going to come down to accusations and testimony.

And when the biggest names in the world of professional sports are getting caught, it's silly to suggest that it isn't working at least on some level. Guys like Bonds, ARod, Lance, etc., have hundreds of millions of dollars to try to game the system and they're still getting busted. I'm sure they're at the bleeding edge when it comes to PEDs. Some 15 year Dominican prospect isn't going to have Balcor or Biogenesis on his speed dial and will likely get caught.

blandman
07-16-2013, 04:53 PM
Word is after hearing MLB's case against him, Arod's lawyers wanted him to plea. Considering he's got the best lawyers money can buy, MLB's case must be a lot stronger than people have been saying.

34rancher
07-18-2013, 01:25 PM
Until they force teams to forfeit games, this will never go away. Imagine the Yankees being forced to forfeit 50 or 100 games. That would change things.

TDog
07-18-2013, 02:48 PM
Until they force teams to forfeit games, this will never go away. Imagine the Yankees being forced to forfeit 50 or 100 games. That would change things.

If teams forfeited games for having participants who test positive for banned substances, which is pretty much the way it goes at the amateur level, teams would have more reason to care about players using banned substances. Some fans want to take away Barry Bonds home runs, but you really can't do that unless you take away the Giants wins that were aided by Barry Bonds' home runs.

Logistically, if the problem is widespread, that doesn't work because if you tested after every game, the team forfeiting would sometimes have to forfeit as well. And its a long season.

In football, with no team playing more than one game a week, it would be easier to test every player before and after games. But America really doesn't care about football players using banned substances.

blandman
07-18-2013, 04:32 PM
More evidence that baseball's case might be a lot stronger than first impression. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9488348/michael-weiner-mlbpa-head-says-union-protect-ped-users

First, Arod's lawyers tell him to plea. Now the union is only going to concentrate on cases it thinks it might when. There must be some serious evidence in baseball's corner if the union is going to refuse to defend its members.

34rancher
07-19-2013, 04:28 PM
If teams forfeited games for having participants who test positive for banned substances, which is pretty much the way it goes at the amateur level, teams would have more reason to care about players using banned substances. Some fans want to take away Barry Bonds home runs, but you really can't do that unless you take away the Giants wins that were aided by Barry Bonds' home runs.

Logistically, if the problem is widespread, that doesn't work because if you tested after every game, the team forfeiting would sometimes have to forfeit as well. And its a long season.

In football, with no team playing more than one game a week, it would be easier to test every player before and after games. But America really doesn't care about football players using banned substances.

If both teams had to take a loss, I'm ok with that. Give em both a loss. Until it affects teams this is never going to end. How we allow these players to essentially cheat the game, others players, and the record books I don't understand how it's any different than Pete Rose. Ban them all.

ComiskeyBrewer
07-22-2013, 06:04 PM
If teams forfeited games for having participants who test positive for banned substances, which is pretty much the way it goes at the amateur level, teams would have more reason to care about players using banned substances. Some fans want to take away Barry Bonds home runs, but you really can't do that unless you take away the Giants wins that were aided by Barry Bonds' home runs.

Logistically, if the problem is widespread, that doesn't work because if you tested after every game, the team forfeiting would sometimes have to forfeit as well. And its a long season.

In football, with no team playing more than one game a week, it would be easier to test every player before and after games. But America really doesn't care about football players using banned substances.

I've never understood this mentality. Person cheats in baseball, they are scum and are in par with thieves and adulterers. NFL DPOY gets caught doing the EXACT same thing and it isn't even in the top half of the sports center broadcast. Just doesn't make sense.

blandman
07-22-2013, 06:07 PM
I've never understood this mentality. Person cheats in baseball, they are scum and are in par with thieves and adulterers. NFL DPOY gets caught doing the EXACT same thing and it isn't even in the top half of the sports center broadcast. Just doesn't make sense.

Football has a much longer list of banned substances and does a much better job of not leaking what caused the suspension.

And let's not forget that baseball's post strike boom, as well as several records, were built on a foundation of drug abuse.

ComiskeyBrewer
07-22-2013, 06:19 PM
Football has a much longer list of banned substances and does a much better job of not leaking what caused the suspension.

Shawn Merriman took steroids, and it was reported as such. Yet nobody cared. Anybody care about Von Miller? Probably not.

And let's not forget that baseball's post strike boom, as well as several records, were built on a foundation of drug abuse.

I'd be willing to bet many nfl/nba/nhl records were broken due to PEDs. I doubt Brett Favre breaks half those records without some help. They might not have built muscle, but I'm sure they helped him with recovery.

blandman
07-22-2013, 11:07 PM
Shawn Merriman took steroids, and it was reported as such. Yet nobody cared. Anybody care about Von Miller? Probably not.



I'd be willing to bet many nfl/nba/nhl records were broken due to PEDs. I doubt Brett Favre breaks half those records without some help. They might not have built muscle, but I'm sure they helped him with recovery.

Baseball was resurrected from the abyss by a tainted home run chase. Ratings were easily fourth of the major sports.

Do we know it was steroids Von Miller took? Here it explicitly says what Von tested postive for is unknown. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources

Keep in mind whether steriiods or not, all NFL substance violations are 4 games. That includes all illegal narcotics (even marijuana) and hundreds of OTC supplements that most people would take without incident.

ComiskeyBrewer
07-23-2013, 12:29 AM
Baseball was resurrected from the abyss by a tainted home run chase. Ratings were easily fourth of the major sports.

So that some how justifies the hypocracy of fans looking the other way when it comes to the most watched sport in america(lets not overlook the fact that baseball ratings were fine in the 80s when steroids were rampant as well. Had the strike not happened there is no need for the HR chase to resurrect baseball)?
I understand being upset about PEDs, but if anything that outrage should jump over to other beloved sports so that they can feel that sport is clean as well. The idea that a person can be outraged that a player is hitting home runs with extra help, but not get mad when a RB gets that edge to break an extra tackle to score the game winning TD just makes me roll my eyes.

Do we know it was steroids Von Miller took? Here it explicitly says what Von tested postive for is unknown. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources

Keep in mind whether steriiods or not, all NFL substance violations are 4 games. That includes all illegal narcotics (even marijuana) and hundreds of OTC supplements that most people would take without incident.

Miller tested positive for Amphetimines(most likely Adderall or Greenies) and Marijuana(your link says Amphetimines and Steroids, another i read said marijuana. Probably one of the two). While Adderall is not a steroid, it's a PED all the same(Mental proformance is just as important as physical). A linebacker who gets that extra split second of concentration, thus being able to recognize the play quicker than someone else is at a distinct advantage over another player, and can lead to a game changing interception or fumble. To me it's no different than these guys using PEDs and recovering from a workout quicker.