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ZombieRob
06-10-2013, 10:36 PM
Remember the days they used to get washed up vets back in the day? George Foster, Steve Carlton eurghh Name some others.

Brian26
06-10-2013, 10:48 PM
Ken Griffey Jr
Jerry Reuss
Omar Vizquel
Sparky Lyle
John Kruk
Dave Steib
Chris Sabo
Rob Dibble
Oscar Gamble (85)
Roberto Alomar (twice)
Harold Baines (2000)
Charlie Hough
Manny Ramirez
Pat Borders
Ken Hill
Jose Pantiagua
Mike Meyers
Jeff Nelson
Danny Tartabull

getonbckthr
06-10-2013, 10:53 PM
Royce Clayton

ZombieRob
06-10-2013, 10:56 PM
Ken Griffey Jr
Jerry Reuss
Omar Vizquel
Sparky Lyle
John Kruk
Dave Steib
Chris Sabo
Rob Dibble
Oscar Gamble (85)
Roberto Alomar (twice)
Harold Baines (2000)
Charlie Hough
Manny Ramirez
Pat Borders
Ken Hill
Jose Pantiagua
Mike Meyers
Jeff Nelson
Danny Tartabull
Don Kessinger?

Brian26
06-10-2013, 11:34 PM
Kessinger and Santo

MUsoxfan
06-10-2013, 11:35 PM
Steve Sax

CoopaLoop
06-10-2013, 11:42 PM
Adam Dunn

Boondock Saint
06-11-2013, 12:06 AM
Adam Dunn

Adam Dunn was knocking the cover off of the ball before he got here. He just happened to fall off a cliff at the most unfortunate time for us.

RCWHITESOX
06-11-2013, 12:49 AM
Tommy Davis
Rocky Colavito
Gene Freese
Bobby Bonds
Herb Score

TDog
06-11-2013, 01:58 AM
Claude Osteen and Jim Kaat come to mind, but Kaat actually enjoyed something of a renaissance with the Sox, despite Harry Caray constantly complaining that he needed to be released early in 1974. The presence of the DH in the lineup tends to be a magnet to attract players past their prime. The White Sox Bo Jackson was a shadow of the Bo Jackson that came up with the Royals. And Jose Canseco finished his career keeping the DH spot warm for Frank Thomas.

The relievers like Clay Carroll and Mike Jackson who just keep bouncing around at the end seem abundant. Then, of course, you have the grinders slowed by over the years by a few injuries, such as Darin Erstad and Mark Kotsay, whose White Sox careers might have made you forget how good they once were at baseball. You might even put Tony Phillips into that category.

It isn't just the White Sox, of course. Jason Giambi was still in the league the last I looked, and Kotsay hit a pinch-hit home run the other night for the Padres.

Moses_Scurry
06-11-2013, 05:40 AM
Tom Seaver

Madvora
06-11-2013, 07:08 AM
Jose Canseco
Darin Erstad
Juan Pierre
Kenny Lofton
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Jim Thome (did well, but still past his prime)

DumpJerry
06-11-2013, 07:28 AM
Aaron Poreda.
Lance Broadway.

The Immigrant
06-11-2013, 08:24 AM
I'm still waiting for Kenny to pick up Chone Figgins. Kenny always gets his guy...5-6 years too late.

Chez
06-11-2013, 08:33 AM
Cleon Jones, Deron Johnson (actually put together a decent 2/3 of a season before traded), Phil Regan. Jerry Koosman was "past his prime" when we got him in 1983, but gave us a solid season. The last time the Sox got Baines (2000), he was on fumes.

Frater Perdurabo
06-11-2013, 09:07 AM
Tim Raines (had several good years with us, but not his prime)
George Bell (had one good year with us)
Cory Snyder (had no good years with us)

eriqjaffe
06-11-2013, 09:28 AM
Tom SeaverEven a "past-his-prime" Seaver was still a very good pitcher.

Lip Man 1
06-11-2013, 09:39 AM
Some of the folks on that list amaze me:

1. Tom Seaver averaged 15 wins and an ERA of under four in his two full seasons. In 85' his ERA was 3.17. He averaged 237 innings pitched.

If that's 'over the hill' I'll take four of those guys if you please.

2. Danny Tartabull in his one year hit 27 homer runs and drove in 101 RBI's. Again I'd take that thank you.

Next someone will be saying Steve Kemp was over the hill...

Lip

Madvora
06-11-2013, 09:43 AM
Some of the folks on that list amaze me:

1. Tom Seaver averaged 15 wins and an ERA of under four in his two full seasons. In 85' his ERA was 3.17. He averaged 237 innings pitched.

If that's 'over the hill' I'll take four of those guys if you please.

2. Danny Tartabull in his one year hit 27 homer runs and drove in 101 RBI's. Again I'd take that thank you.

Next someone will be saying Steve Kemp was over the hill...

Lip
No one said "over the hill." Past their prime is different.

SaltyPretzel
06-11-2013, 10:43 AM
Manny Ramirez

DumpJerry
06-11-2013, 11:10 AM
Manny Ramirez
Is "past his prime" the same as "off the Juice?"

Woofer
06-11-2013, 12:08 PM
Harold?

WhiteSox5187
06-11-2013, 12:55 PM
If you want to go way back, the White Sox acquired Rocky Calavito in 1967. I thought they also brought in another guy that year who had some good years in the late 1950s and early 1960s.

WhiteSox5187
06-11-2013, 12:57 PM
Jose Canseco
Darin Erstad
Juan Pierre
Kenny Lofton
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Jim Thome (did well, but still past his prime)

Pierre had a decent 2010, he led the league in stolen bases that year.

Moses_Scurry
06-11-2013, 01:53 PM
You can have a good season but still be past your prime. Paulie has had a number of good seasons past his prime.

EDIT: ****, I just saw that autocorrect changed "Paulie" to Pauline. Completely unintentional guys!

Foulke You
06-11-2013, 02:02 PM
I would add David Wells, Charlie Hough, and Andruw Jones to the list.

TomBradley72
06-11-2013, 03:11 PM
Minnie Minoso (70's & 80's version)

chicagowhitesox1
06-11-2013, 06:07 PM
Jimmy Dykes would probably be one and maybe Harry Hooper. It always amazes me how long Dykes was a part of baseball though.

Vernam
06-11-2013, 06:39 PM
Surprised no one mentioned Moose Skowron. As a goofy little kid, I was thrilled when they picked him up, and later Rocky Colavito. The coolness of those names alone had to have added a year to their careers. They got more out of Moose than out of Rocky, but that's not saying much.

With the "not necessarily washed-up" caveat, Early Wynn and Ted Kluszewski meet the past-their-prime standard. They were before my time, and yes, I realize Wynn won the '59 Cy Young and wasn't bad in '60.

Smokey Burgess was no longer a full-time player but still pretty legendary by pinch hitting standards, such as they were.

Frater Perdurabo
06-11-2013, 07:18 PM
Carl Everett was past his prime both times when KW acquired him, although he performed acceptably.

Lip Man 1
06-11-2013, 07:22 PM
5187:

You are thinking of Kenny Boyer.

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Moose by the way was named to the All Star team in 1965 with the Sox. Had a good year.

Lip

Brian26
06-11-2013, 09:28 PM
Some of the folks on that list amaze me:

1. Tom Seaver averaged 15 wins and an ERA of under four in his two full seasons. In 85' his ERA was 3.17. He averaged 237 innings pitched.

If that's 'over the hill' I'll take four of those guys if you please.

2. Danny Tartabull in his one year hit 27 homer runs and drove in 101 RBI's. Again I'd take that thank you.

Next someone will be saying Steve Kemp was over the hill...

Lip

I didnt list Seaver because he was the Sox best pitcher for two years.

I honestly forgot that Tartabull had such a good year in 96. What happened to him? He was out of baseball the very next year.

Chrisaway
06-11-2013, 09:36 PM
Youkilis?

rmusacch
06-12-2013, 12:56 PM
Kevin Youklis

kba
06-12-2013, 01:38 PM
Minnie Minoso (70's & 80's version)

... and the 1964 version of Minnie
Dave Righetti
Ron Bloomberg
Jim Abbott

Foulke You
06-12-2013, 03:24 PM
I honestly forgot that Tartabull had such a good year in 96. What happened to him? He was out of baseball the very next year.
He signed a 1 year contract with the Phillies after his solid year on the Sox. Fouled a pitch off his toe in the first week or two of the season and missed the entire year. He decided to retire after that.

LITTLE NELL
06-12-2013, 03:26 PM
These guys all had some nice years with the Sox, but yes they were past their prime with the Sox.

Big Klu
George Kell
Billy Goodman
Early Wynn......That's a hard one since he won the Cy Young for us at age 39 in 1959 but his best years were with the Indians.
Roy Sievers.....2 nice years with Sox in 60 and 61.

Paulwny
06-12-2013, 06:20 PM
Don Mueller
Woodie Held
Ray Boone
Ken Boyer
Phil Cavarretta
Del Ennis
Larry Doby
Walt Dropo

LITTLE NELL
06-12-2013, 06:25 PM
Don Mueller
Woodie Held
Ray Boone
Ken Boyer
Phil Cavarretta
Del Ennis
Larry Doby
Walt Dropo

Good job coming up with those guys, I'll might as well add Mike Garcia, Cal McLish and Jim O'toole.

Paulwny
06-12-2013, 06:32 PM
It appears that the Sox were always trying to "catch lightning in a bottle" with veteran players.

Paulwny
06-12-2013, 06:45 PM
Good job coming up with those guys, I'll might as well add Mike Garcia, Cal McLish and Jim O'toole.

I'll always remember McLish's full name, it has stuck with me since I was a kid.
Calvin Coolidge Julius Caesar Tuskahoma McLish

TaylorStSox
06-13-2013, 12:48 PM
Ellis Burks
Wil Cordero

Lip Man 1
06-13-2013, 04:35 PM
Burks had a very solid year for the Sox in 93 didn't he? I want to say he hit .275, 18 home runs, 75 RBI's.

What's wrong with that?

Sox refused to give him a multi year deal so he went to Colorado and became an all-star. Typical.

Lip

Dibbs
06-13-2013, 06:42 PM
The list of players the Sox acquired before or at their prime would be much shorter.

Lip Man 1
06-13-2013, 08:24 PM
Dibbs:

Unfortunately that's very, very true for a number of reasons.

Lip

DumpJerry
06-13-2013, 08:44 PM
I can think of about 29 other MLB teams that also picked up guys who were past their prime.

DSpivack
06-13-2013, 08:46 PM
I can think of about 29 other MLB teams that also picked up guys who were past their prime.

Are you going to post about it at 29 other fan boards, too? :tongue:

Frater Perdurabo
06-13-2013, 09:45 PM
To be the "glass half full" contrarian, I think we could come up with a pretty decent list of players the Sox have produced, and/or acquired early in their careers, and/or started with the Sox and went on to productive careers elsewhere, and/or reached their career peak with the Sox, just in the last 35 years, starting with:

Harold Baines
Britt Burns
Richard Dotson
LaMarr Hoyt
Ron Kittle
Carlton Fisk (played more games with us than BOS)
Greg Walker (nice first half to his career)
Ozzie Guillen
Ivan Calderon
Bobby Bonilla (we developed him)
Bobby Thigpen
Ron Karkovice
Lance Johnson
Jack McDowell
Robin Ventura
Frank Thomas
Alex Fernandez
Wilson Alvarez
Roberto Hernandez
Mike Cameron (we developed him)
Ray Durham
Keith Foulke
Paul Konerko
Magglio Ordonez
Carlos Lee
Chad Bradford (we developed him)
Joe Crede
Mark Buehrle
Jon Garland
Aaron Rowand
Bobby Jenks
Matt Thornton
John Danks
Carlos Quentin
Alexei Ramirez
Chris Sale

I think it's also fair to say these players grown elsewhere reached their career peaks with the Sox:

Jermaine Dye
Scott Podsednik
AJ Pierzynski
Freddy Garcia
Jose Contreras

You may now continue with your "woe is me" pity party.

RCWHITESOX
06-14-2013, 01:30 AM
To be the "glass half full" contrarian, I think we could come up with a pretty decent list of players the Sox have produced, and/or acquired early in their careers, and/or started with the Sox and went on to productive careers elsewhere, and/or reached their career peak with the Sox, just in the last 35 years, starting with:

Harold Baines
Britt Burns
Richard Dotson
LaMarr Hoyt
Ron Kittle
Carlton Fisk (played more games with us than BOS)
Greg Walker (nice first half to his career)
Ozzie Guillen
Ivan Calderon
Bobby Bonilla (we developed him)
Bobby Thigpen
Ron Karkovice
Lance Johnson
Jack McDowell
Robin Ventura
Frank Thomas
Alex Fernandez
Wilson Alvarez
Roberto Hernandez
Mike Cameron (we developed him)
Ray Durham
Keith Foulke
Paul Konerko
Magglio Ordonez
Carlos Lee
Chad Bradford (we developed him)
Joe Crede
Mark Buehrle
Jon Garland
Aaron Rowand
Bobby Jenks
Matt Thornton
John Danks
Carlos Quentin
Alexei Ramirez
Chris Sale

I think it's also fair to say these players grown elsewhere reached their career peaks with the Sox:

Jermaine Dye
Scott Podsednik
AJ Pierzynski
Freddy Garcia
Jose Contreras

You may now continue with your "woe is me" pity party.
Great job. I'll list just one over 35 years but maybe the best acquistion Nellie Fox.

SephClone89
06-14-2013, 05:29 AM
Bartolo Colon


Orlando Hernandez

Orlando Hudson

Orlando Cabrera

Orlando Bloom

Orlando Magic

DumpJerry
06-14-2013, 07:39 AM
Orlando Hernandez
Permanently exempt from criticism by White Sox fans.

TaylorStSox
06-14-2013, 08:11 AM
Burks had a very solid year for the Sox in 93 didn't he? I want to say he hit .275, 18 home runs, 75 RBI's.

What's wrong with that?

Sox refused to give him a multi year deal so he went to Colorado and became an all-star. Typical.

Lip

I don't think you understand what the thread is about.

Lip Man 1
06-14-2013, 11:36 AM
Taylor:

The thread title says "players acquired past their prime..."

Burks made the all star team with Colorado AFTER the Sox let him go, therefore he couldn't have been "past his prime" could he?

Also if guys are "past their prime" how could players like Seaver, Tartabull and Burks put up the numbers they did with the Sox?

Seems to me we differ on the definition of "past their prime."

Lip

DSpivack
06-14-2013, 12:01 PM
Taylor:

The thread title says "players acquired past their prime..."

Burks made the all star team with Colorado AFTER the Sox let him go, therefore he couldn't have been "past his prime" could he?

Also if guys are "past their prime" how could players like Seaver, Tartabull and Burks put up the numbers they did with the Sox?

Seems to me we differ on the definition of "past their prime."

Lip

In baseball, prime usually means when a player is 28-32. That does not mean they can't have good seasons beyond that.

MarksBrokenFoot
06-14-2013, 04:09 PM
In baseball, prime usually means when a player is 28-32. That does not mean they can't have good seasons beyond that.

Well, Ellis was 28 when the Sox got him and his best years were ahead of him. Does not belong here.

TDog
06-14-2013, 04:26 PM
To be the "glass half full" contrarian, I think we could come up with a pretty decent list of players the Sox have produced, and/or acquired early in their careers, and/or started with the Sox and went on to productive careers elsewhere, and/or reached their career peak with the Sox, just in the last 35 years, starting with: ...
Bobby Bonilla (we developed him) ...

The White Sox didn't develop Bobby Bonilla. The Pirates signed him to his first contract in 1981. Bonilla played for teams in the Pirates farm system in 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985. The White Sox claimed him in the Rule 5 draft in December 1985. He went to spring training with the Sox and played 75 major league games in 1986 before the Sox traded him to the Pirates in July for Jose Deleon. Ken Harrelson was the White Sox GM at the time. I believe Larry Himes replaced him at the end of the season. Bonilla was developed by the Pirates, lost him in an oversight and traded to get him back half a season later.

Frater Perdurabo
06-14-2013, 06:22 PM
The White Sox didn't develop Bobby Bonilla. The Pirates signed him to his first contract in 1981. Bonilla played for teams in the Pirates farm system in 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985. The White Sox claimed him in the Rule 5 draft in December 1985. He went to spring training with the Sox and played 75 major league games in 1986 before the Sox traded him to the Pirates in July for Jose Deleon. Ken Harrelson was the White Sox GM at the time. I believe Larry Himes replaced him at the end of the season. Bonilla was developed by the Pirates, lost him in an oversight and traded to get him back half a season later.

I stand corrected.

Tragg
06-14-2013, 09:38 PM
Ken Griffey Jr
Jerry Reuss
Omar Vizquel
Sparky Lyle
John Kruk
Dave Steib
Chris Sabo
Rob Dibble
Oscar Gamble (85)
Roberto Alomar (twice)
Harold Baines (2000)
Charlie Hough
Manny Ramirez
Pat Borders
Ken Hill
Jose Pantiagua
Mike Meyers
Jeff Nelson
Danny Tartabull

Erstad!!
Peavy

Tragg
06-14-2013, 09:41 PM
Bobby Bonilla (we developed him)


Players we gave away would be another list.

Irishsox1
06-18-2013, 02:09 PM
I totally forgot that in 2005 everyone the Sox recently added had great years, Pods, Freddy, Contreras, Everett, El Duque.

Compare that to the disaster of this year.

SI1020
06-18-2013, 04:30 PM
Permanently exempt from criticism by White Sox fans. Absolutely. One of the most clutch pitching performances in a pressure situation ever.

TheFrisbee
06-18-2013, 09:56 PM
Jose Canseco

tstrike2000
06-19-2013, 06:49 AM
Francisco Liriano, Shingo Takatsu, Dustin Hermanson.

waldo_the_wolf
06-19-2013, 01:05 PM
Dustin Hermanson.

If he was past his prime with the Sox, I wish they'd sign about twenty past-their-prime players right now.

PalehosePlanet
06-21-2013, 12:25 PM
From the 70's and 80's alone I can add:

Ralph Garr
Ron Blomberg
Roy Smalley
Ron Hassey
Ron LeFlore
Aurelio Rodriguez
Dick Tidrow
Ron Reed
Jerry Royster
and even Tom Paciorek, who was a late bloomer.

Trend? Four Rons on the list!

tstrike2000
06-22-2013, 01:34 PM
If he was past his prime with the Sox, I wish they'd sign about twenty past-their-prime players right now.

Hermanson was great for most of '05 after being converted to a closer, but once he got injured, his career was done.