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Fastball23
07-02-2013, 09:24 AM
For this off season.

25M for the new TV deal

Players coming off the books
Konerko
Thornton
Floyd
Crain
Wise

Hopefully the Sox are able to trade Peavy, Dunn, Danks, Keppinger, Rios, and Alexei.

SephClone89
07-02-2013, 09:55 AM
Cool.

Mr. Jinx
07-02-2013, 09:57 AM
This would be great news to me if I were one of Jerry's kids.

Irishsox1
07-02-2013, 10:19 AM
That extra money is not going to go towards free agents. I bet the Sox are going to try and get the payroll under $80,000,000 which they haven't been since 2005.

It will also put them in-line with payrolls like Cleveland, Oakland, San Diego, Colorado & Tampa.

roylestillman
07-02-2013, 10:24 AM
For this off season.

25M for the new TV deal

Players coming off the books
Konerko
Thornton
Floyd
Crain
Wise

Hopefully the Sox are able to trade Peavy, Dunn, Danks, Keppinger, Rios, and Alexei.
I think Viciedo is done, too.

Cots shows contract obligations going down to $76 million in 2014. Now that doesn't account for arbitration settlements and just filing out the roster with minimum salary guys, but there is still a lot of running room here.

Don't think agents haven't figured in the new TV contracts themselves. Wait and see what the total salaries go up by in 2014 across the league and see how much of the TV revenue stays with the owners. More alarming for the Sox is what happens to other teams local TV revenues, while we wait for our deals come up for renegotiations ( with ourselves in the CSN case) years from now. That's where the real competitive disadvantage is really going to show.

WhiffleBall
07-02-2013, 11:33 AM
You don't have to be Miss Cleo to predict a huge turnover in season ticket renewals this year with many season ticket holders not renewing. That will definitely cause a reduction in payroll. $80 million is a good estimate for next years payroll.

TheVulture
07-02-2013, 02:55 PM
I think Viciedo is done, too.

Cots shows contract obligations going down to $76 million in 2014. Now that doesn't account for arbitration settlements and just filing out the roster with minimum salary guys, but there is still a lot of running room here.



By my count, the only players eligible for arb next year will be Beckham and DeAza, unless I missed something. They are both currently slightly above 2.5 million. I could see the Sox dumping DeAza and Beckham getting a bit of a bump. I could be wrong, but I don't see it having too much of an impact maybe a million or two if they keep DeAza.

doublem23
07-02-2013, 02:58 PM
By my count, the only players eligible for arb next year will be Beckham and DeAza, unless I missed something. They are both currently slightly above 2.5 million. I could see the Sox dumping DeAza and Beckham getting a bit of a bump. I could be wrong, but I don't see it having too much of an impact maybe a million or two if they keep DeAza.

Casper Wells is arb eligible next year, too, if the Sox have any plans to bring him back

DSpivack
07-02-2013, 03:03 PM
By my count, the only players eligible for arb next year will be Beckham and DeAza, unless I missed something. They are both currently slightly above 2.5 million. I could see the Sox dumping DeAza and Beckham getting a bit of a bump. I could be wrong, but I don't see it having too much of an impact maybe a million or two if they keep DeAza.

Casper Wells is arb eligible next year, too, if the Sox have any plans to bring him back

Troncoso, Flowers & Morel, too. Although I can't imagine any of them making much more than the minimum.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tK7uKP_MP8Unu0Mx46heFcg&output=html

Fastball23
07-02-2013, 03:06 PM
Troncoso, Flowers & Morel, too. Although I can't imagine any of them making much more than the minimum.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tK7uKP_MP8Unu0Mx46heFcg&output=html

I hope Wells, DeAza, Troncoso and Flowers aren't part of the Sox next season.

doublem23
07-02-2013, 03:09 PM
Troncoso, Flowers & Morel, too. Although I can't imagine any of them making much more than the minimum.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tK7uKP_MP8Unu0Mx46heFcg&output=html

Hm, interesting, B-R shows Flowers and Morel being Arb-1 eligible in 2015.

tstrike2000
07-02-2013, 03:09 PM
Great, we're becoming the next Pittsburgh Pirates, pre 2012.

thomas35forever
07-02-2013, 03:27 PM
I don't know what that means as far as the future for this team, especially considering the direction, or lack thereof, it's in, but I guess that's cool. If it allows to invest in making us better now or in the future, I'm all for it.

blandman
07-02-2013, 03:53 PM
I'm not sure this is the right way to look at it (especially the additional revenue piece, there's no guarantee it wouldn't already be earmarked for something). Ticket revenue has got to be beyond low this year and season ticket sales after a season like we're having are going to be incredibly low next year (at least compared to recent history). Yeah, money is coming off the books. But so is revenue.

soxfanreggie
07-02-2013, 04:07 PM
For this off season.

25M for the new TV deal

Players coming off the books
Konerko
Thornton
Floyd
Crain
Wise

Hopefully the Sox are able to trade Peavy, Dunn, Danks, Keppinger, Rios, and Alexei.

Thornton had a club option; think they'll exercise it for a potential trade? He may not be worth $6 mil to anyone, but then again, someone paid Marmol $10 mil.

TheVulture
07-02-2013, 04:26 PM
Hm, interesting, B-R shows Flowers and Morel being Arb-1 eligible in 2015.

That was my source.

I didn't even consider Toronsco. I seriously doubt the Sox would let him or Morel go to arbitration and get a guaranteed major league salary, at least I hope not.

I don't see how Morel could be eligible next year, he hasn't been on the roster for three full seasons. Same with Flowers. He's had two Sept call ups and after this year two full seasons.

johnny bench
07-02-2013, 04:42 PM
Who was the last impactful position player the White Sox signed as a major league free agent from another team? Dye in 2004?

PalehosePlanet
07-02-2013, 05:00 PM
Who was the last impactful position player the White Sox signed as a major league free agent from another team? Dye in 2004?

Jeff Keppinger in 2013.

I keed, I keed......yeah, it's Tadahito, AJ and JD the winter of 04/05; all on the cheap, too.

MISoxfan
07-02-2013, 05:14 PM
Thornton had a club option; think they'll exercise it for a potential trade? He may not be worth $6 mil to anyone, but then again, someone paid Marmol $10 mil.

I think someone may bite. I think he has more value than most people here believe. He's certainly declining, but he's quietly having a decent year. He's certainly declining, and he's not going to be pitching 65 innings and striking out 80 anymore, but he's a lefty with a low to mid 3 era (and he's actually doing quite well with inherited runs this season as well). He'll find a suitor.

voodoochile
07-02-2013, 05:19 PM
That extra money is not going to go towards free agents. I bet the Sox are going to try and get the payroll under $80,000,000 which they haven't been since 2005.

It will also put them in-line with payrolls like Cleveland, Oakland, San Diego, Colorado & Tampa.

Just curious why you think that? Sox haven't been that low since 2005.

Aesero
07-02-2013, 06:23 PM
Does anyone see the team trying to re-sign Konerko for 2 years so that there is a likable player on the team? This is of course up to him wanting to keep playing. These next couple years are probably going to be rough and having a fan favorite stick around could have some influence on turnout. I know I would be more interested watching games if I could continue to watch him play.

It is the only thing I could think of as to why Hahn said he was untouchable unless Konerko had stated to him previously that he would decline any and all trades.

DSpivack
07-02-2013, 06:47 PM
Does anyone see the team trying to re-sign Konerko for 2 years so that there is a likable player on the team? This is of course up to him wanting to keep playing. These next couple years are probably going to be rough and having a fan favorite stick around could have some influence on turnout. I know I would be more interested watching games if I could continue to watch him play.

It is the only thing I could think of as to why Hahn said he was untouchable unless Konerko had stated to him previously that he would decline any and all trades.

I think the last point is the correct one. Konerko is injured, at the end of his career, and has a NTC. My guess is he doesn't want to be uprooted to chase a ring when he already has one.

As for the next couple years, it's not fun if the fan favorite is completely done. When the Sox traded for Harold Baines in 2000 it may have been a sentimental move, but he couldn't play anymore so that mattered little. Now, Paulie may have something left in the tank, he's not 41 like Baines was in 2000. But I'd surprised if he returned to the Sox in 2014, and sentiment should play no part in that decision.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-02-2013, 07:23 PM
Does anyone see the team trying to re-sign Konerko for 2 years so that there is a likable player on the team? This is of course up to him wanting to keep playing. These next couple years are probably going to be rough and having a fan favorite stick around could have some influence on turnout. I know I would be more interested watching games if I could continue to watch him play.

It is the only thing I could think of as to why Hahn said he was untouchable unless Konerko had stated to him previously that he would decline any and all trades.

The Sox will go the cheap route and name Konerko the manager to keep him around.

Aesero
07-02-2013, 08:07 PM
The Sox will go the cheap route and name Konerko the manager to keep him around.

Player manager! :bandance:

SI1020
07-02-2013, 08:08 PM
Great, we're becoming the next Pittsburgh Pirates, pre 2012. That is exactly what I'm concerned about.

ZombieRob
07-02-2013, 08:29 PM
Just curious why you think that? Sox haven't been that low since 2005.
I'd say probably because the formula hasn't worked since 2005.

ZombieRob
07-02-2013, 08:31 PM
The Sox will go the cheap route and name Konerko the manager to keep him around.
I wouldn't be shocked at all by that move.

voodoochile
07-02-2013, 08:40 PM
I'd say probably because the formula hasn't worked since 2005.

And that justifies cutting payroll to those levels how?

amsteel
07-02-2013, 09:17 PM
Does anyone see the team trying to re-sign Konerko for 2 years so that there is a likable player on the team?

Sale's the new face of the franchise, I doubt the Sox will overpay just to keep PK around considering what other teams will throw at him. Give it 2 years and the Sox will bring back Konerko as special assistant to Southpaw or something.

TheVulture
07-02-2013, 09:32 PM
That is exactly what I'm concerned about.

Not going to happen. It may take a couple years to right the ship, but that kind of run takes a special combination of cheapness and ineptitude.

blandman
07-03-2013, 02:14 AM
And that justifies cutting payroll to those levels how?

Is payroll an indication of the success of an organization at all levels?

Every team goes through bad seasons. If lowering the MLB payroll significantly puts us in position to pay better scouts/sign big name international talent, I'm certainly not going to complain. It puts us in a better position to compete in years we're more likely to do so.

voodoochile
07-03-2013, 09:49 AM
Is payroll an indication of the success of an organization at all levels?

Every team goes through bad seasons. If lowering the MLB payroll significantly puts us in position to pay better scouts/sign big name international talent, I'm certainly not going to complain. It puts us in a better position to compete in years we're more likely to do so.

The Sox are never going to invest in the minor leagues at that level. Time to move on...