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Frater Perdurabo
06-19-2013, 09:19 AM
Unless things improve rapidly and significantly, the Sox are destined for a fire sale.

What prospects, in other organizations that might have a need for one or more of our veterans, are realistic targets for Hahn to acquire, in areas of need?

Thought this would make for an interesting diversion.

blandman
06-19-2013, 09:31 AM
The Orioles need starting pitching badly. If Peavy comes back before the deadline (doubtful but possible), we might be able to get an injured Dylan Bundy, or if we're lucky a Kevin Gausman (Peavy would need to be back early and pitching lights out).

Unless we're willing to trade a young stud (like Sale or Reed), there really isn't an obvious match to a team with prospects worth mentioning. At least not yet. Our only other chip (Rios) is more expensive than guys who are likely to be out there at the deadline, which hurts our chances of dealing him for anything but pennies on the dollar.

cards press box
06-19-2013, 10:07 AM
How about the prospects that the Mets obtained in the R.A. Dickey trade: catcher Travis d'Arnaud and pitcher Noah Syndergaard? The Mets are said to be interested in Rios. I wonder if either would be available in a deal?

Golden Sox
06-19-2013, 10:14 AM
If Dunn, Konerko and the Tank would of produced this year, we would not be in last place. We have one of the worse offenses because our middle of the order hasn't hit. I would like to think that Dunn, Konerko and the Tank won't be on the 2014 White Sox. If you can replace those 3 guys without destroying the pitching staff we have, we can contend in 2014. I can't believe the White Sox/Hahn are going to a 5 year rebuilding plan like some other teams are claiming to do. Bill Veeck once said in one of his books: "The future is now, 5 year plans usually lead to new 5 year plans". I would suspect the White Sox will try to replace their middle of the order through free agent signings and a trade or two.

blandman
06-19-2013, 10:21 AM
How about the prospects that the Mets obtained in the R.A. Dickey trade: catcher Travis d'Arnaud and pitcher Noah Syndergaard? The Mets are said to be interested in Rios. I wonder if either would be available in a deal?

The Mets are 27-40, 12.5 games out of first. They're not trading their marquee prospects for an aging outfielder due a lot of money when they're not going to contend in the timeframe they'd have him.

blandman
06-19-2013, 10:25 AM
If Dunn, Konerko and the Tank would of produced this year, we would not be in last place. We have one of the worse offenses because our middle of the order hasn't hit. I would like to think that Dunn, Konerko and the Tank won't be on the 2014 White Sox. If you can replace those 3 guys without destroying the pitching staff we have, we can contend in 2014. I can't believe the White Sox/Hahn are going to a 5 year rebuilding plan like some other teams are claiming to do. Bill Veeck once said in one of his books: "The future is now, 5 year plans usually lead to new 5 year plans". I would suspect the White Sox will try to replace their middle of the order through free agent signings and a trade or two.

You can't replace your 3, 4, and 5 guys simply because you have to/don't want to rebuild. Replacing those spots with quality takes time. What, are we going to hand out three $15 - 20 million per year contracts in free agency? Are there even three guys in free agency next offseason to fit the bill?

We aren't trading for a core guy that's producing now. We don't have the marquee prospects to do that.

We've gotta develop these guys. It's going to take a while.

edit: I mentioned those spots in the lineup because Rios is leaving in a year (plus he'll probably regress more next year).

kittle42
06-19-2013, 10:43 AM
The Mets are 27-40, 12.5 games out of first. They're not trading their marquee prospects for an aging outfielder due a lot of money when they're not going to contend in the timeframe they'd have him.

I believe this to be dead on.

Golden Sox
06-19-2013, 10:43 AM
blandman: Sign free agent Kendrys Morales after this season and trade for one of the 3 outfielders LA is trying to trade: Crawford, Kemp or Ethier and plug them into our lineup next year and I'll take my chances. The money for Konerko, Floyd and Thornton will be off the books for 2014. (Assuming Thornton won't be here in 2014) The White Sox will have the money to sign/trade for the players I mentioned. Also, its time to bring up Josh Phegley and see if he fits into our future.

blandman
06-19-2013, 11:26 AM
blandman: Sign free agent Kendrys Morales after this season and trade for one of the 3 outfielders LA is trying to trade: Crawford, Kemp or Ethier and plug them into our lineup next year and I'll take my chances. The money for Konerko, Floyd and Thornton will be off the books for 2014. (Assuming Thornton won't be here in 2014) The White Sox will have the money to sign/trade for the players I mentioned. Also, its time to bring up Josh Phegley and see if he fits into our future.

Kendrys Morales is intriguing, but ultimately he's over 30 now and has both regressed and been susceptible to injuries. He's probably going to get a lot more money and years than he's worth.

Crawford and Ethier are no longer players you build around. Kemp might still be, but he would cost 2 more marquee prospects than we have. And he's probably not worth it.

Josh Phegley is garbage. There's a reason we haven't called him up. He's got value to a team just looking at numbers. His swing isn't good enough; it doesn't project to show power at the major league level. Calling him up would bring that to light.

EDIT: Taking a closer look at Morales' numbers, STAY FAR AWAY. Since his "breakout" in 2009 with a .569 slugging percentage, he's regressed every year (including the next season before he was injured). This year it's at .436. Looking at where it was before that break out year...it seems more likely to be an aberration. He was never really any good, he just had a singular good season.

Foulke You
06-19-2013, 01:00 PM
EDIT: Taking a closer look at Morales' numbers, STAY FAR AWAY. Since his "breakout" in 2009 with a .569 slugging percentage, he's regressed every year (including the next season before he was injured). This year it's at .436. Looking at where it was before that break out year...it seems more likely to be an aberration. He was never really any good, he just had a singular good season.
.277 8HRs 37 RBI and 18 doubles so far this season is not shabby production by any means. He also put together a pretty decent 2012 and if his 2013 holds the course, it will be improved on what he did last year. It isn't gaudy numbers but certainly better than anything we are getting in our lineup right now. I also like the fact that he is a switch hitter which is another thing to factor into his value as a player. He also is a career .292 hitter with RISP and lord knows the Sox could use hitters like that. If he could be had at a reasonable contract, I would definitely be interested in Morales as a stopgap 1B or DH.

rdivaldi
06-19-2013, 01:01 PM
Josh Phegley is garbage. There's a reason we haven't called him up. He's got value to a team just looking at numbers. His swing isn't good enough; it doesn't project to show power at the major league level. Calling him up would bring that to light.

Ridiculous. Calling a player, "garbage" without having seen him play nor giving him a chance at the major league level is just that, "garbage".

russ99
06-19-2013, 01:12 PM
.277 8HRs 37 RBI and 18 doubles so far this season is not shabby production by any means. He also put together a pretty decent 2012 and if his 2013 holds the course, it will be improved on what he did last year. It isn't gaudy numbers but certainly better than anything we are getting in our lineup right now. I also like the fact that he is a switch hitter which is another thing to factor into his value as a player. He also is a career .292 hitter with RISP and lord knows the Sox could use hitters like that. If he could be had at a reasonable contract, I would definitely be interested in Morales as a stopgap 1B or DH.

Also, who cares if his swing doesn't project to show power. We don't need any more power hitters, we need guys who can hit, period. I doubt the Sox would turn away a .280 hitting slap hitter at this point.

Maybe be too soon for Phegley. Even considering him is yet another tell that Hahn badly neglected the catcher position this offseason.

Looks like Miguel Olivo could be available, as he walked out on the Marlins this week. Dude's not a average hitter at this point, but anything would be an improvement on Flowers.

The Immigrant
06-19-2013, 01:40 PM
Looks like Miguel Olivo could be available, as he walked out on the Marlins this week. Dude's not a average hitter at this point, but anything would be an improvement on Flowers.

No, it wouldn't.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/stats/playercompare?sort=6&cat=Batting&pids%5B8572%5D=1&pids%5B7028%5D=1

TheVulture
06-19-2013, 01:58 PM
You can't replace your 3, 4, and 5 guys simply because you have to/don't want to rebuild.

edit: I mentioned those spots in the lineup because Rios is leaving in a year (plus he'll probably regress more next year).

No offense, but that makes no sense. How can you say players who seemingly can't produce can't be replaced? Rios is the only decent hitter in the lineup, but you are predicting that Viciedo, Dunn and whoever will replace Konerko will hit well enough to bump Rios out of the middle of the order?! You are the most optimistic pessismist I've ever seen.

I recall people saying in 2004, how can the Sox offense replace the production of Ordonez and Lee? Except in that case those were two guys who were damn fine hitters...and they were still wrong.

TheVulture
06-19-2013, 02:14 PM
EDIT: Taking a closer look at Morales' numbers, STAY FAR AWAY. Since his "breakout" in 2009 with a .569 slugging percentage, he's regressed every year (including the next season before he was injured). This year it's at .436. Looking at where it was before that break out year...it seems more likely to be an aberration. He was never really any good, he just had a singular good season.

That would still make him far and away the second best hitter on this team.

TheVulture
06-19-2013, 02:22 PM
No, it wouldn't.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/stats/playercompare?sort=6&cat=Batting&pids%5B8572%5D=1&pids%5B7028%5D=1

At least Olivo is solid behind the plate. He would still be an improvement over Flowers even if he failed to out-hit him.

blandman
06-19-2013, 02:31 PM
.277 8HRs 37 RBI and 18 doubles so far this season is not shabby production by any means. He also put together a pretty decent 2012 and if his 2013 holds the course, it will be improved on what he did last year. It isn't gaudy numbers but certainly better than anything we are getting in our lineup right now. I also like the fact that he is a switch hitter which is another thing to factor into his value as a player. He also is a career .292 hitter with RISP and lord knows the Sox could use hitters like that. If he could be had at a reasonable contract, I would definitely be interested in Morales as a stopgap 1B or DH.

It's his worse season in a string of three straight years of regression. Stopgap is fine, but he probably isn't signing a one year deal.

Ridiculous. Calling a player, "garbage" without having seen him play nor giving him a chance at the major league level is just that, "garbage".

He hasn't made adjustments to his swing. I'm not the end all be all by any means, but the book on Phlegy's swing has always been that his bat speed was suspect, and getting enough speed caused his swing to be overly level (and therefore he would never get enough lift to show power at the major league level). Nothing in his approach has changed this year. Yeah, he's gotten different results this year, but what he's doing isn't sustainable, especially against superior pitching.

Garbage is being too harsh. But if Phegly becomes a serviceable backup catcher for five years, that should be considered a success.

No offense, but that makes no sense. How can you say players who seemingly can't produce can't be replaced? Rios is the only decent hitter in the lineup, but you are predicting that Viciedo, Dunn and whoever will replace Konerko will hit well enough to bump Rios out of the middle of the order?! You are the most optimistic pessismist I've ever seen.

I recall people saying in 2004, how can the Sox offense replace the production of Ordonez and Lee? Except in that case those were two guys who were damn fine hitters...and they were still wrong.


I think I phrased it wrong. When I say replace the 3, 4, and 5 spots I mean with people that should be in those spots.

That would still make him far and away the second best hitter on this team.

I'm not sure you wouldn't be the second best hitter on this team.

TheVulture
06-19-2013, 02:35 PM
I think I phrased it wrong. When I say replace the 3, 4, and 5 spots I mean with people that should be in those spots.



You must have. You responded to the suggestion that Dunn, Konerko and Viciedo should be replaced by claiming you can't replace your 3,4 and 5 guys in one offseason.

blandman
06-19-2013, 02:36 PM
You must have. You responded to the suggestion that Dunn, Konerko and Viciedo should be replaced by claiming you can't replace your 3,4 and 5 guys in one offseason.

Gotcha. I mean, we can't get good 3, 4, and 5 guys in one off-season. I was trying to make the point that improving is something that will take many many years.

TheVulture
06-19-2013, 02:36 PM
I'm not sure you wouldn't be the second best hitter on this team.

I definitely would be. I don't like money, fun or travel, so I just comment on WSI instead. :redneck

TheVulture
06-19-2013, 02:38 PM
Gotcha. I mean, we can't get good 3, 4, and 5 guys in one off-season. I was trying to make the point that improving is something that will take many many years.

At this point, we don't need good. We need better than crap. You're probably right that it will take some time to turn this team around, though. Still, if we signed someone like Choo, added a complementary bat such as Morales and managed to trade our way to another decent hitter I'd feel much better about watching some Sox baseball next year.

Frater Perdurabo
06-19-2013, 03:19 PM
I'm not deluded into thinking any Sox player short of Sale would get us a top-flight future All-Star in return.

If we want a top flight 3-4-5 hitter, regardless of position, we are going to have to draft or sign him as an amateur, and develop him.

I'm more interested in solid position player prospects who can field their position well, play rock-solid fundamentals with the glove and the bat, and hit at a league-average level for their position. Guys who can be the next Ivan Calderon, Darrin Jackson, Lance Johnson, or Ron Karkovice.

I'd love to get a cornerstone, but that's not realistic with what we have to offer. I'll be happy to get a couple building blocks, let them develop and improve together, establish an identity as a "pitching, defense and fundamentals team," and then draft our next Frank Thomas or sign our next Magglio Ordonez.

cws05champ
06-19-2013, 04:13 PM
Here's my list:

Konerko to the Orioles for Jonathon Schoop

Alexei Ramirez and Jesse Crain to St. Louis for Matt Adams and Carlos Martinez

Matt Thornton & Charlie Leesman to Atlanta for Sean Gilmartin

Alex Rios to Texas for Mike Olt & Cody Buckell
or
Alex Rios to NY Yankees for Gary Sanchez, Tyler Austin

If any or all of this happened I would be thrilled.....

Bucky F. Dent
06-19-2013, 04:28 PM
The Orioles need starting pitching badly. If Peavy comes back before the deadline (doubtful but possible), we might be able to get an injured Dylan Bundy, or if we're lucky a Kevin Gausman (Peavy would need to be back early and pitching lights out).

Unless we're willing to trade a young stud (like Sale or Reed), there really isn't an obvious match to a team with prospects worth mentioning. At least not yet. Our only other chip (Rios) is more expensive than guys who are likely to be out there at the deadline, which hurts our chances of dealing him for anything but pennies on the dollar.

Crain and perhaps Thornton (because he's a lefty) might generate a small amount of interest.

cards press box
06-19-2013, 04:43 PM
The Mets are 27-40, 12.5 games out of first. They're not trading their marquee prospects for an aging outfielder due a lot of money when they're not going to contend in the timeframe they'd have him.

I believe this to be dead on.

I see your point. Nonetheless, Bill Madden of the New York Daily News wrote this column (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/madden-rios-add-sock-mets-lineup-article-1.1339012) a few weeks ago arguing that the Mets should take a run at acquiring Rios with an eye toward contending in 2014 and 2015.

Noneck
06-19-2013, 05:07 PM
Here's my list:

Konerko to the Orioles for Jonathon Schoop

Alexei Ramirez and Jesse Crain to St. Louis for Matt Adams and Carlos Martinez

Matt Thornton & Charlie Leesman to Atlanta for Sean Gilmartin

Alex Rios to Texas for Mike Olt & Cody Buckell
or
Alex Rios to NY Yankees for Gary Sanchez, Tyler Austin

If any or all of this happened I would be thrilled.....


Konerko doesnt have any worth and Ramirez has negative worth.

kittle42
06-19-2013, 05:12 PM
Crawford and Ethier are no longer players you build around. Kemp might still be, but he would cost 2 more marquee prospects than we have. And he's probably not worth it.

Ethier is junk.

blandman
06-19-2013, 05:50 PM
Crain and perhaps Thornton (because he's a lefty) might generate a small amount of interest.

Small is the key word here. With their age and contract situations (basically two month rentals), we'd be LUCKY to get a B level prospect. More likely, we'd just dump their salary for a guy we'll release at the end of the year.

cards press box
06-20-2013, 04:29 AM
Small is the key word here. With their age and contract situations (basically two month rentals), we'd be LUCKY to get a B level prospect. More likely, we'd just dump their salary for a guy we'll release at the end of the year.

I disagree. Some posters have suggested that the Red Sox and Tigers would have interest in Crain. A number of National League teams, such as the Cardinals and Reds, will too. Crain might be the best short reliever on the market, particularly for a team like St. Louis that doesn't want to replace their closer but wants instead to bolster the back end of the bullpen.

Thornton has some value for certain teams, as well. Take Atlanta, for example. The Braves have lost their two lefties in the bullpen, Venters and O'Flaherty, to serious injuries. They need a lefty reliever badly. Thornton may not be what he was a couple of years ago but he would help them.

If Rick Hahn does this right, the Sox should be able to bring a lot of young talent back within the next two months.

blandman
06-20-2013, 10:30 AM
I disagree. Some posters have suggested that the Red Sox and Tigers would have interest in Crain. A number of National League teams, such as the Cardinals and Reds, will too. Crain might be the best short reliever on the market, particularly for a team like St. Louis that doesn't want to replace their closer but wants instead to bolster the back end of the bullpen.

Thornton has some value for certain teams, as well. Take Atlanta, for example. The Braves have lost their two lefties in the bullpen, Venters and O'Flaherty, to serious injuries. They need a lefty reliever badly. Thornton may not be what he was a couple of years ago but he would help them.

If Rick Hahn does this right, the Sox should be able to bring a lot of young talent back within the next two months.

Teams are not going to pay a high price for Crain, especially when there's guys like Jose Veras available who have a very cheap option year next year and have already shown they can close. Veras won't get a high price. Crain certainly isn't. The days of rental relievers fetching value have been over for a half decade. The only reliever on our roster with high value is Reed.

blandman
06-20-2013, 10:30 AM
Ethier is junk.

I think they're all junk :cool:

blandman
06-20-2013, 10:34 AM
Here's my list:

Konerko to the Orioles for Jonathon Schoop

Alexei Ramirez and Jesse Crain to St. Louis for Matt Adams and Carlos Martinez

Matt Thornton & Charlie Leesman to Atlanta for Sean Gilmartin

Alex Rios to Texas for Mike Olt & Cody Buckell
or
Alex Rios to NY Yankees for Gary Sanchez, Tyler Austin

If any or all of this happened I would be thrilled.....

If any of this happened the commissioner would block it because it's obvious Rick Hahn held someone at gunpoint.

doublem23
06-20-2013, 10:44 AM
Teams are not going to pay a high price for Crain, especially when there's guys like Jose Veras available who have a very cheap option year next year and have already shown they can close. Veras won't get a high price. Crain certainly isn't. The days of rental relievers fetching value have been over for a half decade. The only reliever on our roster with high value is Reed.

Well that statement's certainly not true at all

blandman
06-20-2013, 11:08 AM
Well that statement's certainly not true at all

Example?

edit: I take it back. How about good value, that's really what we're talking about here. When was the last time a reliever in a walk year got traded for an A list prospect?

doublem23
06-20-2013, 11:51 AM
Example?

edit: I take it back. How about good value, that's really what we're talking about here. When was the last time a reliever in a walk year got traded for an A list prospect?

Well now you're just moving the goalposts aroud on me, but I'd personally be happy with a B-level prospect for a guy we're going to lose this off-season anyway. I know the Sox need some top level talent, but they also need a lot of organizational depth as well. Really anything at this point helps.

blandman
06-20-2013, 12:02 PM
Well now you're just moving the goalposts aroud on me, but I'd personally be happy with a B-level prospect for a guy we're going to lose this off-season anyway. I know the Sox need some top level talent, but they also need a lot of organizational depth as well. Really anything at this point helps.

That's fair, I honestly didn't mean to claim he was worthless, but everyone seems to be talking about marquee prospects here so I was making the statement based on that. What we'd be looking at for Crain would be a project, or a guy with some tools but not enough to be considered a good candidate for advancement.

Foulke You
06-20-2013, 12:47 PM
That's fair, I honestly didn't mean to claim he was worthless, but everyone seems to be talking about marquee prospects here so I was making the statement based on that. What we'd be looking at for Crain would be a project, or a guy with some tools but not enough to be considered a good candidate for advancement.
I don't think anyone is expecting a Mike Trout or Bryce Harper level prospect for three months of Crain or Thornton. However, there will definitely be a lot of teams calling and if a GM is "going for it" and feels that Crain is the 8th inning guy (or closer) that they need to win it all, they may have to part with a halfway decent prospect to beat out the other teams for him. Hahn has all the leverage here and can take the best offer that comes his way from what is sure to be a host of contending clubs.

DeadMoney
06-20-2013, 03:01 PM
That's fair, I honestly didn't mean to claim he was worthless, but everyone seems to be talking about marquee prospects here so I was making the statement based on that. What we'd be looking at for Crain would be a project, or a guy with some tools but not enough to be considered a good candidate for advancement.

I'd be happy with getting a body back in return if it meant not having to watch majority of our players struggle to play baseball at a respectable level.

I don't think anyone is expecting a Mike Trout or Bryce Harper level prospect for three months of Crain or Thornton. However, there will definitely be a lot of teams calling and if a GM is "going for it" and feels that Crain is the 8th inning guy (or closer) that they need to win it all, they may have to part with a halfway decent prospect to beat out the other teams for him. Hahn has all the leverage here and can take the best offer that comes his way from what is sure to be a host of contending clubs.

Hahn has leverage now, but that can quickly change (whether it be by a team's performance or by a team going out and picking up a need from elsewhere).

SoxSpeed22
06-20-2013, 04:24 PM
I don't expect a top prospect, but I would be annoyed if they didn't get one steady starter out of these guys they could sell.

RCWHITESOX
06-20-2013, 04:39 PM
If any of this happened the commissioner would block it because it's obvious Rick Hahn held someone at gunpoint.

And who is to say any of those prospects are going to great let alone average or a complete bust. For every Mike Trout their are plenty of herald prospects who end up going bust. Prospect is just like the word says. The Yankees for years sent there prospects to Kansas City for proven players and Kansas City kept finishing at the bottom of the standings. I understand that your farm players are very important; but to say if the Sox were able to get the aforementioned players would be a steal is premature at best. It might look good on paper but it only counts on the field. Winning requires skill; but also a lot of luck. I'm pretty sure no one looking at the Sox's 2005 roster thought they were headed for the World Series. The Sox need to upgrade their defense CF, 1B, SS, and Catcher. Hopefully they hold on to most of the pitching and are able to acquire players in trades and the off season to be able to compete.

balke
06-20-2013, 07:13 PM
I just listened to the Score talk about how if this team gets gutted noone will come to the ballpark. I don't believe that. I don't think attendance would go up, but I think people would still come out for a team that isn't paying a ton of money to lose as much as they are.

I'm not sure who the Sox should target. Hitting definitely needs to be improved. It seems like the toughest place to get a hitter in free agency these days is 3B. It'd be nice to see them upgrade that position young and build around it.

I personally could live without Peavy, Thornton, Floyd, Crain, Konerko, Rios, Dunn. That's the majority of money there. There's not much I'd say is necessary to keep. Sale, Quintana, and Ramirez if you can. Save some money and get that power position player after some younger talent is developed. Build a defensive team with good pitching and move on. Bring in the big money players when the supporting cast is assembled.

DSpivack
06-20-2013, 08:07 PM
I just listened to the Score talk about how if this team gets gutted noone will come to the ballpark. I don't believe that. I don't think attendance would go up, but I think people would still come out for a team that isn't paying a ton of money to lose as much as they are.

I'm not sure who the Sox should target. Hitting definitely needs to be improved. It seems like the toughest place to get a hitter in free agency these days is 3B. It'd be nice to see them upgrade that position young and build around it.

I personally could live without Peavy, Thornton, Floyd, Crain, Konerko, Rios, Dunn. That's the majority of money there. There's not much I'd say is necessary to keep. Sale, Quintana, and Ramirez if you can. Save some money and get that power position player after some younger talent is developed. Build a defensive team with good pitching and move on. Bring in the big money players when the supporting cast is assembled.

Despite his current struggles at the plate and his occasional defensive gaffes, I think Ramirez still could have some value in a trade. He's owed about $20 million in the next two seasons, and I think the Sox could be better off dealing him.

If there are any pluses for the Sox in the long-term, it's that we don't have (m)any bad long-term deals. Just $75 million on the books in 2014 and $36 million in 2015. The Sox may not have a lot of young talent, but they do have quite a bit of flexibility for the future.

EMachine10
06-21-2013, 11:07 AM
The Orioles need starting pitching badly. If Peavy comes back before the deadline (doubtful but possible), we might be able to get an injured Dylan Bundy, or if we're lucky a Kevin Gausman (Peavy would need to be back early and pitching lights out).

Unless we're willing to trade a young stud (like Sale or Reed), there really isn't an obvious match to a team with prospects worth mentioning. At least not yet. Our only other chip (Rios) is more expensive than guys who are likely to be out there at the deadline, which hurts our chances of dealing him for anything but pennies on the dollar.
The Orioles aren't moving Bundy, injured or not. And certainly not for Peavy. I love Peavy, but you fire management if you move Bundy for Peavy right now.

Golden Sox
06-21-2013, 12:42 PM
The LA media seems to think the Angels are going to trade either Mark Trumbo or Peter Bourjos for some pitching. Either of these guys would look good in a White Sox uniform. The LA media claims the Angels have absolutely nothing in their farm system to help their pitching staff. They seem to think the Angels have a glut of outfielders and are going to move at least one of them.

Foulke You
06-21-2013, 04:01 PM
The LA media seems to think the Angels are going to trade either Mark Trumbo or Peter Bourjos for some pitching. Either of these guys would look good in a White Sox uniform. The LA media claims the Angels have absolutely nothing in their farm system to help their pitching staff. They seem to think the Angels have a glut of outfielders and are going to move at least one of them.
Trumbo would look great in a White Sox uniform but they aren't just going to give a guy like that away. It could take a package of players to make that happen. Still, he would definitely be a nice middle of the order run producer in his prime. I love the glove and speed of Bourjos but he is unproven as an everyday player and I would consider him more of a project.

cards press box
06-23-2013, 01:17 PM
The LA media seems to think the Angels are going to trade either Mark Trumbo or Peter Bourjos for some pitching. Either of these guys would look good in a White Sox uniform. The LA media claims the Angels have absolutely nothing in their farm system to help their pitching staff. They seem to think the Angels have a glut of outfielders and are going to move at least one of them.

Trumbo would look great in a White Sox uniform but they aren't just going to give a guy like that away. It could take a package of players to make that happen. Still, he would definitely be a nice middle of the order run producer in his prime. I love the glove and speed of Bourjos but he is unproven as an everyday player and I would consider him more of a project.


How about this for a blockbuster:

Jake Peavy
Alexei Ramirez
Adam Dunn

in exchange for

Mark Trumbo
Peter Bourjos
Erick Aybar

I know that this probably wouldn't happen but, as the Beach Boys used to say, wouldn't it be nice?

DSpivack
06-23-2013, 01:38 PM
How about this for a blockbuster:

Jake Peavy
Alexei Ramirez
Adam Dunn

in exchange for

Mark Trumbo
Peter Bourjos
Erick Aybar

I know that this probably wouldn't happen but, as the Beach Boys used to say, wouldn't it be nice?

Nobody wants Dunn, and I think the Sox can get more for Peavy alone than that (as long as he comes back healthy and pitches well, perhaps an offseason deal makes more sense). I'm not a big fan of Aybar and Bourjos is a big question mark.

Tragg
06-23-2013, 02:53 PM
blandman: Sign free agent Kendrys Morales after this season and trade for one of the 3 outfielders LA is trying to trade: Crawford, Kemp or Ethier and plug them into our lineup next year and I'll take my chances. .

All have low power; 2 of the 3 also have low OBPs. And at least 2 are past their prime. Pass. You can get that production at low prices on the FA market.

MISoxfan
06-23-2013, 03:31 PM
I don't see how anyone can say the team would be fine if we can replace Konerko, Viciedo, and Dunn with 3 people who can hit.

June:
Konerko .279/.347/.412
Dunn .264/.379/.583

Sure Viciedo's been terrible, but Dunn has knocked the cover off the ball this month and Konerko has been quietly productive. That Konerko production is as good as you can expect to get from Morales.

Meanwhile, the Sox are 7-13 over that time period. Our problems are bigger than Dunn/Konerko/Viciedo.