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rdivaldi
04-04-2013, 10:14 AM
Charlotte, Birmingham and Kannapolis play their first games tonight.

Zach Stewart, Nestor Molina and Myles Jaye are the projected starters.

DirtySox
04-04-2013, 07:02 PM
Pretty excited for minor league ball. Hopefully we have some players break through a la Carlos Sanchez last year. Looking forward to following Johnson, Beck, Snodgress, Trayce, Walker, and of course Hawkins. Also per usual, I'm very much anticipating the draft.

SoxSpeed22
04-04-2013, 09:01 PM
I'm hoping Molina steps up this year, but now there are plenty of guys worth watching for the first time in a while.

DSpivack
04-04-2013, 09:09 PM
Charlotte and Birmingham are also both opening new ballparks this season, IIRC.

The Charlotte Knights will now play in North Carolina!

rdivaldi
04-04-2013, 10:44 PM
Charlotte rained out.

Birmingham wins 5- 2, Tyler Saladino with the grand slam.

Kanny wins 9-2, Kale Kiser 4 for 5 with 4 rbis.

rdivaldi
04-04-2013, 10:45 PM
I'm hoping Molina steps up this year, but now there are plenty of guys worth watching for the first time in a while.

Mixed results in his first start. Gives up 6 hits and 2 runs in 4 2/3, but also strikes out 6 and only walks 1.

rdivaldi
04-05-2013, 09:05 AM
May as well continue from last year.

April 5 Projected Starters (2012 stats)

Charlotte - Zach Stewart (3- 5, 3.94)
Birmingham - Spencer Arroyo (11- 7, 4.46)
Winston-Salem - Bryan Blough (4- 6, 4.16)
Kannapolis - Euclides Leyer (2- 5, 4.98)

vinny
04-05-2013, 01:49 PM
Sox picked up utility IF Tyler Greene (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greenty02.shtml) and SP Jason Berken (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/berkeja01.shtml) from the scrap pile and sent them to Charlotte. Stefan Gartrell, a 2006 late round pick, was released.

The White Sox transactions page is also reporting they signed LF Luis Durango (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/duranlu01.shtml) but I haven't seen anything else about it. He spent last year in AAA with the Braves, decent bat (.289/.352/.335) and speed (46 SB) and was sent to the Royals minor league training camp in March.

doublem23
04-05-2013, 01:51 PM
Durango is currently listed on the Knights active roster

vinny
04-05-2013, 02:05 PM
Durango is currently listed on the Knights active roster

:tiphat:

rdivaldi
04-08-2013, 09:26 PM
Knights get their first win of the year after starting out 0- 4. Guess the hitters took out their frustrations as they pounded Norfolk 21- 4. Phegley and Jim Gallagher with home runs, Zaleski with a pretty easy W.

DirtySox
04-10-2013, 06:43 PM
Hawkins back in the lineup and seems go have shaken the slow start. 2-2 with 2 HRs thus far.

DirtySox
04-13-2013, 11:13 AM
Courtney Hawkins hit his 3rd HR of the year last night. He also has struck out in 15 of 23 PAs.

EMachine10
04-14-2013, 04:54 PM
Hawkins hit another one today in a big win for the Dash.

DirtySox
04-15-2013, 07:54 PM
Courtney Hawkins with another 3 K's in 3 AB's today. Getting sort of silly. If he continues to struggle, one wonders if they send him to Kanny.

Lip Man 1
04-15-2013, 09:03 PM
Hell they'll probably call him up to the big club...he'll fit right in.

Lip

EMachine10
04-15-2013, 09:13 PM
Courtney Hawkins with another 3 K's in 3 AB's today. Getting sort of silly. If he continues to struggle, one wonders if they send him to Kanny.
Make it 0-4; 4K tonight.

SI1020
04-17-2013, 01:25 PM
Another all or nothing hitter the Sox seem so fond of.

DirtySox
04-18-2013, 08:06 PM
Another 3 K's for Hawkins this evening. :(:

On the plus side, Chris Beck was real good.

8.0 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 BB 5 SO

He was a legit top 10 pick until he got too big with the weight lifting which impacted his flexibility and mechanics. South Side Sox has a good interview on said issue.

CoopaLoop
04-18-2013, 09:41 PM
Continuing with the strikeout theme, Jared Mitchell has struck out 27 times in 53 at bats. :(:

SoxSpeed22
04-19-2013, 07:49 AM
Beck is really going to break out this year. I would not be surprised to see him move up during the season.

doublem23
04-19-2013, 08:22 AM
Another 3 K's for Hawkins this evening. :(:

Frankly at this point, I am happy that Hawkins is struggling, baseball is a sport that is about how you deal with failure, and just about everyone I know learns more through struggle than success.

I've always thought one of the biggest reasons Gordon's career has turned into a smoldering crater of dissapointment was that he was too successful in the minors and didn't learn how to deal with struggle.

No matter what kind of season Courtney had, he wasn't going to be in Chicago until 2015-2016 AT EARLIEST. Best the kid learn he's not a god in Birmingham or wherever the **** he is.

EMachine10
04-19-2013, 09:09 AM
Frankly at this point, I am happy that Hawkins is struggling, baseball is a sport that is about how you deal with failure, and just about everyone I know learns more through struggle than success.

I've always thought one of the biggest reasons Gordon's career has turned into a smoldering crater of dissapointment was that he was too successful in the minors and didn't learn how to deal with struggle.

No matter what kind of season Courtney had, he wasn't going to be in Chicago until 2015-2016 AT EARLIEST. Best the kid learn he's not a god in Birmingham or wherever the **** he is.
Winston-Salem.

EMachine10
04-19-2013, 12:56 PM
Erik Johnson came in at 8 on BA's Hot Sheet this week. Beck was "In the Team Photo."

EMachine10
04-19-2013, 03:00 PM
Jared Mitchell demoted to Birmingham, making room for Tekotte's return from injury. Morel and Molina also to DL.

Makes me wonder if Hawkins may be facing a similar fate soon.

Lip Man 1
04-19-2013, 04:09 PM
Is it Morel's back again?

Lip

doublem23
04-20-2013, 08:22 AM
Is it Morel's back again?

Lip

Cause is unknown, but it happened during an at bat on Monday

http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/4/19/4243694/jared-mitchell-demoted-to-birmingham-brent-morel-to-disabled-list

SoxSpeed22
04-22-2013, 02:31 PM
Erik Johnson with a 10K game and Keenyn Walker is in the league lead with his 9th stolen base as the Barons win their 10th game of the year.

DirtySox
04-22-2013, 07:10 PM
Erik Johnson with a 10K game and Keenyn Walker is in the league lead with his 9th stolen base as the Barons win their 10th game of the year.

Nice to see Erik Johnson thrive so far. At least it looks like the organization might have some nice pitching pieces in Johnson, Beck, and Snodgress. Position players are another story though.

DirtySox
04-23-2013, 08:01 PM
Sickels on Erik Johnson:

***Chicago White Sox pitching prospect Erik Johnson had a great start for Double-A Birmingham yesterday, fanning 10 over seven innings of work in a 3-1 victory over Huntsville. He now has a 1.07 ERA with a 25/5 K/BB in 25 innings with just 14 hits allowed. A second round pick from the University of California in 2011, Johnson does not get nearly as much attention as he deserves. He has a low-to-mid-90s fastball, along with a curve, slider, and changeup. He's throwing strikes and has a good statistical track record. Performance and stuff plus an early-round draft pedigree equals prospect. Don't ignore him.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/4/23/4257484/minor-league-ball-gameday-april-23

EMachine10
04-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Snodgress with a strong start tonight:

7 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K.

3-1; 3.38 with a .189 BAA through 4 starts.

DirtySox
04-23-2013, 10:31 PM
Snodgress with a strong start tonight:

7 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K.

3-1; 3.38 with a .189 BAA through 4 starts.

Snodgress is a bit more raw than Johnson, but from what I've gathered he has a slightly higher ceiling. Plus the whole being a lefty thing. Hope he makes some solid progress this season.

rdivaldi
04-23-2013, 11:47 PM
Snodgress is a bit more raw than Johnson, but from what I've gathered he has a slightly higher ceiling. Plus the whole being a lefty thing. Hope he makes some solid progress this season.

He's a lefty and throws harder, thus the "higher ceiling" tag. Take it for what it's worth.

doublem23
04-24-2013, 08:27 AM
What's the estimated ETAs on Johnson and Snodgress? Because I have a feeling there may be 1-2 openings in a certain South Side MLB team's starting rotation as early as July...

EMachine10
04-24-2013, 09:37 AM
What's the estimated ETAs on Johnson and Snodgress? Because I have a feeling there may be 1-2 openings in a certain South Side MLB team's starting rotation as early as July...
Sometime 2014, I believe.

EMachine10
04-24-2013, 01:56 PM
Hawkins hit his 6th homer of the year, a solo shot. He also struck out 3 times.

Beck dropped to 2-2 after a decent start.
6 IP, 5 H, 3 R (2 ER), 2 BB, 3 K

EMachine10
04-25-2013, 06:27 PM
BA write up on Hawkins: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/with-courtney-hawkins-these-days-its-all-or-nothing/

Don't have the log-in anymore.

EMachine10
04-26-2013, 09:27 PM
2 more SBs for Micah Johnson in Kanny tonight. 19 for the year, caught twice. Hitting .300 with an OBP near .400.

rdivaldi
04-26-2013, 11:25 PM
2 more SBs for Micah Johnson in Kanny tonight. 19 for the year, caught twice. Hitting .300 with an OBP near .400.

As much as I would love to trumpet Micah (being a fellow Hoosier) he's playing at least a level too low for people to get excited. I hope he gets moved up to at least W/S before the All-Star break. He was quite an intriguing talent before an injury set him back his Junior year.

Lip Man 1
04-27-2013, 10:00 AM
Saw today where Phil Rogers said Mitchell just went on the DL.

Lip

DirtySox
04-27-2013, 02:07 PM
As much as I would love to trumpet Micah (being a fellow Hoosier) he's playing at least a level too low for people to get excited. I hope he gets moved up to at least W/S before the All-Star break. He was quite an intriguing talent before an injury set him back his Junior year.

Word. He's piqued my interest, but he should be at least in High-A considering age relative to league. He also needs some work defensively. Definitely a guy worth monitoring though.

doublem23
04-28-2013, 12:06 AM
Word. He's piqued my interest, but he should be at least in High-A considering age relative to league. He also needs some work defensively. Definitely a guy worth monitoring though.

Johnson is currently blocked by DeMichele whose the starting 2B in Winston-Salem, although, Joey's not off to a hot start for the Dash.

Sox seem to have a pair of 2B who are at approximately the same place in their development.

Lip Man 1
05-02-2013, 05:57 PM
Courtney Hawkins, the Sox's first pick in the 2012 amateur draft, will undergo an MRI Friday in Winston-Salem and then be evaluated by team doctors next week in Chicago.

Hawkins left Wednesday's game after suffering a left shoulder strain while diving for a ball in the outfield.

Lip

Lip Man 1
05-02-2013, 10:17 PM
Don't know anything about this kid but he joins the ranks.

Keon Barnum, who was taken 48th overall in the 2012 First-Year Player Draft as a supplemental round selection, injured his left knee as the White Sox were ready to send the first baseman to Class A Kannapolis. Barnum had March surgery for a right hamate bone fracture and was working his way back.

Lip

doublem23
05-03-2013, 12:03 AM
Bummer for Hawkins, but probably good for him to get away for a little bit while he struggles so bad.

RKMeibalane
05-03-2013, 11:23 AM
Don't know anything about this kid but he joins the ranks.

Keon Barnum, who was taken 48th overall in the 2012 First-Year Player Draft as a supplemental round selection, injured his left knee as the White Sox were ready to send the first baseman to Class A Kannapolis. Barnum had March surgery for a right hamate bone fracture and was working his way back.

Lip

Barnum is a power-hitting first baseman who reminds many of Ryan Howard and Fred McGriff. He started rookie ball strong, but injured his shoulder and missed most of last season. If he's going to be this injury prone, it won't matter how many home runs he mashes in the minor leagues.

cards press box
05-04-2013, 01:00 AM
As much as I would love to trumpet Micah (being a fellow Hoosier) he's playing at least a level too low for people to get excited. I hope he gets moved up to at least W/S before the All-Star break. He was quite an intriguing talent before an injury set him back his Junior year.

I have a question about another Hoosier, former Indiana University star Josh Phegley. Phegley has had a good 2013 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=phegle001jos) so far, hitting .292 with a .386 OBP, and the Sox do have a need at catcher. How long before the Sox call him up?

rdivaldi
05-09-2013, 10:07 AM
I have a question about another Hoosier, former Indiana University star Josh Phegley. Phegley has had a good 2013 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=phegle001jos) so far, hitting .292 with a .386 OBP, and the Sox do have a need at catcher. How long before the Sox call him up?

I'm pretty convinced that he's going to get a shot in 2013, Flowers and Gimenez aren't doing all that much. If we continue to flounder in the cellar, I imagine it will happen sometime in the summer just to inject some new blood into the clubhouse. Otherwise he'll get a September call-up, but this is the year for Josh to get a taste of major league pitching.

DirtySox
05-09-2013, 10:18 AM
The question of Phegley's defensive acumen seems to come up quite often so I figure I'd post this here:

JJ Cooper ‏@jjcoop36 11m
Very good arm, struggles as a receiver RT @professorfog: @jjcoop36 How it Josh Phegley defensively at catcher?
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Pretty much matches every assessment I've heard & read. If Phegley keeps hitting like this though they will live with him behind the plate I'd imagine.

DSpivack
05-14-2013, 01:23 PM
Myles Jaye promoted to Winston-Salem, as well as a few other moves:

https://twitter.com/FutureSox/status/334369046231408640

DirtySox
05-15-2013, 08:44 PM
Josh Phegley, C, White Sox (Triple-A Charlotte): 2-4, 2B, HR, 2 R, 3 RBI; mistake hitter; average bat speed; solid-average power potential; fringy runner; plus arm strength; average receiver; backup catcher profile; .330/.395/.670 with 9 2B and 9 HR in 106 at-bats.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20582#

rdivaldi
05-16-2013, 10:09 AM
SAL notes: Johnson stealing the show (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130516&content_id=47617404&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Through Tuesday's games, Johnson led the Minor Leagues with 35 stolen bases, seven more than second-place Rico Noel of San Antonio.

EMachine10
05-16-2013, 11:28 AM
SAL notes: Johnson stealing the show (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130516&content_id=47617404&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)
He should be seeing the Winston-Salem lineup soon.

rdivaldi
05-16-2013, 12:51 PM
He should be seeing the Winston-Salem lineup soon.

Agreed. DeMichele has been really struggling in WS.

rdivaldi
05-17-2013, 09:13 AM
Phegley more than a signal caller (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130516&content_id=47744444&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

White Sox backstop slugs his 10th homer in Charlotte victory

DrCrawdad
05-17-2013, 09:38 AM
Phegley more than a signal caller (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130516&content_id=47744444&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

I don't listen to THE SCORE or Hawk for Sox prospect info but I was home yesterday from work and heard Bernstein take a swipe at Hawk regarding a comment Hawk made about Phelgley. Bernstein mocked Phelgley as a prospect. I hope Phelgley ends up doing very well.

rdivaldi
05-17-2013, 09:44 AM
I don't listen to THE SCORE or Hawk for Sox prospect info.

Two excellent choices...

Golden Sox
05-17-2013, 09:55 AM
One of the reasons I don't listen to Bernstein is because of his overwhelming degree of negativity towards most things, especially the White Sox. Hawk said on one of his telecasts that Boers and Bernstein have become the new Jay Mariotti and I would have to agree with that assessment. A few years ago I was listening to Bernstein and he was dumping all over the White Sox. One of his comments was completely false. If you're going dump all over the White Sox, at least be accurate with your comments. I called him up and pointed out that his comments were false. When he realized I was right and he was completely wrong, he simply hung up on me. Both of those guys have been on the Score a number of years, so I'm assuming their ratings must be high. If it was up to me both of those guys would be looking for a new job.

Domeshot17
05-17-2013, 02:08 PM
I don't listen to THE SCORE or Hawk for Sox prospect info but I was home yesterday from work and heard Bernstein take a swipe at Hawk regarding a comment Hawk made about Phelgley. Bernstein mocked Phelgley as a prospect. I hope Phelgley ends up doing very well.

To be fair, you have to explain the entire context of that segment.

Hawk has notoriously taken the stance that scouting means everything and numbers mean nothing. He has been very all or nothing.

However, despite the fact that no scouting report has Phegley as any kind of real prospect, and most indicate he is a career back up at best (nor is he a top 10 spec, or a top 100/300 prospect etc). His numbers have been very good for a small sample size.

So what B & B were ripping on was not Phegley, but the idea that here, numbers were being used BY HAWK to discount SCOUTING, which kind of makes Hawk a hypocrite in this case....

cards press box
05-18-2013, 05:06 PM
Bernstein mocked Phelgley as a prospect. I hope Phelgley ends up doing very well.

Bernstein is wrong about this, I believe. In addition to Hawk's comments on the Score, Tim McCarver discussed Phegley during the Sox-Angels broadcast today, noting that he is tearing up AAA.

Phegley had to overcome some health issues, has done so and is starting to come into his own as a ballplayer. I think we will see him in Chicago soon.

TomBradley72
05-20-2013, 11:55 AM
Bernstein is wrong about this, I believe. In addition to Hawk's comments on the Score, Tim McCarver discussed Phegley during the Sox-Angels broadcast today, noting that he is tearing up AAA.

Phegley had to overcome some health issues, has done so and is starting to come into his own as a ballplayer. I think we will see him in Chicago soon.

I heard someone on the WSCR (not sure who- but it was a pro not a a random caller)- saying Phegley was one of the top players in AAA right now.

In the International League- He's #4 in HRs (1 behind leader), #11 in RBIs, #4 OPS

sox1970
05-20-2013, 01:04 PM
I heard someone on the WSCR (not sure who- but it was a pro not a a random caller)- saying Phegley was one of the top players in AAA right now.

In the International League- He's #4 in HRs (1 behind leader), #11 in RBIs, #4 OPS

You heard Buddy Bell on White Sox Weekly.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/audio/986-670-the-score-interviews/?utm_medium=dl&utm_campaign=670-the-score-interviews#986

DrCrawdad
05-20-2013, 04:04 PM
You heard Buddy Bell on White Sox Weekly.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/audio/986-670-the-score-interviews/?utm_medium=dl&utm_campaign=670-the-score-interviews#986

I heard someone on the WSCR (not sure who- but it was a pro not a a random caller)- saying Phegley was one of the top players in AAA right now.

In the International League- He's #4 in HRs (1 behind leader), #11 in RBIs, #4 OPS

To be fair, you have to explain the entire context of that segment.

Hawk has notoriously taken the stance that scouting means everything and numbers mean nothing. He has been very all or nothing.

However, despite the fact that no scouting report has Phegley as any kind of real prospect, and most indicate he is a career back up at best (nor is he a top 10 spec, or a top 100/300 prospect etc). His numbers have been very good for a small sample size.

So what B & B were ripping on was not Phegley, but the idea that here, numbers were being used BY HAWK to discount SCOUTING, which kind of makes Hawk a hypocrite in this case....

Well that's not what I remember of Bernstein's comments. The conversation I heard Bernstein bashed Phegley, made some snarky comment(s) about how Phegley was not a prospect. Bernstein bashed Phegley as a way to bash Hawk. That's the way I took it.

As I said, I don't put much weight into Hawk's comment on prospects. But Bernstein's smug, condescending attitude and he's dismissive comments are tiresome to me. I'll take Hawk over Bernstein. Hawk to me is like Harry Caray, a fun, goofy clownish character. Bernstein is just a ...

rdivaldi
05-20-2013, 04:52 PM
Well that's not what I remember of Bernstein's comments. The conversation I heard Bernstein bashed Phegley, made some snarky comment(s) about how Phegley was not a prospect. Bernstein bashed Phegley as a way to bash Hawk. That's the way I took it.

Regardless, I wouldn't get worked up over anything Dan & Terry say. They've found a niche in the sports radio scene, taking the dumbest callers possible and then extrapolating that to an entire sports community. It gets them ratings and business-wise it's done them well.

With regards to Phegley, while he's not one of the top prospects in baseball, to dismiss him as organizational filler is silly and uninformed. He will get a shot in the majors (which is an accomplishment in itself) and may even stick with the big club. He's a good kid, a hard worker and went through some serious adversity early in his career.

TomBradley72
05-20-2013, 05:19 PM
Regardless, I wouldn't get worked up over anything Dan & Terry say. They've found a niche in the sports radio scene, taking the dumbest callers possible and then extrapolating that to an entire sports community. It gets them ratings and business-wise it's done them well.

With regards to Phegley, while he's not one of the top prospects in baseball, to dismiss him as organizational filler is silly and uninformed. He will get a shot in the majors (which is an accomplishment in itself) and may even stick with the big club. He's a good kid, a hard worker and went through some serious adversity early in his career.

He's 25- a little old for a AAA prospect- but those stats on offense sure look like a guy who has had a break through.

As far as Bernstein goes- he's a tool. He's one of those annoying new parents who thinks everything their young child does is fascinating- and he bores his listeners with that b.s., he goes out of his way to berate his callers- he lost me forever a few years ago- when he (I kid you not) did a whole segment on "What are your most annoying errors when it comes to grammar?" (i.e. your vs. you're, etc.)- lasted at least 20 minutes.

DSpivack
05-20-2013, 06:42 PM
Gordon Beckham is playing SS tonight in Charlotte. Interesting...

TomBradley72
05-21-2013, 07:44 AM
Gordon Beckham is playing SS tonight in Charlotte. Interesting...

Increase his trade value?

Considering moving TCM?

Wake up call for TCM- I heard they were frustrated with him?

No meaning at all?

asindc
05-21-2013, 08:20 AM
Quick Q: who is our backup SS?

doublem23
05-21-2013, 08:27 AM
Quick Q: who is our backup SS?

Greene until Sanchez is back, I would guess, right?

EMachine10
05-21-2013, 08:28 AM
Quick Q: who is our backup SS?
I think Angel Sanchez when he was healthy.

Harry Chappas
05-21-2013, 11:19 AM
I caught about 1 minute of the Phegley chat on Boers and Bernstein and I thought I had heard Bernstein talk highly of him. Maybe I missed something and he was being facetious.

I could probably count on one hand how many people have professed to being a fan of theirs and yet they regularly destroy ESPN in the ratings. I'm reminded of this exchange regarding Howard Stern in the movie Private Parts:

Researcher: "The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes."

Pig Vomit: "How can that be?"

Researcher: "Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next."

Pig Vomit: "Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?"

Researcher: "Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day."

Pig Vomit: "But... if they hate him, why do they listen?"

Researcher: "Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."

In other words, LOL at all the B&B haters that seem to know an awful lot about a show they don't listen to. :rolleyes:

rdivaldi
05-21-2013, 11:35 AM
In other words, LOL at all the B&B haters that seem to know an awful lot about a show they don't listen to. :rolleyes:

Which is exactly why they will continue to stick with their current format. When you're pulling down big ratings, there's really not much reason to switch.

Hitmen77
05-22-2013, 01:49 PM
He's 25- a little old for a AAA prospect- but those stats on offense sure look like a guy who has had a break through.


Wasn't Phegley the guy who was sidelined for a while with a serious illness - I want to say a blood disease. Assuming he's fully recovered, that may explain why he's still in the minors at age 25.

I don't know if that's the case or not, but I do remember reading about him being ill a couple of years ago.

EMachine10
05-22-2013, 03:03 PM
Wasn't Phegley the guy who was sidelined for a while with a serious illness - I want to say a blood disease. Assuming he's fully recovered, that may explain why he's still in the minors at age 25.

I don't know if that's the case or not, but I do remember reading about him being ill a couple of years ago.
Yes, this is correct.

rdivaldi
05-22-2013, 03:12 PM
Wasn't Phegley the guy who was sidelined for a while with a serious illness - I want to say a blood disease. Assuming he's fully recovered, that may explain why he's still in the minors at age 25.

I don't know if that's the case or not, but I do remember reading about him being ill a couple of years ago.

Yes, he had an extremely rare blood disease that makes him vulnerable to internal bleeding. Eventually he had his spleen removed in 2010. This basically cost him the 2010 and 2011 seasons in terms of his development.

rdivaldi
05-23-2013, 01:16 PM
Another blurb today about Phegley on milb.com:

Under the Radar
It's probably safe to say 25-year-old Josh Phegley probably did not enter the season on many fantasy owners' radars. The White Sox's 2009 first-rounder hadn't distinguished himself in parts of four Minor League seasons, and last year with Triple-A Charlotte hit just .266/.306/.373 in 102 games. But something's clicked for the Indiana University product this year. Through 33 games, he's been on fire for the Knights, hitting .333/.393/.659, already having set a career high in home runs last Thursday with his10th of the year.

With Chicago's primary catcher, Tyler Flowers, hitting .195 in the bigs, it's possible the team's No. 15 prospect will get an extended look. And with just six qualified catchers in the American League boasting an OPS of .700 or better, AL-only owners could find themselves getting a useful jolt of offense at the position from the apparently late-blooming Phegley.

blandman
05-24-2013, 09:44 AM
KLaw's thoughts on Jared Mitchel, from his last chat:



Question

Is Jared Mitchell a lost cause as a prospect (speaking of LSU)? Hitting sub .230 for his career, with a recent demotion. Time to call it quits?

Klaw (1:30 PM)

I think he's a release candidate after the season.

DrCrawdad
05-24-2013, 10:57 AM
klaw's thoughts on jared mitchel, from his last chat:



question

is jared mitchell a lost cause as a prospect (speaking of lsu)? Hitting sub .230 for his career, with a recent demotion. Time to call it quits?

klaw (1:30 pm)

i think he's a release candidate after the season.

ouch!

blandman
05-24-2013, 12:42 PM
ouch!

Hurts a lot more when you realize if they wanted a high ceiling toolsy outfielder type, Mike Trout was still on the board. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Major_League_Baseball_Draft

A few of us were really confused on the Mitchell pick, as he wasn't as polished as Trout and didn't need to completely start over learning how to hit. This team's draft ability is a joke.

rdivaldi
05-24-2013, 11:06 PM
A few of us were really confused on the Mitchell pick, as he wasn't as polished as Trout and didn't need to completely start over learning how to hit. This team's draft ability is a joke.

Mitchell was also coming off being named the College World Series MVP and being compared to Carl Crawford. He was the wrong pick, but he was considered a first rounder by most scouts. If can't see how anyone would be "confused" by the pick.

WhiteSox5187
05-25-2013, 12:45 AM
Mitchell was also coming off being named the College World Series MVP and being compared to Carl Crawford. He was the wrong pick, but he was considered a first rounder by most scouts. If can't see how anyone would be "confused" by the pick.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Mitchell hadn't played baseball much until his senior year of high school. He was certainly a toolsy player but was obviously very raw and would need a lot of development. Given the Sox inability to develop even relatively mature position players (though I can't remember the last time they drafted one) it would have seemed to be a poor fit. But Kenny loved drafting toolsy players who also played football.

blandman
05-25-2013, 12:37 PM
Mitchell was also coming off being named the College World Series MVP and being compared to Carl Crawford. He was the wrong pick, but he was considered a first rounder by most scouts. If can't see how anyone would be "confused" by the pick.

Well, I meant some of us in the draft thread. That draft was televised and the analysts were saying the same thing. High ceiling, but really raw and older for his level of advancement. Reworking his swing from scratch was mentioned as priority one. Guess what we didn't do?

I can't seem to find the thread in search, but I remember being really mad about the pick. I didn't think it was right, and if the wanted to go OF, Trout was the obvious choice (though I had some pitchers still on the board higher too). We picked Plegley in that supplemental round instead of Tanner Scheppers, which made me even madder. Granted, he only ended up being a pen arm, but he's been dominant.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Mitchell hadn't played baseball much until his senior year of high school. He was certainly a toolsy player but was obviously very raw and would need a lot of development. Given the Sox inability to develop even relatively mature position players (though I can't remember the last time they drafted one) it would have seemed to be a poor fit. But Kenny loved drafting toolsy players who also played football.

Correct

DSpivack
05-25-2013, 01:36 PM
Angel Sanchez cleared waivers, headed to Charlotte.

https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/338361217104089088

And other minor Minor League moves:

https://twitter.com/FutureSox/status/338365693378580480

doublem23
05-25-2013, 02:22 PM
Angel Sanchez cleared waivers, headed to Charlotte.

https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/338361217104089088

Wasn't Sanchez a Rule V pick? How does that work? Did Los Angeles not want him back?

DSpivack
05-25-2013, 02:43 PM
Wasn't Sanchez a Rule V pick? How does that work? Did Los Angeles not want him back?

Good question. I assume the Angels didn't want him.

Mr. White Sox
05-25-2013, 03:01 PM
Wasn't Sanchez a Rule V pick? How does that work? Did Los Angeles not want him back?

This is correct.

White Sox sent INF Angel Sanchez outright to Triple-A Charlotte.
A Rule 5 pick, Sanchez cleared waivers and was rejected when offered back to the Angels. Sanchez no longer is required to be on the 25-man roster and will continue to provide depth in the minors.

https://twitter.com/MikeDiGiovanna/status/338349773910327296

rdivaldi
05-25-2013, 07:08 PM
I can't seem to find the thread in search, but I remember being really mad about the pick. I didn't think it was right, and if the wanted to go OF, Trout was the obvious choice (though I had some pitchers still on the board higher too). We picked Plegley in that supplemental round instead of Tanner Scheppers, which made me even madder. Granted, he only ended up being a pen arm, but he's been dominant.

Well, I'll admit even if KW wanted Trout they wouldn't have drafted him. High Schoolers with Boras as an agent were always avoided by the front office back then. Thank goodness they changed the draft rules.

rdivaldi
05-25-2013, 07:17 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Mitchell hadn't played baseball much until his senior year of high school. He was certainly a toolsy player but was obviously very raw and would need a lot of development.

He wasn't that inexperienced. He was drafted by the Twins in the 10th round out of high school after being named the Louisiana player of the year.

Lip Man 1
05-25-2013, 07:29 PM
Well, I'll admit even if KW wanted Trout they wouldn't have drafted him. High Schoolers with Boras as an agent were always avoided by the front office back then. Thank goodness they changed the draft rules.

I strongly suspect in a few weeks you'll find out that those circumstances haven't changed regarding who a player's representative is. We'll see.

Lip

rdivaldi
05-25-2013, 07:36 PM
I strongly suspect in a few weeks you'll find out that those circumstances haven't changed regarding who a player's representative is. We'll see.

Lip

Lip,

Do you have some inside info regarding this? I was pretty pleased last year with the way the draft went, seemed as though kids were being drafted on their talent level, not based on their agent or asking price.

rdivaldi
05-25-2013, 08:52 PM
Erik Johnson spins another dominant outing, ERA drops to 2.15 and K rate keeps steady at 9 per.

Birmingham 3 / Jacksonville 0 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_05_25_biraax_jaxaax_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

Frater Perdurabo
05-25-2013, 09:07 PM
Erik Johnson spins another dominant outing, ERA drops to 2.15 and K rate keeps steady at 9 per.

Birmingham 3 / Jacksonville 0 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_05_25_biraax_jaxaax_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

Not that the Sox need pitching right now, but when do you see Johnson being ready for the majors? And what kind of pitcher do you think he will be? Thanks for any insight you can share.

rdivaldi
05-25-2013, 09:23 PM
Not that the Sox need pitching right now, but when do you see Johnson being ready for the majors? And what kind of pitcher do you think he will be? Thanks for any insight you can share.

Honestly, no earlier than the middle of next year. I think we're very fortunate to have some pitching depth on the major league level so Johnson can get some more innings pitched in the minors. To date he only has about 150 innings pitched for his entire career.

I haven't read a recent scouting report on Erik, but he usually throws a fastball and a slider and tries to mix in a change-up. He's trying to develop a change-up and I'm not sure where that currently stands. His fastball sits in the low 90's and has a little movement on it. The slider is his money pitch, nice and tight.

He's not a future ace by my estimation, but has the ability to be a middle of the rotation innings eater. Right now, he just needs to stay healthy and get some experience.

DSpivack
05-25-2013, 09:30 PM
I'll ask about the future of another Johnson: Micah. 44 SBs already? Is he overage at 23 in A-ball?

rdivaldi
05-25-2013, 09:40 PM
I'll ask about the future of another Johnson: Micah. 44 SBs already? Is he overage at 23 in A-ball?

Yes, definitely playing low for his age. Micah's defense is also pretty bad, I'm not convinced that he's much of a prospect.

California Sox
05-25-2013, 09:44 PM
I watched Johnson's start on MiLB TV. He's solid 91-93 with excellent movement on the fastball away from right-hand hitters. His slider is a plus plus pitch with good downward movement. He also showed a decent curve, straight change, and because he pitches for the Sox, a cutter. He pounded the lower portion of the strike zone, rarely falling behind guys. Only a few balls were hit anything close to hard off him and Jacksonville is good. Yelich, Marisnick, and Cox are probably better than the guys playing their positions for the Marlins right now. I think if he had to make an emergency start right now, Johnson would hold his own because he's not afraid to pitch to contact. Seems like a number three or possible better because his command is improving. Also, gets it and throws it. Has a good competitive streak.

The only hitter that Birmingham has who looks like a future major leaguer is Thompson. He hit a couple of very hard outs and generally looks like he belongs. His swing is shorter than it was, but needs to tighten up a bit. Dan Black can hit, but he is the slowest player I have ever seen.

rdivaldi
05-25-2013, 10:00 PM
I watched Johnson's start on MiLB TV. He's solid 91-93 with excellent movement on the fastball away from right-hand hitters. His slider is a plus plus pitch with good downward movement. He also showed a decent curve, straight change, and because he pitches for the Sox, a cutter. He pounded the lower portion of the strike zone, rarely falling behind guys. Only a few balls were hit anything close to hard off him and Jacksonville is good. Yelich, Marisnick, and Cox are probably better than the guys playing their positions for the Marlins right now. I think if he had to make an emergency start right now, Johnson would hold his own because he's not afraid to pitch to contact. Seems like a number three or possible better because his command is improving. Also, gets it and throws it. Has a good competitive streak.

Thanks for that update, very good info.

I wish Johnson would get away from that curve, I don't think that will ever be a major league pitch for him. Just concentrate on the fastball/slider/change-up. If he gets that cutter working, he'll be good.

Lip Man 1
05-25-2013, 10:54 PM
Lip,

Do you have some inside info regarding this? I was pretty pleased last year with the way the draft went, seemed as though kids were being drafted on their talent level, not based on their agent or asking price.

Rdivaldi:

I have been told a few things but can't say they are completely accurate until we see what happens.

The new rules take out some of the issues regarding what a drafted player can demand but let's just say that JR and Boras aren't going to be exchanging Christmas cards. I'd be surprised if the Sox drafted a Boras client or someone he is being known to 'advise' high unless there are some extenuating circumstances.

Despite what you might hear from time to time the two men do not get along, Kenny doesn't get along with him and they are still calling the shots regarding the draft.

For what it's worth I've also heard the heat is starting to get turned up on Doug Laumann although that isn't fair because he takes orders just like other people. One of the issues supposedly is that he seems to be drafting only kids he has personally seen and has been taking a number of kids from the Northeast where the weather makes accurate scouting debatable. (Sometimes you can't see a guy as much as you'd like because they can't play as much...)

I have no idea if that's true or partially true or just BS, I don't claim to know the minor league sysytem...just passing it along.

Lip

rdivaldi
05-26-2013, 04:51 PM
The new rules take out some of the issues regarding what a drafted player can demand but let's just say that JR and Boras aren't going to be exchanging Christmas cards. I'd be surprised if the Sox drafted a Boras client or someone he is being known to 'advise' high unless there are some extenuating circumstances.

Despite what you might hear from time to time the two men do not get along, Kenny doesn't get along with him and they are still calling the shots regarding the draft.

Yeah, I think that's a given. I imagine that the two parties will continue to have an icy relationship until the day that JR passes away.

For what it's worth I've also heard the heat is starting to get turned up on Doug Laumann although that isn't fair because he takes orders just like other people. One of the issues supposedly is that he seems to be drafting only kids he has personally seen and has been taking a number of kids from the Northeast where the weather makes accurate scouting debatable. (Sometimes you can't see a guy as much as you'd like because they can't play as much...)

I've definitely heard grumblings about too many Midwest and Northeast kids taken over the past couple of years. However, they did make an about face last year as they did not draft a kid from either of those two regions until the 6th round. We'll see how this year's draft goes, but I'm cautiously optimistic that the rule changes will continue to level the playing field.

DrCrawdad
05-27-2013, 11:29 AM
... Charlie Leesman is back with the Sox AAA Knights. (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_05_26_chraaa_rocaaa_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

According to Wikipedia:

Leesman was designated for assignment by the White Sox in April 2013,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Leesman#cite_note-2) and claimed off waivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waivers_%28baseball%29) by the Rangers. The Rangers outrighted Leesman to the minor leagues, but he declined the assignment, becoming a free agent.

California Sox
05-27-2013, 09:09 PM
Phegley a triple and a homer tonight. HR was a bomb halfway up the light tower in Charlotte. Also walked, reached on an error, threw a man out at second and made a nice tag at home.

He must really not be able to call a game. Consider: Flowers out with back spasms, the 25th man on the roster is Casper "designated for assignment" Wells and Phegley doesn't even get called to Chicago to stand by just in case. Also, John Danks had two starts in Charlotte. Anderson caught them both.

Speaking of Danks, JorDanks looking pretty good at the plate. Not so weak-swinging as he was a couple years ago. Actually going after the ball with some authority.

Frater Perdurabo
05-27-2013, 09:34 PM
He must really not be able to call a game.

Are you being facetious, or is this part of the rap on Phegley?

California Sox
05-27-2013, 09:42 PM
Are you being facetious, or is this part of the rap on Phegley?

The rap has always been catching the ball. He does have 4 passed balls this year. But Flowers and Gimenez have more than that. Defensively he is supposed to be challenged although you really hear conflicting stuff on that. He has a strong arm and won a AAA Gold Glove last year. I gathered he doesn't call a good game/pitchers don't like to throw to him based on what the major league staff has said in defense of Flowers.

California Sox
05-27-2013, 09:43 PM
Oh, after his homer tonight, the Charlotte announcers were saying he has done everything possible to earn a call up. So they seem to think his defense is fine.

Frater Perdurabo
05-27-2013, 09:52 PM
I guess I could see an argument being made that Flowers has worked with the pitchers since last year as the backup, and as the presumed starting catcher since Spring Training this year. And there certainly is value in that. But I wonder how bad he has to be before they make a change.

soxfanreggie
05-27-2013, 10:01 PM
I guess I could see an argument being made that Flowers has worked with the pitchers since last year as the backup, and as the presumed starting catcher since Spring Training this year. And there certainly is value in that. But I wonder how bad he has to be before they make a change.

After tonight, you will probably start to hear a lot more about this.

DirtySox
05-27-2013, 10:02 PM
Oh, after his homer tonight, the Charlotte announcers were saying he has done everything possible to earn a call up. So they seem to think his defense is fine.

He will be called up eventually. I see no reason to rush him really. Might as well see if this hitting continues. He could be a nice surprise, but he's not a guy that will save the White Sox this season.

California Sox
05-27-2013, 11:22 PM
He will be called up eventually. I see no reason to rush him really. Might as well see if this hitting continues. He could be a nice surprise, but he's not a guy that will save the White Sox this season.

Well, it is interesting. Phegley was a monster in college but has never hit like this as a pro. So is this a hot streak? Or has the light turned on? I suppose we will see at the AAA level. But if this is for real then you want to bring him up and get like 200 at bats just so you don't go into the offseason not knowing.

rdivaldi
05-28-2013, 09:31 AM
Snodgress takes no-hitter into 7th inning.

No. 6 White Sox prospect fans seven, earns sixth win of year (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130527&content_id=48763098&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Lip Man 1
05-28-2013, 10:21 AM
Thompson and Walker apparently three more strike outs each last night.

Lip

rdivaldi
05-28-2013, 10:50 AM
Thompson and Walker apparently three more strike outs each last night.

Lip

Thompson, yes; Walker, no. You might be thinking of Jared Mitchell who struck out three times last night.

rdivaldi
05-28-2013, 09:59 PM
Somebody spiked the Gatorade with HGH for White Sox minor league hitters on May 28th.

Charlotte pounds Toledo 12- 3 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_05_28_tolaaa_chraaa_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

W/S destroys Frederick 17- 5 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_05_28_frdafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

Kanny massacres Lexington 13- 1 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_05_28_kanafx_lexafx_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

California Sox
05-28-2013, 11:19 PM
I watched some Charlotte and some Birmingham. Jordanks looks really good at the plate. Could see regular playing time if Sox fall out of it. Phegley continues to hit the ball HARD. And he rarely strikes out, which would be a welcome change near the bottom of the order. Morel swinging it good lately too. My dream, of course, is to never see Keppinger again ever, so I am biased.

Molina might have hurt himself again. Shocker. Semien looks good, just doesn't have a carrying tool. Thompson only position guy there I believe in. Their bullpen is very very good.

To me, the headline of the whole night, though, is Kyle Hansen. Guy is 6'8" with a good arm. If the Sox can fix his mechanics, he is a 6th round steal. Two consecutive great starts now. Last 12 innings 0 runs, 6 hits, 0 bb, 13k.

Lip Man 1
05-28-2013, 11:41 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-birmingham-ballpark-chicago-white-sox-20130528,0,501925.story

Lip

DSpivack
05-29-2013, 12:41 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-birmingham-ballpark-chicago-white-sox-20130528,0,501925.story

Lip

I kick myself for not getting out there (or to any of the minor league teams in NC/SC) when I lived in Atlanta, and especially not to the annual Rickwood Classic. Glad to see their new park doing well thus far.

rdivaldi
05-29-2013, 10:11 AM
Another article on minor league steals leader Micah Johnson:

Steals leader Johnson homers again (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130528&content_id=48898498&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Lip Man 1
05-29-2013, 11:25 AM
Gonzo confirms in a story this morning that Molina was pulled after three innings last night because of yet another injury.

I thought the big league club had it bad with guys getting hurt...that's nothing compared to what's going on down there.

Lip

shingo10
05-29-2013, 12:07 PM
Another article on minor league steals leader Micah Johnson:

Steals leader Johnson homers again (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130528&content_id=48898498&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)


I really wish this kid would get called up so I could watch him play. Sounds like one of the most exciting players we've had in a long time.

I realize he could be another Jerry Owens, Danny Richar, or host of others but man could he really play any worse than De Aza? Give us some excitement White Sox.

rdivaldi
05-29-2013, 01:21 PM
I really wish this kid would get called up so I could watch him play. Sounds like one of the most exciting players we've had in a long time.

I realize he could be another Jerry Owens, Danny Richar, or host of others but man could he really play any worse than De Aza? Give us some excitement White Sox.

Johnson is a second baseman, and a pretty poor one at that. De Aza is also light years beyond Micah in terms of hitting. Micah will need to prove himself for at least another year and a half before anyone takes him seriously.

DSpivack
05-29-2013, 01:26 PM
Johnson is a second baseman, and a pretty poor one at that. De Aza is also light years beyond Micah in terms of hitting. Micah will need to prove himself for at least another year and a half before anyone takes him seriously.
Will he get moved up soon, at least to Winston-Salem?

Lip Man 1
05-29-2013, 01:33 PM
I really wish this kid would get called up so I could watch him play. Sounds like one of the most exciting players we've had in a long time.

I realize he could be another Jerry Owens, Danny Richar, or host of others but man could he really play any worse than De Aza? Give us some excitement White Sox.

Where's John Cangelosi when you need em! :D:

Lip

shingo10
05-29-2013, 02:14 PM
Where's John Cangelosi when you need em! :D:

Lip


Too young to know who that is but from a quick scan looks like he was a pleasant surprise for the Sox...at least in Spring Training. Maybe Micah will pan out in the bigs. Gotta hope so anyway.

rdivaldi
05-29-2013, 02:16 PM
Will he get moved up soon, at least to Winston-Salem?

That's a question that's been floating around for a couple of weeks, but with no definite timeframe. The organization is really pulling for DeMichele in W/S, as he was a higher draft choice. But he really scuffled with the bat in April and has been barely passable in May.

It's an interesting choice for the development staff at this point. You have two guys approximately the same age playing at different levels. One is a third rounder, plays good defense but has struggled at the plate. The other is a ninth rounder, has hit the ball well, but struggles in the field.

Personally I would not consider a promotion at this time. DeMichele is starting to swing the bat better and Johnson's numbers are probably a bit inflated playing in low A. I don't see how you could play these kids together either. Neither is really suited to play another position in the infield and neither is an outfielder by trade.

California Sox
05-30-2013, 01:12 AM
That's a question that's been floating around for a couple of weeks, but with no definite timeframe. The organization is really pulling for DeMichele in W/S, as he was a higher draft choice. But he really scuffled with the bat in April and has been barely passable in May.

It's an interesting choice for the development staff at this point. You have two guys approximately the same age playing at different levels. One is a third rounder, plays good defense but has struggled at the plate. The other is a ninth rounder, has hit the ball well, but struggles in the field.

Personally I would not consider a promotion at this time. DeMichele is starting to swing the bat better and Johnson's numbers are probably a bit inflated playing in low A. I don't see how you could play these kids together either. Neither is really suited to play another position in the infield and neither is an outfielder by trade.

I believe Micah Johnson played some outfield at Indiana. In fact, there was speculation that he'd have to go to cf because his hands are not good.

That said, I am not on the Micah Johnson bandwagon yet. Seems his tools lag behind his production. Guys like that generally fall offby Double A.

rdivaldi
05-30-2013, 10:43 AM
I believe Micah Johnson played some outfield at Indiana.

I never saw him play in the outfield, I only remember him at second and on occasion third.

Lip Man 1
05-30-2013, 11:23 AM
Too young to know who that is but from a quick scan looks like he was a pleasant surprise for the Sox...at least in Spring Training. Maybe Micah will pan out in the bigs. Gotta hope so anyway.

Shingo:

Cangelosi holds the Sox record for most stolen bases by a rookie, I think it's 45.

Lip

California Sox
05-30-2013, 03:41 PM
I never saw him play in the outfield, I only remember him at second and on occasion third.

My mistake. Played outfield in high school. Anyway, before last year's draft, people were saying he'd have to go to cf. Nothing he has done so far indicates that he will stay in the infield. Obviously, a lot less value if he has to move.

Mr. White Sox
06-01-2013, 09:16 AM
Erik Johnson threw a CG last night, allowing 3 runs on 10 hits with 6K/0BB.

He's done nothing but impress in the minors so far. ETA could be the beginning of next year at this rate, with a promotion to AAA likely by the end of the year.

Trayce Thompson quietly hitting .273/.415/.394 over his last 10 games. His K rate has slowly declined over the last couple of years, and that trend is continuing this year with a major uptick in walks. He's only 22 and in his first year of AA.

DirtySox
06-01-2013, 11:28 AM
Erik Johnson threw a CG last night, allowing 3 runs on 10 hits with 6K/0BB.


Yep. Erik Johnson has been fantastic. Easily the bright spot of the farm this year. Looks like a solid middle of the rotation type to me. Maybe has the potential to be a bit more. My inkling is he will be in the rotation next year replacing some pitching depth that will inevitably be dealt.

Yesterday: 9 IP, 10 H, 3 R, 0 BB, 6 K

For the year – 67.2 IP, 49 H, 17 ER, 15 BB, 64 K, 4 HRA, 2.26 ERA, .946 WHIP

Mr. White Sox
06-02-2013, 03:42 PM
Courtney Hawkins is back from his shoulder injury.

Through 6 innings, he is 1/4 with an RBI double...and 3Ks.

Lip Man 1
06-02-2013, 06:27 PM
So nothing's changed then...

Lip

DirtySox
06-02-2013, 07:18 PM
So nothing's changed then...

Lip

It really isn't surprising that a toolsy high school slugger with pitch recognition trouble is struggling as a 19 year old in an aggressive High-A assignment.

Lip Man 1
06-02-2013, 07:42 PM
Dirty:

That true and rather emblamatic of the entire system. Kids with no idea what they are trying to do, overmatched and apparently no one on the coaching staff is able to help them figure it out.

When (I no longer think if) the Sox blow it up and start over it's imperative that they spend whatever it takes to beg, borrow or steal the best scouts and instructors from other organizations. Pay them whatever it takes to get them. No more half assing things.

Lip

DirtySox
06-02-2013, 07:44 PM
Dirty:

That true and rather emblamatic of the entire system. Kids with no idea what they are trying to do, overmatched and apparently no one on the coaching staff is able to help them figure it out.

When (I no longer think if) the Sox blow it up and start over it's imperative that they spend whatever it takes to beg, borrow or steal the best scouts and instructors from other organizations. Pay them whatever it takes to get them. No more half assing things.

Lip

Agreed fully. Though I'm willing to be a bit more patient with Hawkins. I personally would have rather seen him in Kanny.

rdivaldi
06-04-2013, 10:13 AM
Nice little article on Trayce Thompson:

No. 2 White Sox prospect steadily improving with Birmingham (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130604&content_id=49486028&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Mr. White Sox
06-04-2013, 10:41 PM
Courtney showed up today:

2/5, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 3 R. Average up to .200

Easily the most exciting prospect in the Sox system

Lip Man 1
06-05-2013, 12:32 AM
WOO HOO...he's at the Mendoza line! (already he's better than Adam Dunn...LOL)

Lip

rdivaldi
06-05-2013, 09:57 AM
Courtney showed up today:

2/5, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 3 R. Average up to .200

Easily the most exciting prospect in the Sox system

Nice little write up on him to go along with it:

White Sox prospects homers twice in fourth game off DL (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130604&content_id=49616320&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb)

Golden Sox
06-05-2013, 10:36 AM
I'm convinced more and more that drafting players who turn out successful in the Major Leagues is rare. I just wonder if it's luck if these players actually succeed on a big league level. That being said it makes me sick when I realize the White Sox drafted Jared Mitchell instead of Mike Trout. What were these scouts thinking? Wouldn't this White Sox team be different now if we had Trout in our lineup everyday? Trout is a hustling 5 tool player who could of owned Chicago if he was playing here.

rdivaldi
06-05-2013, 10:56 AM
I'm convinced more and more that drafting players who turn out successful in the Major Leagues is rare. I just wonder if it's luck if these players actually succeed on a big league level. That being said it makes me sick when I realize the White Sox drafted Jared Mitchell instead of Mike Trout. What were these scouts thinking? Wouldn't this White Sox team be different now if we had Trout in our lineup everyday? Trout is a hustling 5 tool player who could of owned Chicago if he was playing here.

They picked the wrong guy, but so did 22 other teams. The White Sox haven't been big on picking high school players in the first round in the past, they were big on trying to sign safe, signable college players. Jared Mitchell was the Louisiana High School player of the year, had just been named MVP of the College World Series and was being compared to Carl Crawford. It's not like he was Keenyn Walker (ugh).

Domeshot17
06-05-2013, 10:58 AM
Lets be real too, Trout would not be Trout with the White Sox. The only thing we have proven in our minor leagues is we can't develop prospects well. Just appreciate Trout in the game of baseball because we passed on him :D:

rdivaldi
06-05-2013, 01:29 PM
The only thing we have proven in our minor leagues is we can't develop prospects well.

I would change that to "position players", as we've developed some good arms of recent vintage.

Domeshot17
06-05-2013, 03:06 PM
I would change that to "position players", as we've developed some good arms of recent vintage.

Before the year I would have agreed, but since then, Its been tough to say we have. Sale spent about a Minor League Rehab Assignment's worth of time in the minors, Reed yes, Jones has regressed, and jury is still out on the other kids, but none of them profile to be dominant, more 3-5 starters.

rdivaldi
06-05-2013, 10:59 PM
Three Kannapolis pitchers combine to throw seven inning no-hitter

First no-hitter since 2010 completes doubleheader sweep (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130605&content_id=49768296&fext=.jsp&vkey=recap&sid=t487)

rdivaldi
06-08-2013, 06:08 PM
Chris Beck fires a 5 hit shutout after being named to the all-star team.

Beck's gem caps amazing day (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130607&content_id=49955492&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Sidenote in game, Courtney Hawkins goes 2 for 3 with a triple and raises his BA to .210, hitting currently .308/.357/.846 in June.

Mr. White Sox
06-09-2013, 10:42 AM
Chris Beck fires a 5 hit shutout after being named to the all-star team.

Beck's gem caps amazing day (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130607&content_id=49955492&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Sidenote in game, Courtney Hawkins goes 2 for 3 with a triple and raises his BA to .210, hitting currently .308/.357/.846 in June.

After a 3/4 game with a HR (and strikeout...), Hawkins is hitting .367/.406/.967 in June!
BA up to .229, OPS at .886 in a super-aggressive high-A assignment. Keep him there all year regardless of what happens, NO NEED to rush this guy.

And it's only 7 games, but Keenyn Walker is hitting .360/.467/.400 in June with 4:1 SB:CS

cards press box
06-10-2013, 04:30 PM
After a 3/4 game with a HR (and strikeout...), Hawkins is hitting .367/.406/.967 in June!
BA up to .229, OPS at .886 in a super-aggressive high-A assignment. Keep him there all year regardless of what happens, NO NEED to rush this guy.

And it's only 7 games, but Keenyn Walker is hitting .360/.467/.400 in June with 4:1 SB:CS

The last few drafts, the SOx' top picks have been top athletes with high ceilings and very "toolsy." Those players are raw talents and take time to develop.

I am hopeful that Courtney Hawkins, Kennyn Walker, Tim Anderson and Gordon Beckham will be the White Sox core offensive players for a long time. Three of the four play up the middle and Hawkins projects to be strong throwing right fielder.

The Sox could use a catcher to have more strength up the middle and they do have Josh Phegley who is currently hitting .318 with 12 homers in 202 at bats at Charlotte. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the Sox sign a catcher in the offseason or try to pick up a catching prospect in a trade. I wonder what it would take to get Travis d'Arnaud from the Mets?

mzh
06-10-2013, 05:23 PM
The Sox could use a catcher to have more strength up the middle and they do have Josh Phegley who is currently hitting .318 with 12 homers in 202 at bats at Charlotte. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the Sox sign a catcher in the offseason or try to pick up a catching prospect in a trade. I wonder what it would take to get Travis d'Arnaud from the Mets?
Considering it took a reigning Cy Young winner for the Mets to get him in the first place, I doubt he's heading our way any time soon.

cards press box
06-11-2013, 06:43 AM
Considering it took a reigning Cy Young winner for the Mets to get him in the first place, I doubt he's heading our way any time soon.

I saw that Cy Young winner last night and he was throwing a lot of flat knuckleballs up there. I wonder if the Mets well really not sold on Dickey and decided to sell high and get two top prospects for him in d'Arnaud and Syndergaard.

rdivaldi
06-12-2013, 09:30 AM
Birmingham clinched the first half championship on Monday, will play in end of season playoffs.

Barons clinch first-half SL North title (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130610&content_id=50224114&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

GAsoxfan
06-13-2013, 08:23 AM
I have a question for anyone that has watched Simon Castro this year: why is he so inconsistent? He'll have two or three great outings, followed by a couple atrocious games. Is it mechanics, control issues?

rdivaldi
06-13-2013, 09:20 AM
I have a question for anyone that has watched Simon Castro this year: why is he so inconsistent? He'll have two or three great outings, followed by a couple atrocious games. Is it mechanics, control issues?

I really haven't seen Castro this year, but it's almost always been due to control issues. He's destined for the bullpen.

WhiteSox5187
06-13-2013, 12:54 PM
The last few drafts, the SOx' top picks have been top athletes with high ceilings and very "toolsy." Those players are raw talents and take time to develop.

I am hopeful that Courtney Hawkins, Kennyn Walker, Tim Anderson and Gordon Beckham will be the White Sox core offensive players for a long time. Three of the four play up the middle and Hawkins projects to be strong throwing right fielder.

The Sox could use a catcher to have more strength up the middle and they do have Josh Phegley who is currently hitting .318 with 12 homers in 202 at bats at Charlotte. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the Sox sign a catcher in the offseason or try to pick up a catching prospect in a trade. I wonder what it would take to get Travis d'Arnaud from the Mets?

That's why I am worried about the talent we drafted, they are certainly talented but they will need a lot of development and we SUCK at developing players.

rdivaldi
06-17-2013, 09:13 AM
Trayce Thompson launches 2 HRs in B'ham comeback victory.

Thompson homers twice, plates five (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130617&content_id=50856738&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb)

rdivaldi
06-19-2013, 11:02 AM
Micah Johnson named Sally All-Star Game MVP:

Micah Johnsonís Speed Wins Rain-Shortened Sally League All-Star Game (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/micah-johnsons-speed-wins-rain-shortened-sally-league-all-star-game/)

rdivaldi
06-19-2013, 11:04 AM
Also:

White Sox prospect swipes two bases, scores for North squad (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130619&content_id=51075100&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Hitmen77
06-20-2013, 10:06 AM
Trayce Thompson launches 2 HRs in B'ham comeback victory.

Thompson homers twice, plates five (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130617&content_id=50856738&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb)

When is the earliest we could expect Thompson to make it to the majors?

doublem23
06-20-2013, 10:16 AM
When is the earliest we could expect Thompson to make it to the majors?

Next year, probably

rdivaldi
06-20-2013, 10:28 AM
Next year, probably

Yeah, he's still relatively young at 22. Trayce has been hitting the ball a ton since May, but I'd like to see an extended period of quality hitting and of course less strikeouts. There's no reason to bring him up in 2013, and I don't think he'll be in Charlotte this season either.

doublem23
06-20-2013, 10:30 AM
Yeah, he's still relatively young at 22. Trayce has been hitting the ball a ton since May, but I'd like to see an extended period of quality hitting and of course less strikeouts. There's no reason to bring him up in 2013, and I don't think he'll be in Charlotte this season either.

Yeah, I think 2015 is a more realistic ETA date for Thompson full-time, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Sox push him a bit in 2014 especially as a September call-up, fill in for an injury, or if Rios isn't dealth this year, but is next.

rdivaldi
06-20-2013, 11:03 AM
Yeah, I think 2015 is a more realistic ETA date for Thompson full-time, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Sox push him a bit in 2014 especially as a September call-up, fill in for an injury, or if Rios isn't dealth this year, but is next.

I see him in Charlotte in 2014, and probably up in September or earlier as an emergency call-up in the event of injury.

rdivaldi
06-21-2013, 10:11 AM
Great Falls and Bristol opened play last night (both losing)

Lineups:

Great Falls
SP - Jose Bautista
C - Zach Fisher (27th rd, 2012)
1B - Abe Ruiz (16th rd, 2012)
2B - Justin Jirschele
SS - Jairo Kelly
3B - Nicholas Basto (5th rd, 2012)
RF - Arby Fields
CF - Jacob May (3rd rd, 2013)
LF - Corey Thompson (31st rd, 2012)
DH - Tyler Williams (43rd rd, 2009)

Bristol
SP - Robinson Leyer
C - Zach Stoner (12th rd, 2012)
1B - Patrick Palmeiro
2B - Jake Brown (30th rd, 2012)
SS - Victor Velasquez
3B - Trey Michalczewski (7th rd, 2013)
RF - Carl Thomore
CF - Thurman Hall (37th rd, 2012)
LF - Antonio Rodriguez
DH - Nolan Earley (22rd, 2013)

doublem23
06-21-2013, 11:24 AM
Great Falls and Bristol opened play last night (both losing)

Lineups:

Great Falls
...
DH - Tyler Williams (43rd rd, 2009)


Oof

rdivaldi
06-21-2013, 11:32 AM
Oof

Yes, definitely organizational filler...

DSpivack
06-21-2013, 12:03 PM
I saw that Tim Anderson started at SS last night for Kannapolis.

rdivaldi
06-21-2013, 12:10 PM
I saw that Tim Anderson started at SS last night for Kannapolis.

Yep, and Keon Barnum is back again. It's been nothing but bad luck for Keon since he came into the system, I really hope he can stay healthy this time around.

PalehosePlanet
06-21-2013, 12:42 PM
I have a question for anyone that has watched Simon Castro this year: why is he so inconsistent? He'll have two or three great outings, followed by a couple atrocious games. Is it mechanics, control issues?

I really haven't seen Castro this year, but it's almost always been due to control issues. He's destined for the bullpen.

It's a shame too because this guy's stuff is out of this world filthy. When you watch him you wonder how does this guy struggle so much?

We keep pushing him as a starter, but you're right rdiv, he's destined for the bullpen. On the bright side, fwiw, his stuff profiles as a top notch closer.

rdivaldi
06-21-2013, 02:13 PM
We keep pushing him as a starter, but you're right rdiv, he's destined for the bullpen. On the bright side, fwiw, his stuff profiles as a top notch closer.

Indeed, I hope the relief role settles in with him.

SoxSpeed22
06-21-2013, 09:29 PM
Anderson 2-5 in his Kanny debut, Keon Barnum also chips in a double.

rdivaldi
06-21-2013, 09:43 PM
Anderson 2-5 in his Kanny debut, Keon Barnum also chips in a double.

Actually that was his second game, he was 0- 4 in his debut with an error. He committed 2 more errors tonight, hopefully that's just jitters.

DSpivack
06-22-2013, 12:52 PM
Erik Johnson was promoted from Birmingham to Charlotte.

rdivaldi
06-24-2013, 10:39 AM
Erik Johnson was promoted from Birmingham to Charlotte.

Made his first start last night, was effectively wild.

6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 6 K

DSpivack
06-24-2013, 11:57 AM
Made his first start last night, was effectively wild.

6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 6 K

I thought I read somewhere that he might start in friday's DH.

rdivaldi
06-24-2013, 01:07 PM
I thought I read somewhere that he might start in friday's DH.

I haven't seen that, but I suppose that could be a possibility.

rdivaldi
06-24-2013, 01:09 PM
Andy Wilkins promoted to Charlotte, Brandon Short back to B'ham.

Wilkins Promoted to Charlotte on Monday (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130624&content_id=51630550&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t494&sid=t494)

SoxSpeed22
06-24-2013, 04:23 PM
Good for Andy. I always felt that he was underrated as a prospect, since none of his tools really stand out. He just knows how to hit well to both sides of the field. He might have a shot at the big leagues next year.
Edit: 1-4 with that 1 being a double.

Mr. White Sox
06-25-2013, 04:58 PM
Trayce Thompson went 3/6 with 3 doubles last night. OPS is now over .800 after a horrible April where he hit .187, and here's his June batting line:

.329/.380/.537/.917 (82 ABs)

rdivaldi
06-26-2013, 03:35 PM
Phegley and Rienzo named to All-Star Futures Game rosters, Hawkins in final vote contest:

All-Star Futures Game rosters revealed (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130626&content_id=51715780&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

DSpivack
06-27-2013, 03:01 PM
White Sox to sign Dominican RF prospect for $1.6 million?

https://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry/status/350341597151510529

rdivaldi
06-27-2013, 03:31 PM
White Sox to sign Dominican RF prospect for $1.6 million?

https://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry/status/350341597151510529


Wow, if so that would be over half of our international signing budget ($2.1 mil).

SoxSpeed22
06-27-2013, 03:47 PM
This kid is supposed to be one of the big fish prospect-wise. He's got some mad power and a strong arm. He will need a lot of refinement, especially in pitch selection, but this is one of, if not, the biggest international signing the White Sox have made in a real long time. Tank was under different circumstances.
http://www.southsidesox.com/minors/2013/6/27/4471538/white-sox-will-sign-top-dominican-prospect-micker-zapata-report

TheVulture
06-30-2013, 12:49 PM
Wow, if so that would be over half of our international signing budget ($2.1 mil).
How do you know the international signing budget? Is that like the slot value rules?

TheVulture
06-30-2013, 01:05 PM
Nevermind, I found your post in the Intl Signing thread:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/international-bonus-pools-for-2013-14/

Foulke You
07-02-2013, 02:56 PM
Good for Andy. I always felt that he was underrated as a prospect, since none of his tools really stand out. He just knows how to hit well to both sides of the field. He might have a shot at the big leagues next year.
Edit: 1-4 with that 1 being a double.
If the Sox find a taker for Dunn or Paulie heads to the DL, Wilkins could find his way on the team this year. I like the fact that he is an OBP guy too. He is only 24 years old and could be starting to figure things out. It's nice that we have at least one decent 1B/DH prospect who appears to be close to MLB ready.

EMachine10
07-03-2013, 04:02 PM
Micah Johnson gets his promotion to W-S.

TheVulture
07-03-2013, 04:14 PM
Micah Johnson gets his promotion to W-S.

Holy crap, those are some good looking numbers at Kannapolis!

EMachine10
07-03-2013, 04:42 PM
Holy crap, those are some good looking numbers at Kannapolis!
Lots of errors, and against some younger competition. This will be a more appropriate examination.

Also, Jacob May and Nick Basto to Kanny from Great Falls.

doublem23
07-03-2013, 05:25 PM
Also, Jacob May and Nick Basto to Kanny from Great Falls.

Good god that's a fast promotion for May.

EMachine10
07-03-2013, 05:53 PM
Good god that's a fast promotion for May.
He was more than holding his own out there. He should be on good ground for a college draftee in low A. I like the move.

EMachine10
07-03-2013, 08:02 PM
Johnson pulled after 3 IP tonight. Not sure why yet...may be a groin strain

Mr. White Sox
07-04-2013, 08:55 AM
Johnson pulled after 3 IP tonight. Not sure why yet...may be a groin strain

Yup.

The Sox also suffered a setback at Triple-A Charlotte when Erik Johnson, their top pitching prospect, was pulled after three innings after suffering a right groin strain.

EMachine10
07-11-2013, 12:20 PM
Nice article on Daniel Webb

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/daniel-webb-potential-closer/

SoxSpeed22
07-14-2013, 02:15 PM
1-2-3 inning and 1K for Andre Reinzo at the Futures game. He is the only White Sox representative, since Josh Phegley got called up.

rdivaldi
07-14-2013, 04:10 PM
1-2-3 inning and 1K for Andre Reinzo at the Futures game. He is the only White Sox representative, since Josh Phegley got called up.

Rienzo has been outstanding during the months of June & July. He's probably going to see the majors this year.

Tragg
07-14-2013, 06:04 PM
These guys have Reinzo at #15;

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2013/07/top-white-sox-prospects-2013-mid-season-full-list/

If Webb is for real, see if we can get an elite prospect for Reed.

Harry Chappas
07-16-2013, 10:41 AM
These guys have Reinzo at #15;

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2013/07/top-white-sox-prospects-2013-mid-season-full-list/

If Webb is for real, see if we can get an elite prospect for Reed.

I agree. A closer on a rebuilding/bad team is pretty worthless. I'd flip Reed if someone was willing to giving up a high-level prospect or two.

SoxSpeed22
07-17-2013, 04:43 PM
Marcus Semien featured on the fringe-five. I forgot he was only 22.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fringe-five-baseballs-most-compelling-fringe-prospects-12/

CoopaLoop
07-17-2013, 10:28 PM
These guys have Reinzo at #15;

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2013/07/top-white-sox-prospects-2013-mid-season-full-list/

If Webb is for real, see if we can get an elite prospect for Reed.

Lol Anderson is already the 2nd best prospect. What a ****ing joke of a system.

rdivaldi
07-17-2013, 10:33 PM
Jefferson Olacio spins a gem in Kanny tonight. If this kid can start throwing strikes consistently, look out.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_07_17_kanafx_delafx_1&t=g_box&sid=milb

Tragg
07-17-2013, 10:40 PM
Anderson's already in Kanny? Pretty quick, isn't it?

rdivaldi
07-17-2013, 11:01 PM
Anderson's already in Kanny? Pretty quick, isn't it?

They had confidence that he would be able to hit low-A pitching from day #1. But yeah, I thought he would start in Great Falls and then possibly move up after 20 or so games if everything went well. His hitting and base running have been top notch, but man is he butchering up the infield.

blandman
07-18-2013, 04:35 PM
Keith Law updated his top prospects list updated for draft and international signings. Insider only.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9483033/byron-buxton-minnesota-twins-new-no-1-prospect-baseball-mlb

No big news, but of course no Sox on the list. Several Cubs and Twins, though.

CoopaLoop
07-19-2013, 06:58 PM
Keith Law updated his top prospects list updated for draft and international signings. Insider only.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9483033/byron-buxton-minnesota-twins-new-no-1-prospect-baseball-mlb

No big news, but of course no Sox on the list. Several Cubs and Twins, though.

Damn I knew about the big two for the Twins, but I didn't realize they had five top 50 guys.

soxfanreggie
07-20-2013, 08:09 AM
Going off that FutureSox prospect list, it wouldn't surprise me to see all three of Johnson, Thompson, and Sanchez all up on the big league roster next year, depending on FA moves and any trades this year or offseason. Webb is an option for the pen if we don't sign a veteran reliever or two and he can build on the gas he's throwing.

With PK gone and Dunn out the door after 2014, it wouldn't surprise me to see them give Barnum a shot in 2015 to play 1B/DH depending on if he can get that K rate down

SoxSpeed22
07-20-2013, 11:05 AM
I think Johnson is a good bet to get called up to the Sox if/when they trade Peavy. I would rather see Thompson continue to work in AA this year, and hopefully earn his way into AAA next year. He is having a bad stretch right now, but I think he can straighten things out.
It is anyone's guess with Sanchez, we will have to wait and see.
Stephen McCray and Kevin Vance are two guys who have been off the radar in Birmingham that could get a shot by the end of 2014 or early 2015. The reason for this is that none of McCray's numbers or pitches really stand out, but he does have very good command of all of his pitches and gets a bunch of groundouts. Vance is another guy who has gotten people out with his good mix of pitches. His curveball has turned into a nice finishing pitch. Even though they have nothing to do with our problem at position players, at least there are some guys who have a shot.

GAsoxfan
07-21-2013, 07:58 PM
Molina recorded a two-inning save tonight in Birmingham. Does anyone know if this is a permanent move to the pen or are they just trying to bring him along slowly in his recovery?

SoxSpeed22
07-22-2013, 12:04 PM
Molina recorded a two-inning save tonight in Birmingham. Does anyone know if this is a permanent move to the pen or are they just trying to bring him along slowly in his recovery?He was in the pen for most of his years with the Blue Jays system. 2011 was his first year as a starter, but he has not found the same success as a starter. Maybe his best role is in middle relief or closing. But middle relief is much more likely.

doublem23
07-22-2013, 01:11 PM
With PK gone and Dunn out the door after 2014, it wouldn't surprise me to see them give Barnum a shot in 2015 to play 1B/DH depending on if he can get that K rate down

Barnum's only going to be 22 years old in 2015, that's a pretty aggressive plan even for the notoriously aggressive White Sox. Maybe, best case scenario, Barnum is a September call up in 2015 but his ETA is more realistically 2017, maybe 2016.

SoxSpeed22
07-22-2013, 02:24 PM
I think Barnum shouldn't be here until 2017 or 2018. He lost some time thanks to injuries and is starting to improve in Kanny. He is still having trouble against left-handed pitching though. I would like to see him stay in Kanny for this year and some of (or all of) next year. The Sox will probably have to sign a guy to play first base next year.
Meanwhile, Braulio Ortiz, a big power arm, moved up to WS.
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130718&content_id=54018868&fext=.jsp&vkey=pr_t487&sid=t487

rdivaldi
07-22-2013, 10:26 PM
Meanwhile, Braulio Ortiz, a big power arm, moved up to WS.
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130718&content_id=54018868&fext=.jsp&vkey=pr_t487&sid=t487

Damn, I was hoping they'd keep him in Kanny for the season. Ortiz is filthy when on, but his control and secondary pitches need some refinement.

rdivaldi
07-22-2013, 10:30 PM
Stellar night for a couple of Barons. Semien has two bombs and 4 RBIs while Snodgress carried a no hitter into the ninth.

Boxscore (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_07_22_cngaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

Tragg
07-24-2013, 08:15 AM
Damn, I was hoping they'd keep him in Kanny for the season. Ortiz is filthy when on, but his control and secondary pitches need some refinement.

BP just mentioned him in one of their Monday "ten pack". Same evaluation you had and they seem to like him.

rdivaldi
07-24-2013, 10:15 AM
BP just mentioned him in one of their Monday "ten pack". Same evaluation you had and they seem to like him.

They should. Braulio and Jefferson Olacio have #1 starter "potential".

Domeshot17
07-24-2013, 03:49 PM
They should. Braulio and Jefferson Olacio have #1 starter "potential".

That is a pretty big stretch. Ortiz has not shown any ability to pitch deep into games. No idea yet if his stuff will hold up stretched out. He would be a coinflip to even make the top 100 prospects in the game. Olacio has some potential, but number 1 is beyond a stretch.....

rdivaldi
07-24-2013, 04:47 PM
That is a pretty big stretch. Ortiz has not shown any ability to pitch deep into games. No idea yet if his stuff will hold up stretched out. He would be a coinflip to even make the top 100 prospects in the game. Olacio has some potential, but number 1 is beyond a stretch.....

Why is it a stretch to comment on their potential? They're both extremely young and having some success. Ortiz is 21 pitching in adv-A and Olacio is 19 pitching in A ball. Both have thick frames, live arms and have shown some ability with their offspeed pitches.

GAsoxfan
07-25-2013, 07:35 AM
Stellar night for a couple of Barons. Semien has two bombs and 4 RBIs while Snodgress carried a no hitter into the ninth.

Boxscore (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_07_22_cngaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&sid=milb)

I like Semien. After last night he has a line of .280/.403/.454 and is the rare Sox prospect with more walks (74) than strikeouts (62). I think he can be at least a solid bench player for the Sox - and maybe more than that.

TaylorStSox
07-25-2013, 08:02 AM
I like Semien. After last night he has a line of .280/.403/.454 and is the rare Sox prospect with more walks (74) than strikeouts (62). I think he can be at least a solid bench player for the Sox - and maybe more than that.

4 for 5 with 2 doubles and a triple last night.

Harry Chappas
07-25-2013, 10:30 AM
4 for 5 with 2 doubles and a triple last night.

If Ramirez gets dealt, do you think Semien is a likely call-up to take over at SS or will they just shift Beckham there?

EMachine10
07-25-2013, 10:36 AM
If Ramirez gets dealt, do you think Semien is a likely call-up to take over at SS or will they just shift Beckham there?
Probably shift Beckham. I'm not sure they'd interrupt his time down there in favor of some savvy minor league vets who could stop-gap.

SoxSpeed22
07-25-2013, 10:50 AM
I think veteran infielders should be simple enough to find, should Ramirez get dealt. Keep in mind, Semien is only 22, has been in the minors for 2 years, and is playing in AA. That's already challenging enough for a young prospect, so it's better not to put him over his head.

doublem23
07-25-2013, 11:24 AM
I think veteran infielders should be simple enough to find, should Ramirez get dealt. Keep in mind, Semien is only 22, has been in the minors for 2 years, and is playing in AA. That's already challenging enough for a young prospect, so it's better not to put him over his head.

Agree big time. Alexei is currently giving us horrendous defense and a .650 OPS. You can find some vet at league minimum for that kind of production.

Domeshot17
07-25-2013, 11:50 AM
Why is it a stretch to comment on their potential? They're both extremely young and having some success. Ortiz is 21 pitching in adv-A and Olacio is 19 pitching in A ball. Both have thick frames, live arms and have shown some ability with their offspeed pitches.

Because that is not their potential? I mean, to say those 2 have front line, ace caliber potential, you might as well say that about every single player in the farm, because someone might become an ACE at some point.

PalehosePlanet
07-25-2013, 12:11 PM
Because that is not their potential? I mean, to say those 2 have front line, ace caliber potential, you might as well say that about every single player in the farm, because someone might become an ACE at some point.

How do you know what their potential is? There are many, MANY players who are not seen on top-prospect lists while they're in the 18-21 year old range.

Hell, I remember Magglio Ordonez finally pop up at #56 in BA's top 100 when he was 24 years old.

EMachine10
07-25-2013, 01:20 PM
Because that is not their potential? I mean, to say those 2 have front line, ace caliber potential, you might as well say that about every single player in the farm, because someone might become an ACE at some point.
They are 2 guys with good, live arms. They have much better projection than, say, a Kyle McCollugh - a blah, uninspiring pitcher with little to no ability to overpower a hitter. Sure, everybody has a chance to be an "ace." But, realistically, not everybody has the potential.

Domeshot17
07-25-2013, 01:46 PM
They are 2 guys with good, live arms. They have much better projection than, say, a Kyle McCollugh - a blah, uninspiring pitcher with little to no ability to overpower a hitter. Sure, everybody has a chance to be an "ace." But, realistically, not everybody has the potential.

I guess to me, to use the term "front-line potential" I need more than "damn that kid has a good arm". I want something atleast somewhat projectable. I would agree, they are 2 of the more intriguing prospects in our system, and maybe one day they could have that, but based purely on the stuff tool, it is just too soon.

The reason I say at that point you have to say everyone has the potential is, for example, as a very young prospect, who said Kyle McCollugh could not be another Mark Buehrle. Softer tosser, location specialist with movement, average at best stuff tool. But you can't project that all.

Domeshot17
07-25-2013, 01:48 PM
How do you know what their potential is? There are many, MANY players who are not seen on top-prospect lists while they're in the 18-21 year old range.

Hell, I remember Magglio Ordonez finally pop up at #56 in BA's top 100 when he was 24 years old.


Wouldn't that have been exactly what my last statement was, that if you go by this belief you can to say everyone has front-line potential.

In terms of why I believe they don't, I enjoy following the minors and scouting reports, and while I like their arms, I personally think at this point they project more as power relievers than starters. They are still being stretched out and haven't had the body of work (or the physical maturation yet) to show if the stuff tool can be sharp in the 7th, 8th, 9th etc.

PalehosePlanet
07-25-2013, 02:06 PM
Wouldn't that have been exactly what my last statement was, that if you go by this belief you can to say everyone has front-line potential.

In terms of why I believe they don't, I enjoy following the minors and scouting reports, and while I like their arms, I personally think at this point they project more as power relievers than starters. They are still being stretched out and haven't had the body of work (or the physical maturation yet) to show if the stuff tool can be sharp in the 7th, 8th, 9th etc.

Well no, not everyone, because there are guys in that age group that are struggling and regressing and basically making it obvious that they won't make it. You wouldn't say they have front of the rotation potential. The young guys we're talking about are making good progress, coupled w/their stuff, thus the thought.

And thank you for a better explanation as to why you think they won't be starters, that's a lot better than "that's not their potential."

Domeshot17
07-25-2013, 02:19 PM
Well no, not everyone, because there are guys in that age group that are struggling and regressing and basically making it obvious that they won't make it. You wouldn't say they have front of the rotation potential. The young guys we're talking about are making good progress, coupled w/their stuff, thus the thought.

And thank you for a better explanation as to why you think they won't be starters, that's a lot better than "that's not their potential."

I mean, Jefferson's stats are really not good, he isn't projectable, he doesn't even K a batter per inning or have a 2:1 K:BB ratio, I don't believe his potential is anywhere close to a number 1 SP personally. I don't entirely know what the progress is, unless getting that ERA below 5 is a major milestone...

EMachine10
07-25-2013, 03:07 PM
I guess to me, to use the term "front-line potential" I need more than "damn that kid has a good arm". I want something atleast somewhat projectable. I would agree, they are 2 of the more intriguing prospects in our system, and maybe one day they could have that, but based purely on the stuff tool, it is just too soon.

The reason I say at that point you have to say everyone has the potential is, for example, as a very young prospect, who said Kyle McCollugh could not be another Mark Buehrle. Softer tosser, location specialist with movement, average at best stuff tool. But you can't project that all.
I agree that every player has potential, but potential as what? I was interpreting you as meaning that every pitcher had potential ace ceilings. I honestly thought of the Buehrle comparison you just made, but left it out. I loved Mark as a No. 1, but I think an "ace" and No. 1 guy are two different guys. To me, anyway.

PalehosePlanet
07-25-2013, 03:55 PM
I mean, Jefferson's stats are really not good, he isn't projectable, he doesn't even K a batter per inning or have a 2:1 K:BB ratio, I don't believe his potential is anywhere close to a number 1 SP personally. I don't entirely know what the progress is, unless getting that ERA below 5 is a major milestone...

Look, I understand your point, but considering his ERA was pushing 8.5 in late May, it shows just how well he's pitched to bring it under 5. He's got 5 consecutive quality starts, so yes he's making progress. Keep in mind that often times the big kids -- he's 6'7" 260 -- take a while to figure it out mechanically. And if indeed that is what is happening w/this huge hard throwing 19 year old then his ceiling just went up.

rdivaldi
07-25-2013, 09:51 PM
Because that is not their potential? I mean, to say those 2 have front line, ace caliber potential, you might as well say that about every single player in the farm, because someone might become an ACE at some point.

You are right about it being "too soon", but again, I really like what I've seen of them in their short careers. We just disagree on their potential. I see both of these guys as having the ability to be #1, #2 starters. I of course know that it is much more likely that they will not pan out, but based on what I've seen of them both, the ability is there.

Please do not take my post as my guaranteeing that these guys will become front line starters, that was not my intent.

Domeshot17
07-26-2013, 11:41 AM
You are right about it being "too soon", but again, I really like what I've seen of them in their short careers. We just disagree on their potential. I see both of these guys as having the ability to be #1, #2 starters. I of course know that it is much more likely that they will not pan out, but based on what I've seen of them both, the ability is there.

Please do not take my post as my guaranteeing that these guys will become front line starters, that was not my intent.

I just mistook the post, mostly my fault (what else is new right haha).

I do agree with you, those guys have what you would like to see to transform. I do like them more than their stats would indicate as well.

It would just be nice to have a farm that had a real, projectable front line SP in it.

doublem23
07-26-2013, 01:00 PM
I just mistook the post, mostly my fault (what else is new right haha).

I do agree with you, those guys have what you would like to see to transform. I do like them more than their stats would indicate as well.

It would just be nice to have a farm that had a real, projectable front line SP in it.

How many teams have that, though?

I think our need for that is also diminished by the fact we already have a 24-year-old locked into a pretty team-friendly deal who already is one of the Top 5 pitchers in baseball.

rdivaldi
07-26-2013, 01:30 PM
It would just be nice to have a farm that had a real, projectable front line SP in it.

Agreed. While I like Erik Johnson, I don't see much more than a #3 starter and I see Rienzo as a back of the rotation guy or reliever. I really don't like Snodgress, Petricka is a reliever and Beck baffles me.

Tragg
07-26-2013, 09:50 PM
Brandon Jacobs enjoying new surroundings in Birmingham.

TaylorStSox
07-26-2013, 10:45 PM
Simien is just incredible right now. 4-4/1BB

TaylorStSox
07-26-2013, 10:46 PM
Agreed. While I like Erik Johnson, I don't see much more than a #3 starter and I see Rienzo as a back of the rotation guy or reliever. I really don't like Snodgress, Petricka is a reliever and Beck baffles me.

Have you actually seen Beck? Is he not striking anybody out because he can't get his fastball by anyone or is it lack of an out pitch?

JermaineDye05
07-26-2013, 11:20 PM
Simien is just incredible right now. 4-4/1BB

What's really incredible is he has more walks than strikeouts.

rdivaldi
07-26-2013, 11:49 PM
Have you actually seen Beck? Is he not striking anybody out because he can't get his fastball by anyone or is it lack of an out pitch?

Live? No. Seen plenty of video though. His secondary offerings are mediocre, so he has to live off his fastball (which is very good). But you can't live off one pitch and his control is still shaky at times (walk ratio is 3.1 per 9).

PalehosePlanet
07-27-2013, 10:50 AM
What's really incredible is he has more walks than strikeouts.

Yeah, Semien is coming on strong. A .410 OBP and a .878 OPS now. Looks like he's taken a huge step forward and has been even better at AA than at A+ (20 doubles, 5 triples, 13 HR and 17 steals.)

I know he's been jumping around from SS, to 2B and has played some 3B. Does anyone know if he's definitely settling in at 2B, or is there still a chance he could be moved to 3B ?

CoopaLoop
07-27-2013, 02:54 PM
MLB just updated their prospect lists yesterday I do believe.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/

While Semien's first full season of pro ball coming out of Cal was interrupted by some injuries, there were some very encouraging signs, particularly his second-half production: .290/.392/.514. He's been inconsistent with his offensive game overall and needs to show he can do what he did in the second half of 2012 for an entire season. He has average arm strength and speed, and while he shows he can make the plays at short, that's another part of his game that's been up and down. He did see some time at second base and his future might be as a utility man, one who can punish left-handed pitching.

rdivaldi
07-27-2013, 09:59 PM
Nice little write up about Semien after his 4- 4 performance.

Barons' Semien perfecting leadoff skills (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130727&content_id=54910042&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Also went 1- 1 tonight (4 walks) with another HR.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-28-2013, 08:05 AM
The guy to get a little excited about us Micah Johnson. He's been extremely productive in getting on base and stealing bases. We haven't had a guy like that in a long time. He handled the jump to high A with aplomb.

rdivaldi
07-28-2013, 01:24 PM
The guy to get a little excited about us Micah Johnson. He's been extremely productive in getting on base and stealing bases. We haven't had a guy like that in a long time. He handled the jump to high A with aplomb.

Are KY people allowed to be excited about guys that went to IU? :wink:

I still have issue with his defense...

Mr. White Sox
07-28-2013, 02:20 PM
Nice little write up about Semien after his 4- 4 performance.

Barons' Semien perfecting leadoff skills (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130727&content_id=54910042&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)

Also went 1- 1 tonight (4 walks) with another HR.

It's probably way too soon, but with the White Sox history of aggressiveness with minor league development/promotions, do you see Semien getting a September call-up or AAA promotion?

KyWhiSoxFan
07-28-2013, 02:38 PM
It's probably way too soon, but with the White Sox history of aggressiveness with minor league development/promotions, do you see Semien getting a September call-up or AAA promotion?

If it's possible to screw up his development by promoting him too quickly, that's what will happen. That's the MO of the organization.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-28-2013, 10:09 PM
MLB just updated their prospect lists yesterday I do believe.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/

I find it odd that Petricka is not in the top 20. Now that he is a reliever, he sure looks like he has a chance to fulfill the potentIal they saw in him when he was drafted in the second round.

rdivaldi
07-28-2013, 11:19 PM
It's probably way too soon, but with the White Sox history of aggressiveness with minor league development/promotions, do you see Semien getting a September call-up or AAA promotion?

Considering the Barons are heading to the playoffs, I do not see Semien going to AAA. A September call-up? Maybe, it will probably depend on the Barons' performance.

rdivaldi
07-28-2013, 11:21 PM
I find it odd that Petricka is not in the top 20. Now that he is a reliever, he sure looks like he has a chance to fulfill the potentIal they saw in him when he was drafted in the second round.

Most scouting services hold their noses when putting a reliever in any top 20...

doublem23
07-29-2013, 05:52 AM
Most scouting services hold their noses when putting a reliever in any top 20...

Webb is there at #18, who appears to the Sox's premier relief pitching prospect