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Bucky F. Dent
04-09-2013, 10:32 PM
I've been here long enough, I can start one post game thread. Not enough lumber for the Sox tonight.

BTW, any of us who think that Hawks is too much of a homer need to endure the clowns that do the Nats home broadcast.

Listening to F.P Santangelo is like having John Gruden broadcast your games. It was raining superlatives.

BigHurt3515
04-09-2013, 10:34 PM
If the bullpen doesn't implode we win, simple as that. It is nice to see a little offense though. Gives me hope for at least one of the next 2 games.

Soxman219
04-09-2013, 10:36 PM
We'll win the last 2 games.

samurai_sox
04-09-2013, 10:36 PM
Left too many men on base, and Viciedo is starting to remind me of Juan Uribe and his stupid hacks.

Lip Man 1
04-09-2013, 10:40 PM
Pitching wasn't sharp tonight. Peavy had his moments but gave up to many home runs. Bullpen allowed a few more runs otherwise the Sox could possibly have come back to win this one.

Thornton not sharp again tonight in my opinion.

1-10 with RISP....continues to be an issue.

Try again tomorrow.

Lip

Zakath
04-09-2013, 10:42 PM
Left Jake in about 3 batters too long. I know he's a competitor, but I pull him after the Werth HR.

LaRoche comes into the game hitless and leaves with 2 HR's.

We only left 6 on base (team-wise).

Hopefully Beckham isn't out too long.

guillensdisciple
04-09-2013, 10:50 PM
expectations are low, but I am happy that the White Sox are playing decent baseball to start.

Lip Man 1
04-09-2013, 10:52 PM
Five of the first seven games the Sox have played have been decided by one run. I assume that pace won't continue for much longer.

And the two highest scoring games they've had this year (seven runs), they lost both. Baseball is a funny game sometimes.

Lip

blandman
04-09-2013, 10:53 PM
Hate losing, but I do like the way the offense doesn't quit.

Alex Rios. I guess he decided to be good two year in a row!

gaelhound
04-09-2013, 11:01 PM
Dog fight with a team many pick to win it all. Play hard and i am right there with you.

Brian26
04-09-2013, 11:01 PM
I've been here long enough, I can start one post game thread. Not enough lumber for the Sox tonight.

BTW, any of us who think that Hawks is too much of a homer need to endure the clowns that do the Nats home broadcast.

Never gets old listening to Hawk emote about Denard Span though.

Lip Man 1
04-09-2013, 11:03 PM
Brian:

Since 2008 Span is now hitting over .320 against the Sox.

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Also forgot to mention another concern, not only the RISP factor but the club is making errors at a bad, bad pace. 8th error tonight in seven games. Maybe it was the cold the first week but this was a very good defensive team last season...not so much right now.

Lip

Noneck
04-09-2013, 11:05 PM
Veals pick off and DeAza's base running blunder didnt help. A team cant make these kind of mistakes against good teams.

central44
04-09-2013, 11:06 PM
Ouch.

Hopefully the offense keeps doing what it's been doing. Hurts to lose a game where you score 7 runs.

BainesHOF
04-09-2013, 11:07 PM
I see that Robin Ventura hasn't learned his Matt Thornton lesson from 2012.

If we're going to earn a playoff berth it's not going to be by much. Thornton should not pitch in any game that's still close. We had a shot at rallying in the ninth with the top of the order coming up. You do not bring in Thornton down two in the bottom of the eighth. You just don't do it. If you think bringing in Thornton is the thing to do in that situation, then we have a problem. And I think we have a problem. Thornton lost 10 games out of the bullpen last year. It's like Ventura never saw that happen.

It's time to stop the Thornton nonsense now. His pitches don't move and he doesn't change speeds. He's going to continue to get hit.

Mr. Jinx
04-09-2013, 11:14 PM
If the bullpen doesn't implode we win, simple as that. It is nice to see a little offense though. Gives me hope for at least one of the next 2 games.

Or Peavy doesn't give up 6 runs, but whatever.

TDog
04-09-2013, 11:23 PM
If the bullpen doesn't implode we win, simple as that. It is nice to see a little offense though. Gives me hope for at least one of the next 2 games.

Peavy's implosion was more to blame tonight than the bullpen's. This loss was similar to the first loss of the season when Floyd continued to give up runs after the Royals got the lead -- and similar to the second loss of the season when Jones continued giving up runs after the Mariners went ahead. The difference in tonight's could-have-won Whtie Sox loss, though, is that for the first time in 2013 tonight the Sox lost a game in which they had once led.

Anytime you lose a game 8-7, you can feel you should have won. Generally, the higher the score in a one-run loss, the more keys to the loss you can find. Viciedo striking out in the first was huge, but at least Gonzalez balked in a run. Not scoring a leadoff double, hurt. Leaving Peavy in to face the Nats order a third time felt like it would cost the game, but suggesting Peavy should have come out of the game before giving up two two-run homers would be second-guessing. Veal's pickoff attempt hurt. Everything the bullpen gave up hurt, which is where this discussion started. But the Nationals' bullpen gave up more runs. The difference was the hole Peavy dug when he couldn't do anything the third time through the order.

The Nationals are one of several National League teams that are probably at least as good as any team in the American League. But every time it looked like the Nats had put the Sox away, the Sox came back. In the end, it was just another tough loss.

Foulke You
04-10-2013, 01:17 AM
Hopefully Beckham isn't out too long.
It couldn't have happened at a worse time too. The injury is not DL worthy so the Sox will play a man short for the next two NL games where you need your bench a lot more. whitesox.com is reporting that it is a slight nerve irritation for Gordon and he is day to day. Ventura said he will definitely be out of the lineup tomorrow. The beat writers are twittering that it will likely be Conor Gillaspie at 3B and Jeff Keppinger at 2B tomorrow.

Foulke You
04-10-2013, 01:24 AM
Left Jake in about 3 batters too long. I know he's a competitor, but I pull him after the Werth HR.
I would have definitely pulled him after the Zimmerman AB. Robin has used the bullpen a lot lately and I have to think he was trying to coax another inning or two out of Jake since this is Game 1 of a 10 game trip. However, Jake was leaving a lot of pitches up and his velocity dipped to 89mph that inning. I think those first couple innings really gassed Peavy early. Also, I realize this is a bit of arm chair managing but I thought when the game was 6-2, that would have been a perfect time to turn to Hector Santiago to gobble up some innings and save the bullpen.

HomeFish
04-10-2013, 01:24 AM
I was at this game. The White Sox offense was there too. White Sox pitching didn't show up, though, simple as that.

We were just barely denied a chance to see how that crowd would react to Dunn coming to the plate as the go-ahead run.

What happened to Beckham? I went to get some Dippin Dots and I came back to see Sanchez in the lineup.

Zakath
04-10-2013, 08:10 AM
What happened to Beckham? I went to get some Dippin Dots and I came back to see Sanchez in the lineup.

Tinged a nerve in his left hand during his AB in the 2nd inning. As Foulke You said, looks like he's out at least tonight.

Carolina Kenny
04-10-2013, 09:55 AM
Tinged a nerve in his left hand during his AB in the 2nd inning. As Foulke You said, looks like he's out at least tonight.

IMHO we really don't lose much having Kepp and 2nd and Conor at third.
Conor made a nice throw on his belly yesterday. ( lay off those high fastballs please.)

amsteel
04-10-2013, 10:44 AM
In three losses the Sox are averaging 5 runs/game.
In four victories the Sox are averaging 3.5 runs/game.

And if they continue to win four out of every seven games they should win in the neighborhood of 92 games. I'll take that.

Until they get the RISP thing figured out they're gonna lose close games. Especially on the road.

The Nats are a decent pick for the NL pennant, if everything goes the Sox way they should finish second in a bad division. Just don't get swept.

shingo10
04-10-2013, 12:04 PM
The Sox are setting a tone with this club similar to what they did in 2000 where they are making comebacks late in games. This bodes well for the rest of the season. They didn't win last night or against Seattle when they were down big but its only a matter of time. We have been on the wrong side of late inning comebacks for the past few years including a lot of 9th inning meltdowns. (Most of which due to the horrible Thornton as closer experience) It would be nice to be breaking other teams hearts late in games for a change.

As many of said you can't give up 8 runs and expect to win. And if your starter gives up 6 then it doesn't usually go well. Find a way to win the series.

Tragg
04-10-2013, 02:20 PM
IMHO we really don't lose much having Kepp and 2nd and Conor at third.

Except for the 2nd base defense.

TDog
04-10-2013, 02:42 PM
... Until they get the RISP thing figured out they're gonna lose close games. Especially on the road. ...

I don't think it's a matter of "figuring out" RISP hitting. it really isn't a coach can work with hitters to figure out. And sometimes the average is exaggerated. If you need to score a leadoff double, You can score him by going 0-for-2 with smart at bats or not score him going 0-for-3.

In some cases, the Sox have been hitting the ball well with runners in scoring position, which is what you're looking for. Last night, Ramirez lined out to Span in the first. De Aza had what looked like a couple of hits taken away with good defense during the homestand.

I haven't paid attention to other teams in this regard, but the Whtie Sox seem to be striking out too much with runners in scoring position, shich is something they could work on. Viciedo, especially, is striking out far more than he should. In Tuesday night's game, the Nats seemed to be pitcing around Konerko and didn't seem to find it necessary to throw Viciedo strikes to get him out, unconcerned if there were runners in scoring position. Complain about Wise, and I don't believe he is a Plan-A everyday player, but in his first plate appaerance this season, he got a hit with a runner in scoring position.

Last year the Sox led the league in hitting with runners in scoring position for much of the year. And they were very strong defensively. There are some players who can stand improvemeht and some situations of failure that are better remembered, but overall, I don't see those two aspects of their game completely turning around for this season.

doublem23
04-10-2013, 03:00 PM
I haven't paid attention to other teams in this regard, but the Whtie Sox seem to be striking out too much with runners in scoring position, shich is something they could work on.

That's an interesting thought. So I ran the numbers, as of 4/9:

TEAM PA K %
MIN 74 19 25.7
CHW 49 12 24.5
TOR 45 11 24.4
NYY 76 18 23.7
HOU 65 15 23.1
LAA 78 18 23.1
CLE 96 21 21.9
BOS 79 17 21.5
DET 77 16 20.8
SEA 76 12 15.8
BAL 79 12 15.2
TBR 72 9 12.5
TEX 81 10 12.3
OAK 75 8 10.7
KCR 79 8 10.1

The League Average is 1 K per every 5.33K RISP PA, or an 18.7% RISP K rate.

I think it's also alarming that the Sox are already 20-30 plate appearances with RISP behind most of the league in only 8 games.