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BleacherBandit
04-12-2013, 08:27 PM
damn.

Frater Perdurabo
04-12-2013, 08:27 PM
I loathe Nick Swisher

thomas35forever
04-12-2013, 08:28 PM
**** Nick Swisher.

BleacherBandit
04-12-2013, 08:28 PM
mods: please delete this. I'm an idiot.

Viva Medias B's
04-12-2013, 08:28 PM
Swisher gets a hit and acts like it's Cleveland's first World Series championship since 1948.

BleacherBandit
04-12-2013, 08:28 PM
I loathe White Sox situational hitting.

Frater Perdurabo
04-12-2013, 08:29 PM
Quintana had a great game.

Thornton was sharp.

Rios and Gillaspie continue to hit the ball well.

DonnieDarko
04-12-2013, 08:29 PM
I'm still pissed that Ramirez couldn't execute that ****ing bunt. Like, I'm steamed. Why in the hell Ventura would have him bunt when it's obvious that he doesn't know what the **** he's doing up there when it comes to a bunting situation is beyond me.

What a crappy way to waste the best (or second-best) pitching performance of the season so far.

SOXfnNlansing
04-12-2013, 08:29 PM
opening day was great, but it looks like a long year unless we can have an 8 game winning streak soon! Scoring runs looks like a problem.

WhiteSox5187
04-12-2013, 08:30 PM
Of course it was Swisher. If the Sox can't figure out how to bring a man in from second with nobody out it is going to be a looong year.

I know some people didn't like the call to bunt, I don't mind calling for the bunt but calling for Alexei to bunt is a bad idea. He SHOULD be able to do it of course, but he has shown that he can't. Even if he did get the bunt down, I still don't think the Sox would have been able to drive him in.

Frater Perdurabo
04-12-2013, 08:31 PM
I'm still pissed that Ramirez couldn't execute that ****ing bunt. Like, I'm steamed. Why in the hell Ventura would have him bunt when it's obvious that he doesn't know what the **** he's doing up there when it comes to a bunting situation is beyond me.

What a crappy way to waste the best (or second-best) pitching performance of the season so far.

Robin needs to have Alexei out at 9 am tomorrow for bunting practice.

thomas35forever
04-12-2013, 08:31 PM
Swisher gets a hit and acts like it's Cleveland's first World Series championship since 1948.
I'm at work and wasn't entirely sure who that was at first. Then, I was like "figures." What an ass.

Bucky F. Dent
04-12-2013, 08:31 PM
Well this is a damned depressing way to start the weekend!

Gawd, I hate Nick Swisher!

shingo10
04-12-2013, 08:32 PM
Swish hit a walkoff when he was on our team too...

Then he sucked the rest of the season.

Tough, tough loss and no end to the misery in sight.

DonnieDarko
04-12-2013, 08:32 PM
Robin needs to have Alexei out at 9 am tomorrow for bunting practice.

To hell with that. Just don't ask him to bunt. Part of being a manager is knowing what your players can and can't do. It's ****ing obvious to any Sox fan that this man can't bunt for a sacrifice, so why ask him to do something that he can't do?

It boggles my goddamned mind!

LoveYourSuit
04-12-2013, 08:33 PM
Good thing for me I'm starting to get dis-interested on this team very quickly. Don't need another tease. Suck, then suck early.

Over By There
04-12-2013, 08:33 PM
Great effort by Quintana wasted. Alexei has always seemed utterly unable to bunt when it matters, which is infuriating. Get 'em tomorrow.

Viva Medias B's
04-12-2013, 08:34 PM
Swisher may be popular in the Tribe clubhouse, but by August his teammates will be so sick of him they'll happily drive Swisher to the airport themselves.

Tragg
04-12-2013, 08:34 PM
That was not good. We look like a team that plays poorly as a team, despite doing some parts (like pitching) well.
runner on 2nd no outs late in the game, and we execute like clowns.

cv sox fan
04-12-2013, 08:34 PM
gonna be along season!

DonnieDarko
04-12-2013, 08:34 PM
Good thing for me I'm starting to get dis-interested on this team very quickly. Don't need another tease. Suck, then suck early.

This. I've about given up already...at least for awhile. I'm going to wait for the Hawks to finish a playoff run, then come back and see how they're doing. But until that point I'm not watching or going to another ****ing game. This crap has been going on far too long for me to be patient with.

ChiSoxGal85
04-12-2013, 08:34 PM
Robin needs to have Alexei out at 9 am tomorrow for bunting practice.
He hasn't learned it by now, no way is he ever gonna learn. He needs to not bunt except for non-pressure situations where he's trying to get a hit. Or maybe not ever, I dunno.

I changed the channel when I saw it was Swisher batting, because I didn't want to see his mug dancing around after the winning hit. :angry:

Frater Perdurabo
04-12-2013, 08:35 PM
Swisher consistently ***** the Sox. From giving up Gio for him, to his abject incompetence in 2008, to the hot garbage we got in return for him, to him beating our brains in as a Yankee and now an Indian, I hope he develops uncontrollable diarrhea every time he plays the Sox.

Jurr
04-12-2013, 08:36 PM
I'll take a team of home run/low awareness hitters over an athletic team any day.
Too tired for teal.

Whatever. Go Sox.

Zakath
04-12-2013, 08:39 PM
Quintana gave us the start we needed. Too bad it was against one of the best pitchers on one of the worst teams in the AL.

Alexei should never be allowed to even fake bunt again.

thomas35forever
04-12-2013, 08:41 PM
Swisher consistently ***** the Sox. From giving up Gio for him, to his abject incompetence in 2008, to the hot garbage we got in return for him, to him beating our brains in as a Yankee and now an Indian, I hope he develops uncontrollable diarrhea every time he plays the Sox.
Makes you wonder if he's doing it on purpose. After his father sucked with the Cubs, he probably decided to get revenge on the city via our team. What other way to explain it?

Frater Perdurabo
04-12-2013, 08:43 PM
Swisher may be popular in the Tribe clubhouse, but by August his teammates will be so sick of him they'll happily drive Swisher to the airport themselves.

Did the Yankees have problems with him in the clubhouse? If not, I wonder if his clubhouse issues were more a matter of not falling in line with Ozzie as clubhouse leader, combined with his abject underperformance.

Soxman219
04-12-2013, 08:43 PM
Alexei cost the Sox the game by himself tonight. Pathetic, only team in baseball without a road win. :angry:

Viva Medias B's
04-12-2013, 08:45 PM
Did the Yankees have problems with him in the clubhouse? If not, I wonder if his clubhouse issues were more a matter of not falling in line with Ozzie as clubhouse leader, combined with his abject underperformance.

His act was tolerable when he was producing and we were winning, but when things go south, he becomes a liability. I don't recall any other Sox players shedding tears when he left.

thomas35forever
04-12-2013, 08:50 PM
Alexei cost the Sox the game by himself tonight. Pathetic, only team in baseball without a road win. :angry:
Yeah, it's all his fault nobody else could deliver.:rolleyes:

Soxman219
04-12-2013, 08:54 PM
Yeah, it's all his fault nobody else could deliver.:rolleyes:

Fine, but he played a bigger part by getting caught stealing by like 5 miles and that horrible bunting attempt.

DonnieDarko
04-12-2013, 08:57 PM
Fine, but he played a bigger part by getting caught stealing by like 5 miles and that horrible bunting attempt.

In his defense, the getting caught stealing was the Indians reading the hit and run and neutralizing it. Ramirez really shouldn't be faulted for that one.

And on the bunt that should be more on Ventura than Ramirez. He should not have been bunting for a sacrifice, and Ventura should have known that.

WhiteSox5187
04-12-2013, 09:21 PM
Did the Yankees have problems with him in the clubhouse? If not, I wonder if his clubhouse issues were more a matter of not falling in line with Ozzie as clubhouse leader, combined with his abject underperformance.

His act was tolerable when he was producing and we were winning, but when things go south, he becomes a liability. I don't recall any other Sox players shedding tears when he left.

I don't think it was tolerated that much. There was a Deadspin chat with a sports writer for the NY Post and he was asked what is the one story that people aren't talking enough about and he said "how everyone in the Yankees clubhouse hates Nick Swisher."

WhiteSox5187
04-12-2013, 09:21 PM
Fine, but he played a bigger part by getting caught stealing by like 5 miles and that horrible bunting attempt.

That was a blown hit and run.

Lip Man 1
04-12-2013, 09:31 PM
You can't win if you can't score.

0-4 RISP tonight.

Now 9-62 RISP so far this season.

.250, .154, .162, .212, .154, .000...the season batting averages of six of the nine Sox starters after tonight's game.

Brutal, just brutal.

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Regarding Ramirez and bunting, I've posted in the past being told by some who cover the Sox regularly that Alexei does not like to bunt, and his efforts to do it are half hearted at best. He simply flat out hates being asked to bunt and it shows.

Lip

Red Barchetta
04-12-2013, 10:03 PM
New pants: 0-4! Bring back the tuxedo double stripe!

:D:

blandman
04-12-2013, 10:06 PM
You can't win if you can't score.

0-4 RISP tonight.

Now 9-62 RISP so far this season.

.250, .154, .162, .212, .154, .000...the season batting averages of six of the nine Sox starters after tonight's game.

Brutal, just brutal.

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Regarding Ramirez and bunting, I've posted in the past being told by some who cover the Sox regularly that Alexei does not like to bunt, and his efforts to do it are half hearted at best. He simply flat out hates being asked to bunt and it shows.

Lip

We knew the offense would be bad going in. Gotta win a lot of 1-0, 2-1 games if we're to survive.

Lip Man 1
04-12-2013, 10:09 PM
On the season the Sox are hitting .145 with runners in scoring position. Don't know if that's the worst in baseball at this time but if it isn't, I'd hate to be the team who is.

Also in the postgame recap by Gonzo, Robin said (paraphrasing) 'it wasn't Ramirez's fault he couldn't get the bunt down, Masterson's pitches were moving all over the place...' Just FYI.

Blandman...unless you've got the Sox pitching staff's from the late 1950's or the mid 1960's it going to be hard to win a bunch of those type games. No disrespect to the current pitching staff but they don't remind me of those staff's. Those guys back in the day were incredibly good.

Lip

Zakath
04-12-2013, 10:20 PM
On the positive side, Alex Rios's hitting streak has now reached 16 games (including the last 6 of 2012).

Shame we can't seem to put anything around him.

Lip Man 1
04-12-2013, 10:24 PM
Zakath:

Great! Rios will bring more at the trade deadline if he's playing good! LOL. :D:

Sorry...had to do it.

Lip

PushinWeight
04-12-2013, 10:35 PM
On a bright note ill take the nose dive the sox appear they are headed down than the gut wretching September collapse last season.

BainesHOF
04-12-2013, 10:35 PM
Something needs to be done short-term and long-term about Ramirez's bunting.

Short-term, I'd bench him for two games if possible. It's one thing to not execute the bunt. It's another to approach the two attempts like he did. Ramirez should be completely embarrassed that he doesn't know how to sacrifice bunt as a veteran shortstop.

Long-term, he needs to arrive early to practice bunting until he at least approaches bunting properly. This problem needs to be corrected at last. It reflects poorly on Guillen and Ventura that they allowed Ramirez to get away with his poor attitude toward bunting for so long.

shingo10
04-12-2013, 10:54 PM
Knew Robin would have hard nights as he had never coached at any level before and he has but managing this team has to be one of the most thankless jobs there is out there right now.

The fanbase is beyond fed up, he hasn't exactly had much to work with and the injuries have piled up over the past two years. One thing I'll say is that they have shown some fight this year and that is a credit to him and the coaching staff. Because we all remember 2011.

Mercy.

WhiteSox5187
04-12-2013, 10:58 PM
Something needs to be done short-term and long-term about Ramirez's bunting.

Short-term, I'd bench him for two games if possible. It's one thing to not execute the bunt. It's another to approach the two attempts like he did. Ramirez should be completely embarrassed that he doesn't know how to sacrifice bunt as a veteran shortstop.

Long-term, he needs to arrive early to practice bunting until he at least approaches bunting properly. This problem needs to be corrected at last. It reflects poorly on Guillen and Ventura that they allowed Ramirez to get away with his poor attitude toward bunting for so long.

There isn't much you can do. I seem to recall reading where Ozzie spent awhile trying to get him to learn how to bunt back in 2009 or so, at the end of the day if a guy doesn't want to bunt he is not going to bunt. I suppose you COULD bench him but it's not like we are talking about a 20 year old rookie here. Alexei is a veteran and knows his role on the team and I suspect he also knows that there is no one else on the roster who can play short.

Zakath
04-12-2013, 11:34 PM
Zakath:

Great! Rios will bring more at the trade deadline if he's playing good! LOL. :D:

Sorry...had to do it.

Lip

Does seem to be an all-too common trend among Sox fans. As soon as someone is doing really well, a significant faction of our fanbase is trying to see what prospects we can get if we trade them away...

WhiteSox5187
04-12-2013, 11:40 PM
Does seem to be an all-too common trend among Sox fans. As soon as someone is doing really well, a significant faction of our fanbase is trying to see what prospects we can get if we trade them away...

If Rios is having a great year and we are clearly going nowhere, I would trade him for whatever the Sox can get. Guys like Rios and Peavy are nice players who can contribute but they are not the kind of guys you can build around for the next three to four years.

kittle42
04-13-2013, 12:18 AM
Good thing for me I'm starting to get dis-interested on this team very quickly. Don't need another tease. Suck, then suck early.

Totally agree. As much as I love baseball, I haven't been really sold on a Sox season since early 2009. Of course, I learned my lesson quickly there.

It sucks to not enjoy baseball. I just can't get excited about this .500 at best on paper team.

But hey, anything can happen. That really should be the annual Sox slogan. That's how they run things.

kittle42
04-13-2013, 12:19 AM
Does seem to be an all-too common trend among Sox fans. As soon as someone is doing really well, a significant faction of our fanbase is trying to see what prospects we can get if we trade them away...

Which is the best idea. So good for them. Wish the Sox realized it.

Tragg
04-13-2013, 12:27 AM
His act was tolerable when he was producing and we were winning, but when things go south, he becomes a liability. I don't recall any other Sox players shedding tears when he left.

Except that we won the division the year that he was here. TCQ won that division for us, but things weren't south that year.

Tragg
04-13-2013, 12:29 AM
Zakath:

Great! Rios will bring more at the trade deadline if he's playing good! LOL. :D:

Sorry...had to do it.

Lip

Not if the Sox execute trades like they have for the last 5 years. Santos, TCQ, and Jackson were all given away.

StillMissOzzie
04-13-2013, 12:49 AM
A whole bunch of us thought that this team would go as far as the pitching would take them, because they weren't going to score a lot of runs. So far, bang on 2 for 2.

It sure sucks that Quintana's gem goes for naught.

And I don't mind the celebration as in excess, but - Anyone but Swisher. And also while not excessive, that "airplane" move into first base was galling.

Let's get a road game - SOON!

SMO
:angry:

BigHurt3515
04-13-2013, 12:58 AM
Really hope this team is still somewhat in it in June, I will be visiting Chicago and be going to a game. Would really suck if we were struggling and out of it.

JB98
04-13-2013, 01:28 AM
I really, really hate that Ventura asked Ramirez to bunt. Others have noted that Ramirez is a poor at bunting, which is without question accurate.

But, even if he had gotten the bunt down, it was a poor choice. It would be one thing if Konerko or Rios was on deck. But why in the world are you trying to set up an RBI chance for Gimenez?

Man at second, nobody out. Ramirez, Gimenez and De Aza are the next three hitters. Who is the best RBI man out of those three? I would contend it is Ramirez. So why take the bat out of his hands?

amsteel
04-13-2013, 03:09 AM
This team better find an identity in the next 10 days otherwise theres gonna be a lot of unsold 7$ tickets for the rest of the year.

The bunt call in the 8th is unforgivable. This team can't hit w/ RISP so you decide to give them 2 chances instead of 3? After 172 games I'm sticking to my guns that hiring RV was a gimmick to give jaded fans a reason to pay attention to a middling team.

LITTLE NELL
04-13-2013, 05:56 AM
I have never ever understood the reasoning behind bunting with a man on second and no one out.

After 10 games its the same old story, in th A.L. we are 14th in runs scored, last in OBP, 10th in Batting Average, 12th in OPS but 4th in HRs which means we probably lead the league in bases empty HRs.
4th in ERA which works but if the hitting continues with these kind of numbers its going to be a long season.

guillensdisciple
04-13-2013, 05:58 AM
If Rios is having a great year and we are clearly going nowhere, I would trade him for whatever the Sox can get. Guys like Rios and Peavy are nice players who can contribute but they are not the kind of guys you can build around for the next three to four years.

Have been saying this for years now. The white sox refuse to go into rebuild and instead choose mediocrity to sub par baseball. In my opinion, this is a slow and painful death that the sox have chosen, since we will have to get young either way. Truth told, I have no idea what young talent I would keep with this club. Wrong philosophy for a while.

The fact is that nothing has changed with this club. We will vontinue to get quality pitching that will be wasted by this horrific offense. It has been this way since 2005 and it will be this way until we change something. People used to clamor about the hitting coach-I don't think that was a ever an issue but rather a circumstance. Instead, this a case of the same olds from the sox.

At this point, I am not surprised by what we see on the field, and neither are the majority of fans. Besides watching out pitchers play, how do you get excited by an aging mediocre ball club? You don't.

dickallen15
04-13-2013, 06:26 AM
Have been saying this for years now. The white sox refuse to go into rebuild and instead choose mediocrity to sub par baseball. In my opinion, this is a slow and painful death that the sox have chosen, since we will have to get young either way. Truth told, I have no idea what young talent I would keep with this club. Wrong philosophy for a while.

The fact is that nothing has changed with this club. We will vontinue to get quality pitching that will be wasted by this horrific offense. It has been this way since 2005 and it will be this way until we change something. People used to clamor about the hitting coach-I don't think that was a ever an issue but rather a circumstance. Instead, this a case of the same olds from the sox.

At this point, I am not surprised by what we see on the field, and neither are the majority of fans. Besides watching out pitchers play, how do you get excited by an aging mediocre ball club? You don't.

Sox scored the 4th most runs in the AL last season, even more than the Tigers. If a 4-6 record over 10 games is reason to pack it in, there are a lot of teams apparently playing for next year.

The Sox don't have guys they can get top prospects for, except for Sale. Sale is the one guy if they decided to go into full rebuild mode that they should move. He would get them several top prospects. It would make no sense having him pitch for a team destined to be bad, and by the time the Sox were ready to contend again, he would either be hurt or on the verge of making $30 million a year.

asindc
04-13-2013, 09:01 AM
I really, really hate that Ventura asked Ramirez to bunt. Others have noted that Ramirez is a poor at bunting, which is without question accurate.

But, even if he had gotten the bunt down, it was a poor choice. It would be one thing if Konerko or Rios was on deck. But why in the world are you trying to set up an RBI chance for Gimenez?

Man at second, nobody out. Ramirez, Gimenez and De Aza are the next three hitters. Who is the best RBI man out of those three? I would contend it is Ramirez. So why take the bat out of his hands?

The idea was to move the runner to 3rd with one out so that a run could be scored on an out. It should be much easier to score a run with a bunt and fly ball or grounder up the middle than to rely on someone getting a solid hit. Should be, but apparently this team makes it seem much more difficult. Most Little Leaguers can execute a bunt better than Alexei.

BainesHOF
04-13-2013, 09:04 AM
There isn't much you can do. I seem to recall reading where Ozzie spent awhile trying to get him to learn how to bunt back in 2009 or so, at the end of the day if a guy doesn't want to bunt he is not going to bunt. I suppose you COULD bench him but it's not like we are talking about a 20 year old rookie here. Alexei is a veteran and knows his role on the team and I suspect he also knows that there is no one else on the roster who can play short.

I know what you're saying, but at the same time there is no excuse for not at least trying to bunt correctly. It's a pretty simple concept. If Ramirez's way of bunting is his way of saying *$%@ you to the manager, then he needs his attitude changed or he needs to be traded. It's losing baseball and should not be tolerated.

There are reasons why teams like the Giants and Cardinals win the World Series and why we fail to make the playoffs.

Mr. Jinx
04-13-2013, 09:57 AM
Not if the Sox execute trades like they have for the last 5 years. Santos, TCQ, and Jackson were all given away.

None of those guys are all that good though. Besides TCQs MVP-like 4 months that history is showing was an outlier, what have any of them really done on a consistent basis?

Foulke You
04-13-2013, 10:03 AM
As with most here , I hated the bunt call in that situation. Conor is a decent runner and was already in scoring position. Why would you also set up a pressure packed at bat for your rookie backup catcher? Made little sense to me.

Also, Sox had some terrible luck last night too. Missed a HR by a few feet a couple of times. The Bourn squib double was another example . *patiently waits for someone to tell me that good teams make their own luck*

Tragg
04-13-2013, 10:52 AM
None of those guys are all that good though. Besides TCQs MVP-like 4 months that history is showing was an outlier, what have any of them really done on a consistent basis?

Jackson had significant value at the deadline. On edit, I realize that Toronto got Rasmus, who is not good, for Jackson, so they didn't get much either (although Rasmus was hyped for years). Heck, we even took back a middle reliever we didn't need.
Quentin's still a good hitter.
The prospects we took back were all duds.
One of the problems the Sox had for years was that Guillen was so poor at evaluating talent, that he couldn't tell Williams which prospects were keepers and which were phony. Larusa and Duncan could evaluate their prospects. Hopefully the Sox improve on evaluating theirs and targeted prospects.

asindc
04-13-2013, 10:57 AM
Jackson had significant value at the deadline. On edit, I realize that Toronto got Rasmus, who is not good, for Jackson, so they didn't get much either (although Rasmus was hyped for years). Heck, we even took back a middle reliever we didn't need.
Quentin's still a good hitter.
The prospects we took back were all duds.
One of the problems the Sox had for years was that Guillen was so poor at evaluating talent, that he couldn't tell Williams which prospects were keepers and which were phony.

In any discussion of the Jackson to Toronto trade, you must factor in Toronto taking on Mark Teahen's salary.

doublem23
04-13-2013, 10:57 AM
For one thing, Toronto got a heck of a lot more for Jackson than we did. He had significant value at the deadline. Heck, we even took back a middle reliever we didn't need.
Quentin's still a good hitter.
The prospects we took back were all duds.

You can apply that to almost every trade ever involving minor league players being exchanged for MLB ones. Toronto only acquired 1 prospect in that deal, Colby Rasmus, the guy most Sox fans coveted. He's hit a robust .215/.275/.393 in Toronto since the deal.

October26
04-13-2013, 11:13 AM
He hasn't learned it by now, no way is he ever gonna learn. He needs to not bunt except for non-pressure situations where he's trying to get a hit. Or maybe not ever, I dunno.

I changed the channel when I saw it was Swisher batting, because I didn't want to see his mug dancing around after the winning hit. :angry:



I felt the exact same way but I watched the Swisher at bat. It is unfortunate that he continues to find ways to beat the Sox.

On a positive note, what a tremendous pitching performance by Quintana last night. It gives me hope for his future outings.

fram40
04-13-2013, 11:24 AM
I felt the exact same way but I watched the Swisher at bat. It is unfortunate that he continues to find ways to beat the Sox.

On a positive note, what a tremendous pitching performance by Quintana last night. It gives me hope for his future outings.

If I recall correctly, Quintana had a few of these type of performances last year and the Sox lost all of them. He deserves a few more Ws.

WhiteSox5187
04-13-2013, 11:34 AM
Jackson had significant value at the deadline. On edit, I realize that Toronto got Rasmus, who is not good, for Jackson, so they didn't get much either (although Rasmus was hyped for years). Heck, we even took back a middle reliever we didn't need.
Quentin's still a good hitter.
The prospects we took back were all duds.
One of the problems the Sox had for years was that Guillen was so poor at evaluating talent, that he couldn't tell Williams which prospects were keepers and which were phony. Larusa and Duncan could evaluate their prospects. Hopefully the Sox improve on evaluating theirs and targeted prospects.

That's not the manager's job, that's the GM's job.

Chez
04-13-2013, 11:51 AM
I wasn't in the game forum last night, but with Kipnis and then Swisher (who hits better from the left side) coming up in the 9th, why not go to Veal? Is it because he pitched a lot in the Washington series? I can't think of any other reason -- Veal's job is to retire tough left handed hitters.

thomas35forever
04-13-2013, 02:09 PM
If I recall correctly, Quintana had a few of these type of performances last year and the Sox lost all of them. He deserves a few more Ws.
He did. His 2012 record does not fully tell the story of what a surprise he was last year. Last night's game was a reminder of that. Much like a great Bears defense has been wasted during the Lovie era, some quality pitching isn't benefiting from poor situational hitting for us. Poor Coop. It must frustrate him to know he can only help one area of this team act well consistently.

kittle42
04-13-2013, 04:13 PM
After 172 games I'm sticking to my guns that hiring RV was a gimmick to give jaded fans a reason to pay attention to a middling team.

Was there ever any question? Was there ever someone with as little experience hired as a manager (I am sure there was, just asking)?

JB98
04-13-2013, 04:36 PM
The idea was to move the runner to 3rd with one out so that a run could be scored on an out. It should be much easier to score a run with a bunt and fly ball or grounder up the middle than to rely on someone getting a solid hit. Should be, but apparently this team makes it seem much more difficult. Most Little Leaguers can execute a bunt better than Alexei.

I know what the idea was. I'm saying it was a stupid idea. You don't take the bat out of the hands of a former Silver Slugger winner to set up an RBI opportunity for Mr. Journeyman Backup Catcher.

Honestly, this team is good enough at making outs. They don't need any help from the manager in that department.

Mr. Jinx
04-13-2013, 04:56 PM
Was there ever any question? Was there ever someone with as little experience hired as a manager (I am sure there was, just asking)?

I don't think Mike Matheny had much, if any, managerial experience before the Cards hired him.

Tragg
04-13-2013, 04:57 PM
You can apply that to almost every trade ever involving minor league players being exchanged for MLB ones.
Quite an exaggeration. And the Sox players were almost immediate duds - their development had stunted before the Sox got them and the Sox didn't realize it.
the big problem is a mediocre farm system that just doesn't turn out enough good prospects. A team like the Braves churns out 3 or 4 for every one of ours.