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thomas35forever
04-16-2013, 09:51 PM
Can he steal too?

Frater Perdurabo
04-16-2013, 09:52 PM
Finally

vinny
04-16-2013, 09:53 PM
Good pitching, actual clutch hitting, Paulie running? This game had everything!

Zakath
04-16-2013, 09:55 PM
Any win up there is a piece of beauty.

voodoochile
04-16-2013, 09:55 PM
Any road win is good. Heck, the way this team is struggling offensively any win is good.

:soxwin:

:)

GlassSox
04-16-2013, 09:59 PM
So nice to watch a winner :D:

cheezheadsoxfan
04-16-2013, 10:00 PM
This is a relief, I confess to not having much hope. For a fill-in starter with not great stuff, Axelrod has done alright.

ChiSoxGal85
04-16-2013, 10:00 PM
I'll take it.

Soxman219
04-16-2013, 10:10 PM
Sox won 2 out of their last 3 games.

Positivity!:smile:

all*star quentin
04-16-2013, 10:11 PM
Start of a Winning streak. :cool:

The Immigrant
04-16-2013, 10:13 PM
Good pitching and a couple of timely hits. More of this please.

cards press box
04-16-2013, 10:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/xReNq.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=the+tank+smith+park+grand+avenue&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=BP7MAJwKoBr17M&tbnid=meBpDrdXNsNweM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforgottenchicago.com%2Fforum%2F1% 2F5886%2F9219%2F_subject_&ei=QAVuUcyILan4yAGtoYGwCw&bvm=bv.45368065,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNE38YjrkuhOYtNULIRVlWzmkqG-AA&ust=1366251196640060)

Attaboy Tank! That's a White Sox winner!

Lip Man 1
04-16-2013, 10:19 PM
The way this team is struggling you take the win but gang they got a grand total of five hits tonight and struck out another 10 times also.

On the plus side the team average with RISP is now up to .160!! (14 for 87) WOO HOO!

These guys simply have got to start hitting the baseball.

Lip

Railsplitter
04-16-2013, 10:20 PM
A win north of the border, eh.
:bandance:

Nice to see the ither guys wasting thier hits for a change.

RKMeibalane
04-16-2013, 10:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/xReNq.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=the+tank+smith+park+grand+avenue&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=BP7MAJwKoBr17M&tbnid=meBpDrdXNsNweM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforgottenchicago.com%2Fforum%2F1% 2F5886%2F9219%2F_subject_&ei=QAVuUcyILan4yAGtoYGwCw&bvm=bv.45368065,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNE38YjrkuhOYtNULIRVlWzmkqG-AA&ust=1366251196640060)

Attaboy Tank! That's a White Sox winner!

The Blank gets a one night reprieve for his double.

Railsplitter
04-16-2013, 10:22 PM
http://i.imgur.com/xReNq.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=the+tank+smith+park+grand+avenue&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=BP7MAJwKoBr17M&tbnid=meBpDrdXNsNweM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforgottenchicago.com%2Fforum%2F1% 2F5886%2F9219%2F_subject_&ei=QAVuUcyILan4yAGtoYGwCw&bvm=bv.45368065,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNE38YjrkuhOYtNULIRVlWzmkqG-AA&ust=1366251196640060)

Attaboy Tank! That's a White Sox winner!
Is this the one on 95th street, in or near Oak Lawn?

amsteel
04-16-2013, 10:53 PM
PK running on that fly tells you a lot about his confidence in this team.

shingo10
04-16-2013, 10:54 PM
Finding some reasons to be hopeful tonight.

With the way we've played it seems like our record should be a whole lot worse than it is so that's a positive.

The 3-0 green light Paulie had was awesome and something I really like about Robin. He trusts that certain guys can crush a fastball right down the middle of the plate and tonight he was rewarded.

Last year holding first place for the majority did nothing for us so maybe a slow start offensively will blossom into a beautiful finish where we are playing our best when it matters most.

kittle42
04-16-2013, 11:18 PM
Sending Paulie was really fun to watch. Nice recovery by Reed in the 9th, and nice work by Axelrod and Santiago.

tstrike2000
04-16-2013, 11:32 PM
Don't look now, but Viciedo is 4 for his last 8. Nice game tonight.

DSpivack
04-16-2013, 11:35 PM
Is this the one on 95th street, in or near Oak Lawn?

Grand and Western.

http://forgottenchicago.com/forum/1/5886/9219/_subject_

delben91
04-17-2013, 12:13 AM
Can't lose 'em all I guess.

BainesHOF
04-17-2013, 12:37 AM
The 3-0 green light Paulie had was awesome and something I really like about Robin. He trusts that certain guys can crush a fastball right down the middle of the plate and tonight he was rewarded.

Any manager with a pulse would have made that call.

Moving on...

Winning is better than losing, of course, but this was yet another game tough to watch largely because we looked clueless at the plate most of the time.

Did anyone see the medallion that Ramirez wears tucked inside his jersey? You could see it on his diving catch. It's approximately the size of a pie plate.

Brewski
04-17-2013, 12:47 AM
I love seeing PK run. That old inside-the-parker was played recently. Fun stuff. Could the Sox use Lillibridge? He's a free man as of right now.

CoopaLoop
04-17-2013, 12:51 AM
I love seeing PK run. That old inside-the-parker was played recently. Fun stuff. Could the Sox use Lillibridge? He's a free man as of right now.

Did we lose our batboy?

kittle42
04-17-2013, 01:09 AM
Could the Sox use Lillibridge?

Oy.

shingo10
04-17-2013, 01:13 AM
Any manager with a pulse would have made that call.

Moving on...

Winning is better than losing, of course, but this was yet another game tough to watch largely because we looked clueless at the plate most of the time.

Did anyone see the medallion that Ramirez wears tucked inside his jersey? You could see it on his diving catch. It's approximately the size of a pie plate.

Uhhh how about our previous one?

BleacherBandit
04-17-2013, 01:24 AM
Did we lose our batboy?

I never minded Lillibridge. He's a decent defender and every once in a while surprises us with some power. Not a bad bench guy.

CoopaLoop
04-17-2013, 01:28 AM
I never minded Lillibridge. He's a decent defender and every once in a while surprises us with some power. Not a bad bench guy.

He's terrible, but he happens to play just about every position.

cards press box
04-17-2013, 01:31 AM
Grand and Western.

http://forgottenchicago.com/forum/1/5886/9219/_subject_

Grand and Western is correct. And from the cars in the photgraph, I would say that the picture is from the late 1950's.

DrCrawdad
04-17-2013, 01:49 AM
Jordan Danks Returns! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-promotion-20130416,0,4632910.story)

TDog
04-17-2013, 02:12 AM
The Blank gets a one night reprieve for his double.

Viciedo went three-for-four Monday night when the Sox actually hit Buehrle pretty well, although they only scored against him int the first. Every starter but Dunn and Flowers had at least one hit Monday. It would be nice to see Viciedo start to come around, but in Toronto, at least, the Sox have had one less black hole in the lineup.

I thought the Sox lost this one when Gillaspie not only didn't sacrifice the runners over but didn't get the lead unner to third with less than two out, especially with two strikes on Viciedo. Not getting the leadoff double over to third in the ninth with the score tied cost the Sox a game in Cleveland. Viciedo surprised me twice, first by running the count full after falling behind and then by driving a 3-2 pitch. It was quite an at bat with the game on the line and different from what I've been seeing from Viciedo coming into Toronto.

For all the complaining about the high number of April home games, it will be good to see this long April road trip come to an end.

JB98
04-17-2013, 02:47 AM
Uhhh how about our previous one?

The previous manager didn't have a pulse, so, no, he would not have given Paulie the 3-0 green light.

Really, if the Sox could hit just a little bit more they could be competitive in the division. Their record is not good at 6-8, but it's not like they've been getting blown off the field. They had one absolute clunker in Cleveland, but they've been one hit away in several of the other losses.

Tonight, they got that one hit from Viciedo. Overall, Tank is not off to a good start, but he has won two games for the Sox with big hits in the late innings.

BainesHOF
04-17-2013, 03:45 AM
I never minded Lillibridge. He's a decent defender and every once in a while surprises us with some power. Not a bad bench guy.

That was true a couple years ago. For whatever reason, he's not the same player anymore. He makes errors and strikes out a lot. I think he's done playing professional baseball.

Mr. Jinx
04-17-2013, 08:01 AM
That was true a couple years ago. For whatever reason, he's not the same player anymore. He makes errors and strikes out a lot. I think he's done playing professional baseball.

That's pretty much the Lillibridge I always remembered.

russ99
04-17-2013, 09:47 AM
Did anyone see the medallion that Ramirez wears tucked inside his jersey? You could see it on his diving catch. It's approximately the size of a pie plate.

I think it's his Olympic medal, the one that the Sox replaced since he had to leave the original in Cuba.

Kind of odd that he wears it for games, but whatever. :D:

Nice win, good to see Tank produce in an unfavorable count.

roylestillman
04-17-2013, 09:51 AM
Any manager with a pulse would have made that call.

Moving on...

Winning is better than losing, of course, but this was yet another game tough to watch largely because we looked clueless at the plate most of the time.

Did anyone see the medallion that Ramirez wears tucked inside his jersey? You could see it on his diving catch. It's approximately the size of a pie plate.

That's Alexei's Olympic gold medal from the 2004 Cuban baseball team. He lost it in 2007 and was given an authorized duplicate by the Sox last July. I don't think he's taken it off since.

vinny
04-17-2013, 09:55 AM
Jordan Danks Returns! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-promotion-20130416,0,4632910.story)

I guess he'll get #20 back since Youk is gone and Keppinger now wears #7.

Noneck
04-17-2013, 10:07 AM
Jordan Danks Returns! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-promotion-20130416,0,4632910.story)


I wanted more pitching but after yesterday I realized this makes sense. Paul couldnt have been pinch run by anyone except Flowers yesterday.

vinny
04-17-2013, 10:13 AM
Grand and Western.

http://forgottenchicago.com/forum/1/5886/9219/_subject_

Now in front of Smith Park at Grand and Campbell.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2607/3718912353_f2f788e1fe_d.jpg

asindc
04-17-2013, 10:18 AM
Viciedo went three-for-four Monday night when the Sox actually hit Buehrle pretty well, although they only scored against him int the first. Every starter but Dunn and Flowers had at least one hit Monday. It would be nice to see Viciedo start to come around, but in Toronto, at least, the Sox have had one less black hole in the lineup.

I thought the Sox lost this one when Gillaspie not only didn't sacrifice the runners over but didn't get the lead unner to third with less than two out, especially with two strikes on Viciedo. Not getting the leadoff double over to third in the ninth with the score tied cost the Sox a game in Cleveland. Viciedo surprised me twice, first by running the count full after falling behind and then by driving a 3-2 pitch. It was quite an at bat with the game on the line and different from what I've been seeing from Viciedo coming into Toronto.

For all the complaining about the high number of April home games, it will be good to see this long April road trip come to an end.

I like the fact that he was patient enough to read the breaking pitch and square up on it with the intent to put it in play, not necessarily to hit it out of the park. Like you said, very good AB by Viciedo, probably his best of the young season so far.

Brewski
04-17-2013, 10:28 AM
I wanted more pitching but after yesterday I realized this makes sense. Paul couldnt have been pinch run by anyone except Flowers yesterday.

It could be of use to have a pitcher that could run a little.

Noneck
04-17-2013, 10:37 AM
It could be of use to have a pitcher that could run a little.

Oh I agree but I think those days have past us.

FielderJones
04-17-2013, 12:14 PM
I thought the Sox lost this one when Gillaspie not only didn't sacrifice the runners over but didn't get the lead unner to third with less than two out, especially with two strikes on Viciedo.

I am not a bunt hater like some here, but bunting a guy who's currently hitting .400+ is absolutely the wrong call. I was glad that Robin just let Gillaspie swing away. It didn't work out, but it was the right management decision.

TomBradley72
04-17-2013, 12:18 PM
I am not a bunt hater like some here, but bunting a guy who's currently hitting .400+ is absolutely the wrong call. I was glad that Robin just let Gillaspie swing away. It didn't work out, but it was the right management decision.

I don't know- if Robin is going to bunt in close games- 1st and 2nd, no outs, 9th inning, tie game, would seem to be the situation for it.

Getting a runner to 3rd also starts to impact pitch selection to avoid wild pitch, etc.

TDog
04-17-2013, 12:28 PM
The previous manager didn't have a pulse, so, no, he would not have given Paulie the 3-0 green light.

Really, if the Sox could hit just a little bit more they could be competitive in the division. Their record is not good at 6-8, but it's not like they've been getting blown off the field. They had one absolute clunker in Cleveland, but they've been one hit away in several of the other losses.

Tonight, they got that one hit from Viciedo. Overall, Tank is not off to a good start, but he has won two games for the Sox with big hits in the late innings.

I thought Konerko had the green light on 3-0 plenty of times in the Guillen years. In 2011, I remember a win against the Dodgers when Konerko hit a sacrifice fly off of Kuroda on a 3-0 pitch. On other occasions he didn't put the pitch in play or appeared ready to swing. Short of a statement from Konerko that Guillen never have given him the green light on 3-0, and the sacrifice fly aganst the Dodgers would contradict that, I don't see why this is grounds to criticize the former manager.

As for the Sox offense, the Viciedo in the first two games in Toronto is the Viciedo I expected to see this season. If it is closer to what the Sox get out of him this season, the offense might not be in such bad shape.

I thought the Sox would have an improved offense this year, even with the loss of Pierzynski, although Flowers has looked hopeless on this roadtrip. I expected more out of Viciedo. I always expect more out of Dunn because in spirng training he always seems to be changing his approach. I think Konerko will be more dangerous this year,at least more dangerous than he was in the second half last year because he is healthier. I expected Rios to have another strong season. I expected Ramirez to have a better season, and as Ramirez Aprils go, this one hasn't been so bad. I expected Gillaspie to be a good offensive player and expected Beckham would provide more offense at second, which he was before his injury.

The key to the offense, though, seems the consistency at the very top of the order, which didn't feel like a weakness coming into the season. De Aza and Keppinger haven't hit nearly as well as they were expected to. I believe, at least I would like to believe they will come around. At least I hope they do. If they do, I don't believe this team will look so out of it offensifely.

hawkjt
04-17-2013, 12:35 PM
I thought Konerko had the green light on 3-0 plenty of times in the Guillen years. In 2011, I remember a win against the Dodgers when Konerko hit a sacrifice fly off of Kuroda on a 3-0 pitch. On other occasions he didn't put the pitch in play or appeared ready to swing. Short of a statement from Konerko that Guillen never have given him the green light on 3-0, and the sacrifice fly aganst the Dodgers would contradict that, I don't see why this is grounds to criticize the former manager.

As for the Sox offense, the Viciedo in the first two games in Toronto is the Viciedo I expected to see this season. If it is closer to what the Sox get out of him this season, the offense might not be in such bad shape.

I thought the Sox would have an improved offense this year, even with the loss of Pierzynski, although Flowers has looked hopeless on this roadtrip. I expected more out of Viciedo. I always expect more out of Dunn because in spirng training he always seems to be changing his approach. I think Konerko will be more dangerous this year,at least more dangerous than he was in the second half last year because he is healthier. I expected Rios to have another strong season. I expected Ramirez to have a better season, and as Ramirez Aprils go, this one hasn't been so bad. I expected Gillaspie to be a good offensive player and expected Beckham would provide more offense at second, which he was before his injury.

The key to the offense, though, seems the consistency at the very top of the order, which didn't feel like a weakness coming into the season. De Aza and Keppinger haven't hit nearly as well as they were expected to. I believe, at least I would like to believe they will come around. At least I hope they do. If they do, I don't believe this team will look so out of it offensifely.


Exactly. DeAza and Kepp just have not hit their stride at all yet.

Dunn's new approach is a disaster so far. He only has 3 walks? He needs to go back to the old approach of being patient,taking pitches and either walking,striking out or hitting a home run. If he could just match last years numbers I can live with it.

PK,Alexei,Alex,and Gillaspie are fine. Dayan coming alive is huge. Great at bat...might have saved the road trip. Now,go win the last two and get home at .500.

TDog
04-17-2013, 12:55 PM
I am not a bunt hater like some here, but bunting a guy who's currently hitting .400+ is absolutely the wrong call. I was glad that Robin just let Gillaspie swing away. It didn't work out, but it was the right management decision.

Not bunting with Gillaspie last night didn't keep the White Sox from winning, so the decision to send him up not to bunt prived to be the right call by definition. But he didn't send Gillaspie up to stirke out. His at bat was failed execution. Regardless of his batting average, the minimum you want to see from Gillaspie with the score tied in the top of the ninth and men on first and second is a runner on third with one out.

The reason there was no bunt was probably Konerko running at first, who wasn't pinch run for because Wise was running for Dunn. There was more speed on the bench, but if the inning failed, you don't want to go into extra innings with both Dunn and Konerko out of the lineup. Even a good bunt by Gillaspie could have left a runner at first with one out. Still, Gillaspie actually sacrificed some in Fresno the last couple of years, despite being a pretty good hitter. He seems to be a good bunter. In isolation, I don't think having Gillaspie swing away was a magnificent decision, but it didn't hurt.

This wasn't identical to the slituation in Cleveland. If you only have a runner at second with no one out, you really shouldn't see a bunt. Fundamental baseball is to hit the ball to the right side. With no runner on first, you won't ground into a double play, and the ball might go through for a hit. I have been told that hitters are often told to get the runner over to third, leaving it up to them how they will do it. A sacrifice bunt doesn't hurt your batting average or OPS (a sacrifice fly doesn't affect your batting average, but will lower your OPS). Often, hitters who bunt with a runner on second are doing so on their own.

JB98
04-17-2013, 02:58 PM
I thought Konerko had the green light on 3-0 plenty of times in the Guillen years. In 2011, I remember a win against the Dodgers when Konerko hit a sacrifice fly off of Kuroda on a 3-0 pitch. On other occasions he didn't put the pitch in play or appeared ready to swing. Short of a statement from Konerko that Guillen never have given him the green light on 3-0, and the sacrifice fly aganst the Dodgers would contradict that, I don't see why this is grounds to criticize the former manager.

As for the Sox offense, the Viciedo in the first two games in Toronto is the Viciedo I expected to see this season. If it is closer to what the Sox get out of him this season, the offense might not be in such bad shape.

I thought the Sox would have an improved offense this year, even with the loss of Pierzynski, although Flowers has looked hopeless on this roadtrip. I expected more out of Viciedo. I always expect more out of Dunn because in spirng training he always seems to be changing his approach. I think Konerko will be more dangerous this year,at least more dangerous than he was in the second half last year because he is healthier. I expected Rios to have another strong season. I expected Ramirez to have a better season, and as Ramirez Aprils go, this one hasn't been so bad. I expected Gillaspie to be a good offensive player and expected Beckham would provide more offense at second, which he was before his injury.

The key to the offense, though, seems the consistency at the very top of the order, which didn't feel like a weakness coming into the season. De Aza and Keppinger haven't hit nearly as well as they were expected to. I believe, at least I would like to believe they will come around. At least I hope they do. If they do, I don't believe this team will look so out of it offensifely.

For his career, Konerko is 10-for-17 with four home runs and 17 RBIs when swinging at a 3-0 pitch. So, on average, he swings 3-0 about once a season.

Guillen might have given him the green light a few times, but not nearly enough. And, yes, I do realize that sometimes a player has the green light and elects not to swing.

October26
04-17-2013, 03:28 PM
Sox won 2 out of their last 3 games.

Positivity!:smile:

http://i.imgur.com/xReNq.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=the+tank+smith+park+grand+avenue&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=BP7MAJwKoBr17M&tbnid=meBpDrdXNsNweM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforgottenchicago.com%2Fforum%2F1% 2F5886%2F9219%2F_subject_&ei=QAVuUcyILan4yAGtoYGwCw&bvm=bv.45368065,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNE38YjrkuhOYtNULIRVlWzmkqG-AA&ust=1366251196640060)

Attaboy Tank! That's a White Sox winner!

Don't look now, but Viciedo is 4 for his last 8. Nice game tonight.

Nice win, good to see Tank produce in an unfavorable count.

Viciedo went three-for-four Monday night when the Sox actually hit Buehrle pretty well, although they only scored against him int the first...Viciedo surprised me twice, first by running the count full after falling behind and then by driving a 3-2 pitch. It was quite an at bat with the game on the line and different from what I've been seeing from Viciedo coming into Toronto.



I like the fact that he was patient enough to read the breaking pitch and square up on it with the intent to put it in play, not necessarily to hit it out of the park. Like you said, very good AB by Viciedo, probably his best of the young season so far.



PK,Alexei,Alex,and Gillaspie are fine. Dayan coming alive is huge. Great at bat...might have saved the road trip. Now,go win the last two and get home at .500.

:thumbsup: :bliss: :wooty:

So nice to read positive messages and love for Viciedo. As President of the Dayan Viciedo Fan Club, I approve these messages. :redneck

A couple more comments:

* The catch by Alexei was phenomenal.
* I enjoyed watching the game, especially when they showed shots of the Sox dugout. The players are enthusiastic and appear to be having fun. It is April 17 after all. Anyway, I am hoping to see the Sox go on a long winning streak. GO SOX!

TDog
04-17-2013, 04:34 PM
For his career, Konerko is 10-for-17 with four home runs and 17 RBIs when swinging at a 3-0 pitch. So, on average, he swings 3-0 about once a season.

Guillen might have given him the green light a few times, but not nearly enough. And, yes, I do realize that sometimes a player has the green light and elects not to swing.

On the average, Konerko has put the ball in play on 3-0 about once a season in his career. That doesn't mean he only has the green light an average of once a season. That doesn't take into account the 3-0 pitches he fouled off or the 3-0 pitches he took when he has the green light because they weren't what he was looking for. If he gets hits more than half the time, chances are he isn't swining at many pitcher's pitchers on 3-0 and can be trusted. I consider that more likely than managers guessing right on giving him the green light more than half the time.

I don't know that Guillen often, if ever gave Konerko the take sign on 3-0, especially post 2005. It's possible that Konerko developed into a hitter that was on his own on 3-0 under Guillen and could well be under Ventura. I simply don't know if White Sox managers in the last five years have to give Konerko the green light.

And, with all due respect, throwing out a hypothetical, I don't know that Guillen would have intentionally walked the hitter ahead of Nick Swisher in the ninth with the winning run on third. It never crossed my mind until just now as I found myself wondering why anything good that happens as the White Sox are being managed by their early 1990s third baseman has to be greeted with insistance that it wouldn't have happened when the Whtie Sox were being managed by their early 1990s shortstop.