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kba
04-23-2013, 09:26 PM
Here's a nice piece of nostalgia:

MediaBurn has posted a complete video of a TV44 White Sox pre-game show (http://mediaburn.org/video/sox-pre-game/) from June 17, 1975. Harry Caray interviews GM Roland Hemond about a bunch of trades Hemond made at the deadline two days before. Tony Muser and Stan Bahnsen departed, but Hemond is excited about acquiring minor leaguer "Chester Lemon" from Oakland. Harry also seems to go out of his way to take a shot at Dick Allen for "retiring" from the team in 1974.

This was the notorious year that Harry was paired with J.C. Martin in the booth, and you can hear some awkward interaction as Martin reads the lineups (and misstates the name of the Texas Rangers).

There are a handful of highlights scattered throughout, including a quick clip of Bahnsen's last game against the Yankees, who were playing in Shea Stadium that year while Yankee Stadium was renovated. A lot of low-budget homemade commercials, too.

Unfortunately, the video ends before the game starts. Before it cuts off, you can see a few seconds of the animated opening that TV44 used for years in the 70's.

RadioheadRocks
04-23-2013, 09:55 PM
Man what a find! The On-Deck show from 1975. Only wish we could have gotten the full game opening intro before the tape ran out... been searching for that for YEARS!!!!

WhiteSox5187
04-23-2013, 09:57 PM
This is a great find, it would certainly be nice if the White Sox or MLB had a YouTube channel that you could post this kind of stuff. But why bother using new technology to embrace the past?

Red Barchetta
04-23-2013, 09:59 PM
Wow! What a flashback! The "graphics" on the commercials are completely laughable. Who wants to buy an AMC Pacer?! :D:

Harry Caray actually looks pretty good and you can understand him compared to his later year with the Cubs.

Certainly a different time and era.

Thanks for posting.

RadioheadRocks
04-23-2013, 10:05 PM
I also remember the Ball Park frank commercial with Redd Foxx quite clearly ("Only room for one dummy", "Right, Dummy!"). Now if only someone can unearth the Chevy commercial with Pat Kelly, Bill Melton and Wilbur Wood singing in the showers ("Switch on, there goes another Chevy!").

Brian26
04-23-2013, 10:17 PM
Unbelievable find. The video quality is almost pristine.

Great fun listening to Hemond talk about the promising third baseman they picked up from Oakland....Chester Lemon.

Brian26
04-23-2013, 10:24 PM
Did Harry have a feud with Dick Allen? Around 8:45-9:30, he's pretty much laying into Allen for quitting on the team at the end of the '74 season. I'm guessing after Hemond left the interview, he turned around and gave Harry a "**** you", which cracked Harry up at 10:15.

asindc
04-23-2013, 10:33 PM
Great find! Kudos!

Brian26
04-23-2013, 10:38 PM
The video is awesome. It even has a clip of Dick the Bruiser and Luscious Johnny Valiant at 15:45. :redneck

Lip Man 1
04-23-2013, 10:42 PM
Terrific find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Already sent the link to Roland and a bunch of guys who were on that club (Jim Katt, Wilbur Wood, Stan Bahnsen, Chet Lemon...)

Just great to see this again.

Regarding Chet at 3rd base, this is from my interview with him:

ML: As I understand it you were a third baseman in the As minor league system yet by 1976, your first full year with the Sox, you had been made into a center fielder. How did that all come about, and is it true that then Sox manager Paul Richards is the guy who suggested the change?

CL: "Paul may have been a part of it but Ill tell you when it first came up about me becoming an outfielder. In late 1975 when I was with the Sox, I was at 3rd base and a ground ball was hit towards the middle. I started running and cut in front of the shortstop and actually wound up around George Orta at second base! (laughing) The very next day I was on the top step of the dugout, it was early in the day since Id always be one of the first guys to show up. Chuck Tanner, the Sox manager, came up, put his arm around my shoulder and said, I can remember this like it was yesterday, son I want you to start taking one hundred fly balls a day because if you stay an infielder youre gonna kill somebody! (laughing)"

Lip

Lip Man 1
04-23-2013, 10:45 PM
Here's what happened in the game later that evening:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1975/B06170TEX1975.htm

Lip

Noneck
04-23-2013, 10:50 PM
So very cool. Martin was painful to listen to. Hemond was such a good GM and Harry always made things interesting. Outstanding find.

PalehosePlanet
04-23-2013, 10:56 PM
Wow, what an awesome find kba! Everything about this clip is great: from Harry's affectionate nature towards Roland, to the names of the players talked about, the lineups, the cheesy '70's car commercials, and, of course, the genius-bad Redd Foxx commercial.

I'm feeling nostalgic now; feel like cracking open a can of HI-C fruit punch and watching the game.

Noneck
04-23-2013, 11:10 PM
The video is awesome. It even has a clip of Dick the Bruiser and Luscious Johnny Valiant at 15:45. :redneck

Outside of the ring you can see Ernie The Big Cat Ladd taking care of Pretty Boy Bobby Heenan.

MUsoxfan
04-23-2013, 11:31 PM
Hemond was so forthcoming about trading. It was fascinating to listen to

chicagowhitesox1
04-23-2013, 11:35 PM
Terrific find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Already sent the link to Roland and a bunch of guys who were on that club (Jim Katt, Wilbur Wood, Stan Bahnsen, Chet Lemon...)

Just great to see this again.

Regarding Chet at 3rd base, this is from my interview with him:

ML: As I understand it you were a third baseman in the As minor league system yet by 1976, your first full year with the Sox, you had been made into a center fielder. How did that all come about, and is it true that then Sox manager Paul Richards is the guy who suggested the change?

CL: "Paul may have been a part of it but Ill tell you when it first came up about me becoming an outfielder. In late 1975 when I was with the Sox, I was at 3rd base and a ground ball was hit towards the middle. I started running and cut in front of the shortstop and actually wound up around George Orta at second base! (laughing) The very next day I was on the top step of the dugout, it was early in the day since Id always be one of the first guys to show up. Chuck Tanner, the Sox manager, came up, put his arm around my shoulder and said, I can remember this like it was yesterday, son I want you to start taking one hundred fly balls a day because if you stay an infielder youre gonna kill somebody! (laughing)"

Lip

Do you think Roland Hemonds will respond, I wonder if he remembers Harry Carey putting him on the spot like that.

Lip Man 1
04-23-2013, 11:37 PM
Loved the footage of the Chicago Cougars playing the Birmingham Bulls in the channel 44 promo.

Lip

Brewski
04-23-2013, 11:48 PM
This made my day, alright. Great memories. Mike Squires and Lamar the Slammer both in the minors at first base. Wish we had their equals there today.

Many thanks, WSI. The video quality was better than I used to get from TV 44.

StillMissOzzie
04-24-2013, 01:02 AM
This made my day, alright. Great memories. Mike Squires and Lamar the Slammer both in the minors at first base. Wish we had their equals there today.

Many thanks, WSI. The video quality was better than I used to get from TV 44.

Yes, I caught that reference about a couple of 1B's coming up in the minors, too.
I remember that car commercial with "... your car runs like a scalded toad", too.
And Brewski, I'm with you on the channel 44 reception, sometimes the old family TV was just unwatchable on the UHF.

SMO
:gulp:

roylestillman
04-24-2013, 05:39 AM
Nyls Nyman. The face of the mid 70's White Sox franchise.

waldo_the_wolf
04-24-2013, 06:45 AM
I had never seen video of the Yankees when they played at Shea Stadium. Strange sight to say the least.

Procol Harum
04-24-2013, 08:28 AM
Awesome--and a shot of a sweet AMC Pacer in the showroom, to boot. I had always remembered J.C. Martin as being excruciating to listen to--but I didn't know what excruciating was until I sat through years of Ed Farmer....

TomBradley72
04-24-2013, 08:50 AM
Awesome--and a shot of a sweet AMC Pacer in the showroom, to boot. I had always remembered J.C. Martin as being excruciating to listen to--but I didn't know what excruciating was until I sat through years of Ed Farmer....

Right after Bob Waller- Waller and Carey were a great team-

Lip Man 1
04-24-2013, 10:43 AM
White Sox 1:

Roland and I talk and e-mail each other regularly. He'll get back to me on this. No I don't think he'd remember that specific interview with Harry.

Lip

SOXSINCE'70
04-24-2013, 08:04 PM
Great!! Thanks!!:bandance:

Viva Medias B's
04-24-2013, 08:34 PM
At the beginning, Al Lerner is a WSNS sportscaster.

kba
04-24-2013, 10:09 PM
Man what a find! The On-Deck show from 1975. Only wish we could have gotten the full game opening intro before the tape ran out... been searching for that for YEARS!!!!

I know this isn't the one you're looking for, but here's the open (https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10200269279606008) that WSNS used from 1978 - 1980, along with some interesting insider TV information about how it was produced.

SI1020
04-25-2013, 12:45 PM
Great find. Did anyone notice the commercial for TV College? Ahead of its time a precursor to Phoenix and all the other on line schools of the digital age.