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ChiSoxGal85
07-04-2013, 07:45 PM
Interesting!

Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN) 29m (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/352928456046157825) #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash) have designated Hector Gimenez for assignment and will promote Josh Phegley on Friday. http://bit.ly/1aHwdmK (http://t.co/0ECArjjJXp)


Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox) 1h (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox/status/352920392651907074)
Danks optioned to AAA Charlotte http://es.pn/1aHsjdy (http://t.co/egPgEVzoTw)

View summary (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox/status/352920392651907074)

Golden Sox
07-04-2013, 07:49 PM
I'm glad to see this. Phegley deserves a chance and I'm hoping he takes advantage of it. If he performs well the rest of the season we don't have to get another catcher in the off season.

WLL1855
07-04-2013, 08:23 PM
Nothing like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic I say.

soxnut1018
07-04-2013, 08:45 PM
Phegley's been playing well and his name is fun to say. Good move.

Brian26
07-04-2013, 09:17 PM
They DFA'd the wrong catcher.

WhiteSox5187
07-04-2013, 09:34 PM
They DFA'd the wrong catcher.

I agree. I think Phegley should start for the second half and Flowers should be his backup. All I really want our catchers to do is to at least catch the damned ball.

TomBradley72
07-04-2013, 09:39 PM
they dfa'd the wrong catcher.

+1

waldo_the_wolf
07-04-2013, 09:46 PM
they dfa'd the wrong catcher.

+1

+2

StillMissOzzie
07-04-2013, 10:05 PM
Guess it was late enough to avoid super two status on Phegley, and +3 on DFAing the wrong catcher. Too early for Hahn to admit his mistake, IMHO.

SMO

GlassSox
07-04-2013, 11:18 PM
Oh no, who's going to pinch hit? :redneck

DickAllen72
07-04-2013, 11:19 PM
They DFA'd the wrong catcher.
You took the words right off of my keyboard! :wink:

gosox41
07-05-2013, 12:07 AM
I'm glad to see this. Phegley deserves a chance and I'm hoping he takes advantage of it. If he performs well the rest of the season we don't have to get another catcher in the off season.

Unless Phegley is going to be the starting catcher, this is pointless. He needs to play everyday. So does Flowers. And 80 games is far from a fair sample size to judge Flowers.


Bob

SoxSpeed22
07-05-2013, 01:35 AM
Might as well see what we've got with Phegley. If he steps up, great, if not, they will have to address catcher in the offseason.

cards press box
07-05-2013, 02:02 AM
Nothing like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic I say.

No, I disagree. This is the start of transitioning away from the way the 2013 Sox were constructed. Josh Phegley (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=phegle001jos) has had a strong offensive year at Charlotte. Calling him up is a good idea.

Guess it was late enough to avoid super two status on Phegley, and +3 on DFAing the wrong catcher. Too early for Hahn to admit his mistake, IMHO.

SMO

+4 on Flowers. But, as I said, calling up Phegley is certainly a start and more moves are surely coming.

forrestg
07-05-2013, 02:15 AM
Maybe Flowers is going to be traded. Has to be a need for catchers that can't neither hit or catch or hold on to the ball when tagging runners at the plate.

WhiteSox5187
07-05-2013, 02:15 AM
Unless Phegley is going to be the starting catcher, this is pointless. He needs to play everyday. So does Flowers. And 80 games is far from a fair sample size to judge Flowers.


Bob

Were Flowers' struggles limited only to offense I would be inclined to agree with you but Flowers has shown a fundamental inability to consistently catch the ball. In that case, 80 games is more than enough of a sample size to judge Flowers.

Mr. White Sox
07-05-2013, 02:18 AM
Unless Phegley is going to be the starting catcher, this is pointless. He needs to play everyday. So does Flowers. And 80 games is far from a fair sample size to judge Flowers.


Bob

how about 172 career games?

.205/.287/.382 with a 33% K-rate. 7 passed balls in 64 games this year is unacceptable as well.

At this point, I don't care if he's going to eventually blossom into a decent catcher. He needs a change of scenery, both for his own good and for the good of fans who enjoy a well-played, polished game of baseball.

I guess that sounds harsh (and it's easy to say from an armchair), but this team is incredibly hard to watch, and he's a big reason why.

cards press box
07-05-2013, 02:20 AM
Were Flowers' struggles limited only to offense I would be inclined to agree with you but Flowers has shown a fundamental inability to consistently catch the ball. In that case, 80 games is more than enough of a sample size to judge Flowers.

Has anyone else noticed that Flowers has had some trouble throwing the ball lately, too? I am starting to think that the reserve role masked some of his deficiencies the past two years and that he cannot start consistently without those deficiencies being overexposed.

TomBradley72
07-05-2013, 07:44 AM
He's 27 years old- .206 career batting avg across 540 plate appearances- "he is what he is"- which is not very good and well below expectations on defense.

He's a back up at best- or might just be a "AAAA" player- great stats at AAA but can't make the transition to MLB.

DumpJerry
07-05-2013, 08:05 AM
Who is replacing Danks?

kittle42
07-05-2013, 08:51 AM
Unless Phegley is going to be the starting catcher, this is pointless. He needs to play everyday. So does Flowers. And 80 games is far from a fair sample size to judge Flowers.

I heard somewhere it takes 1,000 ABs.

Frater Perdurabo
07-05-2013, 09:05 AM
I heard somewhere it takes 1,000 ABs.

I understand your snark.

However, Flowers has shown he's not a very good defensive catcher. At least Brian Anderson was an excellent fielder, despite the fact that he couldn't hit anything but fastballs.

tstrike2000
07-05-2013, 09:14 AM
I just like the name Phegley, and oh, hopefully he can also play.

October26
07-05-2013, 09:19 AM
Interesting!

Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN) 29m (https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/352928456046157825) #WhiteSox (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhiteSox&src=hash) have designated Hector Gimenez for assignment and will promote Josh Phegley on Friday. http://bit.ly/1aHwdmK (http://t.co/0ECArjjJXp)


Doug Padilla ‏@ESPNChiSox (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox) 1h (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox/status/352920392651907074)
Danks optioned to AAA Charlotte http://es.pn/1aHsjdy (http://t.co/egPgEVzoTw)

View summary (https://twitter.com/ESPNChiSox/status/352920392651907074)




Very interesting! My dad will be happy to see a Sox prospect who is a catcher. I have been dreaming of the day the Sox have a catcher who can throw runners out. Hoping today is that day!

Phegley's been playing well and his name is fun to say. Good move.

And how does one pronounce Phegley? Rhymes with vaguely?

Domeshot17
07-05-2013, 09:41 AM
I am not much of a Phegley fan, but I pray to god he translate this year in the minors to MLB success.

Mr. Jinx
07-05-2013, 09:51 AM
Who is replacing Danks?

Most likely a cardboard cutout of a real MLB player.

DirtySox
07-05-2013, 09:51 AM
I agree. I think Phegley should start for the second half and Flowers should be his backup. All I really want our catchers to do is to at least catch the damned ball.

Phegley's defense should be similar or worse. He's not strong behind the plate other than possessing a good arm. He has 8 passed balls in 60 games in Charlotte. Flowers has 7 passed balls in 65 games in Chicago. It's not going to get easier with the better breaking stuff he's going to be catching in the majors. We are going to have two sub-par defenders at catcher the rest of this season. I'm hoping Phegley's bat is noticeably better though.

harwar
07-05-2013, 11:47 AM
Hector Gimenez is at least adequate on defense and that kid hustles in everything he does .. i like that .. also, the Sox are going nowhere this year so why keep Flowers .. looking forward to seeing Phegley .. there shouldn't be much pressure on him, other than the usual for a young player getting his first call-up..

cards press box
07-05-2013, 11:59 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if the Sox acquire a catcher in one of their deadline deals. I just don't see Flowers catching for the Sox very much longer.

ChiSoxGal85
07-05-2013, 12:02 PM
Chicago White Sox ‏@whitesox (https://twitter.com/whitesox) 31m (https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/353174290226626562) Prior to tonight’s game, the Sox designated C Hector Gimenez for assignment & recalled C Josh Phegley & Blake Tekotte from @KnightsBaseball (https://twitter.com/KnightsBaseball).

TomBradley72
07-05-2013, 12:09 PM
Chicago White Sox ‏@whitesox (https://twitter.com/whitesox)31m (https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/353174290226626562) Prior to tonight’s game, the Sox designated C Hector Gimenez for assignment & recalled C Josh Phegley & Blake Tekotte from @KnightsBaseball (https://twitter.com/KnightsBaseball).

26 yo- career .157 hitter in parts of 3 MLB season and hitting .249 at AAA- our #1 minor league OF to be called up for mid season help- I can't believe I asssessed out minor league system as "barren"- what was I thinking?

DirtySox
07-05-2013, 12:21 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if the Sox acquire a catcher in one of their deadline deals. I just don't see Flowers catching for the Sox very much longer.

Maybe a catching prospect, but that's the reason Phegley has been called up. Unless they've already decided he isn't the answer either. I'd hope we use the rest of this year and next season to decide that though.

blandman
07-05-2013, 12:36 PM
It's time to see if Phegley is real or not. I don't think he is, but there's really no reason at this point he shouldn't be starting from the moment he arrives.

JB98
07-05-2013, 01:11 PM
26 yo- career .157 hitter in parts of 3 MLB season and hitting .249 at AAA- our #1 minor league OF to be called up for mid season help- I can't believe I asssessed out minor league system as "barren"- what was I thinking?

I don't think they look at Tekotte as "midseason help." They are sending Danks down to get more at-bats. They want him to chip the rust off before they put him in RF every day once they trade Rios.

LoveYourSuit
07-05-2013, 01:17 PM
I don't think they look at Tekotte as "midseason help." They are sending Danks down to get more at-bats. They want him to chip the rust off before they put him in RF every day once they trade Rios.

I think Danks should not be taking ABs away from anyone in the farm either.

TaylorStSox
07-05-2013, 01:20 PM
26 yo- career .157 hitter in parts of 3 MLB season and hitting .249 at AAA- our #1 minor league OF to be called up for mid season help- I can't believe I asssessed out minor league system as "barren"- what was I thinking?

This is a fantastic example of an uninformed, agenda driven post. Kudos.

JB98
07-05-2013, 01:21 PM
I think Danks should not be taking ABs away from anyone in the farm either.

There aren't any outfielders in AAA who matter. Danks is flipping spots with Tekotte, a non-prospect who was playing every day in Charlotte.

EMachine10
07-05-2013, 01:39 PM
There aren't any outfielders in AAA who matter. Danks is flipping spots with Tekotte, a non-prospect who was playing every day in Charlotte.
Exactly. He's not taking at bats away from Thompson, Hawkins, Mitchell, or Walker.

SI1020
07-05-2013, 01:41 PM
This is a fantastic example of an uninformed, agenda driven post. Kudos. I thought it was just hard reality.

TaylorStSox
07-05-2013, 01:53 PM
I thought it was just hard reality.

He's a stopgap to fill in the 4th OF spot. Maybe they should call up Thompson and have him rot on the bench. Seems productive.

Chez
07-05-2013, 03:26 PM
I don't think they look at Tekotte as "midseason help." They are sending Danks down to get more at-bats. They want him to chip the rust off before they put him in RF every day once they trade Rios.

Tekotte is up only until D. Wise is ready. Once Wise is back, then all the pieces are in place. :cool:

RCWHITESOX
07-05-2013, 04:08 PM
Tekotte is up only until D. Wise is ready. Once Wise is back, then all the pieces are in place. :cool:

Now that was funny! Sad but funny.

BainesHOF
07-05-2013, 04:39 PM
They DFA'd the wrong catcher.

Yep.

BainesHOF
07-05-2013, 04:41 PM
I don't think they look at Tekotte as "midseason help." They are sending Danks down to get more at-bats. They want him to chip the rust off before they put him in RF every day once they trade Rios.

I don't ever want to see Jordan Danks in a White Sox uniform again.

Mr. Jinx
07-05-2013, 04:54 PM
I don't ever want to see Jordan Danks in a White Sox uniform again.

I share that feeling, but I do not believe you will get that wish.

dickallen15
07-05-2013, 05:16 PM
DFAing Flowers serves no purpose. He has already shown he can be a good back up at the major league level. Gimenez is nothing and will probably clear waivers and wind up back in Charlotte.

What does Gimenez do better than Flowers? If you think a lot or anything significant, you may want to check the numbers.
Flowers sucks, but Gimenez sucks even more.

TheVulture
07-05-2013, 05:32 PM
They DFA'd the wrong catcher.

Exactly my thought the moment I saw this thread

TheVulture
07-05-2013, 05:33 PM
DFAing Flowers serves no purpose. He has already shown he can be a good back up at the major league level. Gimenez is nothing and will probably clear waivers and wind up back in Charlotte.

What does Gimenez do better than Flowers? If you think a lot or anything significant, you may want to check the numbers.
Flowers sucks, but Gimenez sucks even more.

Neither can hit worth a lick, but Gimenez is obviously superior behind the plate.

dickallen15
07-05-2013, 06:17 PM
Neither can hit worth a lick, but Gimenez is obviously superior behind the plate.

Gimenez has caught 179 innings. He has 5 passed balls and 2 errors. In 552 innings, Flowers has 7 passed balls and 4 errors. Each has thrown out aprroximately the same pct of basestealers. I know the back up QB (in this case the catcher) is many times more popular, but anyone thinking Gimenez is better than Flowers( I agree Flowers sucks) hasn't looked at it very hard.

KMcMahon817
07-05-2013, 06:34 PM
I don't ever want to see Jordan Danks in a White Sox uniform again.

I sort of feel that way as well. For a guy that was supposed to be very good defensively, he really sucked out there. Obviously his offense didn't #make an impact.

Mr. Jinx
07-05-2013, 06:50 PM
I sort of feel that way as well. For a guy that was supposed to be very good defensively, he really sucked out there. Obviously his offense didn't #make an impact.

Nor his baserunning. Brent Lillibridge 2.0.

DirtySox
07-05-2013, 07:58 PM
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Stanley
07-05-2013, 09:07 PM
38th overall pick in the '09 draft. He's also been dealing with an autoimmune disorder and some baseball related injuries that have kept him out for quite a while. To be honest, a 15 word 'scouting report' ain't worth a lick. He's been hitting really well this year, and you'd be smart to be excited about what he has to offer over Flowers/Gimenez.

Mr. Jinx
07-05-2013, 09:15 PM
38th overall pick in the '09 draft. He's also been dealing with an autoimmune disorder and some baseball related injuries that have kept him out for quite a while. To be honest, a 15 word 'scouting report' ain't worth a lick. He's been hitting really well this year, and you'd be smart to be excited about what he has to offer over Flowers/Gimenez.

It would be nice if he can actually catch a ball on a consistent basis, but then again opening night jitters is a somewhat mitigating circumstance.

DirtySox
07-05-2013, 09:20 PM
38th overall pick in the '09 draft. He's also been dealing with an autoimmune disorder and some baseball related injuries that have kept him out for quite a while. To be honest, a 15 word 'scouting report' ain't worth a lick. He's been hitting really well this year, and you'd be smart to be excited about what he has to offer over Flowers/Gimenez.

I'm well aware of the book on Phegley. I follow the minors more than the majors. The tweet is merely corroboration. Josh should provide better offense than Tyler, but similar or worse defense. He's an interesting prospect but nothing to get too excited about.

Mr. Jinx
07-05-2013, 10:09 PM
Why didn't we bring up Phegley in time for Mullet Night????

Tragg
07-05-2013, 11:49 PM
I don't think they look at Tekotte as "midseason help." They want him to chip the rust off before they put him in RF every day once they trade Rios.
Lord help us.

TomBradley72
07-06-2013, 12:50 AM
This is a fantastic example of an uninformed, agenda driven post. Kudos.

???

Our OFs this year have included Wise, Wells, Danks and now Tekotte- if you don't think that is evidence of a lack of talent in the organization- I don't know what to say- 3/4 are off the scrap heap- and Danks just plain sucks.

We also had no OF help last year from the farm system.

JB98
07-06-2013, 01:00 AM
I don't ever want to see Jordan Danks in a White Sox uniform again.

Lord help us.

Welcome to rebuilding. If Rios is going to be traded for prospects/salary relief, somebody has to play RF for the rest of the year. That somebody is going to be Jordan Danks.

Yes, I know that sucks. But this is the kind of **** that happens when you're 34-49.

TomBradley72
07-06-2013, 01:03 AM
Exactly. He's not taking at bats away from Thompson, Hawkins, Mitchell, or Walker.

Mitchell is no longer a prospect.

Walker is hitting .212 at AA.

Thompson is hitting .253 at AA, .186 over the past 10 games- still might be a prospect- he is showing some decent power- but 82 K's in 82 games is a pretty big red flag.

Hawkins is only a year out from being drafted- but hes hitting .191 with 88 K's in 52 games.

We don't have a single outfielder in our minor league system who projects to be on the major league roster in 2014- so from 2012, 2013, 2014- our farm system won't produce a single OF who could help- which is why we have crap like Danks, Wells, Wise and Tekotte.

thomas35forever
07-06-2013, 03:05 AM
I'm a little late to the party, but am also glad to see Phegley getting his chance at the big-league level. Hope he can bring as much to the table here as down in AAA. As for Flowers' regular starting days, I won't miss them.

Tragg
07-06-2013, 10:10 AM
DFAing Flowers serves no purpose. He has already shown he can be a good back up at the major league level. Gimenez is nothing and will probably clear waivers and wind up back in Charlotte.

What does Gimenez do better than Flowers? If you think a lot or anything significant, you may want to check the numbers.
Flowers sucks, but Gimenez sucks even more.

Agree

EMachine10
07-06-2013, 11:46 AM
Mitchell is no longer a prospect.

Walker is hitting .212 at AA.

Thompson is hitting .253 at AA, .186 over the past 10 games- still might be a prospect- he is showing some decent power- but 82 K's in 82 games is a pretty big red flag.

Hawkins is only a year out from being drafted- but hes hitting .191 with 88 K's in 52 games.

We don't have a single outfielder in our minor league system who projects to be on the major league roster in 2014- so from 2012, 2013, 2014- our farm system won't produce a single OF who could help- which is why we have crap like Danks, Wells, Wise and Tekotte.
I wasn't saying these guys were tearing the cover off the ball, but they are the guys who need to be getting at bats. Danks is not taking at bats away from them. Simple as that.

TaylorStSox
07-06-2013, 12:37 PM
???

Our OFs this year have included Wise, Wells, Danks and now Tekotte- if you don't think that is evidence of a lack of talent in the organization- I don't know what to say- 3/4 are off the scrap heap- and Danks just plain sucks.

We also had no OF help last year from the farm system.

You're making 2 different arguments. Tekotte wasn't brought up to "help." He's AAAA fodder that was brought up to ride the bench as a 4th OF. Even if we had prospects that were closer to being ready, they wouldn't have been brought up to fill that role. Your post was overly negative and irrelevant to the situation. It's your right to cry at every opportunity, but its tiresome.

Thompson was hitting .270 last week after a horrible start. His recovery and adjustment to the league show he's a legit prospect.

Hawkins is the youngest player in an advanced league. His K numbers are horrendous, but he's still near or at the top in HR's. everyone knew he was raw. It's way to early to make any definitive judgements about his long term projection.

None of the outfielders will be ready by 14. It doesn't really matter though. 14 is already a sunk year too. This is what rebuilding is all about. We won't know a whole lot about the future and timeline of the rebuild for another month. At this point, there's no reason to cry about it.

*edit*
No OF help last year? Viciedo had a fine season as a first year starter. 2/3rds of the OF were new players that spent time in the system.

white sox bill
07-06-2013, 12:59 PM
I expect the Sox to keep buying airline tix from Charolette and Birmingham for next few wks to get idea who can do what once Hahn puts the moving truck in reverse

SI1020
07-06-2013, 02:48 PM
10-25 since May 27 and they bring up Blake Tekotte. No way I'm getting optimistic or excited about that.