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#1swisher
07-09-2013, 01:22 PM
Garza confirmed reports that his representatives have spoken with the team about a contract extension.
The Rangers had 2 scouts at Mondays Crosstown Classic. Indians, Pirates, Blue Jays and the Pardres each had 1 scout.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-pitcher-matt-garza-trade-value-peaking-texas-rangers-washington-nationals-los-angeles-dodgers-070813

slavko
07-09-2013, 01:50 PM
Signing talk to increase leverage. He's getting traded. How sure am I? Not sure enough to do something foolish.

He's be a good acquisition for a contender, too. Even if his last outing was against a patsy.

SoxSpeed22
07-14-2013, 11:50 PM
Garza likely to be dealt. Rangers and Indians are the favorites
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22758599/garza-on-notice-hell-likely-be-dealt-texas-tribe-bosox-cards-etc-in-mix

SCCWS
07-15-2013, 08:19 AM
Red Sox are also interested per today's Providence Journal.


http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/red-sox/content/20130714-red-sox-journal-boston-still-watching-trade-market.ece

#1swisher
07-19-2013, 12:47 PM
A source described the Rangers on Thursday as the “most motivated” bidder for Garza.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-matt-garza-texas-rangers-071913

blandman
07-19-2013, 12:55 PM
Ugh. If that's true, that takes away the most likely bidder with the best prospects for Sale/Peavy.

Domeshot17
07-19-2013, 01:15 PM
Ugh. If that's true, that takes away the most likely bidder with the best prospects for Sale/Peavy.

Still plenty of talent out there to be had from the buyers. I like Texas too, but they are not moving Profar or Perez, so Sale is not moving.

Tragg
07-19-2013, 01:30 PM
They've been saying how close they are for 10 days. Last week it was 80% chance he'll be gone during the all star break.
No one will give Sale's value, so that's not an issue.
While dealing Garza takes away a potential Peavy suitor, it also reduces the supply of starters. Patience.
And, of course, Saturday is the most important start a Sox pitcher has had since last September.

kittle42
07-19-2013, 01:38 PM
They've been saying how close they are for 10 days. Last week it was 80% chance he'll be gone during the all star break.
No one will give Sale's value, so that's not an issue.
While dealing Garza takes away a potential Peavy suitor, it also reduces the supply of starters. Patience.
And, of course, Saturday is the most important start a Sox pitcher has had since last September.

Good post.

Thome25
07-19-2013, 01:40 PM
Ugh. If that's true, that takes away the most likely bidder with the best prospects for Sale/Peavy.

Texas doesn't not have the best prospects.

Their minor leaguers are overrated and on the decline.

blandman
07-19-2013, 01:51 PM
Texas doesn't not have the best prospects.

Their minor leaguers are overrated and on the decline.

I mean of the buyers. There isn't a likely buyer out there with as much prospect depth as Texas. Teams with prospect depth are more likely to deal higher end prospects. There are better teams, like the Twins and Cubs, but they're not buying.

SCCWS
07-19-2013, 02:00 PM
I mean of the buyers. There isn't a likely buyer out there with as much prospect depth as Texas. Teams with prospect depth are more likely to deal higher end prospects. There are better teams, like the Twins and Cubs, but they're not buying.

Red Sox are loaded with prospects. They have 5 left side highly rated young players--- 2-SS and 3-3B . Now that Buchholz is injured and may be out for awhile, the Red Sox probably will be buyers of a starter.

#1swisher
07-19-2013, 02:13 PM
WEEI ‏@WEEI (https://twitter.com/WEEI)

Red Sox not willing to give top prospects for Matt Garza http://dlvr.it/3gp2zj (http://t.co/IwWJrDOXZU)

GAsoxfan
07-19-2013, 02:49 PM
I mean of the buyers. There isn't a likely buyer out there with as much prospect depth as Texas. Teams with prospect depth are more likely to deal higher end prospects. There are better teams, like the Twins and Cubs, but they're not buying.

Personally, I like the Red Sox and D'backs prospects better than the Rangers.

Tragg
07-19-2013, 03:03 PM
Personally, I like the Red Sox and D'backs prospects better than the Rangers.

Pirates, maybe even Indians.
BoSox interest in Peavy would make things interesting.

blandman
07-19-2013, 03:27 PM
Personally, I like the Red Sox and D'backs prospects better than the Rangers.

I just don't see the Red Sox dealing their position player prospects though. Not for Peavy, anyway. They're too good.

34rancher
07-19-2013, 05:30 PM
I just don't see the Red Sox dealing their position player prospects though. Not for Peavy, anyway. They're too good.

Whatever Jedi mind tricks it takes, unload him.

blandman
07-19-2013, 05:45 PM
Whatever Jedi mind tricks it takes, unload him.

The problem is right now he's probably worth a fringe prospect. He needs to rebuild value with a good start. Then we might be able to get a B for him.

SCCWS
07-19-2013, 05:56 PM
I just don't see the Red Sox dealing their position player prospects though. Not for Peavy, anyway. They're too good.

Heard on Boston radio today that Red Sox may be interested in a Peavy/Rios package. I don't think they will trade the top 3 position player( CF-SS-SS) prospects or a catcher they have in AA but they may offer the AA 3rd baseman ( Cecchini) who is very highly rated but has 2-3 other 3rd basemen in front of him.

soxfanreggie
07-19-2013, 06:23 PM
Heard on Boston radio today that Red Sox may be interested in a Peavy/Rios package. I don't think they will trade the top 3 position player( CF-SS-SS) prospects or a catcher they have in AA but they may offer the AA 3rd baseman ( Cecchini) who is very highly rated but has 2-3 other 3rd basemen in front of him.

If we're dumping one, might as well get rid of both and free up almost $30 mil in payroll in a year we probably won't be very competitive. I'm not as worried with pitching with how we seem to be able to plug guys into the rotation; however, hitting is where we need vast improvement.

PorkChopExpress
07-19-2013, 06:26 PM
Heard on Boston radio today that Red Sox may be interested in a Peavy/Rios package. I don't think they will trade the top 3 position player( CF-SS-SS) prospects or a catcher they have in AA but they may offer the AA 3rd baseman ( Cecchini) who is very highly rated but has 2-3 other 3rd basemen in front of him.

I like Cecchini. It looks like he's absolutely raking right now - .350/.469/.547/1.016. And very balanced - some doubles, triples, HR's, SB's and more walks than K's. But I only know what I can find on the internet, so what do I know.

blandman
07-19-2013, 06:33 PM
Heard on Boston radio today that Red Sox may be interested in a Peavy/Rios package. I don't think they will trade the top 3 position player( CF-SS-SS) prospects or a catcher they have in AA but they may offer the AA 3rd baseman ( Cecchini) who is very highly rated but has 2-3 other 3rd basemen in front of him.

I think Cecchini's passed all the rest. He was rated 21st in Keith Law's top prospects a few days ago, 2nd on the Saux. He's seen as their long term solution at the position. They aren't trading him unless it's Sale and Rios.

RCWHITESOX
07-19-2013, 06:47 PM
I think Cecchini's passed all the rest. He was rated 21st in Keith Law's top prospects a few days ago, 2nd on the Saux. He's seen as their long term solution at the position. They aren't trading him unless it's Sale and Rios.

If the Sox sent Sale and Rios to the Boston straight up for Cecchini I would be the first to say Sox management is pathetic. He's a prospect for crying out loud; this guy could be rated 21 one day and 121 another. Please Sale is a proven number 1 starter and is worth a hell of a lot more than Cecchini and some so called B prospects.

Boondock Saint
07-19-2013, 06:53 PM
I think Cecchini's passed all the rest. He was rated 21st in Keith Law's top prospects a few days ago, 2nd on the Saux. He's seen as their long term solution at the position. They aren't trading him unless it's Sale and Rios.

Trading 2 proven players for one prospect is how you end up on the rebuild for 20 years.

Tragg
07-19-2013, 06:56 PM
Trading 2 proven players for one prospect is how you end up on the rebuild for 20 years.

Not just a proven player; an elite starter who hasn't reached his peak and whose peak is higher then the prospect.

But this has a 0% chance of happening.

blandman
07-19-2013, 07:15 PM
I wasn't suggesting straight up, only that to give him up they'd have to feel they were getting considerably better.

Boondock Saint
07-19-2013, 07:20 PM
I wasn't suggesting straight up, only that to give him up they'd have to feel they were getting considerably better.

Gotcha. I'm pretty well resigned to the fact that what we'll be giving up won't be as good as what we get, but I at least want what we get to be decent, and for it to come in numbers.

Fastball23
07-19-2013, 08:05 PM
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 1m (https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/358376531699056640)
hiccup has occurred in garza/texas talks. teams still working but conclusion uncertain now. #cubs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23cubs&src=hash)

Fastball23
07-19-2013, 08:08 PM
Jeff Wilson ‏@JeffWilson_FWST 1m (https://twitter.com/JeffWilson_FWST/status/358377327673085954)
Neil Ramirez done after 3 1/3 innings and five runs allowed. Maybe he's taking a dive.

Tragg
07-19-2013, 08:44 PM
I never believed that it was imminent because there are 2 Garzas. The oft injured above-average pitcher, or the guy who's pitched like an ace for the last 6 weeks. Cubs want ace return; buyers don't want to pay that.

It should be a lot easier to set Peavy's value once his health is ascertained.

soxfanreggie
07-19-2013, 09:26 PM
Gotcha. I'm pretty well resigned to the fact that what we'll be giving up won't be as good as what we get, but I at least want what we get to be decent, and for it to come in numbers.

There is no way I can see a deal for Sale not including 3-4 prospects unless it's two amazing prospects or two MLB player-level prospects and someone is taking Dunn's entire contract off the books next year (even then, I doubt that type of deal and dump would happen).

That's actually an interesting question. What would dumping Dunn's $14 million be worth to you? What would you do with that space? If Peavy and Rios both go plus what we lose in Konerko, that would l be one drastically reduced payroll next year.

I never believed that it was imminent because there are 2 Garzas. The oft injured above-average pitcher, or the guy who's pitched like an ace for the last 6 weeks. Cubs want ace return; buyers don't want to pay that.

It should be a lot easier to set Peavy's value once his health is ascertained.

Even healthy, I don't see a nice offer for him. We may have to take what is perceived as "less" because of his extensive injury history.

SCCWS
07-19-2013, 10:29 PM
I think Cecchini's passed all the rest. He was rated 21st in Keith Law's top prospects a few days ago, 2nd on the Saux. He's seen as their long term solution at the position. They aren't trading him unless it's Sale and Rios.

He is actually 3rd on Sox list of prospects. But he is a 3rd baseman and both Middlebrooks and Iglesias are still ahead of him at that position. Since they are not minor leaguers, they are not considered prospects. With Pedroia locking up 2nd, they have a logjam at 3rd for the 3 young infielders. Bogaerts is their Number 1 prospect ticketed for SS.

Mr. Jinx
07-20-2013, 04:08 AM
There is no way I can see a deal for Sale not including 3-4 prospects unless it's two amazing prospects or two MLB player-level prospects and someone is taking Dunn's entire contract off the books next year (even then, I doubt that type of deal and dump would happen).

That's actually an interesting question. What would dumping Dunn's $14 million be worth to you? What would you do with that space? If Peavy and Rios both go plus what we lose in Konerko, that would l be one drastically reduced payroll next year.



Even healthy, I don't see a nice offer for him. We may have to take what is perceived as "less" because of his extensive injury history.

I don't know what I'd do, but I would bet that management would be pocketing $14 mil in that scenario without finding a suitable replacement.

soxfanreggie
07-20-2013, 08:43 AM
I don't know what I'd do, but I would bet that management would be pocketing $14 mil in that scenario without finding a suitable replacement.

We could probably find a suitable replacement for his batting average in A or AA. For the HR, you won't find someone, but I'm sure we could find someone to bat .250 or .260 for 1/3 the cost or less.

I'm ok with them pocketing the money for next year if they will use it for some Int'l FA signings, regular FA signings, or future extensions for guys we want to keep. After 2014, I hope they look at adding another year or two of years or club options for Sale. Not sure his Agent would be for it with the potential he could be a $25 million+ guy in a few years, but it's worth a try to see if we can add a year or two.

SoxSpeed22
07-23-2013, 09:16 PM
Alfonso Soriano going back to the Bronx?
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/yankees-trying-to-trade-for-alfonso-soriano-source-says-1.5751882

#1swisher
07-27-2013, 04:38 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal) 31m (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/361215991482564611)

Source says #Cubs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Cubs&src=hash) indeed listening on Samardzija, adds, “asking price high as expected.”