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Tragg
03-14-2013, 10:09 AM
anyone have a sense of that? Things have been awfully quiet.
Any surprises for roster spots?
Any changes in the approaches of, say Viciedo or Beckham?
Any surprise pitchers?

SoxNation05
03-14-2013, 10:30 AM
On the pitching side of things, our team seems like its almost filled out. Axelrod has probably been our best pitcher this spring.

kittle42
03-14-2013, 11:05 AM
There is less anticipation for this year than last.

JB98
03-14-2013, 03:10 PM
anyone have a sense of that? Things have been awfully quiet.
Any surprises for roster spots?
Any changes in the approaches of, say Viciedo or Beckham?
Any surprise pitchers?

I've heard they added a leg kick to Viciedo's swing to try to help his timing.

Aside from that, I don't have anything to offer.

Falstaff
03-14-2013, 07:29 PM
I've heard they added a leg kick to Viciedo's swing to try to help his timing.

Aside from that, I don't have anything to offer.
Hi yes agreed; I was hoping to hear how Chris Sale is working on developing "knucklecurve" or other filthy off speedo junque but I guess will be forced to rely on 97mph to extent that works. Am eager for season to start and have another reason to drink beer.

Domeshot17
03-14-2013, 08:35 PM
Hi yes agreed; I was hoping to hear how Chris Sale is working on developing "knucklecurve" or other filthy off speedo junque but I guess will be forced to rely on 97mph to extent that works. Am eager for season to start and have another reason to drink beer.

The only time Chris Sale will ever throw a knuckle curve is on your playstation in edit mode. Side Arm pitchers do not throw the pitch with consistency since you have to spike it down to get that knee buckling bite. For Sale to get that to be an effective pitch, he is going to destroy his arm. His motion is most conducive to the vanishing slider he already has. He doesn't need to use another breaking pitch. Once he harnishes that change up, which is already a plus pitch, he is going to be sick.

JB98
03-14-2013, 08:47 PM
The only time Chris Sale will ever throw a knuckle curve is on your playstation in edit mode. Side Arm pitchers do not throw the pitch with consistency since you have to spike it down to get that knee buckling bite. For Sale to get that to be an effective pitch, he is going to destroy his arm. His motion is most conducive to the vanishing slider he already has. He doesn't need to use another breaking pitch. Once he harnishes that change up, which is already a plus pitch, he is going to be sick.

Agreed. Sale doesn't need any other pitches. He just needs to refine the offspeed pitches already in his arsenal.

If we're going to worry about a pitcher, we should probably worry about Danks. Obviously, he's coming off the injury and isn't where he needs to be. He got hit around by the Angels this afternoon. He's got another three weeks to find his stuff.

SoxNation05
03-14-2013, 09:37 PM
Hi yes agreed; I was hoping to hear how Chris Sale is working on developing "knucklecurve" or other filthy off speedo junque but I guess will be forced to rely on 97mph to extent that works. Am eager for season to start and have another reason to drink beer.
I have seen this "Sale knuckle-curve" a couple times over the winter. I don't know if it was you before but this is ridiculous. Stuff was never this kid's problem. You probably aren't a pitcher but from my knowledge I don't think it's possible to throw a knuckle-curve from the angle Sale pitches.

Domeshot17
03-15-2013, 03:15 PM
I have seen this "Sale knuckle-curve" a couple times over the winter. I don't know if it was you before but this is ridiculous. Stuff was never this kid's problem. You probably aren't a pitcher but from my knowledge I don't think it's possible to throw a knuckle-curve from the angle Sale pitches.

It isn't. You have to get on top of a Knuckle Curve in order to get the Snap to it. You really have to break it off. It is a very hard pitch to throw, and next to impossible physically from the arm slot Sale pitches from. If Sale tried to throw it, it would do 1 of 3 things, not break at all, bounce in, or most likely, just hang.

Chez
03-15-2013, 03:54 PM
Sorry for piling on, but arm slot aide, the knuckle-curve isn't exactly easy to master -- or others would be throwing it. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two pitchers who have mastered it: Burt Hooton and Mike Mussina. I'm sure I'm overlooking others, but it's not like every team has a pitcher with one in his pitch selection.

I'm hoping both Danks and Crain are healthy enough to open the season with the team. I'm also concerned about Keppinger's shoulder. He's really not in Beckham's league defensively at 2B. If his shoulder isn't healthy enough to allow him to play third, it's a problem.

Noneck
03-15-2013, 10:34 PM
From the time Danks had shoulder surgery to this moment, I have concerns about his future. Shoulder surgery is very tricky for a pitcher.

Falstaff
03-16-2013, 01:07 AM
Sorry for piling on, but arm slot aide, the knuckle-curve isn't exactly easy to master -- or others would be throwing it. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two pitchers who have mastered it: Burt Hooton and Mike Mussina. I'm sure I'm overlooking others, but it's not like every team has a pitcher with one in his pitch selection.

I'm hoping both Danks and Crain are healthy enough to open the season with the team. I'm also concerned about Keppinger's shoulder. He's really not in Beckham's league defensively at 2B. If his shoulder isn't healthy enough to allow him to play third, it's a problem.

OK sorry to PO everyone; have been recalling how Contreras had that devastating forkball from 3/4 arm slot. Eventually Sale will likely develop more offspeed junk tho yes the changeup is already a plus pitch. And with RA Dickey throwing the hard knuckleball I keep thinking something weird along those lines would be a good tool for the arsenal. Or even some kind of screwball like pitch with reverse break to really give hitters something to think about. Would move Sale from 4 star to 5 star stellar rating.

Domeshot17
03-16-2013, 10:20 AM
OK sorry to PO everyone; have been recalling how Contreras had that devastating forkball from 3/4 arm slot. Eventually Sale will likely develop more offspeed junk tho yes the changeup is already a plus pitch. And with RA Dickey throwing the hard knuckleball I keep thinking something weird along those lines would be a good tool for the arsenal. Or even some kind of screwball like pitch with reverse break to really give hitters something to think about. Would move Sale from 4 star to 5 star stellar rating.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it if it was possible, I just think Sale has all the tools to be 5 star. He needs to work on locaton and durability. The slider is an out pitch. Joe Mauer has said its the hardest pitch he has ever tried to hit.

SoxNation05
03-16-2013, 04:16 PM
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it if it was possible, I just think Sale has all the tools to be 5 star. He needs to work on locaton and durability. The slider is an out pitch. Joe Mauer has said its the hardest pitch he has ever tried to hit.
Comlpetely agree with you. This isn't fantasy camp. Pitchers don't regularly pick these pitches up while they're in the majors like they would a cutter or change up. If anyone can name either a handfull of pitchers who throw a screwball or knuckle-curve I would be shocked.

Knuckle-Curve- Mike Mussina and AJ Burnett. I think Dan Haren used to throw one too. Hoyt Wilhelm had an absolutely filthy one in MVP 2005.

I am definitely not saying the pitch is ineffective because it is sick when harnessed. The nastiest pitch I had ever seen in my amateur career was a knuckle-curve. That kid is now starting on the reigning NCCA Championship Arizona Wildcats and he is a freshman.

Screwball- Hector Santiago and John Smoltz. From what I understand this pitch does to your elbow what throwing hundreds of sliders does to your shoulder.

Konerko05
03-18-2013, 01:55 AM
I'm confused why we are even discussing forcing one of the most dominating starters the Sox have had in decades at the age at age 24 a brand new pitch. Isn't it obvious the guy doesn't need to learn a new pitch? Teach a new pitch to Dylan Axelrod. Let's not try to fix things that are far from being broken and potentially cause health, production, or mechanical issues.

blandman
03-18-2013, 02:27 PM
A note on number of pitches - if Sale is to ever make the jump to 250 inning super stud ace, he's going to need more than three pitches. A couple of times through a rotation without your best stuff is fine for a guy with 2-3 really good pitches. But if one's not working for you, or it's late in a game and you're tired, the more items in your repertoire, the better.

On pitches from different slots - you'd have to think if Sale ends up tearing a ligament in his elbow, step one of his rehabilitation is going to be learning an arm slot that won't end his career. So I wouldn't take learning any pitch off the table.

Foulke You
03-18-2013, 04:36 PM
Any surprises for roster spots?

Not really a surprise after the trade but I really like what I've seen from Conor Gillaspie this Spring. He is pretty much a lock to make the roster as the backup corner infielder. Every game I've seen him in he has done something positive at the plate. The swing is very short and quick and he seems to be a gap hitter. This *could* be one of those "under the radar" moves we will talk about a few months from now. Gillaspie is a quality young player who had his path to the big leagues blocked by a Giants organization that had a lot of depth at the corners. Perhaps the Sox will be his chance to show he can play at this level.

On a more fun note, Conor's first MLB HR was an inside the park variety last season. Not too many players get their first HR by hauling their butt around the basepaths at top speed.:cool: Here is a link to see Conor's inside the park dinger:
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110928&content_id=25328478&c_id=sf&vkey=news_sf

Lip Man 1
03-18-2013, 10:50 PM
So was Brian Downing's...in fact it was his first hit.

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