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TomBradley72
07-09-2013, 08:29 AM
2013 White Sox 34-52 --
1970 White Sox 29-55 4.0 GB

July 8, 1970

White Sox beat Milwaukee and Al Downing 2-1, Tommy John with the complete game 5 hitter.

I'd take C.May, K. Berry, B. Melton, L. Aparicio, E. Herrmann over the current starters, 2013 team as the edge in starting pitching.

Ventura vs. Gutteridge? Toss Up.

Railsplitter
07-09-2013, 09:22 AM
With respect to TomBradley72 and his 2013 vs 1970 thread (which reminds me of various comparison pieces the Trib used to run in seasons of contention)I decided to point out this fact in a separate thread.

As terrible as the 1970 team was {Their only winning pitcher was 1-0) it wasn't the worst team in terms of winning percentage.

The 1970 team went 56-106 for a .346 percentage

The 1932 Sox went 49-102 for a .318 percentage

To post a worse percentage than 1932 over a full season, the Sox would have to go 51-111 for a .315 percentage.

white sox bill
07-09-2013, 10:00 AM
With respect to TomBradley72 and his 2013 vs 1970 thread (which reminds me of various comparison pieces the Trib used to run in seasons of contention)I decided to point out this fact in a separate thread.

As terrible as the 1970 team was {Their only winning pitcher was 1-0) it wasn't the worst team in terms of winning percentage.

The 1970 team went 56-106 for a .346 percentage

The 1932 Sox went 49-102 for a .318 percentage

To post a worse percentage than 1932 over a full season, the Sox would have to go 51-111 for a .315 percentage.
Its possible

voodoochile
07-09-2013, 10:13 AM
Its possible

They started the dive too late. You can't be .500 in late May if you want to achieve that kind of notoriety. They needed to commit to full out tank mode in early April if they wanted to win less than 50 games...:tongue:

voodoochile
07-09-2013, 10:16 AM
You should reverse the standings. The 2013 team is 4 games behind the '72 team for the purposes of this thread. :tongue:

white sox bill
07-09-2013, 10:27 AM
They started the dive too late. You can't be .500 in late May if you want to achieve that kind of notoriety. They needed to commit to full out tank mode in early April if they wanted to win less than 50 games...:tongue:
:tongue: LOL....thanks for fixing my post (if your the one that did), thou should not talk on phone and type at same time!

white sox bill
07-09-2013, 12:18 PM
3rd worse record in MLB as of today. Shocked we are the worst

DSpivack
07-09-2013, 12:23 PM
With respect to TomBradley72 and his 2013 vs 1970 thread (which reminds me of various comparison pieces the Trib used to run in seasons of contention)I decided to point out this fact in a separate thread.

As terrible as the 1970 team was {Their only winning pitcher was 1-0) it wasn't the worst team in terms of winning percentage.

The 1970 team went 56-106 for a .346 percentage

The 1932 Sox went 49-102 for a .318 percentage

To post a worse percentage than 1932 over a full season, the Sox would have to go 51-111 for a .315 percentage.

I think there are fewer people here who remember the 1932 team. :tongue:

sox1970
07-09-2013, 12:26 PM
28-48 to lose 100:

Det 5-14
Min 5-6
Cle 4-6
KC 4-6
NY 2-4
Bal 1-3
Bos 1-2
Hou 2-1
Tex 1-2
Phi 1-2
Atl 1-2
Tor 1-0

That's pretty generous too. Wouldn't be surprised if they don't win 60 games.

FielderJones
07-09-2013, 01:21 PM
The 1932 Sox went 49-102 for a .318 percentage.

49 / 151 = .325 (.3245)

3rd worse record in MLB as of today. Shocked we are the worst

That 1932 team wasn't the worst (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1932/Y_1932.htm) either. Yikes!

Tragg
07-09-2013, 02:05 PM
We haven't even played Detroit yet, and our record is awful.

The Sox traded Berry and Aparicio after the 1970 season, I believe.
It's looking more and more like we're going to have to move some players we don't want to move like Santiago, Quintana, Reed, etc. if we want to remake this roster.

TomBradley72
07-09-2013, 02:09 PM
We haven't even played Detroit yet, and our record is awful.

Post trading deadline + all those games with Detroit- they could really give the 1970 team a "run".

Imagine an OF of De Aza, Tekotte, Danks (post Rios)

Tragg
07-09-2013, 02:45 PM
Post trading deadline + all those games with Detroit- they could really give the 1970 team a "run".

Imagine an OF of De Aza, Tekotte, Danks (post Rios)

You're overly pessimistic. Wise is already making his rehab starts, and will come to the rescue after the All Star Break.

Paulwny
07-09-2013, 03:10 PM
We haven't even played Detroit yet, and our record is awful.



But, just last week Hawk kept reminding everyone that the Sox still had 19 games with Detroit.
I had to laugh, did he really expect the sky to open and a ray come from the heavens go into the Sox dugout and turn **** into gold?

Irishsox1
07-09-2013, 03:12 PM
This is the worst Sox team I have seen ever in my life. Worse than the 1989 Sox.

LITTLE NELL
07-09-2013, 03:20 PM
This is the worst Sox team I have seen ever in my life. Worse than the 1989 Sox.

I witnessed the 1970 team and never in my worse nightmares did I believe I would ever see a repeat of that season but here we are in 2013 and it looks like it might happen. The good news is things can turn around in no time, the 71 Sox under Chuck Tanner and some nice trades by Roland Hemond improved by 23 games and won 79 games. Richie Allen came aboard in 1972 and we almost won the division. We went 87-67 in 72 in a strike shortened season and played .565 ball which comes out to 92-70 in a 162 game season, so theoreticly we improved by 36 games in two short years and contended for a division title and if Melton had not hurt his back the Sox might have won the division.

BigKlu59
07-09-2013, 04:13 PM
I witnessed the 1970 team and never in my worse nightmares did I believe I would ever see a repeat of that season but here we are in 2013 and it looks like it might happen. The good news is things can turn around in no time, the 71 Sox under Chuck Tanner and some nice trades by Roland Hemond improved by 23 games and won 79 games. Richie Allen came aboard in 1972 and we almost won the division. We went 87-67 in 72 in a strike shortened season and played .565 ball which comes out to 92-70 in a 162 game season, so theoreticly we improved by 36 games in two short years and contended for a division title and if Melton had not hurt his back the Sox might have won the division.

Yup, they climbed back to repectability and could have gone on a run except for running into those damn reborn mustached A's and Beltin' coming up lame... I even remarked to a Cubs fan friend of mine that I didnt know how he could handle losing like that year in and year out.. 70 was an inevitable crash after 20 years of almost Annies.. I never had known a Sox team that had "LOST" on such an epic scale.. What sucked even more was watching Sox prospects flourish with other organizations. When the Tigers and Mets were winning with former Sox on the roster I just used to shake my head at the woulda couldas...

The 70 team atleast played like they gave a ****.. These guys are past going thru the motions...They dont care if we see them pickin their butts, chewing on their gloves and stompin dandelions... The only thing missing is the sound of the ice cream truck in the backround distracting the pitcher so he heaves one over the backstop and heads for the street...

So with that said... Lets go 1970 White Sox !!!!!

BK59

BK59

TomBradley72
07-09-2013, 07:29 PM
I witnessed the 1970 team and never in my worse nightmares did I believe I would ever see a repeat of that season but here we are in 2013 and it looks like it might happen. The good news is things can turn around in no time, the 71 Sox under Chuck Tanner and some nice trades by Roland Hemond improved by 23 games and won 79 games. Richie Allen came aboard in 1972 and we almost won the division. We went 87-67 in 72 in a strike shortened season and played .565 ball which comes out to 92-70 in a 162 game season, so theoreticly we improved by 36 games in two short years and contended for a division title and if Melton had not hurt his back the Sox might have won the division.

Yep- if Carlos May kept his thumb and Melton doesn't hurt his back- the 1972-75 White Sox would have been something.

TomBradley72
07-09-2013, 07:33 PM
This is the worst Sox team I have seen ever in my life. Worse than the 1989 Sox.

The '89 team showed some hope- played .507 ball in the 2nd half- acquiring Sosa, Fletcher and Alvarez + Fisk, Guillen, Calderon- and a good manager in Torborg.

The core of a very good 1990 team-

Railsplitter
07-09-2013, 10:22 PM
49 / 151 = .325 (.3245)

yeah, I punched up 154 on the calculator. Which would make 52-110 a worse record.


That 1932 team wasn't the worst (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1932/Y_1932.htm) either. Yikes!

I was wondering if somebody would bring that up. One of the bizarre episodes of a team that has seen it's share of them.

TommyJohn
07-10-2013, 08:03 AM
The 1987 White Sox were on a pace to catch the 1970 squad-they were also at 34-52. Then they rallied with a 19-9 September and finished at 77-85. Now I am not saying the 2013 squad has that in them-after all, they are lifeless, gutless, heartless, brainless and every other -less, and are the worst team ever created (and I hope Kenny Williams pays for this!) but there is always hope that this team won't top the 1970 Sox. Don't give up.

TomBradley72
07-10-2013, 08:36 AM
2013 White Sox 35-52 --
1970 White Sox 30-55 4 GB

July 9, 1970

White Sox win at Milwaukee, 6-5.

Aparicio goes 4-5, May and Herrmann homer,

Jerry Crider picks up the win over Skip Lockwood.

voodoochile
07-10-2013, 10:26 AM
The 1987 White Sox were on a pace to catch the 1970 squad-they were also at 34-52. Then they rallied with a 19-9 September and finished at 77-85. Now I am not saying the 2013 squad has that in them-after all, they are lifeless, gutless, heartless, brainless and every other -less, and are the worst team ever created (and I hope Kenny Williams pays for this!) but there is always hope that this team won't top the 1970 Sox. Don't give up.

:rolling:

Well done, sir...

TomBradley72
07-15-2013, 10:51 AM
2013 White Sox 37-55 --
1970 White Sox 31-58 4.5 GB

Last game before the All Star break- July 12, 1970

White Sox win at Kansas City, 10-5.

Aparicio goes 3-5, Ken Berry 2-5, with 2 doubles and 4 RBIs, Bobby Knoop 4-5.

Tommy John picks up the win over Dick Drago.

mahagga73
07-15-2013, 11:43 AM
The 1987 White Sox were on a pace to catch the 1970 squad-they were also at 34-52. Then they rallied with a 19-9 September and finished at 77-85. Now I am not saying the 2013 squad has that in them-after all, they are lifeless, gutless, heartless, brainless and every other -less, and are the worst team ever created (and I hope Kenny Williams pays for this!) but there is always hope that this team won't top the 1970 Sox. Don't give up.LOL, man, I doubled over on this one, funniest post in awhile.

cards press box
07-15-2013, 12:10 PM
Boy, I hope the 2013 Sox do a lot better in the second half and stave off comparisons to the 1970 Sox.

But if the race is on, then I suppose The Race Is On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU1dY2lV2gM).

TDog
07-18-2013, 09:16 PM
They started the dive too late. You can't be .500 in late May if you want to achieve that kind of notoriety. They needed to commit to full out tank mode in early April if they wanted to win less than 50 games...:tongue:

The 1970 White Sox were two games under .500 in mid-May. Going into a scheduled May 17 Sunday doubleheader and riding a four-game winning streak, there was a Don Gutteridge quote in the Tribune about sweeping "and then we'll be .500."

This White Sox team doesn't compare in futility to the 1970 team. Bill Melton was moved to right field in July because he was making so many errors at third base, including a dropped pop up that left him with a broken nose. In the other corner, Carlos May is one of my favorite players of all time, but the year after his mortar injury didn't help his defense. Once after fielding a ball down the third-base line, he missed the cut-off man with a throw in the stands behind third base.

Lack of defense, despite having Herrmann, Aparicio, Knoop and Berry to play up the middle, was a huge problem. The team gave up 100 unearned runs and gave up enough earned runs to have the worst ERA in the American League. It wasn't even close. They were about one-third of a run worse than the next worse team, the Brewers, who the year before had been the expansion Pilots.

The only pitcher to start at least 12 games with an ERA less than a run above the league average was Tommy John. The only other pitcher other than John with more than 200 innings was Gerry Janeski, who finished second in starts on the team. He was a rookie who pitched 205 of his 280 big-league innings that year. A few players barely hung on in the majors after being traded from the 1970 White Sox. I think there were 10 players on that team who never played in the majors after 1970.

The 1970 White Sox were in the bottom half of the league in runs scored and gave up more runs than anyone else by a wide margin.

The 1970 team makes the current team look like a contender.

PKalltheway
07-18-2013, 09:37 PM
The 1970 White Sox were in the bottom half of the league in runs scored and gave up more runs than anyone else by a wide margin.

The 1970 team makes the current team look like a contender.

Really, pitching is the only edge this current Sox team has over that one. This year's Sox won't lose 106 games, but if (or when) they do trade away most or all of the major pieces...oh boy.

Railsplitter
07-18-2013, 10:53 PM
This year's Sox have already won more games than what is probably the worst team in AL history: the 1916 Philadelphia Athletics who went 36-117 that year.

TDog
07-19-2013, 01:04 AM
Really, pitching is the only edge this current Sox team has over that one. This year's Sox won't lose 106 games, but if (or when) they do trade away most or all of the major pieces...oh boy.

Pitching is a big difference. If you have pitching, you don't need much hitting to win a championship. The 1970 White Sox were among the lowest scoring teams in the league, although they exploded a few times, 22 runs against the Red Sox to give Floyd Weaver his only major league win, 11 runs in the ninth against the Red Sox to win a 13-5 game (Wilbur Wood doubled in that inning). About 50 of their games were decided by one run, and they lost two thirds of those. They lost a lot of games because they didn't hit. They lost a lot more games because they didn't pitch well. One Friday night they built an 8-1 lead through five against the A's and lost 9-8.

About 50 games were decided by five or more runs, and they lost about two thirds of those. They lost about two thirds of the rest of the games. So they weren't totally inconsistent.

Essentially they had one reliable starting pitcher, and even he would be gone in two years. At the June 15 trade deadline, they traded for two starters, one more dreadful than the other, the other being one of the two Bob Millers to play for the 1962 Mets. In addition to having only one reliable starter, they had only one reliable reliever. Wilbur Wood may have been the only pitcher from the 1972 team who pitched any significant innings for the 1970 White Sox, which seems extreme for the pre-free agency days.

The pitching in 1970 was far worse than the 2013 White Sox. The defense in 1970 played even worse than this year's team. If the offense was better in 1970, it wasn't much better.

TomBradley72
07-19-2013, 05:49 PM
Heading into tonight's game-

2013 White Sox 37-55 --
1970 White Sox 31-61 6.0 GB

July 18, 1970

White Sox lose at Comiskey vs. Detroit 5-4.

Aparicio picks up 3 hits, 2 apiece for Carlos May and Duane Josephson.

Mickey Lolich picks up the win over Jim Magnuson.

TDog
07-19-2013, 06:46 PM
Heading into tonight's game-

2013 White Sox 37-55 --
1970 White Sox 31-61 6.0 GB

July 18, 1970

White Sox lose at Comiskey vs. Detroit 5-4.

Aparicio picks up 3 hits, 2 apiece for Carlos May and Duane Josephson.

Mickey Lolich picks up the win over Jim Magnuson.


When I saw the score and the opponent, I thought I had been to this game, but, of course, I went the night before for my birthday when the Sox lost 4-3 in the Tommy John-Denny McLain matchup. That game ended with Ed Herrmann grounding out softly to the pitcher with two outs and the bases loaded after the Tigers took the lead in the top of the ninth. I watched this game on Channel 32, though. Bill Melton took three strikes to end the game with the tying run at second and the winning run on first.

soxfan1965
07-20-2013, 08:58 AM
The 70 team at least played like they gave a ****.. These guys are past going thru the motions...They dont care if we see them pickin their butts, chewing on their gloves and stompin dandelions...


I witnessed the 1970 team and never in my worse nightmares did I believe I would ever see a repeat of that season but here we are in 2013 and it looks like it might happen. The good news is things can turn around in no time, the 71 Sox under Chuck Tanner and some nice trades by Roland Hemond improved by 23 games and won 79 games. Richie Allen came aboard in 1972 and we almost won the division. We went 87-67 in 72 in a strike shortened season and played .565 ball which comes out to 92-70 in a 162 game season, so theoretically we improved by 36 games in two short years and contended for a division title and if Melton had not hurt his back the Sox might have won the division.

Good comments and background from the 1970 season, especially to those who lived through it. 1970 was a feeling of hopelessness. 2013 is more of anger. In asking him about 1970, Melton once told me that before free agency you just hope for the best and look forward to next year. 1970 was just the bottom the Sox had to get to before 1972. For me 2013 focuses on the blunders the GM made. Bloggers in DC noted a few years back that Dunn had no takers before he signed with Sox. And Rios lack of hustle was known before (and given what this guy is paid there is no excuse for jogging to first). Having said that, being the GM of the Sox in a Cubs town (with a stadium makeover coming) is tough. Attendance is very dependent on performance. Maybe that explains the risky moves (that backfired) that were made. But what makes 2013 more tolerable is there is still mileage from 2005 left. 1970 there was nothing to look behind to and little hope for future. Let's hope Hahn can rebuild the team from this bottom.

TommyJohn
07-27-2013, 10:37 AM
Don't look back!

Remember when the Sun-Times ran that headline when comparing the 2005 White Sox to the 1969 Cubs? And how apt it was, seeing as how the 2005 White Sox performed the most spectacular choke in baseball history! YES!

Whoa. Sorry. I just confused reality with Chicago media wet dreams. Anyway, I am reviving that quaint l'il headline to do our 1970-2013 comparison.

After 100 games:

1970 White Sox 34-66 GB 30.5

2013 White Sox 40-60 GB 16

So the 2013ers are ahead of the record pace. On the other hand, they are still on a pace to lose 100 games, which they have not done since that wonderous 1970 season. But at least the 1970 team was composed of MEN. They CARED. They just weren't in it for the money. They wanted to play. Not like this gutless, heartless, brainless, listless lessless collection of dopes. The 1970 Sox lost 106 games, but every single one of those glorious 106 losses was accomplished with heart.

SI1020
07-27-2013, 11:00 AM
Don't look back!

Remember when the Sun-Times ran that headline when comparing the 2005 White Sox to the 1969 Cubs? And how apt it was, seeing as how the 2005 White Sox performed the most spectacular choke in baseball history! YES!

Whoa. Sorry. I just confused reality with Chicago media wet dreams. Anyway, I am reviving that quaint l'il headline to do our 1970-2013 comparison.

After 100 games:

1970 White Sox 34-66 GB 30.5

2013 White Sox 40-60 GB 16

So the 2013ers are ahead of the record pace. On the other hand, they are still on a pace to lose 100 games, which they have not done since that wonderous 1970 season. But at least the 1970 team was composed of MEN. They CARED. They just weren't in it for the money. They wanted to play. Not like this gutless, heartless, brainless, listless lessless collection of dopes. The 1970 Sox lost 106 games, but every single one of those glorious 106 losses was accomplished with heart. I appreciate the sarcasm, it gave me a badly needed laugh. I still prefer the 1970 team to this years vintage. They just might be the first Sox team in over 50 years of fandom that I actually don't like. Brainless listless lessless? Yeah that about describes them on the baseball field.

JermaineDye05
07-27-2013, 11:17 AM
How's next year's draft class looking? It'd be if the Sox could get a top 10 or even top 5 pick.

vinny
08-01-2013, 03:32 PM
After 106 games:

1970 White Sox 37-69 28.5 GB
2013 White Sox 40-66 21.0 GB (for now)

We've been stuck on 40 wins for a while. The 1970 team got to 40 on August 5. It's gonna be a close race!

white sox bill
08-01-2013, 03:45 PM
I hope Sox fans everywhere can appreciate the magnitude of just how inept this sorry excuse for a team is. To be in the running to match this level of incompetence is very hard to accomplish. My hats off to all them.

boiker
08-01-2013, 04:24 PM
I hope Sox fans everywhere can appreciate the magnitude of just how inept this sorry excuse for a team is. To be in the running to match this level of incompetence is very hard to accomplish. My hats off to all them.

Honestly, I've never been this excited about a losing season. I hate when they are middling. Give me horrible or give me great.

RCWHITESOX
08-01-2013, 04:53 PM
I remember as a kid watching the 1970 team and as pathetic as they were they still were more entertaining to watch then this overpaid outfit is. They had Horlen,T John,Wood,Aparicio,K Berry,C May,B Melton, and T McCraw. This team has Sale, Konerko and Reed and not much else to get you to come to the ballpark.

captain54
08-01-2013, 05:48 PM
I hope Sox fans everywhere can appreciate the magnitude of just how inept this sorry excuse for a team is. To be in the running to match this level of incompetence is very hard to accomplish. My hats off to all them.

kudos to you. the best post I have read all year.

SOXSINCE'70
08-01-2013, 05:58 PM
Give me horrible or give me great.


You got your wish this year.No in-between.This team is HORRIBLE!!:angry:

white sox bill
08-01-2013, 05:58 PM
Honestly, I've never been this excited about a losing season. I hate when they are middling. Give me horrible or give me great.
You no doubt got the former.

TomBradley72
08-03-2013, 09:35 AM
Heading into tonight's game-

2013 White Sox 40-67 --
1970 White Sox 38-70 2.5 GB

August 2, 1970

White Sox split doubleheader with Cleveland.

Lose the opener, 4-2 with Jerry Crider taking the loss.

Win the nightcap 8-7, with 2 runs in the botoom of the 9th on a Bill Melton walk off homer! Wilbur Wood with the in win in relief.

I'm beginning to like the 1970 team ALOT more than this year's team.

BigKlu59
08-03-2013, 12:45 PM
Heading into tonight's game-

2013 White Sox 40-67 --
1970 White Sox 38-70 2.5 GB

August 2, 1970

White Sox split doubleheader with Cleveland.

Lose the opener, 4-2 with Jerry Crider taking the loss.

Win the nightcap 8-7, with 2 runs in the botoom of the 9th on a Bill Melton walk off homer! Wilbur Wood with the in win in relief.

I'm beginning to like the 1970 team ALOT more than this year's team.


There is a reason for that. See bold above.. As bad as they were they gave all that they had to the last out. 2013 team seems to just be going thru the motions without an organ beating in their chests..

BK59

Hitmen77
08-05-2013, 08:11 PM
After 109 games, the 1970 Sox were 38-71. Sweet Lou went 4 for 5 as the Royals, in their 2nd season of existence, beat the Sox 7-2 in game #109. Attendance at Comiskey.....er "White Sox Park" was 3,587!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA197008030.shtml

We're only 2 games back! I don't know whether to scream, laugh, or cry.

....at least the fans in 1970 had Nancy Faust.

This is the worst Sox team I have seen ever in my life. Worse than the 1989 Sox.

I actually enjoyed watching the '89 Sox. Unlike this year's team, they had an exciting core of young talent.

I appreciate the sarcasm, it gave me a badly needed laugh. I still prefer the 1970 team to this years vintage. They just might be the first Sox team in over 50 years of fandom that I actually don't like. Brainless listless lessless? Yeah that about describes them on the baseball field.

What about the 2011 White Sox? While not as bad as this year's team, that team quit just about every time they trailed in a game and had a manager who spent the season with one foot on a plane to Miami. They were pretty unlikeable/unwatchable.

Two unlikeable, unwatchable teams in the last 3 seasons - wow! Why won't Sox fans support their team? The only explanation I can think of is a lousy fan base.

KenBerryGrab
08-05-2013, 09:06 PM
This is the worst I've felt about our Sox since Carlos May met that mortar shell. Go back to the red unis next year for a clean slate.

Hitmen77
08-10-2013, 01:08 PM
Only 1 game behind the 1970 team!

2013: 43-71
1970: 42-72

In their 114th game, the '70 team beat the 2nd place California Angels 8-1 in front of 2,679 fans for a Saturday game at Comiskey Park. In the lineup for the Halos that day were Sandy Alomar Sr, future Sox manager Jim Fregosi, and future South Side Hitman Jim Spencer.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA197008080.shtml

The Sox have their work cut out for them to keep pace. The 1970 team went on to lose 10 of their next 11 games.

voodoochile
08-10-2013, 02:02 PM
Only 1 game behind the 1970 team!

2013: 43-71
1970: 42-72

In their 114th game, the '70 team beat the 2nd place California Angels 8-1 in front of 2,679 fans for a Saturday game at Comiskey Park. In the lineup for the Halos that day were Sandy Alomar Sr, future Sox manager Jim Fregosi, and future South Side Hitman Jim Spencer.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA197008080.shtml

The Sox have their work cut out for them to keep pace. The 1970 team went on to lose 10 of their next 11 games.

Considering we've lost 12 in a row to the ALC and the vast majority of the games left are against the ALC the current team has a legitimate shot...

TommyJohn
08-10-2013, 03:32 PM
The 1970 Sox sure earned those 106 losses. The loss to which these Sox aspire, number 106, happened on the final day of the season, and in typical fashion-the Sox were down 3-1 in the top of the 9th vs. the Angels in Anaheim when Walt Williams struck a game-tying home run. In the top of the 11th Bill Melton hit his 33rd homer of the season to give them a 4-3 lead which they couldn't hold. They lost in the bottom of the inning on a game-winning hit by Mel Queen-the Angels pitcher.

But it was a loss with heart. I only hope that the 2013 Sox show as much heart if/when they chalk up number 106.

Hitmen77
08-16-2013, 03:16 PM
After 120 games, the 2013 Sox (46-74) are 3 games up on the infamous 1970 squad (43-77). In game 120, the '70 team lost to the Washington Senators in 10 innings 5-6 at RFK Stadium on 8/14/70:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/WS2/WS2197008140.shtml

Tommy John started the game and Wilbur Wood took the loss.

By the way, in 1970 the average price of a new car was $3,500 and the average price of a house was $25,000.:o:

TDog
08-16-2013, 07:40 PM
After 120 games, the 2013 Sox (46-74) are 3 games up on the infamous 1970 squad (43-77). In game 120, the '70 team lost to the Washington Senators in 10 innings 5-6 at RFK Stadium on 8/14/70:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/WS2/WS2197008140.shtml

Tommy John started the game and Wilbur Wood took the loss.

By the way, in 1970 the average price of a new car was $3,500 and the average price of a house was $25,000.:o:

Interesting that the average price of a house was about twice the major league minimum salary and now the average price of a house less than half the major league minimum.

The 1970 White Sox lost 13 of the last 16 games, the games Chuck Tanner managed at the end of the season. The team didn't trade away any veterans midseason, though as the current team has. They did allow Aparicio to go home a week early after he broke the games-played-at-shortstop record.

The 1970 White Sox actually claimed a veteran reliever off waivers in September, much to the anger of the pitcher, Steve Hamilton, who had been headed to a contender if he had cleared waivers. It was quite a year for Hamilton who on one hand threw a pitch that inspired an Indians hitter to slash his wrists and quit baseball. It ended with a whimper in the cold White Sox bullpen, out of which he got only three innings of work to end his American League career.

Railsplitter
08-16-2013, 10:52 PM
By the way, in 1970 the average price of a new car was $3,500 and the average price of a house was $25,000.:o:
A first class postage stamp was 6 cents.

RadioheadRocks
08-16-2013, 11:15 PM
A first class postage stamp was 6 cents.


We all listened to WLS or WCFL on our transistor radios. Pretty cool year for hit music!

cards press box
08-30-2013, 12:47 AM
We all listened to WLS or WCFL on our transistor radios. Pretty cool year for hit music!

I loved the transistor radio. Great for listening to the ballgame or, as you say, WCFL or WLS.

Anyway, after 132 games:

2013: 56-76

1970: 48-84

Things are looking up.

TDog
08-30-2013, 02:42 AM
I loved the transistor radio. Great for listening to the ballgame or, as you say, WCFL or WLS.

Anyway, after 132 games:

2013: 56-76

1970: 48-84

Things are looking up.

Now it would take a 30 game losing streak to end up with the same record as the 1970 White Sox.

I never believed this year's team was in the same category of bad as the 1970 team.

cards press box
08-30-2013, 09:19 AM
I never believed this year's team was in the same category of bad as the 1970 team.

I agree.

Hitmen77
09-05-2013, 04:59 PM
Now it would take a 30 game losing streak to end up with the same record as the 1970 White Sox.


Still stuck at 56 wins....6 losses down, 24 to go. :tongue:

The 2013 Sox (56-82) are 7 games up on the '70 squad. In the 138th game of the 1970 season, the Sox lost 4-3 to the A's in Oakland.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK197009030.shtml

Playing for the A's that day were lots of familiar names: Rick Monday, Bert Campaneris, Reggie Jackson, Rollie Fingers, etc.

We're not likely to catch the '70 team in futility, but we might catch the '76 team that finished with 97 losses. After 138 games, the '76 team is 3 games ahead of this year's squad with a 59-79 record. :(:

In '76, the Sox beat Oakland 6-5.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK197609080.shtml

Several of the same names in the '76 box score for Oakland as from the '70 game. Fingers, Campaneris, Tenace, Rudi. Interesting that future White Sox slacker Claudell Washington was in the lineup for the A's that day. As was Willie McCovey:?:. I thought he played his entire career with the Giants.

RCWHITESOX
09-06-2013, 01:30 AM
Still stuck at 56 wins....6 losses down, 24 to go. :tongue:

The 2013 Sox (56-82) are 7 games up on the '70 squad. In the 138th game of the 1970 season, the Sox lost 4-3 to the A's in Oakland.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK197009030.shtml

Playing for the A's that day were lots of familiar names: Rick Monday, Bert Campaneris, Reggie Jackson, Rollie Fingers, etc.

We're not likely to catch the '70 team in futility, but we might catch the '76 team that finished with 97 losses. After 138 games, the '76 team is 3 games ahead of this year's squad with a 59-79 record. :(:

In '76, the Sox beat Oakland 6-5.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK197609080.shtml

Several of the same names in the '76 box score for Oakland as from the '70 game. Fingers, Campaneris, Tenace, Rudi. Interesting that future White Sox slacker Claudell Washington was in the lineup for the A's that day. As was Willie McCovey:?:. I thought he played his entire career with the Giants.

Make that 7 in a row. White Sox baseball you have to love it.

October26
09-06-2013, 09:26 AM
It has been a rough 2013 year for me personally taking care of elderly parents and my own family so I have not had much time to post here on WSI. I do periodically check Sox scores and stats via the MLB app on my phone. Today, I opened the MLB app and saw that the Sox now have 83 losses. So sad. :(:

Zakath
09-06-2013, 10:01 AM
Make that 7 in a row. White Sox baseball you have to love it.

We knew this was going to be a bad road trip, having to do Boston, New York, and Baltimore all in a row, but didn't know it was going to be THIS bad.

Hitmen77
09-07-2013, 05:09 PM
make that 7 in a row. White sox baseball you have to love it.

9.

captain54
09-07-2013, 10:47 PM
8-12 the rest of the way to equal the 76' record.. 64-97 (and they lost 15 of the last 16 that year)

6-15 the rest of the way to 100 losses.

0 -21 the rest of the way to equal 70' record.. 56-106

other stuff...

the Sox were 24-24 on 5/26.. since then, 32-61 .. within a span of 7 weeks they have had one 10 game and one 9 game losing streak

Zakath
09-08-2013, 12:25 AM
8-12 the rest of the way to equal the 76' record.. 64-97 (and they lost 15 of the last 16 that year)

6-15 the rest of the way to 100 losses.

0 -21 the rest of the way to equal 70' record.. 56-106

other stuff...

the Sox were 24-24 on 5/26.. since then, 32-61 .. within a span of 7 weeks they have had one 10 game and one 9 game losing streak

That 32-61 also included a 16-7 stretch in August. Outside of that, they've gone 16-54 since Memorial Day. :puking:

Hitmen77
09-08-2013, 05:16 PM
The Sox clinch a better record than the 1970 team! And it took them until Sept 8 to accomplish this. #makeanimpact

In honor of this, I think the Sox should wear 1970 throwback jerseys for the rest of the season. Someone e-mail Brooks!

SOXBOY
09-08-2013, 08:48 PM
I was hoping to lose more than 1970 team.

Hitmen77
09-15-2013, 11:49 AM
The dreadful 1976 team was 5 games better than us at this point in the season. In game #148 on 9/16/76, the Sox lost to the Rangers in front of 1,800 people at Comiskey Park:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA197609160.shtml

Tragg
09-15-2013, 10:39 PM
At least in 1970, we knew we'd be bad at the start.

Noneck
09-15-2013, 11:31 PM
The dreadful 1976 team was 5 games better than us at this point in the season. In game #148 on 9/16/76, the Sox lost to the Rangers in front of 1,800 people at Comiskey Park:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA197609160.shtml


I think thats when attendance was people in the park not tics sold. Wonder what todays would have been.

Hitmen77
09-16-2013, 02:56 PM
I think thats when attendance was people in the park not tics sold. Wonder what todays would have been.

That's what the National League did back then, not the American League.

Even if the AL counted it that way, a comparison to yesterday's crowd is only relevant if it was raining pretty much all day on 9/16/76 and the game was delayed for hours.